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NOTE FOR THE RECORD
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NORTHERN IRELAND: BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR NORTHERN IRELAND: THURSDAY 30 SEPTEMBER 1993
After NI Committee on Thursday 30 September, the Prime Minister and Sir Patrick Mayhew discussed the Joint Declaration Initative. Sir Robin Butler, Quentin Thomas (NIO) and Sir Timothy Daunt (FCO) were present.
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that the content of the Hume/Adams report to the Irish Government was not yet known to us, though it would doubtless be similar to the Joint Declaration Initiative. Although the latest Joint Declaration text (JD8) had moved in the right direction, it was still well short of what might be acceptable. As explained in the NIO's letter of 27 September, there were serious defects in paragraph 4.
In discussion, it was agreed that the consent principle had to be protected; and that many questions would need to be answered before we could judge whether the House of Commons and the majority community in Northern Ireland might accept a "Joint Declaration". If, for example, an Irish Convention was established unilaterally in the Republic, we would face questions on how we would react to advice from the Convention. There would need to be clear evidence of a cessation of IRA violence; the Unionists might also wish to know in advance how HMG would react if the ceasefire broke down. Arrangements for the handover of weapons as part of the ceasefire would have to be established. These and many other questions arising from the document would need to be discussed with the Irish Government.
It was agreed that, at the Anglo-Irish Liaison Group meeting on 1 October, Quentin Thomas would tell his Irish counterpart that we were not yet able to reply substantively to JD8, and would take an interrogative line. In these talks, and at the next meeting between Sir Robin Butler and Dermot Nally, our objective would be to persuade the Irish Government to improve its text. We would not offer written amendments of our own.
The meeting agreed on a number of adjustments to the draft replacement language for paragraph 4 attached at Annex A to the Northern Ireland Office letter. The amended text provided guidelines for the further talks with the Irish Government. We would not be able to offer any commitment to a text until there had been wider consultation with Ministerial colleagues.
It was also agreed that a general approach should be made to the Leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, Mr Jim Molyneaux, on Privy Counsellor terms.
RODERIC LYNE
5 October 1993
NOTE FOR THE RECORD
NORTHERN IRELAND: BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR NORTHERN IRELAND: THURSDAY 30 SEPTEMBER 1993
After NI Committee on Thursday 30 September, the Prime Minister and Sir Patrick Mayhew discussed the Joint Declaration Initative. Sir Robin Butler, Quentin Thomas (NIO) and Sir Timothy Daunt (FCO) were present.
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that the content of the Hume/Adams report to the Irish Government was not yet known to us, though it would doubtless be similar to the Joint Declaration Initiative. Although the latest Joint Declaration text (JD8) had moved in the right direction, it was still well short of what might be acceptable. As explained in the NIO's letter of 27 September, there were serious defects in paragraph 4.
In discussion, it was agreed that the consent principle had to be protected; and that many questions would need to be answered before we could judge whether the House of Commons and the majority community in Northern Ireland might accept a "Joint Declaration". If, for example, an Irish Convention was established unilaterally in the Republic, we would face questions on how we would react to advice from the Convention. There would need to be clear evidence of a cessation of IRA violence; the Unionists might also wish to know in advance how HMG would react if the ceasefire broke down. Arrangements for the handover of weapons as part of the ceasefire would have to be established. These and many other questions arising from the document would need to be discussed with the Irish Government.
It was agreed that, at the Anglo-Irish Liaison Group meeting on 1 October, Quentin Thomas would tell his Irish counterpart that we were not yet able to reply substantively to JD8, and would take an interrogative line. In these talks, and at the next meeting between Sir Robin Butler and Dermot Nally, our objective would be to persuade the Irish Government to improve its text. We would not offer written amendments of our own.
The meeting agreed on a number of adjustments to the draft replacement language for paragraph 4 attached at Annex A to the Northern Ireland Office letter. The amended text provided guidelines for the further talks with the Irish Government. We would not be able to offer any commitment to a text until there had been wider consultation with Ministerial colleagues.
It was also agreed that a general approach should be made to the Leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, Mr Jim Molyneaux, on Privy Counsellor terms.
RODERIC LYNE 5 October 1993
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Record of British government's thoughts on the latest draft of the Joint Declaration (JD8). It was agreed that the Irish should be encouraged to improve phrasing and mandate an IRA weapons handover in order to protect Unionists in the event of an end to the ceasefire. There was also greement that the consent principle must be protected as a prelude to any Joint Declaration. It was agreed that the British would not offer the Irish government its own written amendments to JD8, encouraging them to revise autonomously.
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