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8/12/93}
Joint Draft Declaration
Amendments and Commentary
This paper is based on a discussion between Seán O hUiginn of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Mr Dermot Nally and the undersigned. {?}
Para. 2 Irish Amendment
'Beginning now and over the coming generation, it is their aim to foster agreement and reconciliation, leading to a new political framework funded on agreement and consent'.
Comment
This amendment is vital, as it is the only indication of a target time-frame. The SDLP/SF agreement would be that there needs to be some pressure on Unionists, not to accept Irish unity, but to reach an agreement and accommodation with the rest of the people on this island. This is all the remains of the original key sentence in para. 4 relating to a time-period to be agreed between the two Governments.
Para 2. British Amendment
'... agreement and consent encompassing arrangements within Northern Ireland, for the whole island and between these islands'.
Comment
Acceptable
Para 2. Possible Irish Amendment
There is a reference at present to 'the guarantees which each Government has given'.
This could be amended to read something like, 'including Northern Ireland's statutory guarantee, which the British Government here reaffirm'.
Comment
This would be a better position for a reference to the guarantee than para. 4.
Para 4. British Amendment
'The Prime Minister reiterates on behalf of the British Government that (while their fundamental interest in Northern Ireland is to uphold by all legitimate means the democratic wishes of its people as to their constitutional status), they have no selfish, strategic or economic interest (that would lead them to seek to retain Northen Ireland within the United Kingdom against the wishes of the greater number of its people).
Comment
As it stands, this is an amendment of the 1990 Brooke statement, which started the whole current phase of the move towards peace. It heavily qualifies and corrects it, and would be read as a strident four-square commitment to the Union. It is therefore totally unacceptable, as it would sink the process.
Fall-Back Position
If the British were to insist on some expression of positive interest, we could perhaps agree, and it might actually be helpful, provided the language were toned down, and the word 'sole' substituted for fundamental to the following formulation, after the Brooke sentence is left as it stands in our text. The following would then be inserted.
'Their sole interest in Northern Ireland is to uphold the democratic wishes of its people as to their constitutional status'.
Para. 4
| Existing Text | British Amendment |
| ------------- | ----------------- |
| The role of the British Government will be to encourage, assist and enable such agreement over a period through a process of dialogue and co-operation based on full respect for the rights and identities of both traditions in Ireland. | The role of the British Government will be to encourage assist and enable the process of reaching such agreement through dialogue and co-operation based on full respect for the rights and identities of both traditions in Ireland. |
Comment
Unacceptable. The proposed change would show a reluctance to encourage agreement, as opposed to encouraging the process of reaching agreement. The question of who the persuaders are is now dealt with in para. 7. (Hume amendment)
Para. 4 British Amendment
'They accept that such agreement may (as) of right take the form of agreed (independent) structures for the island as a whole'.
Comment
Unacceptable. The 'may' is very contingent. It will look as if the British are jibbing or chipping away at the very notion of Irish unity, even under the right conditions.
Para. 4 Self-determination
| Irish Text & proposed Irish amendment | British Text |
| ------------------------------------- | ------------ |
| The British Government agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish. | The British Government reaffirm Northern Ireland's statutory guarantee, agree that the people of the island of Ireland North and South should be free separately without coercion or violence to determine whether a united Ireland should be established; and agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone on this basis to exercise their right of self-determination. |
Comment
British formulation is clever, but will be seen as whittling away a theoretical right to vanishing point. The right is entirely derived from the current situation. The existing text states the general principle, and then, by adding conditions to it, makes it conform to the present situation. The concept of self-determination (allied with consent) is one of the keys to the whole exercise. The theoretical notion can be retained on the basis North + South = the whole. Concurrently is a much better word than separately.
Fall-back position
We would be prepared to add the phrase 'without coercion or violence' to our text.
British Amendment Para. 4
Introduce legislative effect 'to any measure of agreement on future relationships in Ireland which the people living in Ireland may themselves freely and collectively determine'.
Comment
Deletion of 'collectively' is acceptable at this stage.
Para. 5 British Amendment
'The Taoiseach, on behalf of the Irish Government considers that the lessons of Irish history, and especially of Northern Ireland, show that stability and well-being will not be found under any (new) political system which is refused allegiance or rejected on grounds of identity by those governed by it'.
Comment
Unacceptable. They have to face the reality that stability and well-being has not been found in NI to date.
Para. 5 British Amendment to Taoiseach's paragraph
'He accepts on behalf of the Irish Government, that the democratic right of self-determination by the people of Ireland as a whole must be (achieved and exercised with - delete) (and substitute 'subject to' for 'with') the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland'.
Comment
While we could accept as an additional phrase 'with and subject to the agreement and consent', we would be opposed to deletion of the words 'achieved and exercised with', which would imply the right does not exist.
Para. 5 British Amendment
'it would be wrong to seek a united Ireland, unless a majority of the people of Northern Ireland freely consented'.
Comment/Fall-back position
As it stands, totally unacceptable (the Willie Ross position). However, if amended and placed after the first sentence to read. 'For this reason, it would be wrong to attempt to impose a united Ireland without the freely given consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland', it would be acceptable.
Para. 7 Irish Amendments to Irish text
Very minor verbal amendments (affirmed through the Anglo-Irish Agreement' instead of in the Anglo-Irish Agreement) 'While recognizing' instead of 'But, notwithstanding' the solemn affirmation by both Governments, etc.
Para. 7 Irish Amendment
Spelling out of Art. I and incorporating a John Hume paraphrase of Art. I of the Anglo-Irish Agreement 'that Irish unity can be achieved only by those who favour this outcome persuading those who do not'. By making it clear where the onus for persuasion lies, this amendment should be helpful to the British.
Para. 7 British Amendment
'He confirms that in the event of an overall ~~accommodation~~ {settlement} ~~being agreed~~, the Irish Government ~~will~~ {would, as part of a balanced constitutional settlement,} put forward proposals for ~~a~~ change in the Irish Consitution ~~whereby the claim of right to Northern Ireland is no longer exerted and~~ the principle of ~~freely given consent in Northern Ireland is fully reflected.~~'{, which wd. fully reflect the principle of consent in N. I.}
Comment
Totally unacceptable, as it stands, and would be enough on its own to sink the whole enterprise (reference to withdrawal of claim of right). It would be seen as attempting to reinforce the Union, and going off in the opposite direction.
Fall-back position
We could be prepared, however, to say:
'He confirms that in the event of an overall settlement being agreed, the Irish Government will, as part of a balanced constitutional accommodation, put forward proposals for ~~a~~ change in the Irish Constitution{, which wd. reflect the principle of freely given consent in N.I.'.}
It would be for further consideration, whether we should agree to add the phrase 'which would fully reflect freely given consent in Northern Ireland'. It should be noted that Molyneaux and the Unionists are drawing back from this issue. It is not a quid pro quo for self-determination.
Para. 9 British Amendment
'The British and Irish Governments will seek, along with the Northern Ireland constitutional parties through the talks process', to create institutions and structures' etc.
Comment
Should perhaps be slightly reworded to read 'along with Northern Ireland political parties through a process of political dialogue'. 'Constitutional' distinction should no longer exist, if violence ends. 'A process of political dialogue, is less specific and more generic than the talks process.
Paras. 10 & 11 The Convention
British propose deletion and substitution of their text (see below). Convention is probably vital element for SF - the only concrete alternative to the military strategy. It is entirely within the Irish jurisdiction. Apart from being a waiting-room, it would enable the other parties to educate SF on the political realities. We would not be opposed, however, to adding the British offer to the text in a separate paragraph.
British Offer
It needs to be slightly reqorded at least to sound less patronizing
| Irish Amendment | British Proposal |
| --------------- | ---------------- |
| The British and Irish Governments reiterate that all those claiming a commitment to the cause of peace have an absolute responsibility to permanently renounce the use of, and support for, paramilitary violence. Once such a renunciation of violence ha~~s~~d been made and sufficiently demonstrated, new doors would open, and both Governments would respond imaginatively to the new situation which would arise. The ~~British~~ Prime Minister and the Taoiseach confirm that on this basis if the IRA were to end violence {^for good} Sinn Féin could participate fully ~~in the arena of~~ democratic politics and{, in due course,} join ~~the~~ {in} dialogue between the Governments and the other political parties on the way ahead. The British Government confirm that they would be prepared to enter preliminary exploratory dialogue with Sinn Féin {^within} three months after a permanent cessation of IRA violence had been announced and established. {The Irish Govt. will be open to [maintain the] dialogue / > in response to SF statement that they are going to stop.} | The British and Irish Governments reiterate that all those claiming a serious interest in advancing the cause of peace should renounce for good the use of, and support for, violence. If and when such a renunciation of violence has been made and sufficiently demonstrated, new doors could open and both Governments would wish to respond imaginatively to the new situation which would arise. The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach confirm that if the IRA were to end violence for good then - after a sufficient interval to ensure the permanence of their intent - Sinn Féin could enter the political arena as a democratic party and join the dialogue on the way ahead. The British Government confirm that they would be prepared to enter preliminary exploratory dialogue with Sinn Féin three months after a genuine and unequivocal cessation of violence by the IRA had been announced and established. |
{M/M 6/12}
{On 8/12/93}
Joint Draft Declaration
Amendments and Commentary
This paper is based on a discussion between Seán O hUiginn of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Mr Dermot Nally and the undersigned. {?}
Para. 2 Irish Amendment
'Beginning now and over the coming generation, it is their aim to foster agreement and reconciliation, leading to a new political framework funded on agreement and consent'.
Comment
This amendment is vital, as it is the only indication of a target time-frame. The SDLP/SF agreement would be that there needs to be some pressure on Unionists, not to accept Irish unity, but to reach an agreement and accommodation with the rest of the people on this island. This is all the remains of the original key sentence in para. 4 relating to a time-period to be agreed between the two Governments.
Para 2. British Amendment
'... agreement and consent encompassing arrangements within Northern Ireland, for the whole island and between these islands'.
Comment
Acceptable
Para 2. Possible Irish Amendment
There is a reference at present to 'the guarantees which each Government has given'.
This could be amended to read something like, 'including Northern Ireland's statutory guarantee, which the British Government here reaffirm'.
Comment
This would be a better position for a reference to the guarantee than para. 4.
Para 4. British Amendment
'The Prime Minister reiterates on behalf of the British Government that (while their fundamental interest in Northern Ireland is to uphold by all legitimate means the democratic wishes of its people as to their constitutional status), they have no selfish, strategic or economic interest (that would lead them to seek to retain Northen Ireland within the United Kingdom against the wishes of the greater number of its people).
Comment
As it stands, this is an amendment of the 1990 Brooke statement, which started the whole current phase of the move towards peace. It heavily qualifies and corrects it, and would be read as a strident four-square commitment to the Union. It is therefore totally unacceptable, as it would sink the process.
Fall-Back Position
If the British were to insist on some expression of positive interest, we could perhaps agree, and it might actually be helpful, provided the language were toned down, and the word 'sole' substituted for fundamental to the following formulation, after the Brooke sentence is left as it stands in our text. The following would then be inserted.
'Their sole interest in Northern Ireland is to uphold the democratic wishes of its people as to their constitutional status'.
Para. 4
Existing Text | British Amendment |
---|---|
The role of the British Government will be to encourage, assist and enable such agreement over a period through a process of dialogue and co-operation based on full respect for the rights and identities of both traditions in Ireland. | The role of the British Government will be to encourage assist and enable the process of reaching such agreement through dialogue and co-operation based on full respect for the rights and identities of both traditions in Ireland. |
Comment
Unacceptable. The proposed change would show a reluctance to encourage agreement, as opposed to encouraging the process of reaching agreement. The question of who the persuaders are is now dealt with in para. 7. (Hume amendment)
Para. 4 British Amendment
'They accept that such agreement may (as) of right take the form of agreed (independent) structures for the island as a whole'.
Comment
Unacceptable. The 'may' is very contingent. It will look as if the British are jibbing or chipping away at the very notion of Irish unity, even under the right conditions.
Para. 4 Self-determination
Irish Text & proposed Irish amendment | British Text |
---|---|
The British Government agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish. | The British Government reaffirm Northern Ireland's statutory guarantee, agree that the people of the island of Ireland North and South should be free separately without coercion or violence to determine whether a united Ireland should be established; and agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone on this basis to exercise their right of self-determination. |
Comment
British formulation is clever, but will be seen as whittling away a theoretical right to vanishing point. The right is entirely derived from the current situation. The existing text states the general principle, and then, by adding conditions to it, makes it conform to the present situation. The concept of self-determination (allied with consent) is one of the keys to the whole exercise. The theoretical notion can be retained on the basis North + South = the whole. Concurrently is a much better word than separately.
Fall-back position
We would be prepared to add the phrase 'without coercion or violence' to our text.
British Amendment Para. 4
Introduce legislative effect 'to any measure of agreement on future relationships in Ireland which the people living in Ireland may themselves freely and collectively determine'.
Comment
Deletion of 'collectively' is acceptable at this stage.
Para. 5 British Amendment
'The Taoiseach, on behalf of the Irish Government considers that the lessons of Irish history, and especially of Northern Ireland, show that stability and well-being will not be found under any (new) political system which is refused allegiance or rejected on grounds of identity by those governed by it'.
Comment
Unacceptable. They have to face the reality that stability and well-being has not been found in NI to date.
Para. 5 British Amendment to Taoiseach's paragraph
'He accepts on behalf of the Irish Government, that the democratic right of self-determination by the people of Ireland as a whole must be (achieved and exercised with - delete) (and substitute 'subject to' for 'with') the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland'.
Comment
While we could accept as an additional phrase 'with and subject to the agreement and consent', we would be opposed to deletion of the words 'achieved and exercised with', which would imply the right does not exist.
Para. 5 British Amendment
'it would be wrong to seek a united Ireland, unless a majority of the people of Northern Ireland freely consented'.
Comment/Fall-back position
As it stands, totally unacceptable (the Willie Ross position). However, if amended and placed after the first sentence to read. 'For this reason, it would be wrong to attempt to impose a united Ireland without the freely given consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland', it would be acceptable.
Para. 7 Irish Amendments to Irish text
Very minor verbal amendments (affirmed through the Anglo-Irish Agreement' instead of in the Anglo-Irish Agreement) 'While recognizing' instead of 'But, notwithstanding' the solemn affirmation by both Governments, etc.
Para. 7 Irish Amendment
Spelling out of Art. I and incorporating a John Hume paraphrase of Art. I of the Anglo-Irish Agreement 'that Irish unity can be achieved only by those who favour this outcome persuading those who do not'. By making it clear where the onus for persuasion lies, this amendment should be helpful to the British.
Para. 7 British Amendment
'He confirms that in the event of an overall ~~accommodation~~ {settlement} ~~being agreed~~, the Irish Government ~~will~~ {would, as part of a balanced constitutional settlement,} put forward proposals for ~~a~~ change in the Irish Consitution ~~whereby the claim of right to Northern Ireland is no longer exerted and~~ the principle of ~~freely given consent in Northern Ireland is fully reflected.~~'{, which wd. fully reflect the principle of consent in N. I.}
Comment
Totally unacceptable, as it stands, and would be enough on its own to sink the whole enterprise (reference to withdrawal of claim of right). It would be seen as attempting to reinforce the Union, and going off in the opposite direction.
Fall-back position
We could be prepared, however, to say:
'He confirms that in the event of an overall settlement being agreed, the Irish Government will, as part of a balanced constitutional accommodation, put forward proposals for ~~a~~ change in the Irish Constitution{, which wd. reflect the principle of freely given consent in N.I.'.}
It would be for further consideration, whether we should agree to add the phrase 'which would fully reflect freely given consent in Northern Ireland'. It should be noted that Molyneaux and the Unionists are drawing back from this issue. It is not a quid pro quo for self-determination.
Para. 9 British Amendment
'The British and Irish Governments will seek, along with the Northern Ireland constitutional parties through the talks process', to create institutions and structures' etc.
Comment
Should perhaps be slightly reworded to read 'along with Northern Ireland political parties through a process of political dialogue'. 'Constitutional' distinction should no longer exist, if violence ends. 'A process of political dialogue, is less specific and more generic than the talks process.
Paras. 10 & 11 The Convention
British propose deletion and substitution of their text (see below). Convention is probably vital element for SF - the only concrete alternative to the military strategy. It is entirely within the Irish jurisdiction. Apart from being a waiting-room, it would enable the other parties to educate SF on the political realities. We would not be opposed, however, to adding the British offer to the text in a separate paragraph.
British Offer
It needs to be slightly reqorded at least to sound less patronizing
Irish Amendment | British Proposal |
---|---|
The British and Irish Governments reiterate that all those claiming a commitment to the cause of peace have an absolute responsibility to permanently renounce the use of, and support for, paramilitary violence. Once such a renunciation of violence ha~~s~~d been made and sufficiently demonstrated, new doors would open, and both Governments would respond imaginatively to the new situation which would arise. The ~~British~~ Prime Minister and the Taoiseach confirm that on this basis if the IRA were to end violence {^for good} Sinn Féin could participate fully ~~in the arena of~~ democratic politics and{, in due course,} join ~~the~~ {in} dialogue between the Governments and the other political parties on the way ahead. The British Government confirm that they would be prepared to enter preliminary exploratory dialogue with Sinn Féin {^within} three months after a permanent cessation of IRA violence had been announced and established. {The Irish Govt. will be open to [maintain the] dialogue / > in response to SF statement that they are going to stop.} | The British and Irish Governments reiterate that all those claiming a serious interest in advancing the cause of peace should renounce for good the use of, and support for, violence. If and when such a renunciation of violence has been made and sufficiently demonstrated, new doors could open and both Governments would wish to respond imaginatively to the new situation which would arise. The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach confirm that if the IRA were to end violence for good then - after a sufficient interval to ensure the permanence of their intent - Sinn Féin could enter the political arena as a democratic party and join the dialogue on the way ahead. The British Government confirm that they would be prepared to enter preliminary exploratory dialogue with Sinn Féin three months after a genuine and unequivocal cessation of violence by the IRA had been announced and established. |
{M/M 6/12}
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