Associated events (1554)

• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 10:35
  Timetable for Coming Weeks

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  Alliance Opening Statement: Firm Action Required from Secretary of State

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  [Editor's Note: Clarification has been duly given.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  Secretary of State to Convey Details of Meeting to the Unionist Delegation

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  [Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned without further comment.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  Timetable for Starting Talks and Appointing the Chairman

  People: Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State has laid out his thoughts on the timeline as requested.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  Alliance Accept the Workplan for Strand One

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  The Secretary of State said that he would tell the other parties that the workplan had now been agreed.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh In attendance Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Government Team Secretary of State

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Minister of State

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  PUS

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Fell

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Pilling

  People: Joseph Pilling
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Thomas

  People: Quentin Thomas
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr McNeill

  People: Danny G McNeill
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Secretariat

  People: David Hill
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  SDLP Mr Hume

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Mallon

  People: Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr McGrady

  People: Eddie McGrady
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Hendron

  People: Jim Hendron
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Marsh

  People: Simon Marsh
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  In attendance Mr Pawson

  People: Anthony J D Pawson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 30 Apr 1991, 09:00
  [This Committee has been created to represent the work of Mr Brooke's inner team during the negotiations.]

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 30 Apr 1991, 09:00
  [This Committee represents the work of Mr Brooke's inner team during the negotiations.]

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 30 Apr 1991, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: The agenda is taken to each of the first three bilateral meetings in the same form.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Agenda for Preliminary Bilateral Meetings

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Agenda for a Bilateral Meeting Between the Government Team and the SDLP Held in Parliament Buildings on 30 April 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 30 Apr 1991, 09:00
  Agenda for Preliminary Bilateral Meetings

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  The Secretary of State said that he felt the meeting had covered all that needed attention. Was there anything further the SDLP wished to say?

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr McGrady asked whether the delegation's rooms in Parliament Buildings were at their disposal any time, whether they would be secure when unoccupied.

  People: Eddie McGrady
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  22. Concluding the meeting, the Secretary of State said that in terms of the total process being a success it was a sine qua non that a smooth transition from the first to the second strand be achieved. Assuming that it was desirable to follow an...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Conclusion of Meeting with SDLP on 30 April 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  He was deeply appreciative of the Secretary of State's efforts in enabling the talks to start and he hoped that the spirit generated in the process so far would sustain the participants. The Secretary of State replied that he was grateful for this, but...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  1. Practical Arrangements

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  3. Mr Hume then raised what he described as a difficult point. Despite the security outside the building the SDLP delegation had been confronted by a loyalist "headcase" complete with posters. This would be the image carried in the world media and...

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Mallon John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  1(a) Parking Arrangements

  People: Joseph Pilling
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  The Secretary of State, concluding the exchange, again expressed his distress and said that the SDLP's reaction would sharpen up the authorities' efforts to prevent a repetition.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  4. The Secretary of State asked whether the SDLP were content with the practical arrangements; it was the intention to see everyone properly serviced and protected. PUS added that there would inevitably be the background details to be sorted out. Mr...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  1(b) Media Arrangements

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Hume said he was content with this,

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  1(b) Media Arrangements - Exception

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State is content with this arrangement as is clear from Paragraph 23 below.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  1(b) Media Arrangements - Photo Opportunity

  People: Joseph Pilling
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Hume indicated his assent.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The meeting moves on to the second item on the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  2. Procedural Issues

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  2(a) Procedural Issues - Timing of Meetings

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Hume saw no problems in any of this.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  2(b) Procedural Issues - Adjournments

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: no objection is raised.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  2(c) Procedural Issues - Strand 1 Agenda

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: No objection is raised.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  2(d) Procedural Issues - Minutes

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: No objection is raised.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The meeting now turns to the next item on the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  3. Key Issues for Discussion and 4. The Order in which they might be Addressed

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  3. Key Issues for Discussion - SDLP Perspective

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  3. Key Issues for Discussion - SDLP Perspective

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  16. The Secretary of State said that it would be helpful to know at some stage the areas in which the SDLP thought agreement would be easier. Mr Hume, supported by Mr McGrady, replied immediately that security was at the heart of the problem and would...

  People: Peter Brooke Eddie McGrady John Hume Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: No decision is made on any of the proposed amendments, only that these items remain on the agenda while the Secretary of State consults the other parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  12. In response to a question from the Secretary of State, Mr Hume explained that the essence of the European model was a situation in which nations retained their differences and identities but worked together. The Minister of State queried the...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  3. Key Issues for Discussion - UK Government

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  14. Mr Hume replied immediately that the list represented a number of presumptions and appeared to be on the same lines as previous failed initiatives. The Secretary of State emphasised that he was not pre-judging any issues, and that he had some...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  5. General Approach in Initial Plenary Sessions

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Hume confirmed that he was content with this, and that the SDLP's opening statement would cover items 1 and 2 on their suggested agenda.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  6. Venue for North/South Strand

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  6(a) Venue for North/South Strand - Dublin

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  The SDLP had, he repeated, accepted the most difficult location in Northern Ireland for the first strand, and events earlier that morning had proved their assessment to be right. Mr Hendron added that coming to Parliament Buildings had been a big...

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Nonetheless, in answer to a question, Mr Hume acknowledged that others might have different ideas about the second strand. He asked the Secretary of State what the Unionist view might be. The Secretary of State, observing that the Unionists would...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  6(b) Venue for North/South Strand - Armagh

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  19. The Secretary of State observed that if the SDLP did not understand why the Unionists wished the second strand to take place in London the problem would be of a different nature. Mr Hume said that the SDLP were prepared to accept Parliament...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  6. Brooke Proposal: Venue for North/South Strand - Dublin and London

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  He felt that this was a pretty reasonable approach. If however it proved unacceptable the Secretary of State could come back to him. The only set of negotiations so far which had made progress (those leading up to the Anglo-Irish Agreement) had been...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume Seamus Mallon Eddie McGrady
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  (Mr Hume and Mr Mallon consulted on this and Mr Mallon appeared to say no.) The Minister of State asked what the SDLP position would be if the Irish Government felt a combination of Dublin and London would be satisfactory. Mr Hendron observed that the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  20. The Secretary of State, summing up, observed that the location of the second strand was clearly a central issue. Any location could be defended. The heart of the issue was to find a way in which all could agree. He was concerned to move...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  The Secretary of State to put the SDLP Proposal to the Unionists

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State agrees.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  6(c) Venue for North/South Strand - Discussions to be Confidential

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  The SDLP indicated assent.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Discussion of this agenda item is closed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  1(c) Practical Arrangements - Security of Delegate Rooms and Access to the Building

  People: Joseph Pilling Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: There is no objection to these proposals.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  1(d) Statement to the Press

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  Mr Hume said that he too would confirm that the meeting had taken place and that it had covered housekeeping matters and arrangements for the talks including a possible agenda.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  He would make a point of seeing the Press after the meeting in order to provide them with images other than the unfortunate ones with which they had been confronted at the beginning.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The meeting concluded.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  Dr Alderdice noted this point.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  1(e) Media arrangements - daily briefings for the Press

  People: Seán Neeson John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  The Secretary of State noted the points made by Dr Alderdice and Mr Neeson and said that he expected that those involved might come to take a more relaxed view as time passed but might be uncomfortable with too close a level of media attention at...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  That said, some caution was advisable in the early stages of discussions.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  1(e) Media arrangements - photo opportunity

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  Dr Alderdice confirmed that he felt that it would be important to allow the media to have this opportunity.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  Dr Alderdice said that he saw this as a very reasonable proposition.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  2(c) Minutes

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: No objection is raised.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  4(a) Opportunity for parties to relate informally

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  4(b) Maintain brisk pace

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  Dr Alderdice said that he noted the Secretary of State's point and was happy that the Secretary of State recognised that there was a need for some degree of pace.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  In response to a question from Mr Neeson, the Secretary of State confirmed that it was his intention to let the parties have the checklist, simultaneously, before the plenary meetings began.

  People: Peter Brooke Seán Neeson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  6. Location of North/South talks - discussion should be kept confidiential.

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  The Secretary of State noted that confidentiality at this stage was of extreme importance and that achieving agreement on the location of the second strand talks was a critical part of getting to that strand.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  6. Location of North/South talks

  People: Danny G McNeill
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: It was so agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Government Team Secretary of State

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Minister of State

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  PUS

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Fell

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Pilling

  People: Joseph Pilling
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Thomas

  People: Quentin Thomas
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr McNeill

  People: Danny G McNeill
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill

  People: TO MERGE DO NOT USE (formerly D J R Hill)
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Rodell

  People: Jonathan Rodell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  In attendance Mr Pawson

  People: Anthony J D Pawson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  UUP [sic - in fact the list that will follow includes members of both Unionist parties in attendance at the meeting.] Mr Molyneaux

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Nicholson

  People: Jim Nicholson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Robinson

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Cunningham

  People: Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Rev McCrea

  People: William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Agenda for Preliminary Bilateral Meetings

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Preliminary Bilateral Meeting with the Unionist Delegation on Friday 3 May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2. Mr Molyneaux made a pre-prepared statement in which he reminded the Secretary of State that when he had met the two Unionist leaders about a month after his arrival in Northern Ireland he had told them that he intended to be straight speaking in his...

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  3. Dr Paisley endorsed Mr Molyneaux's remarks. He said that the two parties would be speaking with one voice during the talks. He wished, however, to clarify one point. The Unionists were attending the talks because they had been convened by the...

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  1. Practical Arrangements

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley had, that morning, been locked out of both his room and his toilet and none of the DUP's word-processing equipment was working. Dr Paisley added a complaint about being asked to show his pass when he entered the building. Responding to this...

  People: Ian Paisley Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The concerns of the Unionist delegations are listened to.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  (b) Allowances and Financial Arrangements

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  - how much were the secretaries to be paid? The Secretary of State drew attention to the Notes for Delegates which had been circulated to the parties on the previous afternoon. The DUP, however, did not appear to have any copies of this document,...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Molyneaux then expressed concern that if the Unionists were to want to draft a document, such as a Bill of Rights, they would require expert advice and asked if thought could be given as to how this could be financed.

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  (b) Allowances and Financial Arrangements - Legal Advice

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley thought this very reasonable. Mr Nicholson thought the figure was too low but was satisfied by the assurance that consideration would be given to requests for additional assistance.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  NB: (At this point, Mr Robinson announced that he had now read the Notes for Delegates and that it said nothing about payments for secretarial support. Mr Pilling went in search of further information). 6. In the meantime, Mr Nicholson pointed out...

  People: Jim Nicholson Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  (c) Telephones

  People: TO MERGE DO NOT USE (formerly D J R Hill)
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: It was so decided.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  (b) Allowances and Financial Arrangements - Secretarial Support

  People: Joseph Pilling
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley thought this figure very low, he concluded that the Government must be very mean towards its secretaries and said that the DUP would in any case require three secretaries, not two, because the MPs had constituency work to deal with. Mr...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  PUS and Mr Robinson to Meet

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: We assume this offer to meet was accepted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley noted that the allowances for delegates were governed by a five hour rule, did this mean five hours away from home or five hours in Parliament Buildings?

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  (b) Allowances and Financial Arrangements - Allowances for Delegates

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Discussion now moves on to media arrangements.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  (d) Media Arrangements

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's note: Discussion moves on to consider media arrangements.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: It was so decided.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  (d) Media Arrangements - Photo Opportunity

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Paisley said they were not because it would set a precedent for strand two. Mr Molyneaux concurred saying that they had come to talk not to provide entertainment. Mr McCrea said that in forty years they would all be judged by what they had achieved...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2. Procedural Matters

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2(a) Timing of Meetings

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley said that Mr Maginnis had asked for a meeting of the Northern Ireland Committee on 16 May to discuss Fair Employment. Mr Hume, Mr Molyneaux and he were now seeking a meeting of the Committee to discuss the privatisation of NIE and Mr Needham...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2(a) Timing of Meetings - Bank Holiday and Somme Commemoration

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  This was agreed.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Discussion now moves to the next item on the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2(b) Adjournments

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Robinson said that there could be occasions when parties wanted adjournments but did not want to publicise the reason.

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2(b) Adjournments - Parties Leaving the Room

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley pointed out that in the European Parliament any delegation could call a 10 or 20 minute adjournment. The Secretary of State said that he was not happy about the prospect of proceedings being brought to a halt simply for a party's...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2(b) Adjournments - Majority Vote

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Secretary of State to Consult on Majority Vote for Adjournment

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: It was so left.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State offers confirmation.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2(c) Length of Speeches

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Secretary of State to Consult the Other Parties

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley said that there was a great danger of getting nowhere if the talks were allowed to become a free for all. Mr Robinson agreed, saying that many people round the table would have the ability to recount the history of Ireland since Brian Boru...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  He would endeavour to settle this question before the first plenary.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2(d) Minutes

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley said that discussing the minutes had been the first business of the day during the Atkins Conference; the Secretary of State asked how long this had taken and Dr Paisley said that it had not usually taken very long at all.

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  2(d) Minutes - Possibility to Speak Off Record

  People: John Chilcot Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  3. Key Issues

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Discussion now moves to Item 3 on the Agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Agreement seems to be reached on minutes and discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  3(a) Key Issues - Unionist Position

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Joint Unionist Agenda/Programme of Work for Strand 1

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  The Secretary of State said that the Unionists' position couldn't be clearer; he asked which items would take the longest to discuss. Mr Robinson suggested item 4 (the Administration's modus operandi). Dr Paisley drew attention to the fact that the...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  3(b) Key Issues - Government Position

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  He said that, subject to the outcome of the meeting, he would be circulating this list over the weekend in the form of an aide memoire. Dr Paisley pointed out that the Secretary of State had not included in his list any mention of how the acceptability...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Molyneaux commented that the Secretary of State's list seemed to underestimate the significance of the issues which appeared as Phase A of the Unionists' proposed agenda. Mr Robinson said that perhaps the Secretary of State thought that he had...

  People: Peter Robinson Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  14. Dr Paisley said that the nature of the test of acceptability was a real problem. He understood that the Republic of Ireland might need to hold a referendum in relation to the replacement of the Anglo-Irish Agreement on Articles 2 and 3 but it was...

  People: Peter Robinson Ian Paisley Brian Mawhinney Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  4(a) Reiteration of 26 March Statement - Endorsement of the Final Package

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  4(b) Endorsement by the Irish Government

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  4(c) Articles 2 and 3 as a Hindrance to Progress

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  The Minister of State said that this was an issue of substance and it was right that it should be on the agenda. [Editor's Note: The Government delegation does not endorse the Unionist delegation, but it is agreed that it should form part of the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: This statement is agreed by all present.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  5. Handling of the Initial Plenary Sessions

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  5(a) and 5(b) Party Statements

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  The Secretary of State inquired whether the general proposal was acceptable. [Editor's Note: Although this statement is not explicitly answered in the affirmative, the implication is that the proposal is acceptable.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  The Secretary of State warned that this was a new precondition. Mr Robinson responded that this was not a precondition to talks but a precondition to progress. Dr Paisley reiterated his position and emphasised that the day that Irish Government made it...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson William McCrea Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Mr Molyneaux said that the Unionist delegation were trying to be helpful and to demonstrate the strength of their feeling on this question. He also reiterated his warning that the time needed to discuss the items listed as Phase A should not be...

  People: William McCrea Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Agreement is reached and discussion moves on to the next item on the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  6. Venue for Strand 2

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  6(a) Unionist Position - London

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley added that it was the British Government who were convening the talks and it was they who should host them. If the talks were held in Dublin then the Secretary would not be able to chair them nor guarantee their confidentiality nor the...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  22. The Secretary of State said that he had had a similar conversation with the SDLP who had insisted on the second strand being held in Dublin. He understood the Unionists' arguments about Articles 2 and 3 but they would also understand that the Irish...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  (a) Unionist position - Possibility of Meeting Elsewhere

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  6(b) Government Suggestion - Armagh then Alternating Between London and Dublin

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  20. Mr Robinson said that if talks were held in Dublin then those who attended would be Dublin's guests. Rev McCrea pointed out that in his letter of 14 March the Secretary of State has said 'I am willing to convene talks'; Gerry Collins was not the...

  People: William McCrea Peter Brooke Peter Robinson Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  21. Mr Molyneaux said that the Unionists had already made a number of concessions to Dublin. In October 1987, when Mr King had told them that he could not give them an undertaking that he would consider an alternative to the Anglo-Irish Agreement...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  23. Mr Robinson said that Unionists had traditionally taken the position that because of Articles 2 and 3 they would not meet the Irish Government until structures existed which allowed them to do so as equals. In the present circumstances it was a...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Jim Nicholson William McCrea Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley said that for the last twenty years everything that had happened in Northern Ireland had been a concession to the SDLP. If they were not prepared to go to their own capital city where several of them had taken the oath of allegiance there...

  People: Ian Paisley William McCrea Jim Molyneaux Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  6(c) The question of the Venue of Strand 2 Needing to be Resolved Before Strand 1 Talks Could Commence.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 03 May 1991, 12:00
  Conclusion of Meeting with SDLP 30 April 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  26. The Secretary of State said that he respected the Unionist position but they too were responsible for making the venue a condition of the talks proceedings. The Irish Government were the government of a sovereign state and it did not seem...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 03 May 1991, 12:00
  Conclusion of Meeting with Alliance Party on 30 April 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Time to Reflect

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  Dr Paisley said that the two Unionist parties would be discussing their position immediately after the meeting and would be in touch with the Secretary of State if they had anything to communicate. [Editor's Note: There is agreement that there is no...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  [Editor's Note: Mrs Rodgers was not present at the previous meeting.]

  People: Brid Rodgers
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr DJR Hill Mr Hallet Also present Mr Pawson SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Mr Hendron Mrs Rodgers

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 03 May 1991, 12:00
  Location of Strand 2 Talks: Position of Parties on 3 May

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 03 May 1991, 12:00
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State presents this summary to each of the parties on 7 May, verbally if not in writing.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Location of Strand 2 Talks: Position of Parties on 3 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Location of Strand 2 Talks: Conclusion of Meeting with SDLP on 3 May

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  4. Mr Hume said that he was becoming increasingly annoyed about successive Unionist spokesmen briefing the media, both about the venue problem and about their wish to have Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution removed. Mr John Taylor was now...

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  SDLP Concerns About Meeting in Stormont Should Be Kept Out of the Media

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  7. Mr Hume and Mr Mallon replied that while they had made such remarks in private conversation with Unionists, they had said nothing to the media.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  8. The Secretary of State said he understood that the essence of the Unionist position derived from Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution. As long as those Articles remained in force, Unionists considered that it was impossible for them to...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  European Location

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Refinement of the SDLP Position

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Resolution of the Impasse

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  [Mr Hume agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  The Secretary of State said that the problem seemed pretty intractable. The SDLP's position was robustly that the talks should be in Ireland, with Dublin or Armagh as possible locations, because of the symbolism and the practical reality that they were...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Dr Mawhinney asked what the SDLP were prepared to accept by way of alternation. Mr Hume replied that any sensible arrangement would be acceptable, if the talks lasted 4 weeks, 2 could be in London and 2 in Dublin. If it would help, the SDLP would still...

  People: Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Conclusion of Meeting to Allow Further Consultation

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  [Editor's Note: These conclusions form the basis of the next meeting.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of Meeting with SDLP on 3 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:20
  Location for Strand 2 Talks: Update on SDLP Position

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:20
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State reports an update on the SDLP position.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr DJR Hill Mr Hallett Also Present Mr Pawson UUP Mr Molyneaux Mr Smyth Mr Cunningham DUP Mr Paisley Mr McCrea Mr Robinson

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Mr Smyth

  People: Rev Martin Smyth
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Mr DJR Hill

  People: David Hill
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Mr Hallett

  People: E C Hallett
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  3. Mr Molyneaux asked about the SDLP and Alliance positions.

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Clarification of SDLP and Alliance Positions

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  [Editor's Note: This was merely an update on the positions as laid out that morning.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Unionist Position on a European Location

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Location of Strand 2 Talks: Position of Parties on 3 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  The Secretary of State agreed that it would not be good for Northern Ireland the location to be moved to Europe. Nor was it desirable on practical or expenditure grounds. He was looking for a location which was neutral in symbolic terms.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  5. Mr Molyneaux asked about the Dublin Government's position. The Secretary of State said that they would prefer some meetings in Ireland but were essentially looking to him to resolve the issue.

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  6. The Secretary of State said that the SDLP and the Alliance had put it to him that if it proved impossible to resolve this issue, there would be little scope for resolving other more substantive issues. He had told them that this issue was different...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Confidentiality and the Media

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Mr Molyneaux agreed on the desirability of keeping the discussions confidential.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  7. Mr Paisley said that there was no prospect of progress if the Dublin Government and the SDLP insisted on their position. The dispute concerned a part of the United Kingdom. Where better than to resolve a UK problem than in the UK capital. Unionists...

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  8. Mr Molyneaux said that his impression was that everyone would agree to London except the SDLP. It was not a question of losing face. The SDLP had co-operated with the Unionists over Harland and Wolff and had agreed to the meetings taking place in...

  People: William McCrea Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  10. The Secretary of State said that it would not be possible for him to tell Dublin that security was a problem. He went there 2 or 3 times a year and it would be insulting to suggest that the Irish Government could not guarantee security. Mr Paisley...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Secretary of State to Talk to Dublin

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  and Mr Robinson asked whether he had had contact over the weekend. The Secretary of State confirmed that he had been in contact with Dublin. [Editor's Note: There is no clear decision regarding the Paisley proposal that the Secretary of State tries to...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Adjournment for Secretary of State to Take Further Soundings

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Alliance Proposal: Meeting of Party Leaders

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  12. Mr Paisley stressed that the Unionists were anxious for the talks to get going, but if it was not possible to reach agreement on this issue it would not be possible to agree on anything. Mr Smyth said that the Unionists were aware of the...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson William McCrea Peter Brooke Rev Martin Smyth
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  18. Mr McCrea said that this was an issue on which the Unionists could not move. 19. Mr Paisley said that he could more easily understand the SDLP position if they had expressed difficulty before. But he had made clear 6 weeks ago that the Unionists...

  People: Ian Paisley William McCrea Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Mr Paisley commented that it would be disastrous at this stage.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Unionist Proposal: Party Leader Might Meet Individually

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Mr Molyneaux interjected that this would only be so if the SDLP showed flexibility. Mr Paisley made clear that he would be happy to meet the Secretary of State at any stage and would remain available.

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  [Editor's Note: Although the proposal here is not entirely clear - is Paisley suggesting that the Secretary of State meet party leaders separately or that they meet with each other individually? - we have marked it as accepted because Lord Alderdice's...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  No Plenary Session

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  The Secretary of State replied that there certainly could not be one at 2.30 but he did not rule out a plenary session before the end of the afternoon if the current problem could be resolved. This would enable the participants to demonstrate to the...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  23. Mr Paisley made clear that before any plenary session, the Unionist parties would wish to come back to the Secretary of State about the agenda in his letter of 3 May since they were not happy about the order which he had offered to them, or about...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  Purely Symbolic Plenary Session

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  The Secretary of State indicated that this was all that was likely to be possible.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  The meeting adjourned at 12.25, with the understanding that the Secretary of State would hold further meetings with the party leaders. E C HALLETT 7 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of Meeitng with Unionist Delegations on 7 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Position of Parties on the Morning of 8 May

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Hold Bilaterals with Full Negotiating Teams

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: It was so decided.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: This summary forms the basis of the bilateral meetings on 8 May.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  Position of Parties on the Morning of 8 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Alliance Party on 8 May

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  3. Dr Alderdice stated that venue was not a matter of principle but of practicalities for his party. They had no preference and were prepared to talk to anybody anywhere.

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  Alliance Suggestion: Hillsborough

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  Alliance Suggestion: To Use Irish Embassy in London and the British Embassy in Dublin for alternate meetings.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  Alliance Suggestion: Use Strand 3 Location as Compensation for Strand 2

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  Alliance to Continue to Make Inventive Suggestions

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  He confirmed that strand three could start during strand two and was essentially a matter between the two Governments insofar as the Anglo-Irish Agreement was to be affected. It was also recognised that, since nothing would be agreed until everything...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  [Editor's Note: It was agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Alliance Party on 8 May

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  The Secretary of State said the UK Government would not solely be represented by him and commented that he had not yet been officially informed of the make up of the Irish delegation though Dr Alderdice suggested he had heard from a Government source...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  On points of clarification from Mr Close and Mr Neeson, the Secretary of State said that he did not see how the process could go forward to plenary sessions without the stage two venue being resolved. He said that any time limit he had on this issue...

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Close Seán Neeson John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  Alliance Suggestion: Meeting of Party Leaders

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  6. The Secretary of State concluded by thanking the delegation for their positive contribution. He said that while recognising the venue as a problem, he did not regard debate about it as an ill omen for the talks as a whole. He was not pessimistic...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  5. The Minister of State asked the delegation to consider what in a worst case scenario of the process breaking down, a credible argument for other parties would be. Dr Alderdice said in reply that he was astonished that some of the parties were not...

  People: Alliance Representative Brian Mawhinney John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Initially Mr Hurne arrived only with Mr Mallon, Mr Hendron and Mrs Rogers [sic].

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Complaint Regarding Confidentiality

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  [Editor's Note: No further comment is made on this complaint at this stage.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Mr McGrady

  People: Sean Farren
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Mr Haughey

  People: Denis Haughey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Mr Feeley [sic]

  People: Frank Feely
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Mr Gallagher

  People: Tommy Gallagher
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Mr Maginness

  People: Alban Maginness
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Mr Durkan

  People: Mark Durkan
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  [Editor's Note: The full SDLP delegation joins the meeting. This is reflected in the list of attendees] Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pillin Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Hallett Also...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Position of Parties on the Morning of 8 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Conclusions of Meeting with the SDLP on 8 May at 11.15am

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  4. Mr Hume said that they had stated their position and were holding to it. The public would see it as a reasonable position. Mr Hume said Unionists had claimed that the Secretary of State was opposed to Dublin because of the need to fly participants...

  People: Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  5. The Secretary of State said that he had made clear the previous day that the North/South venue had to be resolved now. He asked whether any of Mr Hume's colleagues wished to say anything. Mr Mallon replied that he was "happy enough" with what had been said.

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Confirmation of the SDLP Position

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  6. The Minister of State asked Mr Hume whether the SDLP position was specific to London and Dublin or whether this was shorthand for Great Britain and Ireland. Mr Hume replied that they were specific. 7. The Minister of State asked whether this meant...

  People: Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  8. Mr Hume confirmed that the SDLP meant "London and Dublin".

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Unionist Representations of the SDLP Position

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  He repeated that the position was as he had stated at the outset of the meeting. He expressed the hope that "we were not going to have another day like yesterday".

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Inadequate accommodation

  People: Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Adjournment

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  [Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  The Secretary of State confirmed that this was his hope also. [Editor's Note: The complaint is noted, and may be behind the decision of the Secretary of State to encourage the parties to bring their full delegations to the bilateral meetings.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  [Editor's Note: The complaint is noted and minuted but no further comment is made at this stage]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Secretariat Mr DJR Hill Mr Rodell In attendance Mr Pawson Joint Unionist Delegation Mr Molyneaux Dr Paisley Mr Nicholson Mr Robinson Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Negotiation Team

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State allows the meeting to proceed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Conclusions of Meeting with the Unionist Delegations on 8 May at 11.53am

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Unionist Delegation Will Only Attend Talks in Dublin in Strand 3

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  [Editor's Note: Discussion now moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Breach of Security: Confidentiality of the Talks

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Position of Parties on the Morning of 8 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Mr Molyneaux concurred, and explained that the confusion may have arisen from the fact that their position was that they would be prepared to visit Dublin at some stage in strand three other than the finale. The Secretary of State replied that there...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  [Editor's Note: Discussion now moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  9. Dr Paisley asked if there was any indication that the SDLP would accept something other than alternating between London and Dublin. The Secretary of State said that the SDLP had not told him that they would; the Minister of State added that the...

  People: Ian Paisley Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Need for New Anglo-Irish Agreement

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  7. The Secretary of State said that the attempt to find a resolution to the problem of the venue for strand two could not be sustained much longer. Rev McCrea said that nothing new seemed to have emerged from the Secretary of State's meetings that...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson William McCrea Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Unionist Proposal: Meet Outside the UK and ROI

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  The Secretary of State pointed out that this proposal had found very few friends on the previous day. Dr Paisley said the talks had now reached an impasse, and that although he detested the idea of going to Europe it was a possible solution and that...

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Nicholson Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  10. The Secretary of State asked if Dr Paisley's inquiry about the SDLP's attitude to holding the second strand in Belfast implied that the Unionist parties thought this might be a potential solution? Mr Molyneaux said that he had received a message...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  For their part the Unionists had produced a compromise proposal, they did not like it but they would live with it and justify it publicly, it was now for the Secretary of State to put it to the SDLP. Rev McCrea reminded his party leader that the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Adjournment for Lunch

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  15. The meeting concluded at 12.55 pm; for the most part it was conducted in measured tones. It often seemed that the Unionist delegation, with the exception of Rev McCrea, were deliberately restraining themselves and trying to avoid a confrontation....

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr DJ R Hill Mr Hallett Also present Mr Pawson SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Mr McGrady Mr Hendron Mr Haughey Mr Feeley...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Conclusions of Meeting with the SDLP on 8 May at 14.45pm

  People: Quentin Thomas
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  SDLP Position on Europe

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  11. Rev McCrea said that he didn't believe the SDLP when they said they opposed a European venue on grounds of cost, anyone who had seen them at work on District Councils knew they were not concerned about spending public money. What was the 'Great...

  People: Ian Paisley William McCrea Jim Molyneaux Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  12. Mr Robinson said that the Unionists had now put forward a number of proposals in an attempt to assist the Secretary of State. They had suggested holding the talks in London, they had offered to meet somewhere in Great Britain outside London, they...

  People: William McCrea Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  13. The Minister of State pointed out that there were already rumours that one of Mr Molyneaux's colleagues (Mr John Taylor) was going to put down a Parliamentary Question about the cost of the talks and said that if the Secretary of State were to...

  People: Ian Paisley Brian Mawhinney Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: This is merely a report from an earlier meeting.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: The SDLP position is being noted for the record.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  5. Mr Hume asked whether the other SDLP suggestions had been put to the Unionists. The Secretary of State confirmed that they had but that they had not been accepted. The Minister of State said that the Unionists had asked whether the SDLP would...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Further Clarification of SDLP Position

  People: John Hume Denis Haughey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  7. The Secretary of State said that he was seeking to respect the logic of the positions of all the participants. He asked for the SDLP reaction to holding the second strand in Northern Ireland.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Further Clarification of SDLP Position

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Clarification of the Unionist Position

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  The SDLP were "fed up" with the way in which the last two days had been wasted. The Unionists thought that the Nationalists were out to destroy them but this was not the case. In order to demonstrate this, Mr Hume quoted verbatim a passage from the...

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Extract from "The SDLP Analysis of the Nature of the Problem"

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  8. Mr Hume said that the passage he had quoted showed that the SDLP saw the problem as essentially a conflict between the two identities. They were not challenging anyone's essential interests. A solution required the agreement of all who lived in the...

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Further Clarification of SDLP Position

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  9. Mr Mallon asked whether the Government Team had raised with Unionists the possibility of alternative Republic of Ireland venues. The Minister of State replied that they had not since they understood the SDLP position to be specific to London and...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  10. The Secretary of State said that he understood the logic of the SDLP position

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  but it nevertheless remained the Unionist view that Articles 2 and 3 were a threat to their position and this had been reinforced by the Irish Supreme Court's Judgement in the McGimpsey case. 11. Mr Hendron interjected that he had understood the...

  People: Joe Hendron Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Concessions involved in meeting in Northern Ireland

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: We are closing the earlier suggestions and moving on to consider the Secretary of State's new proposal.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Government Proposal

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Mr Hume said that this did not appear to meet the Unionist problem regarding a "Dublin deal". 17. Mr Mallon asked for clarification of the proposal. The Minister of State said that the process would involve the Unionists going to Dublin "at some point".

  People: Brian Mawhinney Seamus Mallon John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Mr Mallon said that the proposal did not seem to be acceptable. Strand two involved an essential role for the Irish Government. The Minister of State recognised that the Irish Government might see difficulty. He had put forward the proposal in a spirit...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  12. The Secretary of State said that his purpose was simply to find a solution which was mutually acceptable. His only way of doing so was to act as an honest broker between what were at present mutually exclusive positions. If he was to succeed, all...

  People: Brid Rodgers John Hume Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  18. Mr Hume said that the Unionist's original problem was with the idea of strand two alternating between Belfast and Dublin. That was why the SDLP had suggested London and Dublin. We seemed to be covering the same ground again. The Minister of State...

  People: John Hume Brian Mawhinney Seamus Mallon Denis Haughey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Put on Record Resentment at SDLP was Responsible

  People: Mark Durkan
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  27. The Secretary of State said that he wished to respond first of all to Mr Durkan. He was not trying to apportion blame for the current difficulty. He was merely trying to get out of the impasse. He had had some brisk exchanges with the Unionists in...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Publication of SDLP Text on Unionist Identity

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: The proposal is accepted in order to record it as a recommendation of the meeting.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Adjourn and Reconvene Later in the Afternoon

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  It would probably be necessary to consult the Irish Government about the position reached at the end of the day. It might not therefore be possible to convene the next day. It might be better to allow time for reflection and for political leaders to...

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  No comments to be made to the press

  People: Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Whatever had been said at Ministerial level about the meaning of the "UK Team" point, at meetings between SDLP and NIO officials it had been clear that this was specifically intended to cover the Unionists "going" to Dublin. With regard to the SDLP...

  People: Mark Durkan John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  28. The Secretary of State said that as he had made clear at the meeting that morning, that if the current difficulty was not overcome "we may have to close the shop and go home". This would be very regrettable [sic] since, on the substantive issues to...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Secretary of State replied that it would be difficult to ensure that any such agreement worked in practice. Mr Mallon commented that the SDLP had "their backs to cover as well" and they would certainly do so if necessary.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  33. The Secretary of State concluded by thanking the SDLP for the patience and said that he would return to them before the end of the afternoon. T HALLETT Talks Secretariat

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Adjourn and Reconvene

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [The Government delegation meets with the parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of Meeting with the Unionist Delegations on 8 May at 11.53am

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Alliance Party on the Morning of 8 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The Chairman bases the next series of meetings on these conclusions.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of Meeting with the SDLP on 8 May at 11.15am

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr May Also Present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mr Dickson Mr Morrow Mrs...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Mr Maguire

  People: Paul Maguire
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Mr McGarry

  People: Philip McGarry
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Conclusions of Meeting with the Alliance Party on 8 May at 15:55

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  The Secretary of State recognised the similarity of the proposition to that which the Alliance Party had been putting forward consistently, and drew attention to the importance that no side should be seen to have ownership. Dr Alderdice acknowledged...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Discipline in Speaking to the Media

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Dr Alderdice agreed, but explained that there had clearly been substantial press briefing prior to his delegation going on the record, and that it was important for each side to have confidence that they would not lose out through obeying the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Confidentiality Concerns

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Secretary of State's Summary of the Position on the Afternoon of 8 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Government Proposal to the Parties

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  7. The Secretary of State explained that if the SDLP would not go to Europe and the Unionists would not go to Dublin, then the process was close to the abyss. He believed all parties recognised there was still an opportunity which they would not want...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  12. Dr Alderdice said that he understood the advantages of a delay until Monday, but had serious concerns about the loss of momentum that would entail. However he had made clear his views on the conduct and content of the process at the outset. He was...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Adjournment

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  [Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Adjournment

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Alliance Party on May at 15:55

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Present Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr T Watson Others Present Mr Pawson Ulster Unionist Party Mr Molyneaux Mr Cunningham Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Logistical Arrangements

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  The Secretary of State said he would meet this issue head on. A journalist had data about meetings that had taken place and had approached a member of one of the Unionist delegations to question him on the basis of this information. The data...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Watson

  People: Mr Watson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Maginnis

  People: Ken Maginnis
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Trimble

  People: David Trimble
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Donaldson

  People: Jeffrey Donaldson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr McGimpsey

  People: Chris McGimpsey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Empey

  People: Reg Empey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Dodds

  People: Nigel Dodds
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Campbell

  People: Gregory Campbell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Wilson

  People: Sammy Wilson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Ms Paisley

  People: Rhonda Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Gibson

  People: Oliver Gibson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Vitty

  People: Denny Vitty
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Conclusions of Meeting with the Joint Unionist Delegations on 8 May at 16:23

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Government Proposal

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  5. Mr Brooke told the Unionist delegation that with the substance of discussion in strand two occurring in NI, though outside the Stormont Estate, this proposition would have implications for others and he recognised many of the difficulties. The...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  8. Dr Paisley, speaking immediately after the UUP leader, sought clarification from the Secretary of State on his proposal to use Dublin as a signing off venue and also a start location for strand three.

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Clarification of Government Proposal

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  9. Moving on, Dr Paisley raised a question as to why the Government had proposed that substantive discussions in strand two in NI should take place outside the Stormont Estate. The Secretary of State replied saying he understood that the DUP were...

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Potential NI Locations

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Secretary of State's Summary of the Position on the Afternoon of 8 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Logistical Arrangements

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Time of Reflection

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  [Editor's Note: The minutes imply a new line of discussion is embarked upon here.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  13. Mr Molyneaux strongly endorsed the DUP leader's remarks. The Government proposal needed careful consideration and the Unionist delegation would do just that, beginning right away.

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Unionist Leaders to Discuss European Venue with Mr Hume

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State had expressed his support for this approach earlier in the meeting.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Adjournment for Consultation

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Continuation of Meetings

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Mr Nicholson returned to the question of the SDLP's position should the strand two process take place in Europe. He asked the Secretary of State whether they had totally ruled Europe out, for this seemed rather at odds with their strong European stance...

  People: Rev Martin Smyth Peter Brooke Ian Paisley William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  [Editor's Note: It was so decided.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Unionist Amendments to the Proposal

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Strand 3 Arrangements

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Strand 3 Location

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State's view is not contested.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  In continuing the strand three theme, Mr Maginnis stated that he had, up until the bilateral, believed that Unionists were entering into a negotiation process of three strands, but earlier comments from the Secretary of State seemed to suggest to him...

  People: Ken Maginnis
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  Nothing is Agreed Until Everything Is Agreed

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  [Editor's Note: The meeting now draws to a conclusion and the various positions from the meeting are noted for further consideration.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  [Editor's Note: The meeting now draws to a conclusion and the various positions from the meeting are noted for further consideration.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:20
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr DJ R Hill Mr Lindsay Also present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mr Dickson Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions from the Meeting with the SDLP at 14:45

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  17. Before concluding the bilateral, Mr Maginnis again returned to his earlier point about Unionists being excluded in strand three. He asked the Secretary of State for a categorical assurance that Unionists would not be excluded from strand three. The...

  People: Peter Brooke Ken Maginnis
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of Meeting with the Unionist Delegation at 16:23

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Chairman's Assessment of the Position on the Evening of 8 May

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: This proposal is now taken to the parties, as we see from the minutes of the bilateral meetings.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Adjournment to meet with party delegations

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: It was so decided.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:20
  Chairman's Assessment of the Position on the Evening of 8 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:20
  3. Dr Alderdice asked if there was any feeling from the Unionists that they considered an accommodation on the venue question was now a possibility. The Secretary of State replied that he had no sense of that but there was a distinct feeling that only...

  People: Peter Brooke John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:20
  Continuation of Talks on 9 May

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:20
  [Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned so that the Secretary of State can put the same proposal to the SDLP.] KEN LINDSAY Talks Secretariat

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: At this point no decision is made on any of the proposed amendments, but the Secretary of State notes the SDLP views before going on to consult the other parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: At this point no decision is made on any of the proposed amendments, but the views of both sides are presented.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: No decision is made on the preliminary proposals at this stage, but the Secretary of State notes the suggestions pending discussions with other parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Joint Unionist Amendment of Secretary of State's Proposal 8th May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: This document is referenced by the Secretary of State in meetings the following day.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Location of Strand 2: Written Proposal from British Government

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The proposal is circulated to the delegations.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Pope Also present Mr Pawson SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Mr Hendron Mr Durkan Mr Farren Mr Haughey Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Media Coverage: Apology from Secretary of State

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Mr Hendron said that he had been contacted by telephone by Mr Mallie on the evening of 8 May and had been asked whether he agreed with comments that the Secretary of State was said to have made. He had not been in a position to answer him.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Explanation for the delay in starting meeting

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  [Editor's Note: The apology appears to be accepted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Joint Unionist Amendment of Secretary of State's Proposal 8th May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  The Secretary of State asked whether the paper had been given directly to the SDLP and Mr Hume confirmed that it had not. [Editor's Note: Perhaps because it has not been made available to the SDLP delegation, the Unionist paper does not significantly...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Location of Strand 2: Written Proposal from British Government

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Location of Strand 2: Meeting with SDLP to Discuss Government Proposal (9 May 11:07)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Collins (ROI) Amendment: Remove reference to Strand 3

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  5. Mr Hume responded by saying that the SDLP had studied the Government paper. It was acceptable, in principle, subject to some clarification of the third section (relating to the closing meeting of strand two) and to the definition of "Belfast area"...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  SDLP Amendment: Change "Belfast" to "Northern Ireland"

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  6. The Secretary of State said that his statement of 26 March had included more words than those quoted by the SDLP and referred to paragraph 3 of the statement in which he had said that "For their part, the two signatories of the Anglo-Irish Agreement...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Tentative Suggestions: Belfast Harbour Commissioners' Office and Cultra Manor

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Mr Hume noted, in an aside, that the Belfast Harbour Commissioner's Office was almost impossible to get to and asked whether Cultra Manor was the building located in the Folk Park. Dr Mawhinney confirmed that it was.

  People: Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  SDLP Reiterate Preference for Armagh

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Mr Hume noted that Armagh might even appeal to Dr Paisley since he had been born there but the Secretary of State said that it was his feeling that the attraction of Armagh to Dr Paisley on that basis was unlikely to be overwhelming. Dr Mawhinney...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  8. Mr Mallon then asked the Secretary of State whether the Government Team had engaged the Unionists on the subject of Armagh as a location for strand two. The Secretary of State confirmed that it had been discussed but only in the context of the...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  9. Mr Mallon then asked what the views of the Government side would be so far as Armagh was concerned. The Secretary of State said that he felt that Armagh had potential as a location for the opening of strand two but that it was unlikely to be a...

  People: Peter Brooke Sean Farren Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  10. The Secretary of State commented that the question of holding strand two in Northern Ireland had only been addressed on the previous afternoon and that, if the Unionists were ready to explore this as a possibility, then the location could be...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  11. Dr Mawhinney then set out in greater detail for Mr Mallon the difficulties that the Government side foresaw in security terms in the use of Armagh. There were bound to be a considerable number of movements into and out of the city on a daily and...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  12. Discussion then moved on to the SDLP's suggested amendments to part 3 of the Government side's proposition on the conduct of strand two. The Secretary of State said that he was coming to learn the importance which could be placed on a single word...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Movement between strands

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Settle the Issue

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  13. The Secretary of State then asked the SDLP delegation whether anyone else had any questions.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Mr Mallon said that he did not want to prolong discussion at this stage but asked whether areas outside Greater Belfast were regarded as "no-go" areas for the purposes of strand two. The Secretary of State confirmed that he was perfectly prepared to...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  SDLP Proposal: Addition of the word 'closing'

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Dr Mawhinney said that the Government's view would be that the meeting in Dublin would be the last meeting of the bulk of the talks in strand two but that there could be reference back - the SDLP did not demur from this view. The Secretary of State...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  [Editor's Note: We record agreement, not on a final location, but that the positions to take forward in the negotiations have been stated and recorded.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  [Editor's Note: We record agreement, not on a final location, but that the positions to take forward in the negotiations have been stated and recorded.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  Mr Mallon said that the wording that the SDLP had suggested for the closing meeting of strand two had made no reference to strand three since it was the firm view of the SDLP that there should be a clear time lapse between the two strands. Reference...

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  14. Mr Hume and Mr Mallon asked whether the Government proposition which had been discussed during the course of the meeting had been discussed with the Unionists. The Secretary of State confirmed that it had been mentioned orally and in response to a...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  STEPHEN POPE 9 May 1991 [Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns so that the Secretary of State can meet with the other delegations.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  1. The meeting opened at 10.40 am. Immediately before it the SDLP circulated a proposed agenda for the talks (attached at Annex A). [Editor's Note: Annex A is missing from the copy of the minutes we are using.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  1. The meeting opened at 10.30 am. The Secretary of State thanked the Unionist delegation for coming and said that he wanted to use this opportunity to go through some matters outstanding.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh Others Present Mr Pawson Unionist Delegation Mr Molyneaux Dr Paisley Mr Nicholson Mr Robinson Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  The meeting began at 12.18 and finished at 1.11 pm. The Unionist parties had been invited to field whoever they wished; in the event only the six named above attended.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Media Coverage: Apology from Secretary of State

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  [Editor's Note: No further reference is made to this matter.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Joint Unionist Amendment of Secretary of State's Proposal 8th May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 17 Jun 1991, 12:56
  17. The meeting concluded at 4.55 pm. Mr Hume delivered his opening statement extremely fluently and did not allow the interrogative techniques of the two Unionist leaders to provoke him. He continually emphasised the need for agreement and...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  He had had a meeting with the SDLP that morning on the basis of his own document; he understood from the SDLP that there had been no contact between them and the Unionists on the basis of the Unionist amendment.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Government to Put Unionist Amendment to the SDLP

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Location of Strand 2: Written Proposal from British Government

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Location of Strand 2: Meeting with Unionist Delegations to Discuss Government Proposal (9 May 12:18)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  3. The Secretary of State said that subject to one or two observations the SDLP were prepared to accept the Government proposal. They had withdrawn from their original position that all the second strand must be held in Dublin and from the idea of...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Strand 3

  People: Peter Brooke Ken Maginnis David Trimble
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Strand 3: Government Position

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  1. A bilateral meeting was held with the SDLP at Parliament Buildings on 7 May. It began at 1050 and concluded at 1110.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Apologies for Absence

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  [Editor's Note: No further comment is made on the absence.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  The first bilateral meeting of the day was held with the Alliance Party in the Conference Room, Parliament Buildings on 8 May. It began at 10.37 and ended at 11.06.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  The meeting began at 11.15am and concluded at 11.40am.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  The Government Team held a bilateral meeting with an Alliance Party delegation on 8 May in Parliament Buildings between 1555 and 1614.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  5. Mr Molyneaux agreed with the Secretary of State's assessment of the past few days. He went on to say that there was no point in moving in limited stages. Unless it was possible to see to the end it was asking for trouble to proceed without at least...

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Strand 2 Chairman

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  Invitation for Full Delegation Attendance

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  [Editor's Note: Strand 3 arrangements are added to the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  [Editor's Note: The Government position is stated and minuted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:25
  [Editor's Note: No further comment is made and it is assumed that the other members of the Delegation arrived at this point]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  [Editor's Note: The Chairmanship of Strand 2 is added to the agenda and becomes the subject of extensive discussion for the first time.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Secretary of State to Chair Strand 2

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  6. Dr Paisley, picking up the point, added that all the Unionist delegation were perturbed at the Secretary of State's remarks about the second strand. They had understood that the second strand would deal with North/South relations and with a way of...

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  7. The Secretary of State, agreeing the virtue of plain speaking, offered a general statement on the talks process. He said that unless everybody agreed to everything nothing was settled. Any deal had to be regarded as good by all. His preoccupation...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  1. The Secretary of State held a bilateral meeting with the UUP and DUP delegations to discuss the venue for North/South talks. The meeting began at 1150 and concluded at 1225.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Hold Strand 2 in Northern Ireland to Facilitate the Secretary of State's Chairmanship

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Dr Paisley interjected that he did not accept this last proposition since wherever the second strand was held the subject under discussion would be a part of British territory.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  8. Mr Molyneaux said that he had responded positively and constructively to the Secretary of State's public invitation to talks. He had assumed the Secretary of State would act as an honest broker. This was the Unionist perception at the time but did...

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  9. Dr Paisley asked whether it had been made clear to the SDLP that the Secretary of State would chair all the second strand.

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  He also asked whether the Unionist amendment had been put to the SDLP. The Secretary of State replied that the answer to the second question was in the negative; he had told the SDLP that the Unionists had submitted an amendment but that he had not put...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Adjournment for Secretary of State to Meet with SDLP

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:20
  The Government Team held a bilateral meeting with an Alliance Party delegation between 1720 and 1726 on 8 May.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  The Government Team and an SDLP delegation held a bilateral meeting in Parliament Buildings between 14.45 and 15.45 on 8 May.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  General Approach to Negotiations

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  10. Dr Paisley continued by repeating that he was very unhappy about the second strand. He had assumed that the Secretary of State would conduct it on the same basis as he was now doing the first. His position was that if Charlie Haughey wished to take...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  The Secretary of State agreed with that proposition, adding that the current process had been constructed on the basis that different parts would have different weights for different people and that it would be necessary to await the total package...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Dr Paisley enquired whether the SDLP had been asked about the Secretary of State chairing the second strand and also their attitude to Parliament Buildings as a location. The Secretary of State replied that the second issue had not been raised since...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Make Non-Negative Assumption About Other Participants

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Dr Paisley retorted that the Secretary of State did not know the SDLP.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  The Secretary of State confirmed that his proposition had been put without knowledge of the other parties' positions.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  13. Mr McCrea referred to the Secretary of State's letter of 14 March. He said that it was very clear and could leave no reasonable doubt that the Secretary of State, on behalf of HMG, would be convening talks. The Irish could have no doubt about that....

  People: Peter Brooke William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  14. The Secretary of State then recalled that Eamon Mallie had referred to a Unionist written submission which allegedly stated that they would be content with alternation between London and Dublin in the second strand provided Articles 2 and 3 had...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Secretary of State to Put Unionist Proposal to the SDLP and Point Out at that Archbishop Daly Suggested Strasbourg

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Location of Strand 3: Dublin

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  [Editor's Note: This position is maintained in future discussions and the meeting returns to Strand 2 matters.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Meetings to Continue the Following Day

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Lindsay Also Present Mr Pawson SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Dr Hendron Mr Farren Mr Haughey Mr Feely Mr Gallagher Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  1. The meeting opened at 11.53 am.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  The Minister of State, observing that Unionist and SDLP positions about the location of the second strand appeared to be opposites, asked whether the other issues should be addressed before the venue had been resolved; Mr Molyneaux replied that the...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson William McCrea Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  The Government Team held a bilateral meeting with an SDLP delegation in Parliament Buildings between 1730 and 1745 on 9 May [sic]. [Editor's Note: The secretary has written the wrong date (9 May) in the minutes for this session.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Occasionally in the minutes, it is not clear who is speaking on behalf of the Government Team.]

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Occasionally in the minutes, it is not clear which member of the SDLP is speaking.]

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  On the suggestion that the talks should adjourn until Monday for reflection and to allow hime [sic] time to consult the Irish Government, the Unionists were strongly of the view that there was a need to keep going tomorrow. They thought that a loss of...

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  Chairman's Assessment of the Position on the Evening of 8 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  Confirmation of Continuation of Talks the Following Day

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  [Editor's Note: It was agreed to continue talks the next day.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  but asked where the momentum which the Unionists had spoken of had come from. They also asked for some clarification on the proposition which was on the table. The Government Team said that they had made perfectly clear to both the Alliance Party and...

  People: British Government Representative SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  Location of Strand 2: Written Proposal from British Government

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:30
  [Editor's Note: The minutes end here.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Chairperson of Strand 2

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  17. Mr Nicholson said that he would be concerned if Unionists were excluded fully from the third strand; he was not happy with the Secretary of State's earlier response to the point raised by Mr Maginnis and Mr Trimble. Dr Paisley observed that the...

  People: Jim Nicholson Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  The Secretary of State and the Government Team met a delegation from the SDLP at Parliament Buildings on the morning of 9 May. The meeting started at 11.07 and ended at 11.40.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  18. In answer to a question whether Unionists would rule out a package deal, Mr McCrea said that they had not yet received any good reason for the rejection of their reasonable proposal.

  People: William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  Dr Paisley said that this issue would have to be cleared up before it created another impasse. [Editor's Note: Although no decision is made immediately, the Unionist position is noted and discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Mr Molyneaux and Dr Paisley, in answer to a question from the Secretary of State, requested the Secretary of State to put the proposal to the SDLP.

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  The Secretary of State agreed.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Correction to Minutes of 7 May

  People: William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  (NB. This has been dealt with separately.) [Editor's Note: We don't know what the correction was, but it seems to be have been resolved.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 11:53
  but that he had only been asked about this once in the course of his meetings and that was by the Alliance Party. Mr Molyneaux made the point that it was an important issue and that they would have to come to it in due course. The Secretary of State...

  People: William McCrea Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Ministers to Schedule Meetings with Constituency Delegations

  People: Ian Paisley William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  This was agreed.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  Mr Molyneaux observed that he did not wish to depress anybody, but discussion had now broadened out into wider considerations; if the process continued in slow motion there were likely to be difficulties with the timetable. The Secretary of State...

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  20. The meeting was a brisk one. At times, particularly in the earlier stages, it was also quite heated, on the part of Dr Paisley in particular. SIMON MARSH Talks Secretariat

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  16. Mr Molyneaux observed that in view of the separate problems which had arisen about the conduct of the second strand it would be necessary to consult the Irish. This meant that even if the SDLP were consulted that afternoon we would not yet be in...

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  [Editor's Note: We have created a document to record the decisions made at this meeting. This document is now referred back to the Office of the Chairman in order to inform the meetings with the other delegations.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  Location of Strand 2: Meeting with Unionist Delegations to Discuss Government Proposal (9 May 12:18)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  [Editor's Note: Conclusions of the meeting with the SDLP have been documented and are returned to the Office of the Chairman.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  He expected to discuss with the Unionists during the course of the day and said that he expected that the Unionists might wish to discuss their written response to the proposition further with the SDLP the concept of a neutral venue. [Editor's Note:...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  The Government Team held a bilateral meeting with a joint Unionist delegation in Parliament Buildings between 1623 and 1722 on 8 May.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  Location of Strand 2: Meeting with SDLP to Discuss Government Proposal (9 May 11:07)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  1. The Secretary of State and the Government Team had a second bilateral meeting with an SDLP delegation in Parliament Buildings on the afternoon of 9 May between 1405 and 1510.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Those Present Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Mr Pope Also present Mr Pawson SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Mr Hendron Mr Durkan Mr Farren Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Joint Unionist Amendment of Secretary of State's Proposal 8th May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 11:07
  and the Secretary of State agreed, noting that he had said as much on 8 May.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the SDLP at 14:05 on 9 May - Response to the Joint Unionist Amendment

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  Agenda for Afternoon Sessions on 9 May/Summary of Positions at 14:00 on 9 May

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The agenda is referred to the bilateral meetings.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Agenda for Afternoon Sessions on 9 May/Summary of Positions at 14:00 on 9 May

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Rodell In attendance Mr Pawson Joint Unionist Delegation Mr Molyneaux Dr Paisley Mr Nicholson Mr Robinson...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  1. The meeting began at 3.45pm.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  The Secretary of State said that he had not raised it with the SDLP at their earlier meeting that day as he had wished first to verify the status of the amendment with the Unionist delegation and particularly to establish whether it was intended to be...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Point of Information: Press Reports about Unionist Position

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Dr Paisley (clearly uncomfortable) said that no-one should be fooled into thinking that the SDLP had been out on a simple stroll.

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The meeting now draws to a conclusion and the various positions from the meeting are noted for further consideration.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  3. The Secretary of State continued by saying that the Government proposition on a venue for Strand two had been formally discussed with the Unionists that morning but that the Unionists had rejected the possibility of conducting Strand two discussions...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The meeting now draws to a conclusion and the various positions from the meeting are noted for further consideration.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  28. The meeting concluded at 1.17pm. The good humour of the early part evaporated during the discussion on key issues and by the time the meeting had got on to North/South venue Dr Paisley was not in a compromising mood. It was noticeable that Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Unionist Amendment given to the SDLP for Reaction

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  (NB: At this point, Mr Pawson handed copies out to the SDLP and to the Government Side). [Editor's note. It is clear that a physical action was carried out. Though no documents were attached to the minutes, we assume that the "copies" mentioned are...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:50
  [Editor's Note: The meeting comes to an end.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 03 May 1991, 12:00
  Conclusion of Meeting with the Unionist Delegation on Friday 3 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  SDLP Position on Europe

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  7. The Secretary of State again said that he would find it helpful if the SDLP would clarify their thinking on the question of strand two discussions taking place on the continent of Europe in order that he could put this to the Unionists. When he had...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Consideration of Cost at European Venue

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  The Secretary of State said that he had asked the Unionists whether they wished to discuss their amendment directly with the SDLP and that they did not wish to do so. 4. After a short consideration of the Unionist paper, Mr Hume asked the Secretary of...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  He understood that the reason for the Unionist suggestion of Europe as a venue was based on the view that, since respective positions on this issue were still mutually exclusive (in that there was no agreement on whether discussion should be held in...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Put on Record that the SDLP Found the Unionist Position to Be Unacceptable

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  UK Government Position on Europe

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: The SDLP starting position is noted for the record.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: The UK Government starting position is noted for the record.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  The Secretary of State noted this but stressed that a possible linkage of the Unionist refusal to conduct Strand two discussions on the island of Ireland with a position on Articles 2 and 3 had not been formally put to him and did not form any part of...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: The Government position and SDLP position are similar in respect to consideration of cost of a European venue, so we are marking this amendment as agreed by delegation.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  8. Mr Mallon then said that his analysis of the present position was that the Unionists were indeed undertaking tactical manoeuvres in respect of Articles 2 and 3 and were attempting to disguise these by wrapping them up under cover of discussion of...

  People: Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  The UK Government to Press for a Decision on Strand 2 Venue

  People: Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  The Secretary of State concurred with this point.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  26 March Statement

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Mr Hume then asked whether, if this was true, the Government Team knew why the Unionists were refusing to countenance discussions in Northern Ireland - was it really because it was a location on the island of Ireland? Dr Mawhinney said that his...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Brid Rodgers John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Furthermore, the SDLP were, Mr Mallon said, taking stick for something that was not, and should not be seen, as their fault and this situation could not continue. His party were very close to asking the Secretary of State to take a decision on the...

  People: British Government Representative Brian Mawhinney Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  One explanation for the Unionist position might be a fear that they would be trapped into undertaking discussions in Dublin against their will if he took a decision half way through Strand two that Strand three should begin.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: Discussion on this matter closes and returns to the location of Armagh.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  9. Mr Hendron then returned to the possibility of Armagh as a venue for Strand two, and sought clarification of the process by which the Unionist amendment of 8 May had come to be drawn up. He was aware that the Secretary of State had had a discussion...

  People: Joe Hendron John Hume Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  However, the SDLP position was that they were prepared to agree to the Government proposition which had been passed to them that morning, subject to the amendments discussed.

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Acceptable Locations Within Northern Ireland

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  SDLP Preference for Armagh

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  The Secretary of State then asked whether the SDLP would rule out any location.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Locations Ruled Out By SDLP

  People: Brian Mawhinney John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: The SDLP position on NI locations is noted by the Secretary of State.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: Discussion moves to the new agenda item.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: The SDLP preferences are noted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Articles 2 and 3

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: The SDLP passed no comment on the Secretary of State's observations about Articles 2 and 3 and Strand 3.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Chairmanship of Strand 2

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  He had told them that the Alliance Party had raised the question in the "talks about talks" and he had said then to the Alliance Party that this was not an issue for discussion at that stage but rather one for all concerned in the substantive process....

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  SDLP Position on Chairmanship of Strand 2

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  SDLP to Consider Chairmanship Question and Report Back

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on to other matters now.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Mr Mallon challenged this view claiming that there was no question of positions being mutually exclusive. Both the SDLP and the Alliance Party were content with the Government proposition subject, on the SDLP's part, to minor amendment and this left...

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  The SDLP should bear in mind that at the heart of the Unionist point was a strong view that as the invitation to the talks had issued from the Secretary of State, he alone should chair Strand two. Mr Hume said that the SDLP had assumed that this was an...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Summary of Current Positions

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  The Government to Bring Forward a Revised Proposal

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Mr Mallon countered heatedly, saying that the Government had put forward a proposition, that it had been agreed by two of the parties and that it was only the Unionist refusal to agree that was holding the process up. Dr Mawhinney said that the...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  Secretary of State to Report to the Unionists

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: The closes the meeting and confirms that he will now report back to the Unionist delegation.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the SDLP at 14:05 on 9 May - Response to the Joint Unionist Amendment

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The SDLP reponse to the Unionist proposal is the basis of the meeting with the Unionist delegations at 1545.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 14:05
  [Editor's Note: In spite of the SDLP objections, the Government position on the current positions of the various parties is the basis on which further decisions are based.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State meets with the Unionist delegation.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: At 1600, the Secretary of State meets with the Alliance Party to update them on the situtation.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: At 1405, the Secretary of State meets with the SDLP delegation.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: At 1218, the Secretary of State meets with the Unionist delegation.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: Having circulated copies of their written proposal to the parties at 0930, the Secretary of State meets with the SDLP dlegation at 1107 to discuss their response.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of Meeting with Alliance Delegation on 9 May 1991 1600

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Government Proposal

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Secretary of State Dr Mawhinney Ulster Unionist Party Mr Molyneaux Democratic Unionist Party Dr Paisley

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the SDLP at 14:05 on 9 May - Response to the Joint Unionist Amendment

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  3. The Secretary of State went on to report what had been said when he had raised the question of the chairmanship of Strand Two with the SDLP. Mr Hume said that this was not a matter to which he had given any thought because he had not realised it was...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Mr Molyneaux and Dr Paisley came to see the Secretary of State at their own request just after 11:00am on 13 May. Dr Mawhinney was also present and the meeting ended just before 12:00pm.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeil Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr May Also Present Mr Pawson Unionist Delegation Mr Molyneaux Dr Paisley Mr Nicholson Mr Robinson Mr Cunningham Rev McCrea

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The meeting began at 15.27 and lasted until 17.04.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeil Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Hallett Mr Watson Others Present Mr Pawson Unionist Delegation Mr Molyneaux Dr Paisley Mr Robinson Mr Nicholson Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  The meeting began at 11.30am and concluded at 12.55pm.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeil Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Hallett Others Present Mr Pawson Unionist Delegation Mr Molyneaux Dr Paisley Mr Robinson Mr Nicholson Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  The meeting began at 17.35 and concluded at 18.30. Both sides had available to them the text of the revised Joint Unionist Position Paper.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Unionist Delegation position paper

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Joint Unionist Position Paper 20 May 1991

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  5. The second point of clarification that the Secretary of State sought was the significance of the omission from the position paper of a reference to an opening meeting of Strand Two in London and a meeting in Dublin towards the end of June.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Talks Secretariat

  People: Peter May
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Joint Unionist Position Paper of 21 May 1991

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  3. Dr Paisley asked whether it was the Government Team's view that the paper constituted an acceptable basis on which Strand one could now go ahead.

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  4. Mr Robinson said that it remained the Unionist view that Strand one should have proceeded from the outset.

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  The Secretary of State replied that he had recently re-read the minutes of the deliberations over the last three weeks and had noted that on a number of occasions Unionist participants had argued that all the Strand two issues should be resolved before...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Dr Paisley reiterated that the Unionists had attended on the basis of the original 26 March statement and the talks should have proceeded on that basis.

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  The Secretary of State replied that if two out of the three remaining issues could be settled quickly, there might be a basis on which to proceed.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  The Secretary of State replied that the paper remained a Unionist document and he accepted it on that basis. The process of the past three weeks had however induced reservations on the part of others and it would be necessary to see how far the...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Mr Robinson said that resolving these issues involved not just the Unionist parties.

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  The Secretary of State said that he considered there was a collective ability to resolve two out of the three outstanding questions. This constituted a good basis for proceeding, with the outstanding question of the chairmanship being settled in the margins.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Minutes of the Meeting to Record Unionist View that Strand 1 Proceed

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  [Editor's Note: It was so recorded.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  [Note: In the end no statement was made by the Unionist leaders]. 15. The meeting concluded with the Secretary of State confirming his intention to pass the paper to the other participants and said he would get back to the Unionist delegation if any...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Presentation of Amendments to the Record

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editor's Note: Mr Robinson proceeds.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Position of Unionist Leaders on Monday 13 May 1991 1100

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Unionist Delegation at 1545 on 9 May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Unionist Anger at Media Briefings

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  [Edtior's Note: The statement is recorded for further reflection by the Secretary of State rather than endorsed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Meeting Adjournment

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  [Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Meeting with the Unionist Delegations on 20 May 1991 at 1527

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  3. After the break, Mr Molyneaux clarified the use of the word "venue" in paragraph 4 of their position paper. He explained that this term referred only to that portion of strand two which was to take place in Northern Ireland, and should not be seen...

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The Secretary of State said that he was very appreciative of the helpful paper which had been presented by the Unionists and the spirit in which he surmised it had been written. He said that as a first step the Government Team wanted to clarify with...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  4. Mr Molyneaux said that he felt no different from last Thursday. He was depressed by the way in which the process seemed to be coming apart. The Unionists were not asking for "most favoured status". The Leaders simply responded to the Secretary of...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  6. Mr Molyneaux said that the situation was very depressing, the Second Strand was now shrouded in dire uncertainty. He believed that under the Secretary of State's personal chairmanship there was some hope that progress could be made on the difficult...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  7. Mr Molyneaux asked the Secretary of State if he was not sick with all the uncertainty and at the prospect that the Talks would be conducted in this manner from beginning to end. The Secretary of State said that he had always regarded the venue for...

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Unionist Position Paper: Share with other parties

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  He then asked whether the document produced on 13 May had been shown to the SDLP and Alliance, to which the Secretary of State replied that it had not. The Secretary of State explained that the language in that document was not as clear as in the...

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Opening Session of Strand Two

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Dr Paisley noted that the proposal for the meeting in Dublin had moved away from the initial transitional meeting between Strands Two and Three to be described as taking place towards "the end of June". He was not happy with this change.

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  [Editor's Note: Dr Paisley's contributions and clarifications are noted for the record.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  8. The Secretary of State then sought clarification on Strand three issues which were not raised in the Unionist position paper. The Unionists had previously questioned the ground rules for strand three.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Transition Between Strand 2 and Strand 3

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  [Editor's Note: Dr Paisley's contributions and clarifications are noted for the record.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  [Editor's note: The lack of objection to the proposed continuation of the Talks the following day if an agreement could not be reached in the current session is considered Party acceptance.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Dr Mawhinney explained that this point had been covered in the 14 May paper. Mr Molyneaux said that the 14 May paper broke the concept of continuity.

  People: Brian Mawhinney Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  5. Dr Paisley said that that the three parties were in favour of the proposal which he and Mr Molyneaux had put forward and only one party supported Mr Hume's. He and Mr Molyneaux had met the Alliance Party delegation and although they were divided...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  8. Dr Paisley asked the Secretary of State to confirm that on Monday he intended to bring forward a proposal which would include a venue in Northern Ireland and details about the chairmanship question.

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Access to Government in Strand 3

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The Minister of State said that as nothing was agreed until everything was agreed, it would be in the interests of both Governments to pass information to the parties to allow them to access what was happening and decide whether they could sign up to...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Mr Molyneaux made clear that he preferred the transition arrangement and was not happy with the new formulation. Dr Paisley asked what input the Unionists would be able to make to the Government in strand three. In response, the Secretary of State read...

  People: William McCrea Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Communication between the Government and the Quaestors

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  11. The meeting concluded at 4.07pm. The mood was generally depressed. Mr Molyneaux appeared to have lost all interest in the process and Dr Paisley's main concern seemed to be to establish a defensible public position. [Editor's note: Meeting was adjourned.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Mr Robinson asked whether the Irish Government had a problem about inviting other parties to put their views at the start of strand three.

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The Secretary of State said that the presence of the parties at the start of strand three would bring with it an implication that they would be a part of the strand throughout, and that this would not be correct. [Editor's Note: There is an...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Dr Paisley sought an assurance that there would be an opportunity for the Unionists to put their views to both Governments at the end of strand two business and that the British Government would keep the Unionists in touch and meet them if they...

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Unionists Free to Meet Both Governments

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Set Piece Opportunity to Put Strand 3 Concerns to the Governments

  People: Jim Nicholson Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  11. The Secretary of State explained that the independent chairman would only be involved in strand two. He would have to remain available during strand three in case it was agreed that a reversion to strand two configuration would be advantageous. He...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Dr Paisley and Mr Molyneaux both accepted this and said that they would be breaking new ground considering the strand three issues. Mr Molyneaux said, as an example of the type of views they would be putting forward, that he would wish to offer advice...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Comment This was an important and very constructive meeting. The Unionist position paper itself represented a very substantial shift away from the sour tone of the exchanges between the Government and the Unionist leaders in the period since 15 May....

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  Rev McCrea reminded the Secretary of State that the Alliance Party were happy with the joint Unionist proposal and that this meant that it was acceptable to three out of the four parties. The Secretary of State reminded Rev McCrea that the Alliance...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Nicholson William McCrea Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  [Editor's note: The following are the decisions or statements of intent during the course of the meeting that the Secretary of State needs to take forward into future discussion.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Secretariat Mr Rodell In attendance Mr Pawson SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Mr McGrady Dr Hendron Mr Haughey

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  1. The meeting opened at 3.30pm.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Appointment of Independent Chairman: Unionist Position

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  15. The Secretary of State sought to draw a distinction between consent and acquiescence. Rev McCrea, once again taking a harder line than his Party leaders were, feared that the Unionists would end up looking intransigent if the two Governments sorted...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Ian Paisley William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Appointment of Independent Chairman: Refinement of Unionist Position

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Rev McCrea again intervened and argued that there should be no ambiguity; the Unionists were sticking to the agreement reached with the Prime Minister.

  People: William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The semantic discussion between content and consent concluded with the Unionist leaders saying that if they felt able to consent to a nominee they would be content, and if they were content, they would consent. [Editor's Note: The positions on the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Appointment of Independent Chairman

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  14. The Secretary of State said that the law of reason would need to apply in selecting an independent chairman. There was a distinction to be drawn between individual who was broadly acceptable but not the personal choice of the party concerned, and...

  People: Ian Paisley William McCrea Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  [Editor's Note: The positions on the appointment of the independent chairman are noted before discussion moves on to the terms of reference.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Independent Chairman: Terms of Reference

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three: SDLP Amendments and Clarifications

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Paragraph 5: Non-plenary Meetings

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  The Secretary of State explained that the intention of this reference had been that it would be helpful to the Irish Government among others by allowing some of the bilateral meetings to be held in Dublin.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Potential Delay of Meetings

  People: John Hume Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  [Editor's Note: There was no recorded objections to the SDLP delegations concerns and therefore we can deduce that the Secretary of State and the Government Team noted the potential delay.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  7. The meeting concluded at 3.37pm. The mood throughout was relaxed.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeil Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh Also Present Mr Pawson SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Mr McGrady Dr Hendron Mr Durkan Mr Farren Mr Feely Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  The meeting began at 12.10 and finished at 1.25pm.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Both Dr Paisley and Mr Molyneaux concurred.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  [Editor's Note: The discussion of Articles 2 and 3 is drawn to a close.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Movement Between Strands

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Dr Paisley also mentioned the time factor, which he felt would prove important. The Secretary of State read that part of 26 March statement which made it clear that the Secretary of State would propose when the other two strands would be launched. He...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Meeting the Following Day to Approve Minutes

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Mr Molyneaux explained that it was because of the novelty of the role of the independent chairman that they sought guidelines. On the location of the meetings, the Secretary of State referred to the Unionists' fear that the Irish Government might end...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Agenda for Strand 2 - Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  18. Mr Robinson explained that the Unionists would look foolish to the people of Northern Ireland if they were able to get the issue put on the agenda, but not able to persuade the Irish Government to consider alternatives or replacements to Articles 2...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The Rev McCrea asked when Strand one would start, to which the Secretary of State said that he had been about to turn to that and was quite glad that it had been raised. In an aside he said that Ministers often used their phrase as a ruse to given them...

  People: Peter Brooke William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The Rev McCrea then started to make his point again before Dr Paisley intervened to clarify that the discussions with the other parties about the arrangements for strands two and three did not affect the basis of strand one. The Secretary of State...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Mr Molyneaux asked if reference to the venue issue could be built into the minute of the meeting (see paragraph 3). This was agreed and the Secretary of State commented that he would see the other parties to take them through this paper. It would be...

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  It was agreed that a draft minute together with any amendments to the Unionist document the Government Team wished to suggest would be circulated at 10.00am the following morning (21 May) and that a further bilateral would convene to discuss those...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  24. Mr Robinson commented that in the Unionists' view, the procedural matters should have been dealt with in the margins of the Conference. A small group might have been set up to deal with these issues without halting strand one. The current...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The Minister of State asked what the Unionist parties intended to say in public about the paper. The Unionist leaders confirmed that they intended to say nothing in public at this point.

  People: Ian Paisley Brian Mawhinney Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 09 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Unionist Delegation at 1545 on 9 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 14 May 1991, 07:00
  Political Talks: Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 14 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The proposal regarding Strands 2 and 3 is shared with all three delegations on 14 May 1991.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Political Talks: Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Paragraph 5: Non-plenary Meetings (substantive exchanges to be in plenary sessions)

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  The Secretary of State gave this confirmation and added that these meetings would, of course, be taking place in Northern Ireland. Mr Mallon pressed the question asking if all the substantive exchanges would take place in the plenary sessions. The...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Mr Hume (as if to tell Mr Mallon to drop the subject) reiterated that the bulk of substantive discussions would take place in the plenary sessions.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Paragraph 5: Non-plenary Meetings (working groups)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  The SDLP accepted this qualification.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  [Editor's Note: The government clarification appears to be accepted and the discussion moves on to the question of venue.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Paragraph 5: Location of Strand 2 Talks

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  The Secretary of State said that this was a matter which would need to be dealt with in Strand one.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  3. Mr Hume went on to say that given the clarification they had received the SDLP were content to proceed on the basis outlined in the Government Team's proposition.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Delay Making News of the SDLP Decision Public

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  [Editor's Note: The SDLP seems to accept this news blackout.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  SDLP Independence

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  The Secretary of State accepted this.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  Minutes of the Meeting

  People: Joe Hendron
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  and the Secretary of State confirmed that they would.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 16:50
  The Secretary of State agreed that the purpose of this provision should be to facilitate rather than to encourage the holding of bilaterals. [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State's endorsement of the Alliance position on bilaterals during Strand 2 is...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 15:30
  6. Mr Haughey (who was acting as the SDLP's minute taker) asked if, after the first plenary meeting in London, the second Strand would move straight into plenary sessions in Northern Ireland. The Secretary of State replied that he could not tie the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 14 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The Government delegation meets with both the SDLP and the Alliance Party during the course of the afternoon - see Sessions 12568 and 11416). The SDLP indicates that they are willing to proceed on the basis of the Government proposal;...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 20 May 1991, 07:00
  Meeting the Following Day to Approve Minutes

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: The following session is to illustrate an exchange of letters which takes place between the Secretary of State and the two Unionist leaders on 16 and 17 May 1991, following their meeting with the Prime Minister on 15 May 1991. The...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  Bilateral Exchange Of Letters: Letter From Secretary Of State Enclosing Summary Note On The Position Of The Unionist Delegation

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  Bilateral Exchange Of Letters: Unionist Position Communicated By Fax To The Secretary Of State 17 May 1991

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: We note the decision of the Secretary of State expressed in Tony Pawson's letter to move forward with consultation as a 'Refer proposal' on the most recent document presented by the Unionists.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: Only the Secretary of State, his Private Secretary and the two Unionist leaders are referenced in the exchange of letters. The other parties accuse the two Unionist leaders of not consulting their wider delegations, so we have marked...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Unionist Statement of 15 May: Faxed As Basis of Continuing Talks on 17 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Mr Hume replied that the basis of the talks process was the Secretary of State's 26 March statement. There was now some disagreement following the Unionists' meeting with the Prime Minister on 15 May; he had said at the time that agreeing to that...

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Share Full Correspondence Between HMG and Unionist Leaders on 16 and 17 May

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  The Secretary of State confirmed this, adding that he would, if necessary, publish it.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  The Unionists Need to Accept the 14 May Document

  People: Seamus Mallon John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  (At this stage the Minister of State left the meeting for a previous engagement).

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Basis for Talks and Agreement on the Chairman

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Proposed Meeting Between the Unionist and SDLP Delegations

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  3. The Secretary of State offered an account of what had transpired since his last meeting with the SDLP. He said that he had told the SDLP on the morning of 15 May (and he apologised for not having done so sooner) that the Prime Minister had sought...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  In answer to a question from Mr Hume, the Secretary of State said that his letter had set out his understanding that the Unionists were prepared to work the procedure, that they were content that an independent chairman did not mean international...

  People: John Hume Eddie McGrady Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Mr Hume said immediately that suspension of the process was the only step; seeking to resolve the outstanding issues while substantive talks continued in parallel could lead to long-drawn-out wrangling and recriminations.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Before proceeding it was essential to know whether or not the Unionists accepted the 26 March statement and the 14 May document.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  The Secretary of State said that he had no intention of withdrawing the document. The situation was analogous to that in Parliament when an enabling Act had been passed and an Order bringing it into effect was being introduced. It was possible to agree...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  12. The Unionists' position, continued Mr Hume, was contradictory; they were loyal to Britain but did not accept Government rulings unless it suited them. The Unionists had never negotiated straightforwardly on behalf of their people except at...

  People: Seamus Mallon John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Mr McGrady asked how, if the integrity of the 26 March statement and the 14 May document remained intact, the Unionists could refer to decisions taken at the meeting with the Prime Minister. The whole area was still very grey. The Secretary of State...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume Eddie McGrady
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 20 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The first full bilateral meeting of the day is with the SDLP, at which the Secretary of State presents the correspondence with the Unionists dated from 17 May. There are no new conclusions from this meeting. The SDLP position is...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  The meeting began at 5.20pm.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Rodell Also Present Mr Pawson SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Mr McGrady Dr Hendron

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Apology for Delay

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  [Editor's Note: Explanation for the delay having been made, the meeting proceeds.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  [The meeting was in fact taking place at the end of a day of almost unrelieved Unionist media briefings, mostly couched in similar terms.] [Editor's Note: This editorial comment is made by Mr Rodell in the minutes of the meeting.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  Mr Mallon asked whether it was not being unfair to the SDLP for the Government to seek to continue the process. The Secretary of State repeated that there was a fine balance between the integrity of the process and being able to resume it. The act of...

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Joint Unionist Position Paper (as on 20 May 1991)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  3. Mr Hurne (who appeared very suspicious of the paper) asked what status it had. The Secretary of State said that it was a Joint Unionist Position Paper. Mr Hurne asked what status it had in relation to the Secretary of State"s own paper of 14 May....

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  The Secretary of State pointed out that Dr Paisley had been referring to his proposition of 14 May and not the 26 March statement which the Unionists had, indeed, endorsed. Mr Mallon asked what evidence there was of this. 4. Mr Hume noted that the...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Outstanding Issues To Be Dealt With Before Strand 1

  People: Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Outstanding Isses to be Dealth with in a Sub-Committee

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Mr Mallon retorted that, with respect to the Minister of State, that was an even worse prospect. The Secretary of State remarked that this was a very pessimistic attitude to take.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  [At the bilateral held earlier that day the Secretary of State had questioned Mr Hume about the origins of an article that had appeared in the Irish Times that morning and which had claimed that the SDLP would be putting an ultimatum to the Government....

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  The Secretary of State said that the SDLP's position was quite clear they were not prepared to take part in further discussions until these matters were resolved.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  5. Mr Mallon said that this last point was a return to earlier 'fuzziness' about the distinction between strands two and three. The Secretary of State denied this and said that the distinction remained clear. Mr Mallon said that it was difficult to...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Mr McGrady (oblivious to any suggestion that SDLP had said all that it had to say) asked the Secretary of State how the SDLP could react to a document which contained so many caveats and which lay such heavy emphasis on the assurances, to which they...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume Eddie McGrady
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  9. Mr Mallon said that the Secretary of State was not helping himself. The SDLP delegation had been sitting in their room for two weeks now while he negotiated with the Unionists. They had done everything in their power to facilitate the talks process...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney John Hume Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  12. [The meeting looked as if it was about to break up when the PUS passed a note to the Secretary of State.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  No Further Consultation on the Independent Chairman and Location of Strand 2 Talks Required

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Mr Hume said that they had only ruled out one location [by which he was understood to be referring back to an earlier comment about Lurgan Orange Hall] and that they were almost certain to accept anyone put forward for the chairmanship by the two...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Mr Hume said that it was not he who had muddied the waters by going over the Secretary of State's head; he had never done such a thing and had, in fact, only ever met "your" Prime Minister at the then Secretary of State's request. All he was saying was...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  13. Mr Mallon asked if the Secretary of State was intending to make the document public. The Secretary of State said that he was not; he had told the Unionists that he would not be asking the SDLP to react formally until the paper had been revised but...

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Position of the SDLP on 20 May at 1720

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  This was a different position from the one they had taken that morning when they had simply said that it was his responsibility to find a way forward, which he accepted.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  14. The Minister of State made the point that it might take two or three weeks to settle the chairmanship and asked the SDLP how they saw this affecting the ten week timetable of the Talks. Mr Hume said that he did not think it affected the ten week...

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  SDLP Press Statement

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  Mr Hume said that he would need to report back to the rest of his delegation before deciding.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 18:17
  Alliance Position 20 May 1991: Face to Face Talks

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 18:17
  5. To a further question from Dr Alderdice about how the process should move forward, the Secretary of State explained that any refined version of document would be shared with both the Alliance Party and the SDLP. He said that he had got what probably...

  People: Peter Brooke John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  15. Mr Mallon went on to say that the document before them represented a retreat from the Government's publicly stated position. The Secretary of State said that it was a joint Unionist position paper, its inadequacies had been acknowledged and it...

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  18. The meeting concluded at 18.10. The SDLP started the meeting in a somewhat belligerent mood and reacted strongly against what they may have misinterpreted as the Government's endorsement of the Unionist paper. The discussion which followed the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 18:17
  3. On the question of public availability of the document, the Secretary of State said that the Unionists had said it was shareable but not for the public domain. The Secretary of State explained that he had made it totally clear to the Unionists that...

  People: Peter Brooke John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 18:17
  Alliance to Receive the Revised Version of the Unionist Statement

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 18:17
  [Editor's Note: It was agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 20 May 1991, 07:00
  Position of the SDLP on 20 May at 1720

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 20 May 1991, 07:00
  Record of a Bilateral Meeting Between the Government Team and the Joint Unionist Delegation Held in Parliament Buildings on 20 May 1991 1527

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 20 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The Record of the session is shared with the Unionist delegation.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Record of a Bilateral Meeting Between the Government Team and the Joint Unionist Delegation Held in Parliament Buildings on 20 May 1991 1527

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  3. These proposed amendments were accepted by the Government side who undertook to draft an appropriate sentence for the end of paragraph 4(vi).

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editor's Note: The Unionist amendments would have been referred to the Talks Secretariat to produce a new version of the minutes. As the revised version was queried further on 21 May 1991, we know it was not finally adopted at this meeting.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 18:17
  6. Mr Close asked whether this new document replaced the one of 14 May and the Secretary of State confirmed that the new document would cover all the issues contained in the previous one as well as certain commitments to resolution of those areas where...

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Unionist Amendments to the Record of a Bilateral Meeting Between the Government Team and the Joint Unionist Delegation Held in Parliament Buildings on 20 May 1991 1527

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 17:20
  [Editor's Note: During the course of the meeting, the Minister of State asked Mr Hume what he would say to the Press. Mr Hume declined to comment, but later that day a press statement was issued. A copy was retained in John Alderdice's archive and is...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarifications Requested by the Unionist Delegations 21 May 1991 1130

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarification of Arrangements for Consulting the Parties in Strand 3

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarification of Arrangements for Consulting the Parties in Strand 3 - Use of Independent Chairman

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarification of Arrangements for Consulting the Parties in Strand 3 - Special Meeting

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  The Secretary of State said that he would need to reflect on this suggestion.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editor's Note: This issue was added to the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  The Secretary of State reiterated that this has not yet been fully considered or discussed with any of the parties. He would give a more measured response in due course. [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State refused to be drawn on a decision at this...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarification of Strand 2 to Strand 3 Transition

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarification of Strand 2 to Strand 3 Transition: Clear Distinction

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Mr Robinson raised the reference in paragraph 4(iv) of the minutes of the previous day"s meeting to the Secretary of State's role in convening strands two and three once the appropriate point had been reached and asked whether it was envisaged that...

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State made clear that there would be no overlap between the strands, so we accept his amendment at the expense of Mr Molyneaux's suggestion.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarification of Liaison Arrangements in Strand 3

  People: Sammy Wilson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  5. Dr Paisley said that he understood that strand three was an inter-Governmental strand, at the end of which the two Governments would report and there would be an opportunity for the Northern Ireland parties to put forward any points which occurred...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Nicholson Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  The Secretary of State replied that the arrangements referred to in the 26 March statement would have to be acceptable to all the parties. He had not himself envisaged they would take the form of plenary gatherings. They would need to be ad hoc and flexible.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarification of Strand 2 to Strand 3 Transition: Overlap Between Strands

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State made clear that there can be no overlap between the strands, so we accept the Secretary of State's amendment at the expense of Mr Molyneaux's suggestion.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  8. Dr Paisley said that the Unionist Party"s position on the way forward had been presented to the Government side. He asked what was the position of the SDLP and Alliance Parties. The Secretary of State said that the SDLP's position was as set out in...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  SDLP Press Statement 20 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  9. Dr Paisley commented that the outstanding procedural matters for strand two could only be dealt with definitively when the appropriate information had been supplied from the Government side. The Secretary of State replied that he understood this,...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Clarifications Regarding Independent Chairman, Terns of Reference and Venue

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  The Secretary of State said that he had no firm proposals as yet and invited the Unionist parties to indicate any particular concerns or ideas they might have on these matters. [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State acknolwedges the need for further...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  10. In commenting on the SDLP press statement, Mr Robinson said that all parties had to act expeditiously on the matters concerned, not just the Unionists. Mr Molyneaux added that all parties were concerned with the issues of chairmanship, standing...

  People: Peter Robinson Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  17. Mr Robinson said that on the question of venue, there had been a significant narrowing of the gap between the two sides since 30 April. All that remained to be settled was the choice of venue in Northern Ireland. Was it not possible therefore to...

  People: Peter Brooke Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  14 May Ultimatum Withdrawn and the Proposals Resubmitted

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  That a Drafting Group Meet to Produce a Clear Statement of the Unionist Position

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  12. Dr Paisley asked why it was not possible simply to revert to the 26 March statement. The Unionists had given a commitment in principle to participate in strand two, subject to the outstanding points being settled. Why was it not possible,...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  14. Dr Paisley (picking up the suggestion in the SDLP statement that the Secretary of State did not agree with the Unionist leaders' description of their meeting with the Prime Minister) asked what aspects of the Unionist account of that meeting were...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Mr Molyneaux agreed that this idea was worth considering. He asked whether it could be made clear to Mr Hume that it was not necessary to have a three week delay in order to enable agreement on all the outstanding issues and that the Secretary of State...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux Peter Brooke Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Dr Paisley said that the group should agree a draft which might then be considered by a reconvened bilateral meeting. [Editor's Note: Dr Paisley clearly accepts the formation of the drafting group.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  Political Talks: Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  Alliance Party Available to Read Unionist Statement

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editor's Note: It is unclear why the Secretary of State makes this proposal concerning the Alliance Party at this stage, but there is no objection.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  21. At the conclusion of the meeting, Mr Nicholson complained again about the Secretary of State's "ultimatum" of the previous week. This was the wrong approach. The Secretary of State replied that we had all learned something about the art of...

  People: Jim Nicholson Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Next Steps in the Process 21 May 1991

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Next Steps in the Process 21 May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  [Editor's Note: There was no objection.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  5. Dr Paisley said that if it was the intention to discuss with the Unionists the following day the questions of venue and terms of reference, it would be necessary to know the positions of the other parties. The SDLP had said that the Unionists and...

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Next Steps in the Process: Outstanding Issues

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  7. Mr Molyneaux said that the Unionists accepted that approach. On the question of location, commonsense dictated that it should be in easy reach of Parliament Buildings. The Secretary agree that, on grounds of practical convenience, Parliament...

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Next Steps in the Process: Consult Other Parties on Location

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Secretary of State to Consider how to Consult on Venue. Unionists to Work on Terms of Reference

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  [Editor's Note: It was so agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Next Steps in the Process 21 May 1991: Practical Arrangements for 22 May

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Dr Paisley indicated that he would not be available after 7.30pm the following day. The Secretary of State replied that it would also be difficult for him to be available the following evening. He suggested that a meeting with the Unionist delegation...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 21 May 1991, 07:00
  Record of a Bilateral Meeting Between the Government Team and the Joint Unionist Delegation Held in Parliament Buildings on 20 May 1991 1527

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 21 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: As this document is considered further at the bilateral meeting with the Unionists at 1735, it must be referred out again.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editor's Note: This item was added to the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editor's Note: Unionist outstanding concerns are noted and referred back to the Office of the Chairman.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Record of a Bilateral Meeting Between the Government Team and the Joint Unionist Delegation Held in Parliament Buildings on 20 May 1991 1527

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Paisley Amendment to Paragraph 4 of Record of a Bilateral Meeting Between the Government Team and the Joint Unionist Delegation Held in Parliament Buildings on 20 May 1991 1527

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  The Secretary of State replied that he considered the present draft correctly reflected the position. He did not wish to go beyond the 26 March document or his letter to the Unionist delegation of 21 March.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Record of a Bilateral Meeting Between the Government Team and the Joint Unionist Delegation Held in Parliament Buildings on 20 May 1991 1527

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  [Editor's Note: It was agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  [Editor's Note: The minutes appear to have been adopted from this point with no further amendments proposed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  12. With regard to the Unionist position paper, Mr Cunningham pointed out that the fact that there was no reference to Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution did not mean that the Unionists were abandoning their negotiating position on that point....

  People: Josias Cunningham Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  13. Mr Robinson said that the title of the document was now "joint Unionist position paper of 21 May". Mr Molyneaux said that all the proposed amendments were now being incorporated in a final version.

  People: Peter Robinson Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  14. The Secretary of State said that he was happy to accept responsibility for passing the document to the other participants. [Editor's Note: We refer the document to the Secretary of State's Office so it will be modelled as coming from him to the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 21 May 1991, 07:00
  Joint Unionist Position Paper of 21 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  He asked whether the Unionist delegation intended to publish it that night. Dr Paisley replied that they did not intend to do so but would probably have to make a public statement, which had not yet been prepared.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Unionists to Inform Government Team of the Content of the Press Statement

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  Dr Paisley replied however that the Government Team had not been given advance warning of Mr Hume's statement of the previous day and the Unionist parties expected the same privilege to be afforded to them.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 17:35
  The Secretary of State concurred but said that if the Unionists intended to make a statement it would be necessary for him to leave the building before they did so, as had been the case with the SDLP statement. Mr Molyneaux indicated that anything they...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 21 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The document is referred for discussion in the bilateral sessions.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 10:35
  Unionist Paper Endorsed by Alliance as a Coda to the 14 May Documnet

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 10:35
  Mechanism by which Unionist Paper was Agreed to be Recognized

  People: Peter Brooke John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 10:35
  11. Returning to paragraph 7, Mr Neeson asked about the reference to a willingness to intensify the talks process. The Secretary of State explained that the one area in which the Unionist paper was not absolutely congruent with the 14 May document was...

  People: Peter Brooke Seán Neeson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 10:35
  Dr Alderdice agreed absolutely with all this, and commented that for the Alliance Party the pain was simply in the waiting. The Secretary of State observed that if Parliament Buildings were in fact to be the location, it was possible that this would...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 10:35
  [Editor's Note: The session adjourned.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 22 May 1991, 07:00
  Agenda for Bilateral Meetings on 22 May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 22 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: Agenda is referred to the bilateral meetings.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Agenda for Bilateral Meetings on 22 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Alliance Delegation on 22 May 1403

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Venue for Strand 2: Government Proposal

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Dr Alderdice said that his delegation were happy to accept this venue.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  He asked the Secretary of State if it was his understanding that the SDLP's position on this issue was that they were content for him to resolve it without further reference to them. The Secretary of State said that it was, but that he would be...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Invitation to Alliance Delegation to Comment Now or Later

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Not to Allow Consultation to Delay Progress

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  As to the standing orders, these should be as flexible as possible and should only be sufficient to ensure that the proceedings were orderly. Mr Neeson emphasised this need for flexibility and said that the personality of the Chairman ought to be such...

  People: Seán Neeson Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Chairman's Powers to Convene, Postpone, and Adjourn Meetings

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Dr Alderdice said that none of these powers created any problem for the Alliance Party as long as they were acceptable to others. He thought it quite unexceptionable that the Chairman should have the power to decide when meetings were held.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Rules on the Length of Contributions

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Awareness of Time Constraints

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: The Alliance contribution is noted and discussion moves to the next point on the Secretary of State's list.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Bilateral Meetings in Strand 2

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Bilateral Meetings in Strand 2 - Avoid Unnecessary Travel

  People: Seán Neeson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: The Alliance concern noted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: Mr Neeson points out that the Alliance Party had already agreed to non-plenary sessions as part of the 14 May document.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: The revised rule is adopted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Rule of Confidentiality

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Rule of Confidentiality for Chairman

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Minutes of Meetings in Strand 2

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Dr Alderdice replied that he thought that verbatim accounts of the meetings would be unnecessary but that an aide-memoire, such as were being produced in strand one would be very helpful.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: An agreed position on confidentiality is reached.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: An agreed position on confidentiality is reached.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: The PUS is clearly concerned that too strong a line has been taken with regard to a rule of confidentiality for the Chairman.] Returning to the subject of confidentiality the PUS asked if it was realistic to expect the Chairman to have...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Revised Position on Confidentiality

  People: John Chilcot John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: The revised position was minuted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Plans for Following Week

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: The next steps are agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  Secretary of State to Brief the Press

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  The Alliance delegation agreed.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  The meeting concluded at 14.24. The atmosphere was relaxed and business-like throughout. The Alliance delegation were clearly very excited about the possibility that substantive negotiations were about to begin and were determined that none of the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: The Alliance Party position is minuted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:03
  [Editor's Note: Conclusions of the meeting reported back to the Office of the Chairman.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 22 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Alliance Delegation on 22 May 1403

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr K Lindsay In attendance Mr Pawson Joint Unionist Delegation Mr Molyneaux Mr Cunningham Mr Empey Dr Paisley Mr Robinson Mr Dodds

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  The meeting began at 14.40 hours and ended at 15.50 hours.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Plans for Following Week

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: No objection is raised.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Agenda for Bilateral Meetings on 22 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Unionist Paper: Terms of Reference & Standing Orders of the Independent Chairman 22 May 1991

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  The Secretary of State said that it would be useful to run through these ideas later in the meeting but would like to turn to the question of venue first.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Joint Unionist Delegation on 22 May 1440

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Venue for Strand 2: Governement Proposal

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  The Unionists signified approval of this location.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Terms of Reference/Standing Orders of the Independent Chairman

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  4. The Secretary of State suggested that this should be discussed in terms of the chairman's role, the machinery for dialogue between the chairman and the participants, the staff he would be expected to have or not and the standing orders or rules of procedure.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  The Role of the Chairman

  People: Reg Empey Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  They also indicated that in para 9 of their TOR "at the request of participants" meant also at the request of HMG. Mr Robinson said that where an issue might be difficult to resolve, the Chairman could give some clarification. To a question from the...

  People: Peter Brooke Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  The Role of the Chairman: Final Report

  People: Quentin Thomas
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  it was generally agreed that there should be some type of final report as well as aide memoire for the various meetings within the strand.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: Discussion now moves on to the next item on the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Machinery for Dialogue Outside the Plenary Process

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  The Secretary of State said that the role of the chairman was becoming like that of speaker, except that it was a matter of immateriality in the House of Commons what business came in front of the House. In the case of the Talks it was somewhat...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Machinery for Dialogue Outside the Plenary Process: Non-plenary Meetings

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: Discussion of non-plenary meetings concludes.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Staffing for the Chairman

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Staffing for the Chairman: Initial Unionist Position (TOR Paragraph 15)

  People: Reg Empey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Mr Paisley made the point quite forcibly that the Unionists did not want anyone from the Maryfield Secretariat used for this role.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Staffing for the Chairman: Molyneaux Amendment

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: The concluding position on the issue appears to be that of Mr Molyneaux, despite the fact that it is contrary to the position paper the delegation of tabled.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: There is no further discussion of this issue.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: After discussion, 'it was agreed'.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Confidentiality

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Confidentiality: Press and Public Comments

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: It was noted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Confidentiality: Briefing of the Chairman

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note; The proposal is marked as dropped by the Secretary of State as both Mr Brooke and Mr Chilcot seems reluctant to endorse it in any way.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: The agreed position is noted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Sharing of the Unionist TOR Position Paper

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Standing Orders

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  PUS explained that a letter would be written to the chairman explaining what his job was to be and there would almost certainly be private discussions before his appointment on these items. The Secretary of State explained that the terms of reference...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Mr Molyneaux said that as far as he was concerned the Government now had the copyright to it as it was meant to help the process.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Mr Paisley commended a single sheet of rules which the chairman in the first assembly (1973) had to guide him. He said it was a short concise statement of standing orders which everyone understood and yet gave the Chairman plenty of latitude.

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: Discussion now moves on from the Terms of Reference and Standing Orders to the next item on the agenda, Minutes.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Minutes

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Minutes

  People: Sammy Wilson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: There is no objection.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Chairman to be Restricted to Meeting Participating Delegations Only

  People: Nigel Dodds
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: No objection is raised.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: The meeting moves to consider the final item on the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Agenda

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Unionist Position Paper: Agenda Items/Programme of Work

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Agenda: Initial Sessions

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: It was agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Agenda: Sub-Committee to Set Agenda

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Sub-group to Set Agenda on Tuesday 28 May at 09:00

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: It was so agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: Discussion is now concluded.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Mr Paisley was concerned at getting the process off on the wrong foot. In his view phase A (see Annex B) needed to come first and that would not be over in one day if the opportunity to ask questions was taken. Mr Robinson thought that position papers...

  People: Ian Paisley Brian Mawhinney Peter Robinson Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: Discussion is now concluded and the notes would be referred back to the Office of the Chairman.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  Secretary of State Press Statement

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  In a final aside Mr Paisley asked for clarification on whether the SDLP had in fact been invited back to the talks. The Secretary of State said that they had not been invited on paper, but had been invited by telephone.

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: The meeting concludes without any objection to these arrangements.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 22 May 1991, 14:40
  KEN LINDSAY Talks Secretariat

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 22 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of the Meeting with the Joint Unionist Delegation on 22 May 1440

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 22 May 1991, 07:00
  Unionist Position Paper: Terms of Reference for the Independent Chairman

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (28 May 1991)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The 2ecord of the meeting with the Alliance Party on 28 May states that this document had been sent to all three delegations: 'The meeting began at 12. 35 and finished at 1. 10 pm. It had before it the document entitled "Procedural...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two: As Amended in Meeting with Alliance Party Delegation 28 May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  They [the Alliance Party] were content with paragraph 1. They had no problems with paragraph 2, but wondered whether the necessity for the chairman to consult the delegations before putting forward specific suggestions and proposals might not be too...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraphs 4 and 5

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraphs 4 and 5

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraphs 6 and 7

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  4. Moving on, Dr Alderdice said that he was content with paragraph 6. In paragraph 7, Dr Alderdice noted that the wording allowed the Chairman to make public comments without having secured the agreement of the heads of the participating delegations....

  People: Peter Brooke John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  [Editor's Note: Dr Alderdice has confirmed the Alliance Party accepts these paragraphs.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraphs 8, 9, and 10

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  5. Dr Alderdice was content with paragraphs 8, 9 and 10.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraph 11

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraph 12

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  In paragraph 11, he queried the concept of "other working formations". The Secretary of State explained that he had in mind sub-plenary sessions which might be regarded as expansions of the mechanism whereby the Minister of State had met the Unionists...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  6. Moving on, Dr Alderdice said that paragraph 12 had occasioned some discussion within the Alliance delegation. They agreed that the facility needed to be available, but they felt that the Chairman should be advised to use it with a measure of care....

  People: Joseph Pilling Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraph 12: Bilaterals Between Delegations

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Dr Alderdice replied that this was an interesting issue, not least because the British and Irish Governments were in effect separate delegations in the second strand and the meetings between them would fall into that category. The principle seemed...

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  The Alliance Party asked for more time to consider whether bilaterals between delegations should be notified to the Chairman; they did however regard the principle as sensible.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  [Editor's Note: Discussion proceeds to paragraph 13.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraphs 13 and 14

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  7. Dr Alderdice was content with paragraph 13, especially its permissive nature. The Secretary of State confirmed that it was intended to cover all contributions to meetings. Dr Alderdice was also content with paragraph 14.

  People: Peter Brooke John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  [Editor's Note: 'Dr Alderdice was content.']

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraph 15

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  8. On paragraph 15, Dr Alderdice wondered how any lack of agreement on the record of any meeting would be resolved. The Secretary of State said that this would be for the Chairman. He hoped that the nature of any disagreement would not be so profound...

  People: Peter Brooke Brian Mawhinney John Alderdice Joseph Pilling
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Paragraphs 16 and 17

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  9. Dr Alderdice confirmed that he was content with paragraphs 16 and 17.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Additional Points: Location

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Additional Points: Location

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Dr Alderdice said that he agreed with this, but that he would not be surprised if it became a problem in practice.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  [Editor's Note: Dr Alderdice moves on to the next point on his list.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Additional Points: Staffing

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  14. Concluding the meeting, the Secretary of State said that the document which had been discussed was of course contingent on its acceptance by the Chairman himself. It was important that it did not leak. He would be discussing it with the Unionists...

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Agenda-Setting Meeting

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  The Secretary of state replied that it had been debated, and that whatever was decided would have to be acceptable to all participants. There were several options to explore, one of which might involve a secretariat provided by the two Governments. Dr...

  People: Peter Brooke John Alderdice Joseph Pilling
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  Additional Points: Observation on Standing Orders and Guidelines

  People: Seán Neeson John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State so decided.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  [Editor's Note: The Alliance delegation do not object to this proposal.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 12:35
  S A Marsh Talks Secretariat

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two: As Amended in Meeting with Alliance Party Delegation 28 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Those Present: Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Pope Also present Mr Pawson Joint Unionist Delegation Mr Molyneaux Dr Paisley Mr Mccrea Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Government Team held a bilateral meeting with a Joint Unionist Delegation at Parliament Buildings, Stormont between 14.10 and 16.00 on 28 May 1991.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (28 May 1991)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  2. Dr Paisley (apparently in jovial mood) opened the initial pleasantries, commenting to the Secretary of State that he thought that the Government Team might find it of strategic value were they to seat the Unionist Delegation facing the windows, thus...

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  The meeting, which was held at the Alliance Party's request, began at 10.45 am and ended at 11.30 am. There was a break between 11.10 am and 11.15 am while the Secretary of State took a telephone call.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  Unionist Press Briefing Are Freelance

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  Dr Alderdice continued that he could not accept the Secretary of State's explanation of the Unionists' behaviour. Their leaders were permitting their people to tell lies. He could not accept that they could simply dismiss responsibility; it was quite appalling.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  Clean Copy of the Agenda Paper to be Circulated

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  Dr Alderdice was content with this.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  Lord Carrington Breaking News

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  The Secretary of State observed that the Downtown story, coupled with Lord Carrington's statement, dealt with the particular issue and answered the Alliance Party's concern that it should be made clear that a name had been put to the Unionists. He...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  5. Dr Alderdice responded by saying that what had happened showed a lack of responsibility and was not acceptable. People were making clear comments which were untrue and unhelpful; he could not simply excuse it as freelancing. Yesterday the Unionist...

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  Dr Alderdice considered that it was the Secretary of State's responsibility to tell the public. The Alliance Party felt they had been on the margins throughout the entire process because they did not create problems; now they were being further...

  People: Seamus Close John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  10. Changing the subject, Dr Alderdice asked about the guidelines for the conduct of the second strand. The Alliance Party had accepted them on Tuesday; he understood the SDLP had done so too. The Unionists had found them unacceptable and he believed...

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Close John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  11. Dr Alderdice then asked about the programme for the rest of the day. The Secretary of State replied that he intended to deal with the guidelines as quickly as possible. He hoped to take the issue forward with the Unionists later that morning. He...

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  12. On the question of the independent Chairman, the Secretary of State said that it was now for the two Governments to get on with it. He had suggested to Mr Hume that the Unionists' good faith might be tested by trying to find a name to which they...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 May 1991, 10:45
  13. Throughout the meeting the Alliance Party delegation were in a highly charged emotional state. This partly subsided after it became clear that the true story of the Unionist rejection of Lord Carrington had already emerged, but they were very angry...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Procedural Guidelines To Be Amended

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Amendments to the Procedural Guidelines Tabled by the Unionists 28 May 1991

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  After initial consideration, the Secretary of State asked whether it could be taken as read that, where no amendment was shown against a particular paragraph, the paragraph concerned could be regarded as having been accepted by the Unionists. Dr...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Work through the Paper Paragraph by Paragraph

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Secretary of State confirmed that he was content with this arrangement.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (as Amended at a Meeting with the Joint Unionist Delegation on 28 May 1991)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  and asked whether the Unionists, first, wished to make any general comment about the paper. 3. Mr Molyneaux responded to this invitation by asking the Secretary of State why the paper contained no definition of the purpose of Strand Two, noting that...

  People: Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Add Definition of Strand Two

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Dr Paisley said that he did not feel it absolutely necessary to include a form of words in the Chairman's brief so long as it was clear to the Chairman what the purpose of Strand Two was. The formula quoted by Mr Molyneaux was, in fact, the Secretary...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  That said, he did not feel that it would be productive to discuss new textual formulae - he agreed with Dr Paisley's suggestion that the aim should be to avoid misunderstandings around the table.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Unionist to Brief Chairman on 21 March Formula

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Secretary of State said that he, personally, saw no difficulties with this approach since that formula represented the heart of what the process was about.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 2 (Suggestions and Proposals by Chairman)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 2 (Suggestions and Proposals by Chairman): Unionist Amendment

  People: Reg Empey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 2 (Suggestions and Proposals by Chairman): Unionist Amendment - Change to "a delegation or delegations"

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  and this was accepted by the Unionists.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 2 (Suggestions and Proposals by Chairman): Chilcot Amendment

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 2 (Suggestions and Proposals by Chairman): Chilcot Amendment Refined

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  9. Mr Robinson, while not objecting to the totality of the wording, said that he saw some difficulties with the use of the term "consultation". Unionist parties in Northern Ireland were well aware of the implications of "consultation". Citing his...

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Mr Empey said that this was predicated on the Unionist view that whoever was appointed as Chairman should act as a Chairman and not as an arbitrator or facilitator. Given this the onus should be on the delegations to ask the Chairman to act on their...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Reg Empey Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  5. PUS said that there was another aspect to the proposed amendment which needed to be considered. The Government Team would, in the near future, be approaching potential candidates for the Chairman's post and needed to be in a position to be able to...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson William McCrea Reg Empey John Chilcot Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Decision on Paragraph 2 (Suggestions and Proposals by Chairman)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Dr Paisley said that he would be content to settle for the new form of words put forward by PUS and was supported by Mr Cunningham who felt that the use of the term "suggestions" was more tentative, and thus more acceptable, than the use of the firmer...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  10. In a question unrelated to the discussion that had gone before, Mr Robinson asked whether all delegations now had the procedural guidelines document and the Secretary of State confirmed that this was the case.

  People: Peter Brooke Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 3 and 4 (Steering Group and Business Committee)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 3 and 4 (Steering Group and Business Committee): Unionist Amendment to Drop Steering Committee

  People: Reg Empey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Secretary of State said that his main concern was to ensure that the Chairman could get his job done - given the strong views that had been expressed he would go ahead on the basis that there should be a Business Committee only.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  7. Dr Paisley felt that this was a good piece of work but said that he still saw difficulties with it - it did not state firmly enough that the Chairman should not be able to put forward his own proposals. The Secretary of State then asked the Unionist...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson John Chilcot Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Unionist Delegation saw the Business Committee as the working arm of Strand Two but saw no need for an additional, formal, group which could prove cumbersome. If there was a requirement for the Chairman to talk on a regular basis to the leaders of...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Peter Brooke William McCrea Reg Empey Josias Cunningham Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  [Editor's Note: Since the Secretary of State has now accepted the Unionist amendment, Paragraph 3 can now be adopted as amended. No formal vote is proposed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 5 and 6 (Business Committee and External Lobbying)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  and Mr Empey confirmed that they were.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 7 (Media)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 7 (Media): Unionist Amendment

  People: Reg Empey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 7 (Media): Chilcot Amendment

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  They felt strongly that the Chairman should be restrained from "going off at a tangent" and should only involve himself in such discussion with prior approval. Dr Paisley said that he saw the Chairman acting more as the Speaker of the House of Commons...

  People: Ian Paisley Reg Empey Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  PUS said that this formula still begged the question of the Chairman identifying a need or the leaders of the Delegations seeing a need for the Chairman to act but he felt that it met the general points that had been made by the Unionist Delegation.

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Decision on Paragraph 7 (Media)

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  16. Dr Paisley said that he found the form of words acceptable

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  but Mr Cunningham noted that much would depend on the degree of trust. The Secretary of State said that if sufficient trust were generated, then it might be possible that for all involved to overlook the guidelines but Dr Paisley said that this could...

  People: Sammy Wilson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  No Socialising by Unionist Delegations

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Secretary of state commented that the development of trust would be based on the way in which business was conducted, to which Dr Paisley replied that, if the Chairman were a wise man, he would keep his mouth closed

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 8,9 and 10 (Conduct of Proceedings)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  and Mr Empey confirmed that they were.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 11 and 12 (Nature of Meetings)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 11 and 12 (Nature of Meetings): Unionist Amendment

  People: Sammy Wilson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Mr Robinson said that he felt that the Government Team had taken leave of its senses when drafting this paragraph which referred only to plenary sessions. The numbers of people who would be involved in plenary discussions would not allow any chance of...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson William McCrea Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 11 and 12 (Nature of Meetings): Chilcot Amendment (1)

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Unionist Delegation wanted it made clear that there were two different types of meeting, ie plenary and others. As things stood, the Government draft only allowed non plenary other meetings to take place on a "grace and favour" basis.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 11 and 12 (Nature of Meetings): Brooke Amendment

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  23. Mr Cunningham's immediate reaction was to suggest that this formula avoided the issue of the possibility of sub-delegation meetings,

  People: Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 11 and 12 (Nature of Meetings): Add the Words 'at Stormont' to the Brooke Amendment

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Decision on Paragraphs 11 and 12

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  This was agreed by the Government Team.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  20. PUS explained that this took account of the possibility that some meetings might be conducted on a sub-plenary basis. Dr Paisley said that he was not happy with the formula since it allowed no place for multi-lateral or bilateral meetings without...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson William McCrea Peter Brooke John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  21. The Secretary of State then said that, if progress was to be made, it was necessary to try to get to the substance behind the words that the Unionists had put forward and he asked the Delegation what kind of meeting they were most anxious to cover....

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Reg Empey Peter Brooke Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraphs 13 and 14 (Conduct of Business)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  24. In response to a question from the Secretary of State, Mr Empey confirmed that the Unionist Delegation were content with paragraphs 13 and 14.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 15 (Records of Meetings)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Paragraph 15 (Records of Meetings): Unionist Request for Clarification

  People: Reg Empey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Secretary of State suggested that the system that had been developed during bilateral meetings over the previous weeks appeared to have been well received and he suggested that this should continue. Dr Paisley then asked, for clarification, whether...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson Reg Empey Peter Brooke John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Dr Paisley confirmed that he saw no problems in arranging for the Business Committee to confirm the record of plenary sessions as this would tend to relieve the plenary session itself of an additional pressure which might interfere with the conduct of...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  [Editor's Note: Dr Paisley confirms that he is satisfied with the clarification provided and is willing to accept the original Government proposal.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Staffing

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  The Secretary of State said the Government Team had not defined the type or level of staffing that might be most appropriate for Strand Two. He was aware that it was the view of the Unionist Delegation that staffing should be supplied by the host...

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson William McCrea Peter Brooke John Chilcot Jim Molyneaux Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Staffing: Secretary of State to Reflect and Bring Forward Proposals at a Later Stage

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  [Editor's Note: Discussion moves on to the question of Strand Three. The Unionist delegation seems content to leave the Secretary of State to reflect further on the matters raised. No proposal on staffing is included in the revised Procedural...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Add Paragraph: Strand Two to Strand Three Transition

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  and sought an assurance from the Secretary of State that the wording of the Procedural Guidelines would not prevent the facility, in the final meeting of Strand Two, to deal with the issues which might be raised in Strand Three. The Secretary of State...

  People: Peter Brooke Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Add Paragraph: Strand Two to Strand Three Transition

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  [Editor's Note: The implication of the Record is that the new paragraph was included as a summary of the agreement reached at the meeting. We therefore represent it as agreed by both delegations.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  [Editor's Note: The implication of the Record is that the new paragraph was included as a summary of the agreement reached at the meeting. We therefore represent it as agreed by both delegations.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  30. Mr Molyneaux then asked what progress had been made in arranging a meeting of the plenary sub-group which had been convened to consider the agenda for strand one plenaries.

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Sub-Group to Meet at 1700 in the Conference Room

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  [Editor's Note: No objection is made.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  Business for 29 May

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  and the Secretary of State said that he could not be specific on this at that stage as he would be involved in various discussions.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  [Editor's Note: The proposed amendments are referred back to the Office of the Chairman in order that a revised set draft Procedural Guidelines can be prepared.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 28 May 1991, 14:10
  31. A revised set of draft Procedural Guidelines was subsequently produced, cleared in a small sub-group comprising the Minister of State, Mr Robinson, Mr Empey and Mr Thomas; and recirculated to the Unionist delegation (text at Annex C). [Editor's...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The Government delegation meets with the Unionist parties at 1410 to discuss the draft Procedural Guidelines. Amendments are proposed and referred back to the Chairman's Office in order to produce a new version of the Guidelines.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two 9 (Amended 28 May 1991)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  Revised Draft Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two 28 May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  31. A revised set of draft Procedural Guidelines was subsequently produced,

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (28 May 1991, 1715)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 May 1991, 07:00
  and recirculated to the Unionist delegation (text at Annex C).

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  1. The Government Team held a bilateral meeting with the Joint Unionist Delegation at Parliament Buildings, Stormont between 1437 hours and 1540 hours on 3 June 1991.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Report on Secretary of State's Meeting with Irish Ministers on 31 May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  He noted that the meeting had lasted for almost 4 hours and that, during it, he had sought to bring Mr Collins and Mr Burke up to date on developments in Belfast not just in recent days but over the past weeks as well. There had been exchanges on the...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Unionist Proposals for Independent Chairman

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (28 May 1991, 1715)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  There had also been discussion at the meeting with Irish Ministers on the procedural guidelines for Strand Two. The Secretary of State continued by saying that he wished to use this meeting to cover some outstanding points on the procedural guidelines...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  The Unionist Delegation said that they had not received this document and, during a pause while the copies were obtained, Mr Cunningham asked what was the status of the document and who had agreed it. The Secretary of State said that the document had...

  People: Josias Cunningham Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Process for Agreeing Revised Procedural Guidelines

  People: Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  The Secretary of State said that this would be the case. As an aside, the Secretary of State then said (as a human comment) he was unconvinced, on the basis of his experience so far, that the bilateral process was the most rapid way of making progress....

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 29 May 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The Workplan is referred to the Delegations. It is not clear on what day this would have happened. On 3 June when it is discussed at a bilateral meeting with the Unionist parties, Mr Mawhinney appears to have already discussed the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Workplan for Strand 1 (as circulated by the Minister of State for approval by the delegations)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Dr Mawhinney said that the one outstanding task which he had had to complete was to broker some minor amendments with the SDLP. This had now been done, and the workplan was now ready for final agreement. Mr Robinson said that the Unionists were still...

  People: Peter Robinson Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Mr Robinson then confirmed that he was content with the workplan for Strand One and Mr Cunningham, after a short pause while he studied the document again, confirmed that he, too was happy with it. [Editor's Note: Mr Robinson and Mr Cunningham appear...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  The meeting began at 3.45 and ended at 4.00pm. The Secretary of State apologised that the previous meeting had run on beyond the time at which Dr Alderdice had had to leave.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (3 June 1991)

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  The Secretary of State continued by saying that the Government Team continued to see a requirement for the Chairman to consult and hoped that his earlier agreement to the removal of the words "proposals and propositions" from this paragraph and the...

  People: Peter Brooke Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Paragraph 2: Delete "with the agreement of one or more Delegations"

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  That said, he would need to satisfy himself about the Government's suggestion and would discuss it and come back with a view. Mr Cunningham said that he, too, would look closely at the suggestion and come back with a view. [Editor's Note: The Unionist...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Paragraph 10: New Wording

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  The Secretary of State said that the concept of venues for Strand Two set out in paragraph 10 had been previously agreed but that he now proposed to remove references to location of plenary meetings as being unnecessary in what were, after all,...

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  8. In response, Mr Robinson asked whether the word 'regular' was, indeed, the best one to use in seeking to portray the agreement that had been reached since it raised the possibility that plenary meetings would be conducted at set times and at set...

  People: Peter Robinson Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke Sammy Wilson Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Mr Cunningham then said that, having listened to the argument for the proposed change, the Unionist Delegation would consider the revised paragraph 10 and come back with a view.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Mr Robinson, however, said that he was clear on the purpose and intent of the amendments suggested by the Government Team and would discuss it with party leaders.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 03 Jun 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The staffing paper is sent to the delegations for their consideration.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Staffing of Strand Two

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  9. Mr Cunningham then raised the question of the locations for the plenary sessions of Strand Two, noting the Irish Government's suggestion that reference to these be removed from paragraph 10 – he asked whether it might not be appropriate to retain...

  People: Mr Watson Peter Robinson Brian Mawhinney Peter Brooke Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  10. Mr Dodds then raised the question of the reference in the last sentence of the new paragraph 10 to the exchanges which might take place between the Chairman and delegations in respect of meetings, asking for some clarification of the perceived...

  People: Peter Brooke Nigel Dodds Ken Maginnis Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Paragraph 15: Delete

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Note that Unionists Object to the Use of Irish Civil Servants

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  However, the significance of the Unionists' concern about the deployment of members of the Anglo-Irish Secretariat as part of the Chairman's support team was taken.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Mr Cunningham and Mr Robinson then indicated that they were both content with the staffing document as drafted. [Editor's Note: The document, having received the approval of the Unionist delegation, must be referred back to the Office of the Chairman...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Note that the Unionist Amendments Had Caused the Delay

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Business for the Day: Unionists to Report Back by 1800

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Mr Empey said that it was felt on the Unionist side that removal of paragraph 15 would tend to dilute the understandings that had been arrived at. Their reason for originally seeking the inclusion of paragraph 15 and its retention on this occasion was...

  People: Josias Cunningham Reg Empey Peter Robinson Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  The Secretary of State said that the aim of the document was to offer the widest choice of alternatives to a Chairman and that, in drafting it, he had tried to respond in diplomatic language to points which had been made to him by the Unionist...

  People: Peter Brooke Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  13. Mr Robinson then asked the Secretary of State whether the other delegations had been given, by the Government Team, the list of potential candidates for the post of independent Chairman which had been sent to him by Dr Paisley on 31 May. The...

  People: Peter Robinson Peter Brooke John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Mr Cunningham confirmed that the Unionist Delegation would do this but that, if they had an earlier definite indication, then they would let the Secretary of State know.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Accusation that the Government Team had Briefed against the Unionists

  People: Ken Maginnis
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  The Secretary of State said that this was not the case. No statement suggesting agreement was made until all parties had clearly agreed to a particular issue.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Unionists to be Informed once Alliance Party Agree Workplan

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  and, in response to a question from Mr Cunningham, confirmed that he would tell the Unionists when this had been received.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  COMMENT 20. The meeting was, generally, workmanlike in nature but was spoiled towards the end by ill-considered and unhelpful interventions, mainly from Mr Maginnis who seemed to be developing his own particular conspiracy theory to explain the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  14. Mr Robinson said that the Unionists' aim in raising the issue and coming forward with a list of names was to be helpful to the process. He said that he had detected suggestions by the SDLP and the Irish Government that the Unionists were not...

  People: Peter Robinson Reg Empey Ken Maginnis Peter Brooke Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Mr Maginnis then claimed that the Secretary of State had conducted discussions and agreed matters with the Irish Government outside the process and the Secretary of State again pointed out that this procedure was necessary as part of the backward and...

  People: Peter Brooke Reg Empey Ken Maginnis Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  3. On the procedural guidelines for the second strand, the Secretary of State said that he was grateful for the constructive attitude shown by the Alliance Party. The Unionists had suggested some amendments to the document which the Alliance Party had...

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  Staffing of Strand Two

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  The Alliance Party were welcome to take it away for consideration. [Note: the Alliance Party subsequently confirmed that they were content.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  7. Concluding the meeting, Mr Close repeated that the Alliance party would examine the paper on staffing.

  People: Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  17. Mr Robinson then queried the basis on which the Secretary of State would feel able to suggest that the process could move forward and the Secretary of State restated to him the wording on the subject contained in aide memoire of the 21 May...

  People: Peter Brooke Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  the Secretary of State said that it was possible the Unionists would react on the guidelines document later that day. He would then seek to determine whether the parties would be content for first strand plenaries to start before a chairman for the...

  People: Peter Brooke Seán Neeson Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 15:45
  TALKS SECRETARIAT [Editor's Note: The record ends without formal adjournment or further comment.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 03 Jun 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The letter from Mr Molyneaux and Dr Paisley is referred for discussion at a meeting of the Joint Unionist Delegations on 4 June.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh Also present Mr Pawson Joint Unionist Delegation Mr Cunningham Mr Robinson Mr Dodds Mr Empey Mr Maginnis Mr Wilson

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  The meeting began at 10.55 and ended at 11.35 am.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  Letter from the Joint Unionist Delegation Leaders to the Secretary of State 3 June 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  2. In answer to an invitation from the Secretary of State, Mr Robinson spoke to the letter. He said that it had been agreed by Mr Molyneaux and Dr Paisley and handed to the Minister of State the previous night. The Unionists were anxious to resolve the...

  People: Peter Brooke Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  to that end it confirmed in writing that they had endorsed the workplan for the first strand

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  and were content, subject to no Maryfield staff being nominated as note-takers, with the memorandum on staffing for the second strand.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  Of the three Dublin amendments to the guidelines for the second strand the Unionists had no quibble with what was proposed for paragraph 2.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  They were also prepared to accept the deletion of paragraph 15, subject to the understanding that issues relevant to the third strand could be raised in the final meeting of the second strand.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  4. Apart from these points, concluded Mr Robinson, the letter spoke for itself. The Unionist leaders had agreed that it should be discussed by the same team as had featured in the previous day's meeting.

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  Process to Agree Guidelines with the Irish, Alliance and the SDLP

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  In answer to questions from Mr Cunningham and Mr Robinson, the Secretary of State said that those parties had seen no drafts of the guidelines other than the original; he could not however comment on whether the SDLP might have been kept in touch by...

  People: Josias Cunningham Peter Robinson Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  3. However, continued Mr Robinson, paragraph 10 was problematical. He was not convinced that the Dublin amendment was an improvement; he preferred the original version. In particular, the word "regular" conveyed the wrong message. Mr Robinson urged the...

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  [Editor's Note: Discussion proceeds on the issues raised in the letter.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  Written Statement from the Secretary of State on the Venue for Strand 2

  People: Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  7. The Secretary of State replied that the position was straightforward. The 14 May document had been accepted by all except the Unionists. By 21 May the Unionists had delivered a response which asserted the substance of that document with two...

  People: Peter Robinson Ken Maginnis Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  Paragraph 10: Unionist Amendment to Clarify Venue

  People: Josias Cunningham Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  He would be happy to put in writing, copied to the Irish Government, that the relevant sentence in the 26 March statement applied to the second as well to the first strand. Mr Cunningham indicated that he would accept this offer. The Secretary of State...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  The Letter on Venue to be Available to the Chairman

  People: Josias Cunningham Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  12. Mr Cunningham asked whether these assurances would be in the form of a letter copied to the other parties; the Secretary of State replied that he would check with the other parties before he sent it to the Unionists. In answer to a further question...

  People: Josias Cunningham Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  [Editor's Note: Both delegations agree this approach.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  13. Mr Maginnis then referred to the final paragraph of the Unionists' letter and hoped that it would now be possible to begin plenary sessions in the first strand on the basis of the Secretary of State's suggestions for resolving the outstanding...

  People: Peter Brooke Ken Maginnis
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  The wording now proposed by the Unionists contained no reference to this commitment; he did not wish to reopen the issue with the Irish. In answer to a question from Mr Cunningham about whether the issue was now one of timing rather than location, the...

  People: Peter Robinson Reg Empey Ken Maginnis Peter Brooke Josias Cunningham
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  Confirmation about use of the Word "regular' and Notetakers for Strand 2.

  People: Peter Brooke Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  [Edtor's Note: The meeting concludes at this point.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  14. The atmosphere of the meeting was at times rather fraught and impatient, and there appeared to be a slight degree of confusion on the Unionist side as to the precise issues under discussion. SA MARSH Talks Secretariat

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  The meeting began at 12.05 and ended at 12.10pm.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  [Editor's Note: The Procedural Guidelines must now be made available to the Alliance and SDLP as outlined by the Secretary of State. In the event, he also seems to discuss them with the Irish Government again before making final changes and circulating...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 04 Jun 1991, 07:00
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (3 June 1991)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  Update on the Timescale and Letter to the Unionists

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  3. The Secretary of State brought the Alliance Party up to speed on developments.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  5. The meeting was extremely relaxed and good-humoured throughout. SA MARSH

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 05 Jun 1991, 07:00
  [Editor's Note: The version of the Procedural Guidelines produced at 1745 the previous evening is circulated to the parties for final approval.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (4 June 1991, 1745)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  2. In answer to an invitation from the Secretary of State, Dr Alderdice said that the Alliance Party's concern was to hurry things up. They had studied the document and had clarified where it was different from the earlier draft they had seen. They had...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  4. Dr Alderdice asked whether the guidelines had been accepted by Dublin. The Secretary of State replied in the affirmative, as he did to Mr Close's jocular question about whether the Unionists had accepted them.

  People: Peter Brooke Seamus Close John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 05 Jun 1991, 07:00
  Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (4 June 1991, 1745)

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 05 Jun 1991, 12:05
  He said that the document had been sent to the SDLP as well, and that he could not move forward until they had cleared it. At that stage he would want to address whether it would be possible to move to plenaries without final agreement on a Chairman...

  People: Peter Brooke John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 04 Jun 1991, 10:55
  [Editor's Note: There is a lack of clarity in the decision-making in this meeting. The letter from the Unionist leaders asked the Secretary of State to go back to the Irish Government with a request to reinstate the venues for Strand 2 in Paragraph 10....

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 19 Jun 1991, 10:36
  However, Dr Paisley maintained his stance commenting that the process was being deliberately slowed by others who did not want to work. Mr Molyneaux supported the UDUP leader's views, referring to a loss of momentum which he had consistently warned the...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  18. Mr Molyneaux observed that he was always reluctant to say "I told you so" but this meeting had not been a happy experiment. There did not appear to be much between the parties, and perhaps the Business Committee should consider the matter.

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  The Secretary of State replied that when the press statement was being drafted the previous evening, he had sought to find a neutral phrase. Dr Paisley observed that it had never intended to be taken literally. Dr Paisley went on to read out what he...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  before observing that the Alliance paper could not be taken by the Business Committee since it was outside its terms of reference and involved people who would not be present at it. The Secretary of State replied that members of the Business Committee...

  People: Peter Robinson Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  23. Although the meeting was brisk and pretty ill-tempered at times, the delegates left the room in a reasonably amicable fashion. S A Marsh

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  The UDUP noted that the morning plenary session had not endorsed the view of the Business Committee supporting a complete ban on such contact. But the UDUP remained ready, if all other parties were of the same mind, to ensure that no member of their...

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  On the wider aspects of the process, the SDLP did not believe that Strands One and Two could be completed before the necessary preparations for the 16 July IGC began. If parties to the Talks believed that the process and the issues which it was...

  People: Denis Haughey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  Agree a Second Gap at the IGC

  People: Denis Haughey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  Timetable for 25 June to 1 July

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  Neither the UDUP nor the UUP saw any difficulty with this suggestion. The former, though, said that those papers which were prepared ought to contain the candid views of the parties - if the parties were not willing to set out their views, the gap...

  People: Reg Empey Peter Robinson Denis Haughey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  Viability of Tabling Position Papers Without Immediate Prospect of Agreement

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  [Editor's Note: The Chairman has proposed that the matter should now be considered by the various parties.No objection is made to this consultation exercise, although the SDLP feels the proposal is unlikely to have the support of their party.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  Availability of the Independent Chairman

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  The meeting began at 1420 and concluded at 1550.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  Pause to Read the Document Followed by Discussion

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  [Editor's Note: No objection is raised.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  7. Mr Hume expressed concern at the format of the paper and the headings included. He had thought that the agreed procedure was to move from statements of position to examination of issues of general principle, after which structures would be examined....

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  Working Document: Constitutional Status

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  Constitutional Status: Unionist Amendment

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  Postpone Discussion of the Most Controversial Issues

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  Mr Trimble asked what Mr Hume meant by the most controversial issue. mr Hume replied that beginning with this issue, on which views were fundamentally divided, would cause difficulties.

  People: David Trimble John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  SDLP Affirm NI as Part of the UK

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  Mr Hume said that was clear from the SDLP paper.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  Constitutional Status: SDLP Amendment

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  The Secretary of State commented that the elements Mr Hume had identified could be tackled under Item 5 of the document.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:40
  Avoid Repeating Position Papers

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Business Committee Strand 1, Date: 25 Jun 1991, 10:00
  In the adjournment, members of the Business Committee joined the Plenary Session at 1605. During the recess for tea, they were to report back to the delegations on the suggestions put forward at the 1400 Business Committee meeting.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: All-Party Negotiations, Date: 01 Jul 1991, 14:20
  [Editor's Note: Discussion moves on from the media embargo.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Joseph Pilling
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Quentin Thomas
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Danny G McNeill
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: David Hill
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Stephen Pope
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Anthony J D Pawson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Seán Neeson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:20
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Simon Marsh
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Ken Lindsay
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Steve McBride
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 10:37
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Addie Morrow
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Mrs Bell

  People: Eileen Bell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Mr Dickson

  People: Stewart Dickson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 15:55
  Mr May

  People: Peter May
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:20
  Mervyn Jones

  People: Mervyn Jones
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 16:00
  Jonathan Rodell

  People: Jonathan Rodell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 14 May 1991, 16:50
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: E C Hallett
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  The Secretary of State and Mr Hanley met members of the Alliance Party delegation, led by Dr Alderdice, at lunchtime today.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Dr Alderdice was accompanied by Mr Morrow, Mr Close, Mrs Clark-Glass and Mr McBride. You, Mr Thomas, Mr Bell and I were also present. [Editor's Note: 'you' refers to Mr D J R Hill; 'I' refers to David Ferguson.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Alliance 21 October 1992

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Reasoning for Meeting

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Jack Allen
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Mary Clark-Glass
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  5. Turning to issues, [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Collapse of the Talks

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Problem of the SDLP

  People: Addie Morrow
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  9. Mr Close and Mrs Clark-Glass shared their colleagues' analysis. Mr Close said he believed that a Sunningdale Mark II could be sold to the Unionists but he feared that the whole process was beginning to unravel.

  People: Mary Clark-Glass Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  The Alliance delegation had worked hard with the Unionists to help them realise that they would need to move a good deal in order to reach an accommodation and that if they did not the future was bleak. They thought that they had been successful, as...

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Areas on which Negotiations Should Focus

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  It had lasted three quarters of an hour in the bar and had not been well constructed. Participants were himself, Dr Alderdice, and Mr Close for the Alliance, and Mr Hume, Mr Mallon and Mr Durkan for the SDLP. Mr Hume in particular had made some...

  People: Addie Morrow
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Problem of the Unionists

  People: Mary Clark-Glass
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  10. Responding, the Secretary of State said that he, too, shared Dr Alderdice's analysis, which he had found very helpful.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  The Unionists had indeed come along way and were clearly prepared to contemplate arrangements in Northern Ireland which would scarcely have been considered possible a number of months ago. They had also shown a willingness to embrace North/South...

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  The problem was that there was no effective leverage on the SDLP. If the talks failed, they would be content with the fall-back of direct rule and the Anglo-Irish Agreement. The Irish Government similarly had no need to move before the anticipated...

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Reluctance towards Strand I Arrangement

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  However, he also had a feeling that Mr Hume considered that opinion to be short sighted and that he was quite prepared to set it aside if it suited his purpose. For all that, he must surely know that his Strand I proposals were simply not feasible.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  12. As far as the DUP were concerned, the Secretary of State said that he, too, had found Mr Robinson more flexible than Dr Paisley and more willing to stay in the process.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  However, he feared the Irish Government's attitude and their reluctance to exert pressure on the SDLP, who were more interested in North/South institutions than on the internal government of Northern Ireland. There was a need to smoke people out until...

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Options in the Case of Talks Failing

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Persuading Mr Hume to Move

  People: David Hill Jeremy Hanley Patrick Mayhew Quentin Thomas
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Jeremy Hanley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: TO MERGE DO NOT USE (formerly D J R Hill)
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: David Ferguson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  He could become obstinate if, particularly in his present mood, he felt he was being put under pressure. Presenting him with a bleak scenario after failure would need to be balanced with a positive picture of what the nationalist community, the SDLP...

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  It would be a delicate job to persuade him that in present circumstances standing firm was not a measure of strength but of weakness.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  15. In thinking ahead to what might be done following a breakdown, Ministers and officials had touched on virtually every conceivable permutation. One possibility, for example, might be to publish a discussion document setting out the options for...

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Secretary of State to Leave the Meeting

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: He leaves.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  In the concluding 10 minutes of the meeting, Mr Hanley said that he entirely agreed that the prospects after breakdown were indeed bleak and that participants needed to be reminded of them. Mr Thomas added, however, that it was perhaps not surprising...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: Agreements reached at this session informed the agenda for further meetings with the other parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  17. The meeting ended on this upbeat note after an hour and a half, with both sides agreeing that it had been a very helpful clearing of the air. Signed DAVID FERGUSON Private Secretary

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Alliance 21 October 1992

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Mr Robinson, Mr Dodds, Mr Wilson and Ms Paisley of the DUP came to see the Secretary of State and Mr Hanley at 5.05pm on Friday, 23 October 1992. Mr Fell and I were also present. The meeting lasted for about 25 minutes.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  2. It was a subdued meeting with both sides showing a reluctance to risk any indiscretions.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Conclusions of the Bilateral DUP 23 October 1992 1705

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Amendment of Articles 2 and 3

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  [Editor's Note: This was so.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  North/South Institutions

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  The DUP had been astonished to hear that the UUP and the Alliance were apparently willing to contemplate executive power for north/south bodies which might have remit as wide as that of a whole Department such as Agriculture. As the DUP understood it...

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Unionist Representation

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Dialogue with UUP

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  The Secretary of State encouraged them to pursue that.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Sir Ninian's Position

  People: David Fell Jeremy Hanley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Mr Robinson said that he hoped that that was right, though if it was it was disturbing that Sir Ninian could have misunderstood the position so thoroughly. The DUP were still hoping that these "lunatic" ideas would be dropped and that the proposals...

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  The Secretary of State and Mr Hanley expressed satisfaction that the DUP had written. HMG had been a little concerned that, initially, it had been the only participant to submit papers to Sir Ninian.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Remaining Issues

  People: Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  9. In response to questions, the Secretary of State gave as his judgement both that the Irish were serious about securing agreement (and recognised that the amendment of Articles 2 and 3 was necessary for that) and that there was a prospect of the SDLP...

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  In conclusion the Secretary of State re-affirmed his view that it was very important to get the DUP fully back into the talks, if at all possible.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Signed W R Fittall Private Secretary

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  [Editor's Note: Agreements reached at this session informed the agenda for further meetings with the other parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 23 Oct 1992, 17:05
  Conclusions of the Bilateral DUP 23 October 1992 1705

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Peter May
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Jeremy Hanley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Mr Hanley held a meeting with Messrs Haughey, Farren, Durkan and Feeley and Mrs Rodgers yesterday afternoon. Messrs Fell and Thomas were also present.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  The meeting lasted about one and a quarter hours.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Conclusions of the Bilateral SDLP 28 October 1992 PM

  People: Peter May
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Position of the SDLP

  People: Peter May
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  There would be a hierarchy of decision making levels which at the lower level might allow Heads of Department (or members of a Commission) to act autonomously in agreement with their Irish counterparts without referral back to either legislature, but...

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  4. Heads of Department would not act in isolation from their respective legislative basis. The SDLP envisaged discussion before, and consultation after, any meeting with Ministers from the Republic. There would also be a Secretariat to service the...

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  5. The Council of Ministers envisaged by the SDLP would meet on a regular basis to address the whole horizon of North/South issues, and could, where appropriate, issue directives, on the EC model, with full legislative force which would then form...

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  [Editor's Note: This was so.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Avoiding Misunderstandings with the Unionists

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  and were encouraged to explain the full basis of their proposals so as to avoid possible misunderstandings with the Unionists. In particular, the checks and balances envisaged by the SDLP to prevent for example an SDLP Minister acting of his own bat...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Questioning on Strands I and II

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Possibility of Amendment to SDLP proposals for North/South Institutions

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  but argued this could be wrapped up with the change to Articles 2 and 3 where an agreement needs to be reached. The SDLP also envisaged a North/South inter-Parliamentary body which was very similar to the Unionists IIRC proposal. It would have the...

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Referral to the legislature could mean referral to a Commission or to an Assembly. (At this point Frank Feeley, who was not really at the races throughout the meeting, said that it could not be an Assembly.) This would make an enormous different to...

  People: Sean Farren SDLP Representative Frank Feely
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Collective Responsibility

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  They were concerned that the UUP had not addressed the issue, and seemed unwilling to sign up to such a proposal on the grounds that it approximated to power-sharing. Mr Thomas pointed out the Strand I sub-Committee contained a number of hints that...

  People: British Government Representative Quentin Thomas SDLP Representative Denis Haughey
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  10. At the end of the meeting it was agreed that a further meeting between the SDLP and officials would take place on Thursday. The SDLP were also to continue their series of meetings with the UUP. signed Peter May PETER MAY

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  [Editor's Note: Agreements reached at this session informed the agenda for further meetings on this topic.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 28 Oct 1992, 15:00
  Conclusions of the Bilateral SDLP 28 October 1992 PM

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Sammy Wilson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Mr Fell, Mr Thomas, Mr Cooke and I met with the SDLP delegation for three-quarters of an hour earlier today. The SDLP were represented by Messrs Haughey, Farren, Durhan, Feeley and McClelland and Mrs Rodgers.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: The meeting begins.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Conclusions of the Bilateral SDLP 29 October 1992

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  HMG's Position on Strand II

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: HMG gives their position.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Meeting SDLP Concerns

  People: SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  5. The SDLP said this would be a helpful formulation to use, as it showed an understanding of nationalist position.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Material for UUP Bilaterals

  People: David Fell SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  That would be short of a formal declaration which might not sit well in the current phase of the talks.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Strand II Executive Authority

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Mr Fell explained the British Government would have no major role in the institutions which resulted from Strand II, although it could envisage being involved in some subjects arising in the institutions of Strand II. It had therefore taken the...

  People: British Government Representative David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Mr Fell explained that HMG had not argued on its own behalf that Articles 2 and 3 should be amended, but had merely made an objective comment that it found it difficult to see how any settlement could be reached without amendment. If the SDLP made...

  People: David Fell Quentin Thomas
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  The SDLP accepted that there was a linkage, and seemed to acknowledge it would need to be addressed sooner rather than later. They said they would put this point to Mr Hume and Mr Mallon on their return tomorrow (Friday).

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 21 Oct 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Absence of Collective Responsibility

  People: British Government Representative SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Mr Fell stressed the Strand I Sub-Committee Report was not a Unionist report but an attempt to maximise areas of convergence. The proposals were incomplete, and not just incomplete from the SDLP's point of view. The role of the Panel within the...

  People: David Fell Quentin Thomas
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: There is agreement on the absence of collective responsibility in the Sub-Committee Report and the need for this to be addressed.] This was another area in which the Sub-Committee Report was incomplete.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Strand I: Nationalist Identity

  People: Brid Rodgers
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Mr Fell outlined the proportionality arrangements, with weighted majority and trigger mechanisms as safeguards, and the existence of a Panel which would operate only on the basis of unanimity. This latter point had only been raised by the SDLP and had...

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: Mrs Rodgers' question is addressed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  The meeting ended with the SDLP acknowledging the need to examine such issues further, and to draw leaders into the debate before further substantive progress could be made. signed: PETER MAY

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: Agreements reached at this session informed the agenda for further meetings on this topic.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Conclusions of the Bilateral SDLP 29 October 1992

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  1. As you know, I met Dr Alderdice and four of his Alliance Party colleagues (Mr Morrow, Mr Neeson, Mr McBride and Mrs Clark-Glass) at their request this morning [Editor's Note: 'I' refers to D Fell, and 'you' refers to Mr Thomas.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  to hear their views on the present position in the Talks.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Alliance 27 October 1992

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Security Issue

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  9. Mr Fell suggested that one area for consideration was some symbolic recognition of the nationalist identity. The SDLP said that substance was most important to them, but agreed that the symbols could play a large part in selling any deal to their...

  People: David Fell Mark Durkan SDLP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  and in particular on the SDLP proposition that the RUC be split into a "Civil Crime" and "Anti-terrorist" wing, the first coming within the ambit of a new NI Administration, and the second within the ambit of a new North/South Institution. Alliance see...

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Security Issue: Alliance Proposal I

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Security Issue: Alliance Proposal II

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  4. On the first of these proposals, I responded that while this was properly a matter for experts to consider, I thought it likely that there could be difficulties of both principle and practice - for example, I ventured to suggest that intelligence...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  On their second proposal - the creation of a Department of Criminal Justice - I indicated that while HMG might not agree with Alliance on the detail, we would not see major difficulties of principle and indeed could see some merit in the idea....

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: Positions are noted and the discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Strand I

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  I told him that nothing was ever certain, but that we had detected indications - no more than that - that in the right circumstances, with other aspects, particularly of the North/South institutions, falling into place, John Hume could well be ready to...

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: Dr Alderdice's concerns are addressed.] Alderdice took surprising comfort from this.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Extending the Talks

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  I assured them that we were already turning our minds to these issues.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] [Signed DF] DAVID FELL

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: Agreements reached at this session informed the agenda for further meetings on this with the other parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 27 Oct 1992, 09:00
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Alliance 27 October 1992

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: Jeremy Hanley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: William Fittall
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  The Secretary of State was extremely grateful for the briefing which you prepared at short notice yesterday evening. Dr Paisley came to see the Secretary of State at 8.15 am today. He was accompanied by Mr Robinson, Mr Dodds, Mr Vitty, Mr Wilson and...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  2. The meeting lasted for 20 minutes and was conducted in a friendly and low-key way.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  DUP Statement 13 October 1992

  People: DUP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  Conclusions of the Bilateral DUP 13 October 1992 0815

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: To represent when the Government Team speaks as a delegation.]

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: To represent when the DUP speaks as a delegation.]

  People: DUP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: To represent when the UUP speaks as a delegation.]

  People: UUP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  Issue of Ireland Institutions

  People: Ian Paisley Peter Robinson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  The DUP had been alarmed by some of the statements which Mr Maginnis had made in committee last week where he appeared to envisage individual Ministers from Northern Ireland and from the Republic being able to agree joint action without reference to...

  People: Peter Robinson DUP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  4. In response to a question from Mr Fell designed to tease out the different meanings of the phrase "joint authority", Dr Paisley confirmed that the DUP had no difficulty about the idea of joint consultative arrangements, within a British/ Irish...

  People: David Fell Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  6. The Secretary of State and Mr Hanley took note of what the DUP said and avoided being drawn into discussion.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  Not Continuing in the Talks

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  The Secretary of State took note.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  [Editor's Note: Agreements reached at this session informed the agenda for further meetings with the other parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  [Editor's Note: The document is copied into the Office of the Chairman.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Signed W R FITTALL Private Secretary

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  Conclusions of the Bilateral DUP 13 October 1992 0815

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  DUP Statement 13 October 1992

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: They join the session.]

  People: David Ford
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 Oct 1992, 08:15
  5. Other points which the DUP made were that: - while the DUP could not accept freestanding north/south institutions they could accept "compartmentalised" arrangements within an overall UK/ROI structure; - the DUP offered the thought that what they...

  People: DUP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Mr Hanley met representatives of the Alliance Party comprising Messrs Close, Neeson, Morrow, McBride, Ford and Mrs Clark—Glass for about 50 minutes yesterday lunchtime. Mr Fell, Mr D J R Hill and I were also present. [Editor's Note: 'I' refers to Peter May.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Alliance 3 November 1992

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Concerns Regarding Talks

  People: Seamus Close
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: The state of the Talks is clarified.] Mr Hanley explained that the PDs had adjourned their meeting to decide on the fate of the Government until Thursday. Irish Ministers would need at some point to make known their ability to continue...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Concerns Regarding Heads of Agreement

  People: Addie Morrow
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: The Alliance's concerns are addressed.] Mr Hanley sought to convince the Alliance that it was still important to maximise what could be achieved from the talks process, leaving Sir Ninian to decide when no further progress could be...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Handling the End of the Talks Process

  People: Seán Neeson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  6. Mr Neeson said Bobby Molloy had told them last week that it was in the minds of the Progressive Democrats that they should not collapse the government if that impaired the Northern Ireland Talks process. (The reason being given for the postponement...

  People: British Government Representative Seán Neeson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Handling the End of the Talks Process: Deadline

  People: Jeremy Hanley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  The Alliance were sceptical, believing that the effect of the deadline had been dissipated by the Irish Government crisis. The impetuous to negotiate would no longer be there.

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Mr Fell, responding to Alliance concerns about the lack of a deadline, suggested any reconvened talks might only allow a further four weeks discussion to ensure minds were concentrated. That would provide an opportunity for an accommodation to be...

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  The Alliance were uncertain as to whether all the parties could be delivered on such a basis. The fear was that the DUP would only return to the table if they had a prior commitment from the Irish Government to amend Articles 2 & 3. [Editor's Note:...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  7. The Alliance reported they had had a positive meeting with the SDLP on Monday in which Seamus Mallon had been involved, although not John Hume. The Alliance continued to find the concept of elected Commissioners untenable, not least because if these...

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Mr Fell explained that if there were to be an election in the Republic, the talks could either be brought to a halt simply on that basis without further explanation to the public, or via a statement outlining a platform for a possible resumption of the...

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  8. In a lengthy discussion about the handling of the end of this talks process, the Alliance argued there was no point disguising failure. Blame would need to be apportioned so the electorate could see what had held the process back. The Alliance, in...

  People: Alliance Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  The Alliance remained convinced that one could not sell failure as success, and ought not to try. [Editor's Note: This is noted and the meeting ends.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  (Comment: this is a reversion to a long standing Alliance theme in which they demonstrate how reasonable they have been in contrast to the other parties. After the 1991 talks had concluded, Alderdice was frequently critical of the other parties, to the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  [Editor's Note: Agreements reached at this session informed the agenda for further meetings with the other parties.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 03 Nov 1992, 12:30
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Alliance 3 November 1992

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  The Secretary of State met Mr Molyneaux and Dr Paisley at 2.45 pm in his room at the House of Commons this afternoon. The meeting lasted for 50 minutes. Mr Chilcot and I were also present. [Editor's Note: 'I' refers to W R Fittall]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: The meeting begins.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Unionist 5 November 1992 1445

  People: British Government Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Heads of Delegations Meeting

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Making Progress

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  6. In response Mr Molyneaux said that he accepted that the "ship should not go dead in the water" but he had come to the conclusion that summitry had been pushed to the limits. Something more practical was now needed. 7. Agreeing, Dr Paisley said...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  8. The Secretary of State said that he was sure that the Irish would wish to hold to the agreement reached between the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach for an IGC on 16 November. The Unionist refusal to hold talks other than in an intermission between...

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Making Progress: Re-Starting Talks

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  9. Mr Molyneaux and Dr Paisley both said that they did not believe that they could carry their people with them on this. It would, said Mr Molyneaux, be seen as a "con job". Moreover it was not just a question of Unionist theology over IGCs. There was...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Making Progress: Unionist Objectives

  People: Patrick Mayhew John Chilcot
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Mr Molyneaux and Dr Paisley responded in slightly different ways. Mr Molyneaux assented when the Secretary of State referred him back to his radio interview of a few weeks ago when he had linked the commitment to the successful outcome of the talks. Dr...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  12. Dr Paisley and Mr Molyneaux ended this part of the exchanges by saying that if it was helpful they were prepared to draft a statement of their position on the point.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  13. Continuing the Secretary of State said that he understood what the Unionists had said but was concerned that there was a serious risk of leaving the people of Northern Ireland with the view that the talks had failed. There had to be some way of...

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  14. Mr Molyneaux agreed with this. The four Northern Ireland parties could talk with the Secretary of State at any time, including while an Irish general election was in progress, though, in response to a question from the Secretary of State, he...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Making Progress: Re-Starting Talks - Consultations

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  17. Mr Molyneaux said that he accepted this but until the Irish general election was over there could be nothing more definite than consultations. 18. Developing this idea Mr Chilcot wondered whether it would be possible for the process after the...

  People: John Chilcot Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  19. Mr Molyneaux said that he saw attractions in that but Dr Paisley said that he could not go along with "consultations" if they were to occur at Stormont. That would simply appear as if the talks were continuing at before. There would have to be...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: The positions are noted and discussion moves on.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: This part of the discussion ends.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Statement of Progress

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  21. The Unionist leaders said that they were not against this in principle though they thought it would be difficult to agree a common text. Dr Paisley said that if there was to be an agreed text it would be much better if it included a statement of...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Sustaining the Talks

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  21. The Secretary of State said that he saw the force of the argument for keeping the talks going until Tuesday, with him then making a statement to the House of Commons on Wednesday. This might not be convenient for Irish Ministers but they ought to...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  24. Returning to the idea of a statement of common ground achieved, Dr Paisley and Mr Molyneaux said that they had both been disappointed by the lack of progress in agreeing common ground on constitutional issues. Then the Secretary of State's Bangor...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  25. Summing up the discussion the Secretary of State re-affirmed his wish to secure a positive statement upon the completion of the talks.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  A Form of Words

  People: Patrick Mayhew
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Dr Paisley and Mr Molyneaux both said that they thought that it might be premature for a text to be circulated tomorrow if talks were to continue after the weekend.

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  The Secretary of State said that he would reflect on this. It would probably take more than one day to agree a text.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] SIGNED W R FITTALL PS/SECRETARY OF STATE OAB EXTN 6462 5 NOVEMBER 1992

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: Agreements reached at this session informed the agenda for further meetings on this topic.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 05 Nov 1992, 14:45
  Conclusions of the Bilateral Unionist 5 November 1992 1445

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 12 Dec 1991, 16:00
  Discussion about SDLP Participation in Talks

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 12 Dec 1991, 16:00
  Secretary of State's Objectives for 12th December Bilateral Meeting

  People: Jim Nicholson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 12 Dec 1991, 16:00
  Discussion on Strand 1 and the General Election

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 12 Dec 1991, 16:00
  Proposition for Intervals of Freshs Talks

  People: Jim Nicholson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 12 Dec 1991, 16:00
  Mr Molyneaux said that he would have a problem with automatically continuing talks if a different government were to be elected. The Secretary of State said that the assumption would be that the present government would be returned.

  People: Jim Nicholson Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 21 May 1991, 11:30
  [Editors note: The meeting adjourns.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 Jun 1991, 14:37
  Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PS/Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R Hill Mr Pope Also present Mr Pawson Joint Unionist Delegation Mr Maginnis Mr Robinson Mr Cunningham Mr Dodds Mr...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 29 Oct 1992, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having been present.]

  People: David Cooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: No decisions are taken, but the meeting record notes suggestions which the Secretary of State will take forward in further discussions,]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: No decisions are taken, but the meeting record notes suggestions which the Secretary of State will take forward in further discussions,]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 12 Dec 1991, 16:00
  Outcomes Agreed to Concerning Intervals of Fresh Talks

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 30 Apr 1991, 14:40
  [Editor's Note: The government's intentions are noted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Positions on the key issues are noted although not necessarily agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Positions on the key issues are noted although not necessarily agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: Positions on the key issues and the agreement of any settlement are noted although not necessarily agreed and the discussion moves on to Item 5 on the agenda.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  5(c) Order of Party Statements

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  5(c) Statements in Alphabetical Order

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  and that based on what Dr Paisley had said on a previous occasion about the proper title of his party he intended to call on him third.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State makes a decision as Chairman on the order of presentations. No further objections are made.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  24. The Secretary of State said that the Unionist delegation had made their points forcibly just as the SDLP had done on Tuesday. [Editor's Note: The Unionist position is noted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: The Unionist position is noted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  1(e) Statement to the Press

  People: UUP Representative
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 03 May 1991, 10:30
  [Editor's Note: It was agreed.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  9. Mr Hume said that the Unionists should understand that Governments also had their constituencies. It would be much easier to effect change in matters such as Articles 2 and 3 if all sides showed good will. The Unionists were raising obstacle after...

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  11. The Secretary of State said that he had detected no groundswell of support for a European location.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  A Neutral Venue

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  A Neutral Venue Not Possible

  People: John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:20
  Locations Outside the British Isles

  People: John Alderdice
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 11:20
  The Secretary of State replied that a venue outside the British Isles would have the attraction of neutrality but that there would be significant complications, not least because it would entail the removal from Northern Ireland of a number of people...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 08 May 1991, 07:00
  Conclusions of Meeting with Alliance on 7 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Secretary of State's Summary of the Position on the Afternoon of 8 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  Mr Hume confirmed that he would be willing to do so. Mr Haughey recalled that Mr Hume had only confirmed that the SDLP proposal was specific to London and Dublin and had indicated a readiness to consider other specific suggestions.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 14:45
  [Editor's Note: SDLP proposals are noted.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 16:23
  7. Mr Molyneaux, speaking calmly, thanked the Secretary of State for his summary of the position. He said he thought the proposal which had been put "would commend itself" but asked for time for reflection. He added that on an initial assessment it...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Secretary of State To Resolve The Matter

  People: Seamus Mallon
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 07 May 1991, 10:50
  Discussion of John Taylor's Remarks

  People: Peter Brooke John Hume
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 12:18
  [Editor's Note: The Unionists wish this proposal to be noted and discussed with the SDLP.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Alliance Talks, Date: 08 May 1991, 17:20
  Location of Strand 2: Written Proposal from British Government

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  No Northern Ireland Venue For Talks

  People: Ian Paisley William McCrea
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 09 May 1991, 15:45
  [Editor's Note: The Unionist position is noted for the record.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Articles 2 and 3

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  8. The Secretary of State said that the previous Friday he had disabused the Irish Government about Unionist pre-conditions in respect of Articles 2 and 3. The Unionist statement on Saturday may have undone some of this as it could be taken as...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  9. Dr Mawhinney asked whether it would be sufficient at the first meeting in London if the Irish government affirmed that they regarded Articles 2 and 3 as a legitimate issue for discussion in the Strand 2 discussions.

  People: Brian Mawhinney
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Role of Bilateral Meetings

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  The Difficulties Caused By Public Statements

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Mr Molyneaux said that Mr Trimble had made statements without his authority. Dr Paisley said that he had told his people that if they appeared on television they would not be part of his team. Mr Maginnis had made himself a laughing stock by saying...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  15. The Secretary of State asked where the meetings would take place.

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  The Secretary of State commented that the proposal sounded analogous to the Unionist desire to use bilaterals in Strand 1 to find out whether there was enough of a common agenda to make it worthwhile going forward. 10. Dr Mawhinney said that in...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley Brian Mawhinney Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  14. The Secretary of State asked what the Unionists had in mind in moving from the opening meeting into bilateral. Dr Paisley responded how the Unionists needed to know that there was common ground on the agenda. He was assuming that the Republic would...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  16. The Secretary of State said that if in fact the Talks were to move from bilateral to plenaries, at that stage the Unionists' previous position (that these should take place on the Continent) was massively inconvenient. On the first day, all had...

  People: Peter Brooke Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Unionist Paper Shared With The Secretary of State

  People: Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  Location of Plenary Sessions

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  This omission was rectified with a comment from Mr Molyneaux that nothing should be said about its origins.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 13 May 1991, 11:00
  13. Mr Molyneaux commented that they seemed accidentally to have identified rather larger issues than were intended at this stage. He had three groups developing papers: on Articles 2 and 3; internal structure in Northern Ireland; and a new Anglo-Irish...

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 14 May 1991, 07:00
  Meeting Adjournment

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  [Editor's Note: The communication from the Unionist leaders rejects the proposal of the Secretary of State.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  Bilateral Exchange Of Letters: Unionist Response To Secretary Of State 16 May 1991

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  Bilateral Exchange Of Letters: Secretary Of State Reply To Unionist Leaders 16 May 1991

  People: Peter Brooke
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 16 May 1991, 09:00
  Bilateral Exchange Of Letters: Letter From Tony Pawson To Unionist Leaders 17 May 1991

  People: Anthony J D Pawson
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 15 May 1991, 12:00
  [Editor's Note: A letter from the Secretary of State to the two leaders on 16 May (modelled in the following session) indicates that the Prime Minister, the Secretary of State, Dr Paisley, and Mr Molyneaux were all present at this meeting. There may...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 15 May 1991, 12:00
  The Prime Minister

  People: John Major
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 15 May 1991, 12:00
  Press Release: Unionist Statement of 15 May

  People: Ian Paisley Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  [Editor's Note: The positions on the appointment of the independent chairman are noted before discussion moves on to the terms of reference.]

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  Dr Paisley noted that the proposal for the meeting in Dublin had moved away from the initial transitional meeting between Strands Two and Three to be described as taking place towards "the end of June". He was not happy with this change.

  People: Ian Paisley
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  7. Mr Molyneaux then re-emphasised the Unionists' wish that the other parties have sight of their position paper. He said that if last Monday's paper had been treated in such a way, they would have noted the advance it made, and prevented some of the...

  People: William McCrea Jim Molyneaux
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Unionist Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 15:27
  The Secretary of State suggested that this issue be returned to at a later point.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation), Date: 20 May 1991, 07:00
  Joint Unionist Position Paper 20 May 1991

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  FROM: P N BELL, AUS(L) 4 September 1992 Mr Thomas cc PS/Secretary of State (L&B) PS/Mr Hanley (L&B) PS/PUS (L&B) PS/Mr Fell Mr Alston Mr Watkins Mr Cooke Mr Maccabe Mr Petch Mr Brooker Mr Archer, RID HMA, Dublin TALKS: MR FLYNN Chiefly for the...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  Acknowledge the Necessity of Political Settlement to Facilitate Security Cooperation to Defeat the IRA

  People: Pádraig Flynn
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  [Editor's Note: Pádraig Flynn was present at this meeting.]

  People: Pádraig Flynn
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  (We all agreed; Mr Flynn may even have been slightly surprised that we saw matters in this light ourselves).

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  It would be tragic, therefore, he went on, if Dr Paisley chose to frustrate a settlement mouthing 'No Surrender' to the last, rather than go down in history as the man who lead his people into a new, peaceful era.

  People: Pádraig Flynn
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  [Editor's Note: Peter Bell was present at this meeting.]

  People: Peter Bell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  [Editor's Note: David Fell was present at this meeting.]

  People: David Fell
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  [Editor's Note: David Hill was present at this meeting.]

  People: David Hill
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  Chiefly for the benefit of copy recipients who have not heard the story before, I ought to report a conversation which Mr Flynn had with Mr Fell, Mr D J R Hill and myself in the margins of yesterday's sub-Committee.

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  Common Law and Common Courts on the Island of Ireland

  People: Pádraig Flynn
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  (Hmm. But that doesn't invalidate the main part of Mr Flynn's thesis).

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  Rebuke of Mr Hanley

  People: Pádraig Flynn
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-Irish Bilateral Talks, Date: 03 Sep 1992, 12:00
  4. As several other people have now mentioned, Mr Flynn's contribution on the floor, as well as his asides in private, have been more constructive this week than those of any of his colleagues. This, Mr Thorp tells me today, is also recognised amongst...

  
  
• Northern Ireland Brooke/Mayhew Talks 1991-1992, Committee: British-SDLP Talks, Date: 20 May 1991, 12:10
  The Secretary of State went on to conclude the meeting by saying that the position between HMG and the SDLP was a very clear one, and that he would see the Unionists that afternoon. He might also need to consult the SDLP again before the end of the...