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This project models the series of formal and informal negotiations which led to the publication, in December 1993, of a declaration issued jointly by the British and Irish Governments. The Joint Declaration was a critical policy document which paved the way for a ceasefire and the entry of Sinn Féin into formal talks. It also laid out a shared set of principles – including, crucially, self-determination for the people of Ireland subject to the consent of the people of Northern Ireland – which would come to underpin the Belfast Good Friday Agreement and provide a framework for its ratification.
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Dermot Nally Collection
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Committee: British Government
Framework Agreement Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Speaking Notes on JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
SECRET & PERSONAL Meeting with Cabinet Secretary Butler – 13 June 1993. Taoiseach, As arranged, I met Sir Robin Butler for approximately 1 1/4 hours in London yesterday. Butler said that the Prime Minister had not yet settled, with his colleagues,... Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: 'As arranged, I met Sir Robin Butler for approximately 1 1/4 hours in London yesterday'.] Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Contacts Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Talks Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Articles 2 & 3 Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Butler said that the British Government's policy was to try and get the talks resumed again. They were "the only show in town". They were willing to pursue all the tracks to an accord. The structure of the talks was not fixed and could be changed... Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
On Articles 2 and 3 – the British did not expect an unilateral modification. They were quite happy with the Tánaiste's recent indication that if satisfactory agreement were reached, then the Unionists could expect some proportionate modification in the... Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Role of John Hume Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
I said that my understanding was that while he had been in on the initial talks, the streams might now be diverging and we would not be at all sure of Hume's standing in the discussion. His relationship with Sinn Fein was quite delicate. I emphasised... Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Signature] _____________ Dermot Nally, 15 June, 1993. Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Against this background, the document which Butler had was of considerable importance. I stressed that it was not simply the outcome of deliberations within Sinn Fein. From what we were told, the Provo Army Council was behind it as well and fully... Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The court case on the constitutionality of the Anglo-Irish Agreement had depended, in part, on the use of the word "would" rather than the word "could" in the Agreement – in reference to consent. The Provo document said that consent "must" be obtained... Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The Sinn Fein document presented many difficulties in its present form and their view was that it just was not a practicable proposition. Butler was not saying that they rejected the document because of the talks process. They were saying simply that... Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Experts in the Northern Ireland Office had gone over the document but Minsters together had not had a chance of considering it yet. The Prime Minister would be consulting the NIO Secretary of State in particular on it before the meeting with the... Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The time for discussion was now nearing its end. Butler summarised the British position as follows:— (1) The Prime Minister would discuss the proposals with his colleagues; (2) He sympathised with the objectives of the document and recognised the... Sunday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
SUBJECT TO VERIFICATION SECRET & PERSONAL Tete-a-Tete Meeting Between Taoiseach and Prime Minister Major The meeting took place on 16th June in the Cabinet Room, Downing Street, and lasted just over half-an-hour. Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Apart from the principals, it was attended by Cabinet Secretary Butler, Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[...] and the under-signed. Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[...] the Prime Minister's Private Secretary Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Comment on Opinion Poll Ratings of World Leaders Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Apart from the principals, it was attended by Cabinet Secretary Butler, the Prime Minister's Private Secretary and the under-signed. Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said that he had noted that phenomenon, particularly in relation to Kohl. When the Berlin Wall fell, Kohl's rating was very high but, within about six months or so, he had fallen to the bottom of the scale. The Prime Minister went on to... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Unemployment, Aer Lingus, and Political Issues Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Update on Northern Ireland Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said there were a number of points he would like to make. Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Talks Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
A certain ideological organisation had made approaches to him, about which he had initially been very sceptical. At the same time, he was very anxious to stop the violence – either that was on the table or he was not interested. Finally, a paper had... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said he was glad to hear of the Taoiseach's continuing support for the talks. Paisley was not at his most cooperative – but we must "keep hope alive". Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
They were extremely grateful to the Taoiseach for letting me brief Butler so fully on the whole background to the new text. The Prime Minister felt that it was important we should know clearly the British view of the text – First, it was a very... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
They had looked at the text with the very helpful aide memoire which accompanied it. What struck them most about it was what was not in the text – it was a case of the dog that did not bark. Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
We have to be careful about the sensitivities of the Unionists and the sensitivities of the House of Commons, so far as they were concerned the text falls down because (1) as it stood, they felt, it would not be remotely acceptable to the Unionists.... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Include John Chilcot in the Negotiating Team Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Role of John Hume Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
In short, the draft was not bearable as it stands but he felt we could try to keep the progress going – there was a huge prize if "it can be done". For him, the test must be how would the document be received by the Cabinet?, by the House of Commons?,... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Include Seán Ó hUiginn in the Negotiating Team Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister implicitly agreed to this proposal, and John Chilcot and Seán Ó hUiginn were duly brought into the negotiating teams.] Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Negotiate on JD6 Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
On John Hume, he had talks on and off for some time, certainly since 1988. The Taoiseach was not sure that he could be trusted 100% on this particular issue. John Hume is John Hume and sometimes acts as a solo merchant. The clergymen don't trust him... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
When he had got the original draft, he had rejected areas which he knew would not be remotely acceptable. On the idea of joint self-determination, to which the Prime Minister had referred, the Taoiseach had floated this idea in a speech some time ago... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
There was no fixed agenda for a united Ireland: certainly no limit as to time. The Unionists had said that if IRA violence stopped then they would stop. They have said that often enough. If the others say they will stop their violence, then, if we got... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that this was a matter for the Taoiseach and himself. Neither of them could negotiate with the paramilitaries – and that must be completely clear. Perhaps we could go ahead as we had agreed. Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
At this point – approximately 6.40pm – the meeting was joined by Foreign Secretary Hurd, Secretary of State Mayhew, Chilcot, Ambassador Blatherwick and the Irish side for the start of the plenary session. Separate notes are available on this. A... Wednesday June 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Nally was the main Irish contact for the Joint Declaration initiative.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Irish Government
Some Briefing Points on the Draft Declaration Tuesday June 1993Committee: Irish Government
Annotations to the Aide-Mémoire from the Irish Government Accompanying JD6 Thursday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
SECRET Report of Meeting at the Cabinet Office, London, July 14, 1993 1. Mr. R. Butler was accompanied by Mr. J. Chilcot. Mr. D. Nally was accompanied by the undersigned. The meeting lasted about 2 hours, over an office lunch. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
1. Mr. R. Butler was accompanied by Mr. J. Chilcot. Mr. D. Nally was accompanied by the undersigned. The meeting lasted about 2 hours, over an office lunch. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Confidentiality Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Not Representing the IRA Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
(The British side fully acknowledged this point.) Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
8. Butler asked about the relationship between this initiative and the Hume/Adams talks. The Irish side explained the Taoiseach was greatly concerned to maintain confidentiality. Clearly the key issues had to be dealt with between the Taoiseach and the... Wednesday July 1993Committee: British Government
British Government: Ten Principles Wednesday July 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This list of principles was handed over to the Irish Government during a meeting held at lunchtime on 14 July 1993.] 18. Towards the close of the meeting Chilcot handed over ten principles (attached; essentially an anthology of stated... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government: Ten Principles Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Report on the Meeting Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
20. Butler said he considered it had been illuminating on both sides. He hoped the British view would be reported to the Taoiseach as one "not of blind intransigence" and that they had taken a constructive approach. They had used the meeting to... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Timing Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Hold a Further Meeting between Parliamentary Recess and Butler's Holidays Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
There was tentative agreement that a further meeting might be envisaged between Parliamentary recess (last week of July) and Butler's holidays (last three weeks of August). Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Comment The British side showed great reticence and hesitation on the underlying idea, a number of very obviously genuine undertainties [sic] on details, and a very clear desire to be considered "constructive" and to keep discussion in play. This... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
22. Asked by Nally how the meeting might be summarised for the interlocutors, Butler suggested it might be said "there had been serious discussions". Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This document was circulated.] Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Convey Objections Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this proposal.] Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Not a Drafting Session Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
19. Nally made clear they had not come for a drafting exercise. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
Martin Mansergh to Convey Gist of British Commentary Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
The main point is that the British will not accept the document as a draft on which they will work – but they may, in time, come to accept the principles on which it is based. However, before we reach that point, the objections they make must be taken... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
I am at present in London but will be available in Dublin from Thursday, 22 July. Dermot Nally 14 July, 1993. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government: Ten Principles Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
Notes on Recent Meeting Friday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
SECRET Meeting in Cabinet Office, London 4th August, 1993 1. The meeting began at 3.00 pm and lasted approximately one and a half hours. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Present were Sir R. Butler, Mr. J. Chilcot, Mr. D. Nally and M. S. O hUiginn. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
SECRET Dinner with Mr. John Chilcot I had dinner in London with Mr. John Chilcot on 29 July. Although the occasion was a social one, our conversation naturally turned repeatedly to Northern Ireland. Thursday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Maastricht Vote Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Select Committee Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Proceed with JD6 Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
8. O hUiggin said there was a deeper question. The present initiative, whatever its details, inevitably involved grasping nettles and political risk. Had Mr. Major lost the capacity or the room for manoeuvre to do that? Chilcot said it was a "two-way... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He stressed the difference between a Select Committee and a policy initiative by the Government. Differences about intergovernmental relationships could be managed, but taking issue with the House of Commons was less retrievable. For the Irish... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He hoped by Autumn the two Governments would have resumed a political agenda based on the three stranded approach and Mayhew would say something to this effect before the weekend. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
9. Butler reverted to the question whether recent events made this initiative a "dead duck". No-one had suggested that to them. He felt the situation remained as before. The Government could go ahead only if the proposition was defensible and the words... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He asked the British side how they interpreted the recent events. 5. Butler said he understood the concerns. There had also been scepticism in the British press about a deal. No official had taken part in the negotiations but they had been briefed,... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
7. O hUiginn pointed out that a perception of a pro-unionist tilt by the British Government would give an added symbolic charge to anything done to meet the unionist agenda. There would be inevitable public pressures on the Irish Government to address... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Chilcot said there were vastly different political weights attached to this initiative and a Select Committee. The former was very big indeed. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Nally stressed the kudos which would be attached to achieving peace in Northern Ireland and ending the violence which had been endemic in Northern Ireland ever since its foundation. Chilcot said it was the paramilitaries, and no-one else, who were... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Suggest Amendments to JD6 Now Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Chilcot said it would be essential for the text to make clear that no single outcome was inevitable. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
11. Butler said that to suggest new wording went beyond their instructions. They could say what was not acceptable. They did not wish to be drawn into saying "that's better" and thereby committing the British Government to something they were still... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government to Continue Drafting Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Thomas to Elaborate on JD6 Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
14. O hUiginn said that further authoritative elaboration of the British position could only be helpful. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Nally recalled that a Summit was scheduled before the end of the year and there would be a need to consider its outcome. Butler said they "could not jump yet". They would of course need to know before such a meeting if the Prime Ministers were likely... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government to Confirm that Positive Reaction from Unionism Cannot Be Expected Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Butler said that that particular filter was not in their plan. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Chilcot said Mayhew would very shortly be affirming the British Government remained attached to the three-stranded analysis. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Hold a Further Meeting on 10 September 1993 Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: 'it was agreed'.] Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Sean O hUiginn 6 August, 1993 Wednesday August 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
However it would be misleading to think this great objective could be achieved as it were, "for free". Unless there was a willingness to revisit the dilemmas of the 1920s in an innovative way it was unlikely that this initiative could come to fruition.... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Aide-Mémoire from the Irish Government Accompanying JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Ò hUginn and Chilcot discussed Northern Ireland and the Joint Declaration initiative over dinner.] Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Ò hUginn and Chilcot discussed Northern Ireland and the Joint Declaration initiative over dinner.] Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I had dinner in London with Mr. John Chilcot on 29 July. [...] Seán Ó hUiginn Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Nally-Butler Discussions 2. Chilcot projected a strong message that this particular agenda had not been "estopped", as he put it, by the new Tory/Unionist relationship. It remained of great interest to his principals, including, he stressed, to Sir... Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Chilcot to Confirm Butler-Nally Meeting on 4 August 1993 Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He said he would endeavour to confirm a meeting on 4th August for a further Nally-Butler meeting to take forward the discussion. Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
4. I again urged the importance of the initiative, and the significance the Taoiseach attached to it. Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Talks Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Select Committee Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Meeting Between Dick Spring and Patrick Mayhew in September Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Hold a Summit in October Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said that political discussion could only be helpful. Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The Taoiseach was anxious to maintain his good working relationship with Mr. Major. However the presentational aspects would also have to be considered. The perceived shift in British positions was likely to cause serious political pressures on the... Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Seán O hUiginn 30 July, 1993 Thursday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
SECRET Butler-Nally Process Meeting with Mr. Quentin Thomas 1. I had a meeting with Mr. Quentin Thomas in London on 1st September, 1993. The meeting had been suggested at the last Nally-Butler meeting by Mr. Chilcot, possible as a way around the... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Ó hUiginn met with Thomas to discuss JD6 and suggest potential language in an informal context.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Ó hUiginn met with Thomas to discuss JD6 and suggest potential language in an informal context.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. I began by again urging the significance of what seemed to be on offer – a cessation of violence on the part of the Provisionals in return, not for their traditional demand of British withdrawal at a specified time, but for a change in the terms of... Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Constitutional Issues Tuesday August 1993Committee: British Government
7. [...] After some further general discussion (on the lines already reported on in various Liaison Group meetings) he showed, and later gave me, as a kind of "exercise-book", he said, formulations which might be used for constitutional balance in any... Tuesday August 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Constitutional Issues Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
8. I said as an initial reaction I found the first sentence an interesting one. I did not know how much the actual word self-determination was crucial but it seemed to be that something which said that the future of Northern Ireland was to be decided... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
11. Comment: It is understandably easier for the British to consider "political movement" in the wider context. It is probably also easier in terms of our own domestic politics if a cessation were to come as a response to a wider intergovernmental... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Letter from Albert Reynolds to John Major (7 September 1993) Tuesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This letter was sent to John Major on 7 September 1993.] Tuesday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Letter from Albert Reynolds to John Major (7 September 1993) Tuesday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
SECRET Meeting of Nally/Butler Group London, 10th September, 1993 Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. Nally recalled the terms of the Taoiseach's letter. The outcome of the last meeting had been reported to him. He felt time was not on our side and had wanted to give a political impetus to the discussion. He felt the necessary ingredients for a... Friday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
In short, the text as it stood, would not really run. Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Commentary on JD6 Wednesday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Commentary on JD6 Wednesday July 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Commentary on JD6: Include an Explicit Reference to Northern Irish Consent in Paragraph 4 Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Principles for a British-Irish Joint Declaration: No Specification of Time-Scale Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Commentary on JD6: British Government Not to Persuade Wednesday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
5. Butler availed of an interval when staff were bringing coffee to say that there might be a misapprehension underlying the Taoiseach's letter which should be put right. They were acting under the very close direction of the Prime Minister and there... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Comment 14. The meeting made very clear that the British are not ready to begin a drafting exercise in this forum. They were at pains however to avoid any negative connotation and to convey a clear willingness to pursue the key issues in good faith in... Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Reflections on Possible Constitutional Change Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Martin Mansergh was involved in the Joint Declaration initiative and was the main Irish contact with Sinn Féin.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Irish Government
Annotations to JD6 Thursday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Separate Northern Irish Right to Self-Determination Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
No Legislation before Agreement Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Clarification of Language Re 'Measures' Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Removal of 'Independent' and 'Unity' Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Subsidiary British Issues with JD6 Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Butler concluded by asking the Irish side what they saw as the net effect of paragraph 4 and what their view was of what would happen if it were implemented. A "basis for peace" was very vague. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Integrate the Joint Declaration with Strand 3 Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Managing the Unionist Response Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The conflict had colossal human and material costs. It would continue until something changed. The Talks might have achieved that, but they had gone down a blind alley, in spite of our best efforts. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Commentary on JD6 Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Self-Determination Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Consent Principle Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He noted that for the British self-determination was the key difficulty. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The points relating to past failures and European union could readily be resolved. It was helpful that the British acknowledged that a failure of unionist participation did not mean the Convention should not go ahead. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He concluded by urging again the importance of the initiative. If, as was likely, the Talks failed to materialise, the Governments could not allow a political vacuum. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
9. O hUiginn stressed the IRA were ideology bound, and were difficult to reach except in ideological terms. On the other hand an ideological shift by them was of correspondingly great significance. The Taoiseach always concentrated on the bottom line.... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Self-Determination and Consent to Balance One Another Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
10. Butler objected that it went in one direction only – towards unity. O hUiginn said that it encompassed exactly the two options for Northern Ireland mentioned in Article 1 of the Anglo-Irish Agreement. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
12. Butler reverted to his question about "legislation over a period". Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Chilcot asked whether self-determination had only one permissible outcome. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
O hUiginn said the concept of consent was basic. The Taoiseach had insisted on this as the sine-qua-non for any further action. It followed that the "legislative action", admittedly unclear in the text, involved either legislative recognition of the... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
13. On Chilcot's point, whether self-determination would be accepted as legitimate if it involved something other than unity, i.e. agreement to differ, the Irish side said the whole traditional logic of the IRA position was such that they would find it... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Not to Join the Persuaders for Unity Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government to Encourage Unspecified Inter-Irish Agreement Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
14. Chilcot said that their best information was that the "demographic shift" was a myth. It related to one particular age-cohort, which would not be repeated. Given that some Catholics were likely to be pro-union there was no forseeable prospect of a... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
16. Chilcot thought the Provos might have concluded that things were not going their way and needed to sell to their troops some outcome which gave them involvement. The Convention served that purpose. The British Government would be sympathetic,... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government to Move from Their Position to Secure a Ceasefire Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This seems to be accepted implicitly by the Irish government.] Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
17. In reply to a question from Nally there was a brief discussion on how the unionist dimension might be managed in the event of the initiative materialising. Chilcot thought Eames might be helpful. He was dismissive of McGimpsey and thought Robinson... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Both delegations reported back on the points of convergence and divergence under discussion during the meeting.] Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
Resolution to Negotiate on JD6 as an Irish Government Proposal Friday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
We do not propose to go back to our intermediaries on a piecemeal basis, but with an improved text, as amended and agreed. Friday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This course of action is put to the British Government.] Friday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Replace Self-Determination with Agreed Inter-Irish Mechanisms Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Nally said paragraph 4 of the declaration had been carefully worked on and change would be correspondingly difficult. He noted Chilcot's implied suggestion that the notion of self-determination might be excluded but a mechanism substituted that went in... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Both delegations reported back on the points of convergence and divergence under discussion during the meeting.] Wednesday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Both delegations reported back on the points of convergence and divergence under discussion during the meeting.] Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
Self-Determination Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
Replace Self-Determination with Agreed Inter-Irish Mechanisms Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
Specific Points raised 4. The concept of self-determination is critical, but we could take on board as well the concept of inter-Irish agreement, which is implicit in the text. One concept is ideological, the other pragmatic. There is merit in both... Friday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
This eased the question Nally had asked at the last meeting about the British capacity to influence the unionists. This could become easier as time went on. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
10. Nally suggested that with Unionists' backs secured the British Government were in a position to present the declaration to them as what the British Government wished to see in place. The Irish Government wished to get people talking. They were not... Wednesday August 1993Committee: British Government
2. Chilcot projected a strong message that this particular agenda had not been "estopped", as he put it, by the new Tory/Unionist relationship. It remained of great interest to his principals, including, he stressed, to Sir Patrick Mayhew, with whom he... Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn was also involved in the Joint Declaration initiative.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In a tête-à-tête meeting between Major and Reynolds held on 16 June 1993 at 18.00, it was decided that John Chilcot should be invited to join the negotiating team (ie. the Butler/Nally meetings).] Wednesday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In a tête-à-tête meeting between Major and Reynolds held on 16 June 1993 at 18.00, it was decided that Seán Ó hUiginn should be invited to join the negotiating team (ie. the Butler/Nally meetings).] Wednesday June 1993Committee: British Government
Convey Objections Wednesday July 1993Committee: British Government
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday July 1993Committee: British Government
Self-Determination Wednesday July 1993Committee: British Government
Replace Self-Determination with Agreed Inter-Irish Mechanisms Wednesday July 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government: Ten Principles Wednesday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government: Ten Principles Wednesday July 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Convey Objections Wednesday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Commentary on JD6 Wednesday July 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday July 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Self-Determination Wednesday July 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Replace Self-Determination with Agreed Inter-Irish Mechanisms Wednesday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Self-Determination Wednesday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Replace Self-Determination with Agreed Inter-Irish Mechanisms Wednesday July 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I pointed out the legalistic approach to self-determination, which the British were perhaps uncomfortable with, could actually be an asset: an ideal theoretical position could be invoked based on early legal precedent, and there could be an agreed... Thursday July 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. Sir Robin Butler recalled that at the last meeting they had looked at the draft document sent by the Taoiseach. They had applauded the objective but had expressed doubts whether the draft would fulfil that objective or could be "saleable". Their... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Resolution to Negotiate on JD6 as an Irish Government Proposal Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Importance of Joint Declaration as Balancing Gesture Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He added that he saw no profit in the balance envisaged by Nally – the Government was not thinking in terms of finding something for unionists. Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
They would note the request and respond in September. Wednesday August 1993Committee: British Government
Resolution to Negotiate on JD6 as an Irish Government Proposal Wednesday August 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
12. O hUiginn agreed that the initiative was a major one and therefore it made sense to proceed only in a deliberate way. It was important to recall certain realities. This was not a negotiation with the Irish Government. The Taoiseach and the Tanaiste... Wednesday August 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Self-Determination Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. I said that for the British to "join the persuaders" for Irish unity would take all the tricks on the nationalist side. They had repeatedly told us that this was impossible for the present Government. The question therefore was how they could... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Self-Determination as Current Legal Position Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Neutrality to Develop from Passive to Proactive Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration as Strand 3 Position Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
6. Thomas said that Sir Robin Butler had had no instructions about redrafting the text on "political movement" and neither had he. (Note: The British have a bureaucratic shorthand where "political movement" refers to the search for an end to violence,... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
10. I stressed that the "political movement" document would require a response in its own terms. The Talks process could be used in a complementary way but not in any way blotting it out. Thomas accepted fully that a cessation, if it could be achieved,... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
7. While "self-determination" for Ireland was a difficult concept for them, Thomas did not totally rule out some form of qualified reference to it with careful drafting. Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The conclusions of the meeting were circulated.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The conclusions of the meeting were circulated.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The conclusions of the meeting were circulated.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The text on constitutional issues handed over by Quentin Thomas during the meeting was circulated.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Self-Determination Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Neutrality to Develop from Passive to Proactive Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Constitutional Issues Wednesday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Constitutional Issues Wednesday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Constitutional Issues Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
Self-Determination Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
British Neutrality to Develop from Passive to Proactive Wednesday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Self-Determination Wednesday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Neutrality to Develop from Passive to Proactive Wednesday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Principles for Inclusion in a Joint Declaration Wednesday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Self-Determination Wednesday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Neutrality to Develop from Passive to Proactive Wednesday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
SECRET Meeting of Anglo-Irish Conference (10 September) SUMMARY NOTE Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Talks Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: Patrick Mayhew was a member of the Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference.] Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: Dick Spring was a member of the Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference.] Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: Máire Geoghegan-Quinn was a member of the Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference.] Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
He also pointed out that the Government could not determine its attitude without some sense of how the bilaterals with the parties were proceeding. Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Maastricht Vote Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
US Peace Envoy Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Loyalist Paramilitary Threat to the Republic Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: The meeting adjourned.] Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
1. Butler recalled the British position as set out at the last meeting. The Prime Minister wanted to react constructively but the present text “would not do”. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
They had tried to give positive pointers via Quentin Thomas (Chilcot’s deputy at the NIO). Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Nally illustrated this point by listing the various components as he personally saw them – the common commitment to a democratic solution, the British neutrality statement, the agreement there should be no change without consent and, Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
as was now proposed, an acknowledgement of joint self-determination subject to these qualifications. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He recalled the references to inter-Irish agreement in the Quentin Thomas paper. (Chilcot broke in to say that was “pivotal”). Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Paragraph 4 to Be Open to Amendment Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
3. In further exchanges Nally confirmed, in response to questions, that the actual language of paragraph 4 was not viewed as sacrosanct, Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Articles 2 and 3 to Be Open to Change Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
that Articles 2 and 3 could be open to change in the context of a settlement likely to win popular endorsement, Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Include Reassurance to the Unionist Community Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
and that the Irish Government was fully conscious of the need for reassurance to the unionist community also. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Self-Determination via Dual Referendum Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
6. Discussion resumed on Hume’s idea of a dual referendum. The Irish side explained that it could serve two purposes – laying the ghost of the doctrine that the collective will of the Irish people as expressed in the 1918 election had been denied... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
O hUiginn added that political pressures on Hume, which might lead him to develop his talks with Adams in problematic ways, were also a factor for urgency. 7. Butler stressed again that they agreed on the need for urgency. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The Irish knew the difficulties they had about involving themselves in negotiating the text. Their concept was that the Taoiseach had taken the initiative. That was welcome, as were the objectives. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
However, the text was not right. They were doing everything they could to say why not. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
If it was the Irish position that this text was the last word and this alone was acceptable to the Provos, then “it wouldn’t fly”. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
4. There was then some rather general and inconclusive discussion on whether or how the right of the Irish people to choose their own future could be reconciled with, in Chilcot’s words, “the separate exercise of Northern Ireland doing so as a separate... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Text Could Not Be Expected to Attract Unionist Approval Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Butler demurred and signalled that the criterion of unionist approval in that sense was not uppermost in their minds. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Confidentiality Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
12. Butler said a reply to the Taoiseach’s letter would issue towards the middle of the following week. It would be on the lines that the Prime Minister shared the objective, that the present text would not work, that talks continue on it, the... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Possible Review Meeting on 7 October 1993 Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
13. It was agreed to consult later about whether there would be a further meeting of the Butler-Nally group, say around 7th October, to review matters. Butler indicated they would be willing to travel to Ireland for this. Friday September 1993Committee: British Government
Resolution to Mandate the Liaison Group to Create a Joint Framework Document Friday September 1993Committee: British Government
Resolution to Use the Language from the Joint Framework Document to Solve Paragraph 4 Friday September 1993Committee: British Government
4. In parallel, he would like the two Governments to work closely in the Liaison Group over the next four to six weeks in order to identify the elements of a package likely to be acceptable to all participants. The objective would be a “joint framework... Friday September 1993Committee: British Government
There was a way open to carry matters forward by looking in the Talks context at alternative ways of meeting difficulties, and the result of that exercise could be used to carry the Provos also. Chilcot repeated they were not able to engage in a... Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Resolution to Mandate the Liaison Group to Create a Joint Framework Document Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Resolution to Secure Peace Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: 'The Minister for Justice sought (and received) confirmation'.] Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
8. It was also emphasized by the Irish side that the question of constitutional balance raised issues of the highest political importance for the Government and would necessitate the most careful reflection and consultation at political level in... Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
10. It was agreed that the Liaison Group would “use its best endeavours” between now and the next meeting of the Conference (proposed for 27 October) to formulate a joint assessment of what might be acceptable to all participants in order to achieve... Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: The decision taken at the Conference was circulated and discussed in other committees.] Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Resolution to Mandate the Liaison Group to Create a Joint Framework Document Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
5. This document would serve to “focus the minds” of the Governments and would not be presented to the parties. The Secretary of State hopes, however, that it would enable him to persuade the Unionists that the Governments had addressed the... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Resolution to Use the Language from the Joint Framework Document to Solve Paragraph 4 Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
From the separate discussion of a joint framework document (relating to the three-stranded Talks) the Irish side knew that they were perfectly prepared to look at a further draft. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
11. Chilcot said the Intergovernmental Conference envisaged a paper being developed between and by the two Governments, without final commitment, to address the key issues and the approach which, in the best judgement of both Governments, could win the... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
There was a way open to carry matters forward by looking in the Talks context at alternative ways of meeting difficulties, and the result of that exercise could be used to carry the Provos also. Chilcot repeated they were not able to engage in a... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
8. O hUiginn said this would be put to the Taoiseach and his instructions awaited. Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
From what we knew of his position he might well be concerned that this could throw away much laborious effort on the other draft. Secondly, the implied condition of unionist endorsement could undermine the capacity to get the balance right in terms of... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
In response to Nally, Butler again confirmed “We are not putting this text into the other group. This is ours. Rather we want to see whether we can borrow from the other group ways of solving paragraph 4”. Nally again urged that the importance of a... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Nally said he could not anticipate the Taoiseach’s reaction but he might well say “why don’t you work on the present text?” Chilcot said that Ministers had tasked the Liaison Groups and he hoped the Taoiseach would accept the “dual utility” of the... Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Resolution to Mandate the Liaison Group to Create a Joint Framework Document Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Resolution to Use the Language from the Joint Framework Document to Solve Paragraph 4 Friday September 1993Committee: British Government
Resolution to Mandate the Liaison Group to Create a Joint Framework Document Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Resolution to Mandate the Liaison Group to Create a Joint Framework Document Friday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Resolution to Mandate the Liaison Group to Create a Joint Framework Document Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Resolution to Mandate the Liaison Group to Create a Joint Framework Document Friday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Resolution to Use the Language from the Joint Framework Document to Solve Paragraph 4 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Resolution to Use the Language from the Joint Framework Document to Solve Paragraph 4 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Mansergh met Chilcot in the margins of the British-Irish Association Conference.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Mansergh met Chilcot in the margins of the British-Irish Association Conference.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British-Irish Association Conference, Cambridge, 10-12 September 1993. Private Meetings with Mayhew and Chilcot I had two substantial discussions with the Northern Ireland Secretary, Sir Patrick Mayhew and John Chilcot. I met Chilcot first,... Sunday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Butler, Nally, Chilcot and Ó hUiginn were all present for this meeting.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Chilcot went over, for my benefit, some of the ground discussed at the Conference and at the Butler/Nally meeting. He made it clear that their position was not based on either a lack of interest or a determination to pursue some alternative policy.... Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The working method they were proposing was to have the Liaison Group in Strand III meet to discuss a framework and in particular the scope for constitutional change. Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The language developed there could then be incorporated into the draft declaration and at that point they would be able to work with the declaration, or at least assist us to actively redraft it. What he was also effectively saying was that they needed... Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The rest of the document concerns a meeting between Mansergh and Mayhew.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The rest of the document concerns a meeting between Mansergh and Mayhew.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The rest of the document concerns a meeting between Mansergh and Mayhew.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The first meeting took place between Mansergh and Chilcot.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The second meeting took place between Mansergh and Mayhew.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Public Statements Mayhew was upbeat about the prospect of resumed talks, albeit with a much greater element of bilateral diplomacy. He assumed the DUP would not be involved initially, but might be later, when they saw things beginning to happen... Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Sir Patrick Mayhew made clear his strong interest in the peace initiative, which he referred to as “an enormous prize”. Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Hume/Adams Talks Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He also discussed his difficulties with it. Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He was clearly jolted by the Taoiseach’s letter and claimed it had caused “some dismay”. Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
They do not want to do anything that can be construed as getting into negotiations with the PIRA. But he said he needed to know where we stood on constitutional change, and then they would be able to see what they could do on their side that might... Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He complained to me the following morning about a degree of procrastination since April on our side. I filled him in on the domestic political background (and indeed the use in the early part of the year within Fianna Fáil of Articles 2 and 3 as a... Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mayhew accepts that PIRA/SF are essentially one organisation, and that their leadership does not want, if an acceptable way out can be found, to continue fighting a war for 10-15 years. He also accepted my point that in common with the old IRA they... Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Prisoners Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mayhew's Family Background Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting adjourned.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting adjourned.] Sunday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
SECRET Report of Meeting between John Hume and Prime Minister Major 16th September, 1993 1. I spoke to Mr. Hume recently about the meeting which he had with the British Prime Minister on the 16th September. Friday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
SECRET Report of Meeting between John Hume and Prime Minister Major 16th September, 1993 1. I spoke to Mr. Hume recently about the meeting which he had with the British Prime Minister on the 16th September. [Editors' Note: 'I' here refers to Ó... Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Major was present for this meeting.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Mayhew was present for this meeting.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Chilcot was present for this meeting.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Hume met with Major, who was accompanied by Mayhew and Chilcot.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Hume/Adams Talks Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
1. I spoke to Mr. Hume recently about the meeting which he had with the British Prime Minister on the 16th September. Friday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
1. I spoke to Mr. Hume recently about the meeting which he had with the British Prime Minister on the 16th September. Friday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Self-Determination Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Decommissioning Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Talks Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Hume to Assist in the Drafting of JD6 Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Mr. Major indicated that they were looking at that aspect and that they would discuss it with him in due course. Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Chilcot to Fix a Time to Meet with Hume to Discuss JD6 Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this proposal.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
4. As regards the three-stranded talks, Hume made clear that there was no need to ask the SDLP about their attitude. If the British issued a call to the table, the SDLP would be there in the morning. He also made the point that when the British called... Thursday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Signed: Sean] Sean O hUiginn 24 September Thursday September 1993Committee: Hume-Adams
Hume/Adams Statement (2) Wednesday September 1993Committee: Hume-Adams
[Editors' Note: This draft of the statement was discussed with the Irish Government on 22 September 1993.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Since Ó hUiginn does not specify which parts of the conversation happened in the brief meeting on the morning of the 23 September 1993 as opposed to on the evening of 22 September 1993, we have modelled the events of the meetings in... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Ó hUiginn was present for this meeting.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The remainder of the meeting is modelled in the following three sessions of this committee.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
SECRET 1. I had extensive discussions with John Hume on the evening of the 22nd September and, briefly on the morning of the 23rd September, about a proposal he had to issue a statement on the Hume-Adams talks. Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Take No Action until Approval from the Taoiseach Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Hume/Adams Statement (2) Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
2. I reacted in the strongest possible terms against this proposal. I said that a statement that Hume and Adams had agreed proposals to the Governments would be the focus of intense media interest. There would be unbearable pressures both on Hume... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
6. Hume seemed to take these arguments on board and in my hearing, rang his clerical contact and assured me that no action would be taken for a couple of weeks. Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
7. On my arrival back from Derry on 23rd I learned that Mr. Hume in fact had been in contact with the Taoiseach on that day. [Editors' Note: We do not have a first-hand record of this meeting.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
7. On my arrival back from Derry on 23rd I learned that Mr. Hume in fact had been in contact with the Taoiseach on that day. Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
7. On my arrival back from Derry on 23rd I learned that Mr. Hume in fact had been in contact with the Taoiseach on that day. Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Ó hUiginn was present for this meeting.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
I rang him again Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
I rang him again Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
I rang him again and reiterated many of the above points to him, making clear that I thought the course he proposed would be a monumental mistake both in terms of the project everybody wanted to succeed and in terms of his own standing and prestige.... Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
No Statement to Be Published before Report on Friday Meeting Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: 'I confirmed'.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The rest of the report is modelled in the following session in this committee.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Reynolds to Report to Hume on the Meeting Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
He said that the Taoiseach had undertaken to come back to him after our contact with the British tomorrow to let him know the result. If the message was that the draft was being considered in a positive light, then he would hold off. Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Drop Proposal if British Agree to Negotiate on JD6 Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
He seemed under the impression that he had got a green or “amber” light for proceeding. (He is well-known in his political life generally for hearing, in all good faith, only those things he wants to hear from his contacts). Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
He said that the Taoiseach had undertaken to come back to him after our contact with the British tomorrow to let him know the result. If the message was that the draft was being considered in a positive light, then he would hold off. 9. I made it... Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This proposal was reported to the Irish government delegation.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Hume/Adams Statement (2) Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Signed: Sean] Sean O hUiginn 24 September, 1993 SECRET Text as read out by John Hume Our discussion aimed at the creation of a peace process involving both Governments and all parties have made considerable progress. We have suspended our... Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Reply from John Major to Albert Reynolds (24 September 1993) Friday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Although this letter was dated 24 September 1993, it was not handed over until 1 October 1993.] Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: JD8, or the 'revised draft' was handed over to Thomas by Ó hUiginn during a meeting on 24 September 1993.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Thomas was present at this meeting.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Ó hUiginn was present at this meeting.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
SECRET Meeting with Quentin Thomas, NIO London, 24 September, 1993 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
1. I had a meeting with Quentin Thomas of the NIO on the 24th September. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I began by reiterating yet again the importance which the Taoiseach attached to the Declaration. He was persuaded there was now a unique opportunity to work for peace which should be availed of by both Governments. He believed a cessation of violence... Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. I said the Taoiseach had listened carefully to the points reported to him from the Nally-Butler Group. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He was prepared to shoulder the responsibility on his side. He had no problem with the somewhat oblique method the British had proposed for working on the concepts involved in the text, provided this did not in any way mean the initiative was being... Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD8 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[...] explaining the various changes which had been made and the ways in which we believed they should meet the objections raised by the British. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. Thomas recalled the mandate given to the Liaison Group at the last Intergovernmental Conference. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He also recalled the understanding reached at the Nally-Butler meeting. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Thomas to Discuss the Text in Detail Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Note that Thomas is Acting in a Personal Capacity Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: 'he nevertheless raised no difficulty, subject to that official reservation, about discussing the text in detail.'] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Note on the Importance of the Joint Declaration to the Taoiseach Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: 'He said he would convey again to his people the points I had made about the importance the Taoiseach attached to the initiative.'] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. As regards “meshing” the Declaration with the work of the Liaison Group, Thomas said there was a clear mandate from the Intergovernmental Conference to continue working on the Talks process and he later put forward a draft paper for consideration at... Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Proceed with the Declaration Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Seek to Integrate the Declaration with the Talks Process Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said that the Taoiseach felt, given the psychology of the group it was aimed at, that the Declaration should be handled on its own terms, rather than introducing any complicating factors, which could best be looked at when violence was out of the way. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This proposal was not discussed further.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
6. We had a discussion on the issue of self-determination. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I confirmed in reply to his queries that our side attached considerable importance to using the actual words, given the psychology of the people the Declaration was aimed at. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Inclusion of the British Guarantee Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
In further discussions Thomas said that he felt the new text was very clearly a better one and would receive the most careful consideration on his side. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Four Building Blocks for a Joint Declaration (Paragraph 4) Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
8. I said that I found the sentence on self-determination he had quoted of interest. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Stronger Language on Self-Determination Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
After further discussion he conceded that they might be prepared to consider referring to the exercise of “their rights of self-determination". Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said I felt that would make it a sentence worth studying on our side. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Negotiate Informally on JD8 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Thomas listed the following areas: Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Paragraph 4 of JD8 as Revised by Thomas and Ó hUiginn Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Sentence 1 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Take 'Political' Out Again Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said the entire sentence was governed by the word “selfish”. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
On that basis he thought they might possibly live with it. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
On that basis he thought they might possibly live with it. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Sentence 2 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He thought they could also live with the second sentence. It had a clear connotation of unity in the island, which was a shift for them, but he felt that if the context was right they could accept it. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Sentence 3 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
10. We had a long discussion on the third sentence. I pointed out that it was geared towards the future. The clear implication was that there was no North-South agreement on any form of self-determination for Ireland as a whole at present. The British... Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Change 'freely agreed' to 'secures agreement' Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I thought that that should not present major difficulties on our side. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Thomas raised no further objections to this sentence.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Sentence 4 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Thomas did not raise any objections to sentence 4.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Sentence 5 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Remove 'joint' Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He thought this might introduce ambiguity on the crucial point for them, which was the notion of separate choice for Northern Ireland. I said that had been made clear higher up in the text, Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Bracket 'joint' for Further Consideration Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was tacitly agreed.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was tacitly agreed.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Sentences 6 and 7 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Thomas did not raise any further objections to sentence 5.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
12. Thomas felt that the next sentence was placed so close to the mention of agreed independent structures in Ireland that the connotation that the British Government was “joining the ranks of the persuaders” for Irish unity was too strong. The British... Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Swap Sentences 6 and 7 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Thomas thought that might be an improvement Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Replace 'unity' with an Appropriate Alternative Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said we would think over the possibilities of expressing the notion in alternative ways. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Thomas did not raise any further objections to sentences 6 and 7.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
14. While Thomas made clear his involvement was personal at this point, his approach to the entire exercise was positive and helpful. He said it was a better text and, generally, gave me the impression that he felt an agreed text was within reach. He... Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Further Consultation on 1 October 1993 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: 'We agreed'.] Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Keep the Declaration Secret from the Liaison Group Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He agreed the drafting of the Declaration should be kept separate from that forum. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Framework Agreement Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said we would consider it carefully and would be giving thought to preparation of a paper of our own. Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Managing the Unionist Response Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
DUP 'Breaking the Logjam' Paper Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Signed: Sean] Sean O hUiginn 25 September, 1993 Friday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Framework Agreement Friday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD8 Friday September 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Paragraph 4 of JD8 as Revised by Thomas and Ó hUiginn Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
17. I alerted him also, in confidence, to the proposal which Hume had put, that the outcome of the Hume-Adams talks should be referred to both Governments. I made clear our firm opposition to it and our hope that Hume was now persuaded of the dangers... Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This revised paragraph was reported to the Irish government delegation in an attachment to the minute.] Amendments which Mr. Thomas felt would be helpful on our revised Paragraph 4 4. The Prime Minister reiterates on behalf of the... Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Framework Agreement Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD8 Friday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Paragraph 4 of JD8 as Revised by Thomas and Ó hUiginn Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This document was circulated as one of the conclusions of the meeting.] Friday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Mansergh attended this meeting.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Meeting with Reverend Roy Magee —————————— At the Taoiseach's request, I met with Revd. Roy Magee, Presbyterian Minister at Dundonald, (at the La Mon Hotel) following his appearance on T.V. suggesting that this was a critical time for Northern... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Mansergh and Magee were present for this meeting.] Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Maze Talks Initiative Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
List of Principles for Peace Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
He said he felt good progress was being made, until the joint Hume-Adams statement on Saturday. Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Irish Government's Commitment to Peace Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Irish Government Not Seeking Joint Authority or Guarantee of a United Ireland Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
At most, there could be agreement on broad principles, similar to the ones he was working on with the UDA. Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Consent Principle and Unionist Participation Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Recognition of Unionist Consensus Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Martin Mansergh 29 September, 1993. Wednesday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
SECRET Report of a meeting of the Nally-Butler Group Cabinet Office, London, 6 October, 1993. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
1. Butler said he wanted a full discussion of the issue on this occasion. The result of Hume's actions had now put everyone on a much tighter schedule. Once Hume briefed the Irish Government "the flies would be buzzing around us". Once we briefed the... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Butler, Chilcot, Thomas, Nally and Ó hUiginn were all present for this meeting.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Law Society Debate Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Sean O hUiginn 7 October, 1993. Enc.: Revised draft Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Coordinate Presentation of Joint Declaration Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Possibility of IRA Split Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
6. Nally spoke of the difficulties caused by Hume's activities. His decision presumably reflected a fear that things would develop without him during his absence in the States. He assured the British side that the Irish Government understood their... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Butler wished to devote the current meeting to a discussion about remaining British anxieties. Very soon British ministers would have to decide whether the project was "a goer or not". They hoped we would not only be able to keep Hume in line but to... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Brief Molyneaux on the Joint Declaration on a Privy Council Basis Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
7. A discussion followed on the wisdom of floating the proposal by Molyneaux on a Privy-Council basis. The British said they had always found him utterly reliable in relation to the Privy-Councillors oath, which covered both the fact and the content of... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Both Sides to Consider the New Text and Consult via Thomas-Ó'hUiginn Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
18. While the drafting was not precisely settled in all instances, the feeling on both sides of the meeting was that the main point of political difficulty had been addressed. It was agreed that both sides would consider the new text and consult via... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
21. A discussion followed on how to deal with the Hume dimension. The British again repeated the enormous difficulties which would be caused for them if the proposed Declaration were seen to emanate from that quarter or even from some generalised... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Taoiseach to Formally Convey Text to Prime Minster Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: No objection was raised to this.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Iron Out Problems at European Council and Hold Anglo-Irish Summit in November Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
20. Butler envisaged that such a process would take about one month and envisaged that, if successful, a Summit for this purpose would be likely to take place in November. It was agreed the European Council at the end of October would give cover for... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this proposal.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Spoke to Taoiseach on 7/10/93 Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Speech by Dick Spring in the Dáil Debate on Northern Ireland (27 October 1993) Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Statement by the Taoiseach and the Prime Minister (29 October 1993) Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Framework Agreement Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Briefing Points on the Joint Declaration (JD13) Tuesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
SECRET Meeting in the Cabinet Office, London, 10 November 1993 Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Present were: British Side Sir Robin Butler Mr. John Chilcot Mr. Quentin Thomas Irish Side Mr. Dermot Nally Mr. Sean O hUiginn Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas was present at this meeting.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Delegation to Be Led by Chilcot and Thomas Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He personally had not had time to study it so that, as far as textual matters went, he would leave the running to Mr. Chilcot and Mr. Thomas. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Confidential Meeting Between The Taoiseach and Prime Minister Major – Government Buildings, Dublin, 4 Dec 1991 Plenary Meeting Following the tete a tete talks involving the full delegations on each side took place for about an hour and a quarter... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Subject to verification SECRET AND PERSONAL Taoiseach's tete a tete with Prime Minister Major The Taoiseach met the Prime Minister in a private room in Government Buildings, following the arrival of the British delegation at 10.30 a.m. and photocalls... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Stephen Wall attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Dermot Nally attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by his Private Secretary, Mr. Stephen Wall. The undersigned was with the Taoiseach. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Welcome Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: 'the Taoiseach welcomed the Prime Minister'.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Maastricht Treaty Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I do not want anything definite from you on this this morning but simply to put the idea in your mind. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Broaden the Remit of the Intergovernmental Conference Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Make a Joint Declaration on Northern Ireland Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Agenda for Plenary Meeting Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[...] on which both men agreed. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Signed] Dermot Nally 5th December, 1991. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Gerry Collins attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Bertie Ahern attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Dermot Nally attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Joseph Small attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Noel Dorr attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Peter Brooke attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Tristan Garel-Jones attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Robin Butler attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Stephen Wall attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: David Blatherwick attended this meeting.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The meeting broke up at this point and the Taoiseach invited the Prime Minister to go to lunch. cc. PSM Mr. Nally (Secretary to the Government) Mr. Brosnan (Department of Justice) A/Sec O hUiginn} A/Sec Barrington} DFA A/Sec Fahy} A/Sec Murphy} Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied at the plenary meeting by the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister for Finance and officials (Messrs Nally, Small and Dorr); the Prime Minister by Secretary of State Brook (sic), Mr. Garel Jones and officials (Sir Robin... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Welcome Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: 'the Taoiseach welcomed the Prime Minster, and the Prime Minster responded suitably'.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach: I greatly appreciate that you kept your promise to come to Dublin. I did say to colleagues that I would absolve you in view of your heavy schedule in preparation for the European council. You have our sympathy and understanding in the task... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Hold a General Review of Anglo-Irish Relations on Northern Ireland Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Creation of a Garda Anti-Terrorist Squad Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Major: I know the idea but I am not so sure about the substance. What exactly is it proposed that we should say? What, realistically, would have such an effect as to stop the violence? What guarantees are there that it would stop for more than a... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Return to Question of Further Bilateral Contacts at the Plenary Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach: Yes indeed. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Nally and Butler to Consult on a Possible Joint Declaration Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Major: Yes I agree with that on the basis that what we are talking about is a possibility rather than a probability: just the two of them; and no commitments on either side. This is something that must be kept totally under wraps. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Improved Co-operation on Finger Printing Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach: Why not? Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Direct Army to Gardai Radio Contact Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Prime Minister: [...] As regards a general review (of Anglo-Irish relations) I would say that there is more than one way to skin a cat. If it is expressed at this stage it will excite unnecessary suspicion on the part of the Unionists and possibly... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Examine Ideas on Security Co-operation Further Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Hold Regular Anglo-Irish Meetings in the Margin of the European Council Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach: I will take the second one first. It is so obvious that we should have thought about it before. Your proposal for regular meetings is perfectly acceptable. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Fix a Date for the First Such Meeting Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Prime Minister: We will have to give them a general answer because of the question of the date of the election. Not even I know that! Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach: In regard to your first proposal there is only one of the ideas you mentioned which would bother us – that is the question of Army to Garda radio communication. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach: [...] I do not mind if you say we should look at it again. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach: [...] But the answer may be the same as before. The other proposals however we could certainly look at. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
GATT Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Libya Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
GATT Taoiseach: On GATT we have to be ambivalent. We live by our exports – more even than you. 70 or 80% of our economy is overseas. Therefore a successful GATT agreement is very important to us. But then on the other hand there are our farmers. We... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Violence in Northern Ireland Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Northern Ireland Talks Process Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Prime Minister: I do not think our commitment to the Anglo-Irish agreement can be in any doubt. Nor can there be any doubt of the patient skill of Peter Brook [sic] in seeking to get talks under way. When he met the Unionists recently they made it... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Increase in Gardai Covert Surveillance Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Minister for Foreign Affairs: There is a genuine difficulty about the idea of a special anti-terrorism unit. They would be sent down from Dublin to Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan and so on and they would come in on top of the local Gardai who would resent... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Minister for Foreign Affairs: On the idea of covert surveillance we can improve the position. We have close co-operation already. We have sent people to be trained and you have trained our trainers. We can talk about developing this. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Libya As regards Libya we of course go along. But we have had to punish ourselves for this. We have a major outlet for cattle which was very valuable to us in the past especially because it comes at a critical time of year and helps to keep up factory... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Prime Minister: The ideas I've put forward might be matters which we can develop. If there are difficulties we can talk further about them. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach confirmed his agreement to the proposal for twice yearly meetings. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Northern Ireland Secretary: The only problem with half yearly meetings is that you will be calling Gerry and myself to account! Prime Minister: If things go wrong you can take his place and he can take yours. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Irish Government
A New Approach to the Northern Ireland Problem? Tuesday April 1993Committee: British Government
Paragraph 4 of JD8 as Revised by Thomas and Ó hUiginn Friday September 1993Committee: British Government
Note on the Importance of the Joint Declaration to the Taoiseach Friday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Since the rest of this document records the meeting between Hume and Major, it has been modelled in the British-Hume bilaterals committee. See s20823 for more details.] Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Four Building Blocks for a Joint Declaration (Paragraph 4) Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Framework Agreement Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Paragraph 4 of JD8 as Revised by Thomas and Ó hUiginn Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: Early Draft Monday March 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Noel Dorr was also involved in the Joint Declaration initiative.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Irish Government
Note on Possible Institutional Arrangements between North and South Wednesday March 1993Committee: Irish Government
Annex A Thursday April 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Since this is added to the paper as an Annex, we have modelled it as an amendment.] Thursday April 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Frank Murray was also involved in the Joint Declaration initiative.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Communiqué Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Pen Amendments to the Draft Communiqué Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: It is clear from the text of the final communiqué that these amendments were adopted.] Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Further Typed Amendments to the Communiqué Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The final version of the communiqué was further amended.] Wednesday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The communiqué was issued.] Wednesday June 1993Committee: Irish Government
Amendments Made within the Irish Government Delegation to Paragraph 4 of JD8 as Revised by Thomas and Ó hUiginn Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
SECRET & PERSONAL Meeting with Cabinet Secretary Butler Taoiseach, I attach a note of our meeting on 14th July. Wednesday July 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Since Ó hUiginn does not specify which parts of the conversation happened during this brief meeting on the morning of the 23 September 1993 as opposed to on the evening of 22 September 1993, we have modelled the events in the previous... Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This draft of the Joint Declaration is taken from the Dermot Nally papers. It has been provisionally dated to the 24th September by hand, but it clearly follows the meeting with Thomas. It appears to have first taken on the amendments... Friday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This draft of the Joint Declaration is taken from the Dermot Nally papers. It has been provisionally dated to the 24th September by hand, but it clearly follows the meeting with Thomas. It appears to have first taken on the amendments... Friday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
1. I had extensive discussions with John Hume on the evening of the 22nd September and, briefing on the morning of the 23rd September, about a proposal he had to issue a statement on the Hume/Adams talks. Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
1. I had extensive discussions with John Hume on the evening of the 22nd September and, briefing on the morning of the 23rd September, about a proposal he had to issue a statement on the Hume/Adams talks. Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
1. I had extensive discussions with John Hume on the evening of the 22nd September and, briefing on the morning of the 23rd September, about a proposal he had to issue a statement on the Hume/Adams talks. Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting adjourned.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Note on the Joint Declaration Initiative (30 September 1993) Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This point was tacitly accepted by Ó hUiginn.] Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Reply from John Major to Albert Reynolds (24 September 1993) Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Tone Down European Union References Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not currently have a record of the internal Irish deliberations which led to JD10 being created. We have therefore used the new draft that the delegations were working from during the Butler-Nally meeting on 6 October 1993 to make... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not currently have a record of the internal Irish deliberations which led to JD10 being created. We have therefore used the new draft that the delegations were working from during the Butler-Nally meeting on 6 October 1993 to make... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not currently have a record of the internal Irish deliberations which led to JD10 being created. We have therefore used the new draft that the delegations were working from during the Butler-Nally meeting on 6 October 1993 to make... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not currently have a record of the internal Irish deliberations which led to JD10 being created. We have therefore used the new draft that the delegations were working from during the Butler-Nally meeting on 6 October 1993 to make... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not currently have a record of the internal Irish deliberations which led to JD10 being created. We have therefore used the new draft that the delegations were working from during the Butler-Nally meeting on 6 October 1993 to make... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Translation Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Although it is clear that this change was made, since it is reported in both the British and Irish copies of JD10, it is not clear why, since it makes no material difference to the text.] Monday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD11 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
8. Mr. Nally explained briefly the changes which had been made. The reference to the EC in paragraph 3 had been softened to meet the point they had made. The text of paragraph 3 had been amended to include a reference to cooperation being "on the basis... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Refinement of Irish Constitution Reference Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Constitutional Guarantee as Qualifying Statement to No Strategic Interest Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Reference to Articles 2 & 3 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
10. [...] He welcomed the proposed amendment relating to the Irish Constitution, and indicated they would leave it to the Irish side to draft language which covered the point of the legitimacy of the institutions of the State and at the same time... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
11. [...] It was clearly understood that this guarantee stood. It was clearly understood that the Anglo-Irish Agreement was not amended in any way by the Declaration, which had lesser formal status. There would be no inhibition on the British... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Reference 'Guarantees' in Paragraph 3 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
12. [...] After further discussion Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Refinement of Wording Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
12. [...] After further discussion it was agreed to insert the phrase "and the guarantees which each Government has given" at the end of the relevant sentence in paragraph 3. This was of course ad referendum on both sides. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
12. [...] After further discussion it was agreed to insert the phrase "and the guarantees which each Government has given" at the end of the relevant sentence in paragraph 3. This was of course ad referendum on both sides. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Remove 'political' Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Qualify 'interest' Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Leave the Brooke Text as Originally Pronounced Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
13. [...] After some discussion it was felt that the most likely way of reaching agreement would be to leave the original (Brooke) text as it had been pronounced, omitting both the word "political" and the proposed addition. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
15. In relation to the reference to Articles 2 and 3, Butler explained the tremendous symbolism which this issue had for Unionists and the great value of having some indication in the text that the Irish Government would be prepared to amend them in... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Oblique Reference to Articles 2 & 3 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
16. On Chilcot's suggestion it was agreed finally to refer back, in square brackets, the following addition to the end of paragraph 5: [which would be reflected in any future agreed (political and) constitutional arrangements emerging from a new and... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
16. On Chilcot's suggestion it was agreed finally to refer back, in square brackets, the following addition to the end of paragraph 5: [which would be reflected in any future agreed (political and) constitutional arrangements emerging from a new and... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
17. There was a brief discussion on the reference to the Convention being open to all democratic parties. Did this mean fringe parties? Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Remove 'all' Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
17. There was a brief discussion on the reference to the Convention being open to all democratic parties. Did this mean fringe parties? It was agreed that the word "all" might usefully be dropped from paragraph 8 for that reason. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Broaden the Remit of the Intergovernmental Conference Wednesday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
11. O hUiginn argued strongly that an explicit reference to the British guarantee about the UK status of the Northern Ireland would simply not be saleable in this context. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Amendment of Self-Determination Sentence to Include Concurrent Consent Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
14. There was some further discussion of the text of the new paragraph 4. This resulted in some amendments (see revised text attached). Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Remove 'freely and collectively' Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
14. There was some further discussion of the text of the new paragraph 4. This resulted in some amendments (see revised text attached). Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Replace 'encourage' with 'enable' Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
14. There was some further discussion of the text of the new paragraph 4. This resulted in some amendments (see revised text attached). Wednesday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said this would be a difficult point for us too. Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Line after Meeting John Hume Tuesday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: It seems that this document was taken to the Butler-Nally meeting and annotated/amended there, although it is unclear whether or not the exact text was shared with the British delegation.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Line after Meeting John Hume Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Annotations with Robin Butler's Advice Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: These annotations were taken back and shared with the rest of the Irish delegation.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: These annotations were taken back and shared with the rest of the Irish delegation.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Line after Meeting John Hume Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Annotations with Robin Butler's Advice Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Final Draft of Statement Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The removal of the word 'suggested' by hand implies that this was the final version of the statement.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The removal of the word 'suggested' by hand implies that this was the final version of the statement.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD11 Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Amendments Agreed ad Referendum and Made by the Taoiseach Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: It is clear from the text of JD12 that the Taoiseach agreed to most of these amendments, but not all of them, chiefly the removal of 'freely and collectively', which was reinstated here. The wording for the various sections in square... Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: It is clear from the text of JD12 that the Taoiseach agreed to most of these amendments, but not all of them, chiefly the removal of 'freely and collectively', which was reinstated here. The wording for the various sections in square... Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Eames' Additions Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The earliest copy of the Joint Declaration incorporating Eames' additions that we have found is in Dermot Nally's papers, dated 2 November 1993. We have therefore modelled the amendment being made and the document being referred back to... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The earliest copy of the Joint Declaration incorporating Eames' additions that we have found is in Dermot Nally's papers, dated 2 November 1993. We have therefore modelled the amendment being made and the document being referred back to... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: Eames' Additions Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This is the version of the Joint Declaration which was sent to Quentin Thomas on 9 November 1993 as JD13. This draft incorporates the amendments proposed by Eames on 2 November 1993, with some changes and additions presumably made by... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD13 Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. Mr Nally suggested the meeting might concentrate on the most recent additions. The initial text was not much changed, but the latest additions balanced the original elements. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Necessity of Action before the Anglo-Irish Summit Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Commitment to the Joint Declaration as a Proposal Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
6. Nally added that the Taoiseach had a strong sense from his wide range of contacts in Northern Ireland, including from normal political sources on both sides of the divide, that there had never been such a feeling for peace as now. His contacts in... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
7. Nally added that it would be a mistake to view the IRA as being on its knees. It was an abhorrent organisation, but it could not be said that its resources had been exhausted. He stressed that time was not on our side. He took issue with Mayhew's... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Distancing the Declaration from Hume/Adams But Not Hume Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
9. Butler, picking up the Hume-Adams reference, said the British side could not get to the point where this initiative was "seriously on". Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
9. [...] British Ministers had had several very agonised discussions. They saw the desire for peace as a tremendous opportunity but had concluded that the effects of the "Hume-Adams Initiative" on unionist opinion was very negative. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
9. [...] They had concluded that a joint statement which contained elements of "green language", even if acceptable in substance, was not a route they could take. The unionists would not wear it and the men of violence would react. Their recent... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
10. Butler said the Taoiseach had been immensely helpful about the joint statement in Brussels. However the experience they had subsequently of the public statements of the unionists, and the private contacts which they had with them, had not dispelled... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Consider Alternative Options Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British to Confirm Their Refusal Unchanged by Brussels Summit Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
12. [...] Butler confirmed this. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
13. O hUiginn said that the ideas involved in the Hume-Adams initiative were simply too big to go away. The climate of discussion had been changed. The issue had to be resolved into success or failure. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Fallout from a Failure to Agree a Text Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
14. Butler said their position was not based on the assumption that the IRA were war weary. They had much independent evidence that the Provisional movement was thinking seriously about peace. They knew there was an upsurge for peace in the community.... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
15. [...] Given basic nationalist positions, the success of the Talks would require some move in any case very similar to that contemplated in the Declaration. If that was so, it made sense to cast that in a form which secured a cessation from the... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
16. Chilcot objected that the particular need and emphasis of the Declaration might mean peace on one side rather than the other. He recalled that there was violence on both sides. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Delegation to Confirm Whether or Not They Had Briefed Molyneaux Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
16. [...] (Butler was evasive on this, possibly because of the confidentiality of any Privy-Council briefing). Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
17. Nally urged the meeting again to focus on the problem of the Summit. Texts would probably be published and people would be left with the impression that a significant opportunity for peace had been missed. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
18. Butler said he did not want to "look over the cliff of the Summit". Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
22. [...] The Irish side stressed the danger of a wide gap in the views of the two Governments, the dangers that the paramilitaries could be beneficiaries of that, and the need to consider the presentation at the Summit. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government to Submit a Framework Paper Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
28. As Butler had to host a reception (ironically, I think, for new recruits to GCHQ in Cheltenham) the meeting draw to a close. Nally urged a rethink of British position, in the light of the risks of serious divergence between the two Governments in... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
18. [...] The present position of Ministers was that the joint Declaration was so shocking to Unionists that it would not do the trick. They would report the Irish views to Ministers, who were continuing to think in an agonised way what the best way... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
21. O hUiginn reverted to Nally's point on the imminence of the Summit. The Taoiseach had undergone considerable risk to protect the Prime Minister from any political risks while he was travelling towards this goal. If he was not in fact travelling... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
22. There was some further discussion on the text. Nally explained the various changes which had been made. The British side made clear that they would need United Kingdom guarantees enshrined in formal terms in paragraph 4 of the draft and that the... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
25. [...] The Irish side said the Government were supportive of all forms of dialogue. There was no wish to be negative in any way about the conversations Ancram was having with political leaders. They had to realise however that these talks had no... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
26. Chilcot said that, to address the hypothesis that the Declaration was not used for the Summit, it was worth recalling that when the Prime Minister saw Hume, the latter had not been fixated on any particular date in the calendar. That was an... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government to Get in Touch If Necessary Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
28. [...] Butler acknowledged that the ball was at their feet in terms of the next contact. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Sean Sean O hUiginn 10 November, 1993 Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
3. [...] He felt, in general, the new additions should not cause problems for the Republican people. Paragraph 4 remained the key. Wednesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Robin Butler took this letter to his meeting with the Taoiseach on 26 November 1993.] Thursday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Meeting in the Taoiseach's Office 26 November, 1993 Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Present: Irish Side The Taoiseach Dr. Martin Mansergh Mr. Sean O hUiginn British Side Sir Robin Butler Mr. David Blatherwick Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Present: Irish Side The Taoiseach Dr. Martin Mansergh Mr. Sean O hUiginn British Side Sir Robin Butler Mr. David Blatherwick Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Present: Irish Side The Taoiseach Dr. Martin Mansergh Mr. Sean O hUiginn British Side Sir Robin Butler Mr. David Blatherwick Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Present: Irish Side The Taoiseach Dr. Martin Mansergh Mr. Sean O hUiginn British Side Sir Robin Butler Mr. David Blatherwick Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Present: Irish Side The Taoiseach Dr. Martin Mansergh Mr. Sean O hUiginn British Side Sir Robin Butler Mr. David Blatherwick Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Opening Remarks Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
1. [...] Sir Robin Butler said it would be better than that. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Letter from John Major to Albert Reynolds (25 November 1993) Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Robin Butler to Set Out British Government Position Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Robin Butler did so.] Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
3. Sir Robin Butler said the British Prime Minister had worked hard, in what had been a tough week for him and his colleagues. He had spent more time on this issue than on the budget. The British greatly appreciated the helpful brokerage role the... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Declaration: Alternative British Draft Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
3. The most positive development was that the Secretary of State had had lunch with Molyneaux the previous day and had showed him the draft which they were now about to hand over. The situation in Northern Ireland was so fluid it was difficult to make... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Revelation of British Government Contacts with PIRA Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Molyneaux's Veto on British Government Policy Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
5. [...] The Taoiseach referred to possible activities of the British intelligence services. These created serious doubts that the British were bona fides. Butler said he could look the Taoiseach in the eye and say that if the security services were up... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
6. The Taoiseach said that some of the games being played could put people's lives at risk. If that was the length they were prepared to go to to protect James Molyneaux's position, he for one was not interested. His interest was in peace, not a... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Misreading of Situation in Northern Ireland Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
7. [...] Butler said the British side felt they were getting closer to getting Molyneaux back on board. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach's Dissatisfaction with Brussels Summit Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Leak of Irish Draft Framework Document Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
10. Dr. Mansergh set out in detail the background to the work which had been done on the earlier text. It had taken some account of the psychological realities of the Provisional movement and had been designed to bring them across the bridge into the... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
10. [...] Not only did the present British text not do that. It was extraordinarily heavy-footed in the opposite direction. If the present text was presented to the Provos, they would be inclined, to coin a phrase, to "kick it over the rooftops". Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
11. The Taoiseach recalled that an enormous amount of work had been put into the previous document. It was an Irish Government document. They were ready to go through it line by line to show that it did not compromise the basis principles of either... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
8. At this point the Taoiseach asked to see the paper. He said that if it was "too much off side", or too unbalanced in one direction or another, it would not work. A balanced approach was necessary. The Irish side read through the paper. Dr. Mansergh... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
11. [...] In spite of all this effort, at the eleventh hour before the Summit, they got an alternative document. Why was this so? Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
12. Butler explained that the association with Adams had created great difficulties. The text could not be separated from the Hume-Adams process. The Taoiseach protested strongly that it was an Irish Government document which had been drafted in his... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
13. [...] He wondered if the British side truly understood the mood in Northern Ireland. The result of the European elections, would show them what that mood was. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
14. Blatherwick said they recognised the opportunity and wanted to do what the Taoiseach wanted to do. They wanted to seize the opportunity but they could not take such a risk that they fell off at the other end. It was possible that the divide was not... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
16. The Taoiseach said he would present the text to his Cabinet colleagues. The British side knew from his comments what his recommendations would be. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Probability of Continued Violence Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
16. [...] However he would present it to the Government and let them decide. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
17. Butler protested that they wanted to remain close to the position of the Irish Government, to end violence, and to secure progress. It was not only a matter of words on paper. They understood the Provisionals were not war-weary, but they realised... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
18. [...] The Irish side would not put to the British something they knew to be unacceptable. It took a very long time to get the Provisionals to that stage. They were very slow to give their agreement. It was a question of finesse and an accurate balance. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
18. [...] The document which was now produced was clearly designed to bring Molyneaux on board, but not the Provos. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
19. The Taoiseach recalled how he had progressively led the Provos away from their emphasis on self-determination for the whole island and from a time limit. Anyone who said the present document was a Provo document had no understanding of the real... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Patrick Mayhew's Position on the Peace Process Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Mistakes Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
20. [...] They were being offered an opportunity to safeguard the essence of the Unionist position, and their own position as stated in international agreements, and still get peace. Dr. Mansergh said not only was there no regard to the basic... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
21. The Taoiseach felt that all that could be said about the draft had been said. He said he would go formally to the Government on Tuesday with the British document. However it was better to be honest. He would have preferred to know six months... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
22. Butler asked if he was saying that the present text was not a basis for discussions. The Taoiseach said he would not put it like that. They had a good text. It had been under discussion for six months. That text was a basis for success, but the... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Negotiate on JD14 Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
23. Butler said yes. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
23. [...] However he wanted to make clear that they had not "drawn the Taoiseach along" deliberately. The leaked document, the most recent Hume-Adams meeting, all these factors had complicated things. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Need for an Explicit Recognition of New Constitutional Position Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Unionist Fears Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
24. [...] The Taoiseach challenged him to say where the sell-out was in the original document. It was carefully and deliberately balanced between the requirements of the two communities. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
24. [...] Butler recalled they had worked hard to persuade the Unionists that there was no sell-out in the Anglo-Irish Agreement, but that had failed. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
24. [...] The Taoiseach recalled the lengths he had gone to to ensure balance in the text, including consultations with Archbishop Eames. Surely his approval could be taken as significant in terms of the Unionist community as a whole? Butler suggested... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
25. After some further discussion covering the same points, it was clear that no further progress could be made on the text. The Taoiseach agreed to have it looked at, and to present it to his Cabinet colleagues, while making clear his own clear views... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Cancel the Anglo-Irish Summit Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
26. [...] Butler said even if there was no document, it was not in the interest of the two Governments to allow the Provisionals to drive them apart. The Taoiseach thought that might well be the effect of the British position. That was the reality.... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
26. [...] O hUiginn said that if the British draft were to be the outcome of the Summit, it would be seen, both North and South, as on balance a Unionist document. If it did not produce peace, what purpose did it serve? Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
27. The Taoiseach intervened to recall discussions he had with Archbishop Eames, and the point he had made on the Frost programme, about the difficulties of Articles 2 and 3. He was doing his utmost to help the British to solve the Northern problem. It... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
28. [...] Questions would be also asked about the Talks process. Even there there was likely to be a difference between the Governments, since Molyneaux had embraced the Ancram talks as an alternative to the peace process. 29. Dr. Mansergh pointed out... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
29. [...] Butler enquired whether the Taoiseach was saying that unless they made the Joint Declaration on the terms the Irish side had proposed, there was no other basis for the Summit. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
29. [...] The Taoiseach again recalled the hard work which had gone into the Irish draft. They had taken suggestions on board from all sides and discussed it with all kinds. He had accepted that he himself was not the best judge of the Unionist... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
29. [...] The British should not at this stage be asking us to get into a matter on a new basis, and the fact they were doing so seemed to carry its own message. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
30. There was some further discussion in which the Taoiseach and the Irish side emphasised the importance of the prize on hand, the need for courage, and the dangers of failure. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
30. [...] The British side asked that the text should be looked at. The Taoiseach promised to submit it to his Cabinet colleagues, while making clear that his own views on it would be unfavourable. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British to Report to John Major Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
30. [...] The British side agreed they would report the position to the Prime Minister. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
31. At the conclusion the Taoiseach again alluded to the possibility that British security services were playing a role which was both dangerous to people's lives and very counter-productive in terms of trust. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Sean O hUiginn 29 November, 1993 Friday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: Alternative British Draft Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said there had been anger at the suggestion the meeting would not go ahead, and at suggestions the two Governments had floated apart. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach, referring to the leaked Irish paper, said it had been an attempt by someone to nail down the peace initiative. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Frustration at American Intervention Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Identify Remaining Points of Difference in Brussels Next Week Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Then, next week in Brussels, they would identify remaining points of difference. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Delegation SOS Hurd SOS Mayhew Ambassador D. Blatherwick Sir Robin Butler Mr. J. Chilcott [sic] Mr. A T O'Donnell Mr. R J Sawers Mr. J. Stephens Mr. Q. Thomas Mr. G. Archer Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Delegation SOS Hurd SOS Mayhew Ambassador D. Blatherwick Sir Robin Butler Mr. J. Chilcott [sic] Mr. A T O'Donnell Mr. R J Sawers Mr. J. Stephens Mr. Q. Thomas Mr. G. Archer Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Delegation SOS Hurd SOS Mayhew Ambassador D. Blatherwick Sir Robin Butler Mr. J. Chilcott [sic] Mr. A T O'Donnell Mr. R J Sawers Mr. J. Stephens Mr. Q. Thomas Mr. G. Archer Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Delegation Tánaiste Minister for Justice Mr. N. Dorr Ambassador J. Small Mr. P. Teahon Mr. S. Ó hÚiginn Mr. T. Barrington Mr. N. Fahey Nr. C. Ó hÚiginn Mr. F. Finlay Mr. D. Donoghue Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Delegation Tánaiste Minister for Justice Mr. N. Dorr Ambassador J. Small Mr. P. Teahon Mr. S. Ó hÚiginn Mr. T. Barrington Mr. N. Fahey Nr. C. Ó hÚiginn Mr. F. Finlay Mr. D. Donoghue Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Delegation Tánaiste Minister for Justice Mr. N. Dorr Ambassador J. Small Mr. P. Teahon Mr. S. Ó hÚiginn Mr. T. Barrington Mr. N. Fahey Nr. C. Ó hÚiginn Mr. F. Finlay Mr. D. Donoghue Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Delegation Tánaiste Minister for Justice Mr. N. Dorr Ambassador J. Small Mr. P. Teahon Mr. S. Ó hÚiginn Mr. T. Barrington Mr. N. Fahey Nr. C. Ó hÚiginn Mr. F. Finlay Mr. D. Donoghue Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Delegation Tánaiste Minister for Justice Mr. N. Dorr Ambassador J. Small Mr. P. Teahon Mr. S. Ó hÚiginn Mr. T. Barrington Mr. N. Fahey Nr. C. Ó hÚiginn Mr. F. Finlay Mr. D. Donoghue Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Delegation Tánaiste Minister for Justice Mr. N. Dorr Ambassador J. Small Mr. P. Teahon Mr. S. Ó hÚiginn Mr. T. Barrington Mr. N. Fahey Nr. C. Ó hÚiginn Mr. F. Finlay Mr. D. Donoghue Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Dalton offered the Irish side's assessment. Those favouring peace in PIRA remained in a good position, but we needed to understand that within PIRA there was an alternative structure grouped around those older PIRA members. The key question was how... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
SECRET WORKING MEETING BETWEEN TAOISEACH AND PM MAJOR: DUBLIN CASTLE, 3 DECEMBER 1993 PLENARY SESSION A plenary session took place from 3 pm until 4. 30 pm and, after a break to permit internal consultations, resumed from approx. 5 pm until approx.... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach was accompanied by the Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and by the Minister for Justice. Also present were: Mr F. Murray, Mr P. Teahon, Mr D. Nally, Dr M. Mansergh; Mr N. Dorr, Ambassador J. Small, Mr S. O hUiginn, Mr F. Finlay,... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was accompanied by the Foreign Secretary and by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Also present were: Sir R. Butler, Mr R. Lyne; Mr J. Chilcot, Mr Q. Thomas, Mr J. Stephens; Ambassador D. Blatherwick, Mr G. Archer and Mr R. Sawers. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach Welcome. We have had the benefit of some good meetings before lunch. The Prime Minister and I have agreed to go straight into the document. We have outlined between us the obstacles to be overcome and have agreed to go through the text on a... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
SECRET WORKING MEETING BETWEEN TAOISEACH AND PM MAJOR: DUBLIN CASTLE, 3 DECEMBER 1993 PLENARY SESSION A plenary session took place from 3 pm until 4. 30 pm and, after a break to permit internal consultations, resumed from approx. 5 pm until approx.... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
We started off with a June document which we rightly felt would deliver peace. If I had been asked ten days ago if I thought that it would deliver peace, I would have said Yes. We carried on for quite some time with the June document, taking on board... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
This brought us up to about a month ago, when things started to go wrong. Some people took the view that I was trying to blackmail the British Government into doing something it didn't want to do. That was not the case. We were always conscious of the... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Take Time to Assess the Possibility of a Cessation Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
We produced a document which, in our view, is very balanced and accommodating. It discards the known demands of the IRA. It ends the IRA demand for a declaration by the British of their intent to withdraw. It ends the insistence on a majority in the... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Loyalist violence is reactive. My information is that there is a lot of debate going on on the Loyalist side also. I am assured from three different directions that an opportunity now exists for that to stop also. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Agree a Text Today Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Prime Minister Well, that would be optimistic. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 2(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach The important thing for us to consider is how all the changes proposed upset the overall balance of the text. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 2(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach Since we left out of the document all of the IRA's fundamental aims, there could be certain readjustments which are required. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Prime Minister You asked us to wave this document at one or two prominent figures in Northern Ireland and to get some perception from certain people, both clerical and non-clerical. From this one point emerged: nowhere in these documents (sic) have we... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 5(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Addition to 5 Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
We cannot allow to go unchallenged the possibility, and the strong perception, that there is an opportunity for peace now which is waiting to be grasped. We cannot let the Provisional IRA get away with it. That would be untenable in political terms for... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
We both walked into the room this morning frustrated with what had happened over the past fortnight. I took the opportunity to discuss my frustrations with you and you raised yours with me. We looked at the problems very carefully next door. Both sides... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
In your text you are seeking balance. The events of the past fortnight have, in our view, altered the position. You referred to your efforts to meet the genuine fears of the Unionists. In some ways, your document makes quite a lucid attempt to meet... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
In that way, we would undermine our opponents. Mansergh demurred at the formulation envisaged. Prime Minister What I want is the principle that I have mentioned. I accept that "seek" might be the wrong word. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 5(2) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I am content with para 6. Two sentences in the middle could come out but, if you are content with them, I need not raise them. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 7(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Thomas The Anglo-Irish Agreement does not quite say that. That is an important objection. O hUiginn It is intended to be a fair paraphrase of what is said in the Agreement. Thomas It is an interpretation rather than a paraphrase. Nally The... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 7(1): Wording Change Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Prime Minister I see what you are getting at. We will have to come back to this later – as, indeed, we will have to come back to all of these points. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 7(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Addition to 7 Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
That would be the natural converse of what you have just inserted. Taoiseach I went through this in considerable detail with Eames and others. This is an area where you can clearly upset the balance. I will say no more. I am putting down a marker. It... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
In para 8, we have no change to propose. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 9(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Deletion of 10 and 11 and Addition of New 10 Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
(At this point the British proposal was circulated in typed form. The Prime Minister remarked, as a jocular aside, that the Anglo-Irish Agreement had become his bedtime reading, supplanting Trollope; on balance, however, he preferred Trollope). Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Nally Para 4 of the text is the core issue to be addressed. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
That should remove any misunderstanding while retaining what we have traditionally said. Taoiseach We will park it. I want to see the overall effect on that paragraph. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Butler I wonder if the significance of saying "the process of reaching such agreement" is clear to the Irish side. The point is that the British Government would not be joining the ranks of the persuaders. Taoiseach I recognized that the amendment... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(5) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(6) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mansergh So your sentence about self-determination would replace the existing one in the text? Prime Minister Yes. That is our lot. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Adjournment for Half an Hour Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
At this point, the meeting adjourned for half an hour in order to facilitate internal consultations. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
At this point, the meeting adjourned for half an hour in order to facilitate internal consultations. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The constitutional guarantee has been necessary from the outset. Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Confirmation That No Side Agreements Are Associated with the Declaration Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mansergh This goes into fairly specific mode. Taoiseach The British Government's White Paper of 1973 proposed a "Conference". We could perhaps change the name to " Conference". Thomas I think that the British Government were to be a member of the... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Confirmation That the Irish Government Considers the Declaration Compatible with the Talks Process Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Sinn Féin Not to Enter Talks Immediately Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Taoiseach to Issue an Assurance That the Declaration Would Be a Basis for a PIRA Ceasefire Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
(He elaborated that if they made the Declaration in the expectation of peace, they would wish to justify this expectation on their side by reference to assurances from the Taoiseach, and not to anything which implied direct or indirect contacts with the IRA). Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
On the points raised by Butler, Nally confirmed there were no side agreements. The text was specifically designed to produce a result related to a certain set of people. It left out various other dimensions which could be covered in other ways. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
3. Nally then dealt formally with each of the four points raised at the last Butler-Nally meeting and conveyed the Taoiseach's formal assurances on each of the points involved. He emphasised there was no doubt in the Taoiseach's mind about rejecting... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach I have to say that my overall impression is that the balance of this text has been totally and absolutely offended. There is nothing in it on which the fellows can hang their hats. The balance of the document has been overwhelmingly... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Prime Minister You should look to see whether there is anything (in what I have proposed) which we have not said between us at some stage. Balance is a two-way operation. I do not want to replace IRA violence at one end with Loyalist violence at the... Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
4. O hUiginn said that if there was a cessation it would be difficult to justify a refusal to admit Sinn Fein to political dialogue in respect of their electoral support. As a practical matter, however, we assumed that the Unionists would find it... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: This statement was circulated.] Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Statement by the Taoiseach and the Prime Minister (29 October 1993) Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Statement by the Taoiseach and the Prime Minister (29 October 1993) Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Statement by the Taoiseach and the Prime Minister (29 October 1993) Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Statement by the Taoiseach and the Prime Minister (29 October 1993) Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
RB, DBlatherwick, J. Chilcot, QT. London Cabinet Office 7/12/93 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
RB, DBlatherwick, J. Chilcot, QT. London Cabinet Office 7/12/93 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
RB, DBlatherwick, J. Chilcot, QT. London Cabinet Office 7/12/93 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
__________________ Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Not Issue Joint Declaration in Brussels Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Downplay the Brussels Meeting to Avoid Speculation Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This letter was handed over during a Butler/Nally meeting on 7 December 1993.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Letter from Albert Reynolds to John Major (6 December 1993) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Irish Government Amendment to 2(4) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This text has been struck out.] 'and for the future,' JC. 7/1 Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
3.30 pm The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (Mr. Peter Brooke) With permission, Mr. Speaker, I will make a statement about political development in Northern Ireland. I am pleased to be able to inform the House that, following extensive... Tuesday March 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
3. Nally then dealt formally with each of the four points raised at the last Butler-Nally meeting and conveyed the Taoiseach's formal assurances on each of the points involved. He emphasised there was no doubt in the Taoiseach's mind about rejecting... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
3. Nally then dealt formally with each of the four points raised at the last Butler-Nally meeting and conveyed the Taoiseach's formal assurances on each of the points involved. He emphasised there was no doubt in the Taoiseach's mind about rejecting... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
15. Chilcot and Thomas underlined statements made by Irish spokespersons that the Initiative was not in competition with the Talks but rather was complementary. The Irish side agreed that this was so. If a cessation of violence were achieved, it would... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He confirmed the view that the Declaration would be compatible with the Talks process. If peace was established, the Talks process could complement the Declaration. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
On the fourth point he confirmed there were no direct contacts with the IRA on the Irish side either, so there could be no question of imputing direct contact to the British. He felt the Taoiseach would want to be helpful in the way they suggested. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The Irish delegation agreed to discuss this with the Taoiseach.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This text has been struck out.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
New Insertion of 'Generation' in 2(1) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This text has not been struck out, and appears in subsequent drafts.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The text -between hyphens- has been struck out. The text _between underscores_ has been underlined.] 2. [...] It is their aim to foster agreement and reconciliation, leading to a new political framework founded on consent and... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Addition to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} is written in pen.] 2. [...] They therefore make a solemn commitment to promote co-operation at all levels on the... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Amendment to 3 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Amendment to 3 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text _between underscored_ has been underlined, text -between hyphens- has been struck out, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 3. They also consider that the development of Europe will, of itself, require new... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text _between underscored_ has been underlined, text -between hyphens- has been struck out, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 3. They also consider that the development of Europe will, of itself, require new... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to 4(3) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. [...] The role of the British Government will be to encourage, assist and enable -_the... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to 4(4) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Addition to 4 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. [...] _-while- Their -fundamental interest- {concern} in -Northern Ireland- is to... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. [...] They accept that such agreement may, as of right, take the form of agreed... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. [...] They accept that such agreement may, as of right, take the form of agreed... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. [...] They reaffirm as a binding obligation that they will, for their part, introduce... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Addition to 5 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 5. The Taoiseach, on behalf of the Irish Government, considers that the lessons of Irish... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 5. The Taoiseach, on behalf of the Irish Government, considers that the lessons of Irish... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to 5(2) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 5. [...] He accepts, on behalf of the Irish Government, that the democratic right of... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 5. [...] He accepts, on behalf of the Irish Government, that the democratic right of... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, text _/_like this_/_ has been broken underlined and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 7. [Despite] _While recognizing_ _/_Both... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, text _/_like this_/_ has been broken underlined and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 7. [Despite] _While recognizing_ _/_Both... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Irish Government Amendment to 7(1) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, text _/_like this_/_ has been broken underlined and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 7. [Despite] _While recognizing_ _/_Both... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, text _/_like this_/_ has been broken underlined and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 7. [Despite] _While recognizing_ _/_Both... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 7. [...] _He confirmed that, in the event of an overall -accommodation being agreed-... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 7. [...] _He confirm-ed-{s} that, in the event of an overall -accommodation being... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] {_Q.Th._ replacing a claim of right to N.I. by an aspiration ... so that it fully reflects... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Second British Amendment to Alternative Irish Government Addition to 7 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to Second British Amendment to Alternative Irish Government Addition to 7 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: After the Irish side rejected Quentin Thomas' proposal to commit to replacing the claim of right with an aspiration, we only have the drafts to go on. These show that the Irish side's language was expanded by a brief reference to... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: After the Irish side rejected Quentin Thomas' proposal to commit to replacing the claim of right with an aspiration, we only have the drafts to go on. These show that the Irish side's language was expanded by a brief reference to... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: After the Irish side rejected Quentin Thomas' proposal to commit to replacing the claim of right with an aspiration, we only have the drafts to go on. These show that the Irish side's language was expanded by a brief reference to... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to 9(1) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 9. The British and Irish Governments will seek_, along with the Northern Ireland... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 9. The British and Irish Governments will seek_, along with the Northern Ireland... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: It seems likely that the meeting broke, at least briefly, at this point to type up and table the interim draft retained in Dermot Nally's papers.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: From this point onwards, the British proposal to strike out paragraphs 10 and 11 and replace them with a new paragraph 10 was divided; the Irish government offered an amendment to the extra paragraph whilst also pressing for the... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Additional Paragraph Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] {-}_Irish Amendment_{-} {7/12/93 agreed} {10.} The British and Irish Governments... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Typographical Errors Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: When the text of the interim draft was tabled, it contained a variety of errors: not all of the new text was successfully underlined, and there were some differences between the text agreed and the text typed up. Some of these errors... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] {-}_Irish Amendment_{-} {7/12/93 agreed} {10.} The British and Irish Governments... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Consent Principles Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: When the text of the interim draft was tabled, it contained a variety of errors: not all of the new text was successfully underlined, and there were some differences between the text agreed and the text typed up. Some of these errors... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Constitutional Guarantees Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: When the text of the interim draft was tabled, it contained a variety of errors: not all of the new text was successfully underlined, and there were some differences between the text agreed and the text typed up. Some of these errors... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Amendment to 8(2) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This change to the text first appears as a handwritten annotation to the second annotated draft, indicating that it was made during discussion of the interim text. Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Mistranscription of Addition to 5 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: When the text of the interim draft was tabled, it contained a variety of errors: not all of the new text was successfully underlined, and there were some differences between the text agreed and the text typed up. Some of these errors... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Addition to 7(8) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This change is not indicated in any marginal annotations to the first annotated draft; it appears for the first time in the second annotated draft, typed up as if it had been agreed. It is unclear whether the language was formally... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This change to the text first appears as a handwritten annotation to the second annotated draft, indicating that it was made during discussion of the interim text. Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Removal of 'British' before 'Prime Minister' Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This change to the text first appears as a handwritten annotation to the second annotated draft, indicating that it was made during discussion of the interim text.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Amendment to 5(2) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This change to the text first appears as a handwritten annotation to the second annotated draft, indicating that it was made during discussion of the interim text. Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Punctuation Change in British Government Amendment to 2(4) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This amendment, as typed up for the meeting, included an additional comma which was not there in the amendment as proposed on 3 December 1993.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Punctuation Changes Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: These changes to the text first appear as handwritten annotations to the second annotated draft, indicating that they were made during discussion of the interim text.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Consistent Spelling of 'Recognise' Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: These changes were made to the document as it was typed up to standardize the spelling of 'recognise'. Nobody objected to them during the meeting, and they were retained in later versions of the text.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: Magee-Loyalist Bilaterals
Loyalist List of Right and Principles Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The second of these principles is very similar to a principle in the list of principles passed to the Irish government by Reverend Magee on behalf of Loyalist paramilitaries. We have copied the document into that committee to show the... Wednesday September 1993Committee: Magee-Loyalist Bilaterals
List of Principles for Peace Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Politicans Inciting Paramilitaries Wednesday September 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This document was taken back to the Irish government delegation.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
ROINN AN TAOISIGH SECRET & PERSONAL NORTHERN IRELAND Note:- As arranged, I phoned Cabinet Secretary Butler this morning to discuss changes in the text of the draft Joint Declaration, following the Brussels meetings. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
As arranged, I phoned Cabinet Secretary Butler this morning to discuss changes in the text of the draft Joint Declaration, following the Brussels meetings. Monday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Report Amendments Made During Brussels Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The amendments made during Brussels were reported back to the British and Irish government delegations respectively. They were also discussed further in a Nally/Butler meeting on 13 December 1993.] Saturday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Insert the Names of the Principals Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: There is a copy of the Joint Declaration from Dermot Nally's papers with amendments marked 'M/M (Phone). on 12/12/93'. It is not clear whether Dermot Nally and Martin Mansergh were discussing and agreeing the amendments over the phone,... Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: On this draft there are carets following the titles of the two heads of government, but their names have not been inserted. The insertion of the names is also not in the amendments reported by the British delegation following the... Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment has been ticked in black pen without either of the changes proposed by John Hume being made. This indicates that the decision was taking to drop those further amendments and the text agreed.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Martin Mansergh and Dermot Nally spoke over the phone.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment has been ticked in black pen without either of the changes proposed by John Hume being made. This indicates that the decision was taking to drop those further amendments and the text agreed.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment has been ticked in black pen without either of the changes proposed by John Hume being made. This indicates that the decision was taking to drop those further amendments and the text agreed.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
{still to ratify} Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These notes, on opposite sides of the page, both refer to the 'as of right' clause, which has been underlined in the text.] {Take out. –No.} {legitimately. NO.} Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These notes, on opposite sides of the page, both refer to the 'as of right' clause, which has been underlined in the text.] {Take out. –No.} {legitimately. NO.} Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Roderic Lyne's other two proposed alternatives are not mentioned here.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Roderic Lyne's other two proposed alternatives are not mentioned here.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
including a sovereign united Ireland* * (1) inc. an independent Ireland OR (2) agreed independent structures for the island as a whole. Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
including a sovereign united Ireland* * (1) inc. an independent Ireland OR (2) agreed independent structures for the island as a whole. Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment has been ticked via an annotation in the margin in black pen, indicating it was agreed during the meeting between Martin Mansergh and Dermot Nally.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
{one or two minor things: T personally to PM: reserved area. – Forum for peace & reconciliation – convention paras in: other out?–T. No moral lectures: Sunday December 1993Committee: British Government
Insertion of 'Properly' Sunday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Despite being rejected by Roderic Lyne during the meeting, this amendment was reported back to Dermot Nally.] Saturday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Substitution of 'Help' for 'Assist' Sunday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Substitution of 'Help' for 'Assist' Sunday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Deletion of 'Consistent with this,' Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: At this point the Magee list was presented, so the notice given of it was no longer relevant.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Inclusion of the Magee List Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: At this point the addition of the words 'the island of' in paragraph 3, which had been agreed during Brussels, was confirmed: this addition was inserted and ticked in black and blue.] 3. [...] both parts of {^the island of} Ireland [...] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
{Par 4. dependent on end.} Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Draft Declaration Amendments and Commentary Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
This paper is based on a discussion between Seán O hUiginn of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Mr Dermot Nally and the undersigned. Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 2 Irish Amendment 'Beginning now and over the coming generation, it is their aim to foster agreement and reconciliation, leading to a new political framework funded on agreement and consent'. Comment This amendment is vital, as it is the only... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para 2. British Amendment '... agreement and consent encompassing arrangements within Northern Ireland, for the whole island and between these islands'. Comment Acceptable Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Comment This would be a better position for a reference to the guarantee than para. 4. Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para 4. British Amendment 'The Prime Minister reiterates on behalf of the British Government that (while their fundamental interest in Northern Ireland is to uphold by all legitimate means the democratic wishes of its people as to their constitutional... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Fall-Back Addition to Paragraph 4 Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 4 British Amendment 'They accept that such agreement may (as) of right take the form of agreed (independent) structures for the island as a whole'. Comment Unacceptable. The 'may' is very contingent. It will look as if the British are jibbing... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 4(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Fall-Back Irish Government Amendment to 4(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Amendment Para. 4 Introduce legislative effect 'to any measure of agreement on future relationships in Ireland which the people living in Ireland may themselves freely and collectively determine'. Comment Deletion of 'collectively' is... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 4 Existing Text The role of the British Government will be to encourage, assist and enable such agreement over a period through a process of dialogue and co-operation based on full respect for the rights and identities of both traditions in... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Text The British Government reaffirm Northern Ireland's statutory guarantee, agree that the people of the island of Ireland North and South should be free separately without coercion or violence to determine whether a united Ireland should be... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 5 British Amendment 'The Taoiseach, on behalf of the Irish Government considers that the lessons of Irish history, and especially of Northern Ireland, show that stability and well-being will not be found under any (new) political system which is... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 5 British Amendment to Taoiseach's paragraph 'He accepts on behalf of the Irish Government, that the democratic right of self-determination by the people of Ireland as a whole must be (achieved and exercised with - delete) (and substitute... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to 5(2) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 5 British Amendment 'it would be wrong to seek a united Ireland, unless a majority of the people of Northern Ireland freely consented'. Comment/Fall-back position As it stands, totally unacceptable (the Willie Ross position). Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Addition to 5 Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 7 Irish Amendments to Irish text Very minor verbal amendments (affirmed through the Anglo-Irish Agreement' instead of in the Anglo-Irish Agreement) 'While recognizing' instead of 'But, notwithstanding' the solemn affirmation by both Governments, etc. Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 7 Irish Amendment Spelling out of Art. I and incorporating a John Hume paraphrase of Art. I of the Anglo-Irish Agreement 'that Irish unity can be achieved only by those who favour this outcome persuading those who do not'. By making it clear... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Para. 7 British Amendment 'He confirms that in the event of an overall accommodation being agreed, the Irish Government will put forward proposals for a change in the Irish Consitution whereby the claim of right to Northern Ireland is no longer... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Fall-Back Irish Government Addition to 7 Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Fall-Back Irish Government Possibel Further Addition to 7 Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Paras. 10 & 11 The Convention British propose deletion and substitution of their text (see below). Convention is probably vital element for SF - the only concrete alternative to the military strategy. It is entirely within the Irish jurisdiction.... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
M/M 6/12 Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Although the amendment 'and facilitate' has been added in here, records from meetings later in the day have led the editors to think the suggestion was not made until later in the day. It seems likely this working copy of the... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendments to New British Government Paragraph Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Although the amendment 'and facilitate' has been added in here, records from meetings later in the day have led the editors to think the suggestion was not made until later in the day. It seems likely this working copy of the... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Butler: terrible trouble with lawyers Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Agreement on Legal Status of Joint Declaration Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British to Drop Objection to 'as of right' Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
– elaborate in Dail on lines of 10 & 11. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Robin Butler's Changes to the British Government Amendment to Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Roderic Lyne's 'non-paper' became the basis for further discussion of the final paragraph between Robin Butler and Dermot Nally on 13 December 1993.] Saturday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
New Final Paragraph: "Non-Paper" Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
New Final Paragraph: "Non-Paper" Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The version of the final paragraph discussed during this meeting was the 'non-paper' tabled by Roderic Lyne.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The version of the final paragraph discussed during this meeting was the 'non-paper' tabled by Roderic Lyne.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: It is clear from both working drafts that the text they were working from for discussion of the final paragraph was Robin Butler's 'non-paper'.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
First Pending 'Non-Paper' Amendment to Final Paragraph Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Second Pending 'Non-Paper' Amendment to Final Paragraph Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Third Pending 'Non-Paper' Amendment to Final Paragraph Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: It is clear from both working drafts that the text they were working from for discussion of the final paragraph was Robin Butler's 'non-paper'.] Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
First Pending 'Non-Paper' Amendment to Final Paragraph Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Second Pending 'Non-Paper' Amendment to Final Paragraph Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Third Pending 'Non-Paper' Amendment to Final Paragraph Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This text has been square bracketed in black pen, indicating that it was disagreed to during the meeting with Martin Mansergh.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 'Non-Paper' Final Paragraph Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment was put to Robin Butler on 13 December 1993.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Alternative Amendment to Final Paragraph Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 'Non-Paper' Final Paragraph Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: In order to make the changes, we have followed the changes indicated in blue pen on the attached copies of the declaration and final paragraph (P254/81 and P254/85). Wherever necessary, we have cross-referenced this with the British... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: No further comments have been added to the paper in black pen.] Sunday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
In particular, we were suggesting the inclusion of the six rights, as in attached note, before the last sentence in paragraph 5. This was to meet a point made by the Reverend Magee, on behalf of Unionist and Loyalist interests and should, therefore,... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
On paragraphs 10 to 12 in the draft (the Convention) I said, following discussion with the Taoiseach, that the Taoiseach's information was that Molyneaux did not like the word "Convention", but otherwise did not have a major problem with the idea. The... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a full record of this meeting. The text below comes from a note written by Dermot Nally of a phone call with Robin Butler.] I said, following discussion with the Taoiseach, [...] Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a full record of this meeting. The text below comes from a note written by Dermot Nally of a phone call with Robin Butler.] I said, following discussion with the Taoiseach, [...] Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a full record of this meeting. The text below comes from a note written by Dermot Nally of a phone call with Robin Butler.] I said, following discussion with the Taoiseach, that the Taoiseach's information was that... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Note on the Likelihood of Success of the Joint Declaration Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
He would like the Prime Minister to know, before he goes into the meeting of Ministers this morning on the Declaration, that if these changes were agreed in paragraphs 10 and 11, and paragraph 12 omitted, the Declaration would stand a very good chance... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We have no further record of this meeting.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Note on the Likelihood of Success of the Joint Declaration Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Timing of Phone Call Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this proposal.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
DN ________ Dermot Nally, 13 December, 1993. c.c. Secretary to the Government, Mr. Frank Murray, Dr. Martin Mansergh Assistant Secretary O'hUiginn, Dept. of Foreign Affairs. Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Agreement on Legal Status of Joint Declaration Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The amendment Robin Butler put to Dermot Nally at this point is recognisable as a version of the amendment proposed on 10 December 1993 within the British government delegation. However, he seems to have made some small changes to it... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD15 Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'assist' from 4 Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Substitution of 'help' for 'assist' Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Deletion of 'as of right' Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Various references were made to this phone call, but we have no record of it. The text below is taken from Dermot Nally's record of his phone call with Robin Butler on the morning of 13 December 1993. We have also attached a briefing... Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD15 Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'assist' from 4 Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Substitution of 'help' for 'assist' Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Deletion of 'as of right' Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Alternative Paragraphs 10-12 Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: These alternative paragraphs were reported to the Taoiseach. It is not clear whether, how, or when they were also reported back to the British government delegation.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Addition of 'Irish Government' to 10(1) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: These amendments have been made in the same blue pen and handwriting used to amend Nally's copy of the draft declaration. It is not clear when or where they were proposed, or by whom: since the only reference to the draft is in this... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Addition of 'with any party' to 10(2) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: These amendments have been made in the same blue pen and handwriting used to amend Nally's copy of the draft declaration. It is not clear when or where they were proposed, or by whom: since the only reference to the draft is in this... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Alternative Paragraphs 10-12 Monday December 1993