This project models the series of formal and informal negotiations which led to the publication, in December 1993, of a declaration issued jointly by the British and Irish Governments. The Joint Declaration was a critical policy document which paved the way for a ceasefire and the entry of Sinn Féin into formal talks. It also laid out a shared set of principles – including, crucially, self-determination for the people of Ireland subject to the consent of the people of Northern Ireland – which would come to underpin the Belfast Good Friday Agreement and provide a framework for its ratification.
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Committee: Irish Government
Deletion of 'as of right' Sunday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: JD12A was the version shown to Molyneaux during the meeting with John Major.] I enclose a speaking note in bull point form and an annotated version of the Joint Declaration text for the Prime Minister; and copies of a slightly revised... Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
Notice of Inclusion of the Magee List Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Insert the Names of the Principals Sunday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Robin Butler attended this meeting on behalf of John Major.] Sunday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Ref. AO93/1906 MR LYNE ——— Meeting with the Taoiseach: 6 June 1993 Following the Taoiseach's telephone call to the Prime Minister on Saturday 5 June, I went to Dublin this evening and met the Taoiseach at Baldonnell air base. The Taoiseach had... Sunday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The meeting adjourned.] Sunday June 1993Committee: Irish Government
The significance of the present version was that the Taoiseach had received confirmation – last Thursday, as it emerged during our conversation – that this draft had been accepted by the Provisional Army Council as a basis for a lasting cessation of violence. Thursday May 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: When Albert Reynolds took over from Charles Haughey he was still interested in further developing the idea of a Joint Declaration.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: JD6 was handed over to the British Government in a meeting between Reynolds and Butler on 6 June 1993.] Sunday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Irish Government
Aide-Mémoire from the Irish Government Accompanying JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The Irish Government aide-mémoire was handed over to the British Government in a meeting between Reynolds and Butler on 6 June 1993.] Sunday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
6. I am copying this minute and the attachments to the Private Secretaries to the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and to Sir David Gillmore and Mr Chilcot. Sunday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
6. I am copying this minute and the attachments to the Private Secretaries to the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and to Sir David Gillmore and Mr Chilcot. Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Aide-Mémoire from the Irish Government Accompanying JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Commentary: Joint Declaration Text 6 and Irish Government Aide-Mémoire Thursday June 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
CORRECTED VERSION (PARAGRAPH 5 AMENDED) From: G R Archer Republic of Ireland Dept Date: 4 October 1993 cc: PS/SOSNI B PS/Michael Ancram B PS/PUS B PS/Mr Fell B Mr Bell B Mr Watkins B Mr Williams B Mr Maccabe B Mr Brooker B Mr Cooke B Mrs Collins... Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The updated draft of the Joint Declaration was handed over to Quentin Thomas by Seán Ó hUiginn on 1 October 1993, where it became JD9 in the British numbering system. The version below contains a few transcription errors, which we have... Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Addition to 3 Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The final draft circulated on 7 November was published as a press statement ahead of the Secretary of State's speech.] Friday November 1990Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The alternative British draft was shared with Jim Molyneaux during a bilateral meeting with Patrick Mayhew.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Aide-Mémoire from the Irish Government Accompanying JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Peter Bell attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: David Watkins attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Martin Williams attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Chris Maccabe attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: David Blatherwick attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Graham Archer attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Declan O'Donovan attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: David Donoghue attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Mr Carr attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Rory Montgomery attended Anglo-Irish Liaison group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
You were accompanied from the NIO by Mr Bell, Mr Watkins, Mr Williams and Mr Maccabe. The Ambassador and I were also present. The Irish fielded Mr O hUiginn, Mr O'Donovan, Mr Donoghue and Messrs Carr and Montgomery of Anglo/Irish Division... Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Ancram Talks Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Assurances of Confidentiality Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: 'Mr Thomas sought and obtained assurances'.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Maccabe then gave some details of Michael Ancram's recent contacts. The bilaterals had all covered similar ground and all three strands. They had sought to identify what was bankable, contingently bankable, remotely bankable and not acceptable. The... Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
3. Mr O hUiginn asked about the acceptability of double referenda. Mr Maccabe said that Unionists appeared to accept that it was for the Irish Government to decide what happened in the South. Mr Thomas said that the technical difficulties were for the... Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
4. Mr O hUiginn asked whether the Sunday Times Irish edition account of "Breaking the Mould" was right. Mr Thomas said that it did not seem implausible. The paper seemed to be a typical piece of Robinson ingenuity. It got talks issues onto the DUP... Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Thomas handed over a first draft of the framework document to Ó hUiginn on 24 September 1993. It was then discussed in a meeting of the Liaison Group on 1 October 1993.] Friday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Framework Agreement [First British Draft as Discussed in Liaison Group on 1 October 1993] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Any Use of Papers Must Be Agreed by Both Governments Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Barry White Interview Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas readily agreed. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 1 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Changes to Paragraph 1 to Clarify Purpose and Intention Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this suggestion, and the meeting moved on to consider the next paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the next paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 2 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: We have created this delegate to attach to statements, decisions and papers attributed to the British Government delegation.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: We have created this delegate to attach to statements, decisions and papers attributed to the Irish Government delegation.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Changes to 'Complement' in Paragraph 2 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this suggestion, and the meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 3 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No changes were suggested to paragraph 3.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 4 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No changes were suggested to paragraph 4.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 5 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Changes to Paragraph 5 to Decouple Governmental Relationship from Views of Constitutional NI Parties Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this suggestion, and the meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraphs 6-11 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Examine Paragraphs 6-11 alongside 9 October 1992 Principles Paper Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Examine Paragraphs 6-11 alongside 9 October 1992 Principles Paper whilst Considering Unionist Reception Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this suggestion.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No further objection was made to this suggestion.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the next paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 12 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Changes to Paragraph 12 to Distinguish between Individuals and Groups Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this suggestion.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Changes to Paragraph 12 to Confine Rights Language to Northern Ireland Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas said that it would not be easy for the two governments to ignore North/South reciprocity in enunciating principles: the way machinery worked might be a different matter. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Changes to Paragraph 12 to Consider Reciprocity Further Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: It was tacitly agreed that this would be a point to further consider.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 13 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
– Paragraph 13. The Irish saw no immediate problem but Mr O'Donovan suggested they might want to comment after further thought. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 14 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Changes to Paragraph 14 to Afford Less Prominence to Devolution Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Donoghue said this had been an unclear area in the Barry White interview. Mr Thomas reported that the draft followed the order of Strands 1, 2 and 3. He suggested the issue could be safely dealt with in terms of general principles. Mr Bell said that... Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Northern Ireland Office to Prepare a Commentary on JD6 and Aide-Mémoire Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The Northern Ireland Office produced a commentary on JD6 and the accompanying aide-mémoire, as requested by Robin Butler.] Thursday June 1993Committee: British Government
Annotations to the Joint Declaration Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Annotations to Aide-Mémoire from the Irish Government Accompanying JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: On 4 December 1991, Haughey and Major met to discuss the Joint Declaration for the first time.] Saturday December 1990Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Butler attended this meeting on invitation.] Sunday June 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Following the Taoiseach's telephone call to the Prime Minister on Saturday 5 June, I went to Dublin this evening and met the Taoiseach at Baldonnell air base. [...] Robin Butler Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Aide-Mémoire from the Irish Government Accompanying JD6 Sunday June 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The salient features of the document were explained in the note accompanying it, of which Butler had a copy. He would appreciate the magnitude of the move by Sinn Féin and the Provos represented by their recognition of the need for consent, within... Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from Robin Butler Recording a Meeting with Albert Reynolds Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
6. I am copying this minute and the attachments to the Private Secretaries to the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and to Sir David Gillmore and Mr Chilcot. Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
6. I am copying this minute and the attachments to the Private Secretaries to the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and to Sir David Gillmore and Mr Chilcot. Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
6. I am copying this minute and the attachments to the Private Secretaries to the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and to Sir David Gillmore and Mr Chilcot. Sunday June 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD8 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: JD8 was circulated.] Friday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Hume-Adams Statement (25 September 1993) Saturday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Include Reference to Power-Sharing Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas reminded him of the troubled history of the word. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Include Implicit Reference to Power-Sharing Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from Albert Reynolds to John Major (7 September 1993) Tuesday September 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Redraft 'sufficient electoral support' Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting moved on to consider the following paragraph.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 15 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Reference to Westminster Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas had to remind him that it was based on the March 26 language. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No further objections were made to paragraph 15.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 16 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Redraft of the Last Clause as a Separate Paragraph Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: 'It was agreed'.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas accepted that the group might be driven back to look again at the wording on Article 4 of the Anglo-Irish Agreement. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No further objection was made to paragraph 16.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
North/South Institutions Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Amend Paragraph 22 to Give More Prominence to the European Dimension Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Improve Paragraph 25 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Include 'Bond of Union' Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas doubted if they would fit here. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting adjourned.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Paragraph 27 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Agreement to Leave the Remainder of the Text for the Next Meeting Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Irish Paper to Follow ASAP Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr O hUiginn undertook that the Irish would consult together as quickly as possible. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Next Meeting on 14 October 1993 Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Next Meeting Planned for London (TBC) Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
It was agreed that while this could be in either country we should plan on London. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this suggestion, and the next meeting was held on 14 October 1993.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas stressed that there was a requirement that the group report back to Ministers in good time before the next IGC. He hoped the next meeting could deal with Irish ideas in detail and proposed that the meeting on the 14th should continue through... Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
15. Mr Thomas commented that there was a political point to be addressed about how an agreement should be made but there were also practical questions about what might be in an agreement. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Key Irish Considerations Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Insufficiency of the Foyle Fisheries Agreement Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
16. Mr O'Donovan asked how decisions on a remit could be taken. There was a problem in the present lack of symmetry between the positions of the two governments. 17. Mr O hUiginn said that the two governments might decide on a remit. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Arrangements for Scrutiny and Recall of Powers Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas commented that this might be tackled in two ways: full blown tripartism or provision for recall of powers if bodies disappeared. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Use of the Intergovernmental Conference Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas said that attractive and potentially useful though this might seem it was an enormously difficult idea. Much would depend on the drafting if it was not to be a nail in a coffin. Guaranteeing and monitoring were different ideas. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Alternatives to the Use of the Intergovernmental Conference Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Bell drew attention to paragraphs 24 and 26 of the paper. Both provided for an input by government and parliamentarians. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
19. Mr O hUiginn said that Dublin accepted that the people of Northern Ireland were the best people to administer affairs in Northern Ireland but it would be wrong if there was a mischievous use of powers to block what had been agreed. There was a need... Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr O'Donovan wondered whether there need be too much of a problem over a failsafe and a clawback device. Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: 'It was agreed'.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No conclusion was reached on these proposals at this meeting. We have adopted the suggestions to show them being incorporated into the working version of the document as it was reported back to the delegations.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No conclusion was reached on these proposals at this meeting. We have adopted the suggestions to show them being incorporated into the working version of the document as it was reported back to the delegations.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No conclusion was reached on these proposals at this meeting. We have adopted the suggestions to show them being incorporated into the working version of the document as it was reported back to the delegations.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No conclusion was reached on these proposals at this meeting. We have adopted the suggestions to show them being incorporated into the working version of the document as it was reported back to the delegations.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No conclusion was reached on these proposals at this meeting. We have adopted the suggestions to show them being incorporated into the working version of the document as it was reported back to the delegations.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No conclusion was reached on these proposals at this meeting. We have adopted the suggestions to show them being incorporated into the working version of the document as it was reported back to the delegations.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No conclusion was reached on these proposals at this meeting. We have adopted the suggestions to show them being incorporated into the working version of the document as it was reported back to the delegations.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: No conclusion was reached on these proposals at this meeting. We have adopted the suggestions to show them being incorporated into the working version of the document as it was reported back to the delegations.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Both sides reported back on the suggestions made to the paper during the meeting.] Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Framework Agreement [First British Draft as Discussed in Liaison Group on 1 October 1993] Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Framework Agreement [First British Draft as Discussed in Liaison Group on 1 October 1993] Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Minute Following Liaison Group Meeting on 1 October 1993 Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
Reply to 4 October 1993 Minute Addressing Default Mechanisms Wednesday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Internal Paper 6. Mr O hUiginn said the Irish appreciated the work that the British side had put into the draft for a framework paper. The paper was not so one-sided that the Irish could not use it as the basis for discussion. The section from... Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
It would be for ministers to decide what to do with a paper from the group. It could be presented to others if both governments agreed, alternatively there could be a separate paper to show to others perhaps some form of joint statement. The need was... Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
FROM: S QUINN CENT SEC PLANNING UNIT DATE: 18 OCTOBER 1993 cc PS/SofS (L&B) – B PS/Michael Ancram (DENI, L&B) – B PS/PUS (L&B) – B PS/Mr Fell – B Mr Bell – B Mr Watkins – B Mr Williams – B Mr Cooke – B Mr Maccabe – B Mr Brooker – B Mrs Collins – B Mr... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
1. In attendance: On the British side, Mr Thomas, HMA Dublin, Mr Bell, Mr Williams, Mr Cooke, Mr Maccabe and Mr Quinn; and from the Irish Side, Mr OhUiginn, Mr Small, Mr O'Donovan and Mr Donoghue. Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: David Cooke attended Anglo-Irish Liaison Group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Mr Quinn attended Anglo-Irish Liaison Group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: Joseph Small attended Anglo-Irish Liaison Group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Detail 5. The meeting began with News from the Road: (a) Mr Maccabe referred to the DUP's meeting with Michael Ancram, ostensibly to discuss "Breaking the Logjam" but which focussed on the allegation that HMG was now engaged in a process which also... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
UUP Position on Sinn Féin Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Irish Government Contact with UUP Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Delay Document Deadline Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: The meeting of the minute does not explicitly record the adoption of this amendment. However, it was incorporated into the text written up after the meeting and included with the minute. Given the fact that the amendment accurately... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Incorporation of 9 October 1992 Strand 3 Paper 'Possible Principles for a New Agreement' Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
The British side undertook to consider these, but they did not seem obviously problematical. Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
8. These exchanges highlighted Irish concern that the para 5 reference to "fully [taking] account of the views of the ..... parties in NI" implied that the parties would have a procedural veto on the development of British/Irish relationships even if... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
He noted that one of the paragraphs the Irish Side suggested taking in from the paper of 9 October 1992 referred to a new agreement "arrived at through direct discussion and negotiation between all the parties concerned". Accordingly, there might not... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Irish Delegation Comments on the Draft Framework Document (14 October 1993) Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Expansion of Paragraphs 12 and 13 Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
10. Mr Thomas and Mr Bell registered that there could be both technical and political difficulties in entrenchment. Mr Thomas said that the language would therefore be particularly important. Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Mr Thomas recalled that he had suggested at the last meeting that, at the level of principle, it was difficult to see why statements should not bite on both jurisdictions, even if machinery applied only in respect of NI. Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
IMMEDIATE FROM: D A L COOKE SIL/TPU 22 OCTOBER 1993 cc PS/Michael Ancram (L,B&DENI) – B PS/PUS (L&B) – B PS/Mr Fell – B Mr Thomas – B Mr Bell – B Mr Williams – B Mr Watkins – B Mr Maccabe – B Mr Brooker – B Mr Dodds – B Mrs Collins – B Mr Quinn –... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
2. The British side was Thomas, Bell, Williams, Watkins, Dew and Cooke. The Irish side was O hUiginn, O'Donovan, Donoghue, Montgomery and Corr. [Editors' Note: The editors have marked Mr Carr as present for the Irish delegation.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: John Dew attended Anglo-Irish Liaison Group meetings.] Friday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Irish Draft of the Framework Document Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
4. It appeared to be true that the Irish side had prepared a draft paper. Reading upside down, it looked to me as though they had a draft dated 18 October. 5. Mr O hUiginn said that the Irish side would try, EC payments crisis permitting, to get their... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
7. The meeting then left this topic, Mr O hUiginn confirming that the Irish side did not wish even to have further discussions there and then of points arising from the British draft. The meeting then worked through a make-weight agenda. Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Confidentiality Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Ancram Round 10. At the Irish side's request, the British side confirmed the most recent contacts within the Ancram Round, but did not offer any detailed briefing on substance. The Irish side asked whether there would be a written encapsulation of the... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Taoiseach's Bodenstown Speech Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Parliamentary Debate on Northern Ireland Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
IGC Handling Plan Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
13. On Hume/Adams, Mr Thomas said it would be desirable to avoid any suggestion that the Irish Government had made a report to the British Government. Any such discussion might better be subsequently explained as: taking stock; considering the... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
16. On a protocol point, Mr O hUiginn said that it would be important not to leave Minister Higgins cooling his heals for too long. 17. On format, Mr O hUiginn floated the possibility that an initial tete-a-tete session could be followed by the... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Consider Request by Gerry Adams for Meeting with IFI Chairman Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
18. After some discussion of this issue, Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Provide the Chairman with a Dual Briefing and Let Him Decide Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Allow Chairman to Choose between Joint Oral Briefing and Letter Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
As follow-up action it was agreed that it would be ascertained whether the Chairman would be content to have a joint oral briefing, or whether he wanted a letter. Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
18. After some discussion of this issue, it was agreed that the Chairman could be briefed in such a way as to inform him of the considerations which weighed first with the British side, and secondly with the Irish side, while making it clear that the... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Joint Briefing of the Commission and European Parliament Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Return to Joint Briefing Discussion when Appropriate Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
It was agreed that the two sides should return to this subject later when more was known about whether there was anything in it. Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
The Irish side thought this might be premature. They have not given much thought to the issue. They were not sure that the Sinn Fein Office would amount to much. Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
20. The meeting ended with another apology from Mr O hUiginn. It had become apparent to the Irish side that it would not be possible to have a lengthy discussion of their paper, since this would not be tabled, too late for the Irish side to arrange to... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: This was incorporated into the comments made on the draft paper.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
11. In response to questioning, Mr OhUiginn said that reciprocity on issues such as human and communal rights was not ruled out a priori, but it would involve a "deep change" in the AIA approach. He recognised that the notion of communal rights would... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Revision of Paragraph 14 Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
[Editors' Note: This was incorporated into the comments made on the draft paper.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
13. A fuller discussion took place on the section dealing with North/South Institutions. During this Mr O'hUiginn made the point that, if certain functions were vested in North/South institutions by Westminster legislation, then they would be protected... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Use of the IGC for Scrutiny Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
14. Mr Thomas asked if the Irish were seek [sic] to achieve political resonance rather than functional advantages, and whether the Irish had a list of specific functions which should go to a North/South body. Mr OhUiginn said that such arrangements... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Intergovernmental Relations 16. This part of the discussion majored on the role of the successor to the IGC in the context of a new set of institutional arrangements. Mr OhUiginn indicated that it was common ground that transferred matters would not... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
19. Mr Thomas said that, if gridlock occurred in new NI institutions (Mr Williams added North/South institutions) then naturally the two Governments would discuss the position at the IGC, and that any action would be taken (implicitly by the British... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
20. The Irish also expressed concern about the unanimity requirement for Panel decisions. If this took the form of an "affirmative resolution", then the power of the nationalist representative would provide a substantial safeguard. However unanimity... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
21. Mr OhUiginn accepted that the IGC should not be invoked or invokable for frivolous or tactical reasons, and that the "triggers" would need to be carefully defined and circumscribed. The Irish side referred to Section 75 of the GOIA, which preserved... Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Next Meeting at 10.20 on 21 October 1993 Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Liaison Group
Next Meeting 30. It was agreed that Liaison Group should next meet at 10.20am on 21 October in Dublin. It would be necessary for the Irish side to circulate its proposed revise of the Framework Document in advance. Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
Pencil Amendments to Draft Letter to Roderic Lyne Monday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Later drafts of this letter and the attached Annex A confirm that these changes were made.] Monday September 1993Committee: British Government
Pen Amendments to Draft Letter to Roderic Lyne Monday September 1993Committee: British Government
Further Pen Amendments to Draft Letter to Roderic Lyne Monday September 1993Committee: British Government
Reply from John Major to Albert Reynolds Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Jonathan Stephens was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The text of the letter was finalised and sent on 27 September 1993.] Monday September 1993Committee: British Government
Lines to Take on Hume/Adams Monday September 1993Committee: British Government
Addition of Enclosures in Briefing Letter to Roderic Lyne (27 September 1993) Monday September 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. [...] The discussions between the Cabinet Secretaries began later in December when Mr Nally, but not Sir Robin Butler, had a text which had been given to the Irish side by Mr Hume. The text, headed Draft 2 (JD2), was eventually passed to Sir Robin... Sunday December 1991Committee: Hume-Adams
[Editors' Note: Since Hume was authorised to report his own impression of British Government engagement with the Joint Declaration back to the Provisionals (see s20824), it seems likely that he may have done so via Gerry Adams at some point in January.] Monday January 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: On 4 December 1991, Haughey and Major met to discuss the Joint Declaration for the first time.] Saturday December 1990Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The letter is dated as 27 February 1992, but this is likely an oversight, as other evidence indicates that the meeting took place on 26 February 1992.] 27 February 1992 Dear William, NORTHERN IRELAND: THE PRIME MINISTER'S TALK WITH... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
JOINT DECLARATION INITIATIVE (JDI): PHONE CALL FROM MR O hUIGINN Mr O hUiginn telephoned me to report that the Irish side have been looking again at JD.8 and would like to substitute a new paragraph 4 in JD.8 for the text he gave me on Friday. Tuesday September 1993Committee: British Government
Briefing Letter to Roderic Lyne (27 September 1993) Monday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Later drafts of this letter and the attached Annex A confirm that these changes were made.] Monday September 1993Committee: British Government
Final Textual Amendments to Letter to Roderic Lyne Monday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
3. On 10 January 1992 Hume met the Prime Minister privately and asked for authority to tell the Provisionals that the British Government, like the Irish Government, saw a serious possibility of making progress with this initiative. After careful... Friday January 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas was present for this phone call.] Tuesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn was present for this phone call.] Tuesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn and Quentin Thomas were present for this phone call.] Tuesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
Updated Paragraph 4 (28 September 1993) Tuesday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
As conveyed by O hUiginn on 28.9.93 Tuesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Updated Paragraph 4 (28 September 1993) Tuesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. Mr O hUiginn mentioned in addition: (i) appreciation on his side, including by his Ministers, of my phone call to him on Saturday evening suggesting the public line we would take on the Hume/Adams demarche. This, he said, had been most... Tuesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Delegation to Respond by Friday Tuesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: At this point the meeting adjourned.] Tuesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The updated version of JD4 was conveyed to the British delegation for consideration.] Tuesday September 1993Committee: British Government
Updated Paragraph 4 (28 September 1993) Tuesday September 1993Committee: British Government
In particular we should need a reference to the constitutional guarantee, and a much more careful formulation if we are to accept a text including the words "self-determination". I believe this latest version is a sign both of real Irish commitment and... Tuesday September 1993Committee: British Government
5. Accordingly I am not sure it is necessary to trouble the Prime Minister with this revision in advance of the discussion planned for the margins of NI Committee. But the Secretary of State will no doubt want to mention this as evidence of the spirit... Tuesday September 1993Committee: British Government
New Paragraph 4 3. I made no comment to Mr O hUiginn about the new formulation of paragraph 4 which he had given me on the phone. Nor did I say anything to suggest that we might have a new formulation of our own to offer. Tuesday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Danny McNeill wrote a briefing on 'Political Movement and the Provisionals'.] Thursday January 1991Committee: British Government
Briefing: Political Movement and the Provisionals (24 January 1991) Thursday January 1991Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
7. In May 1992 Hume reported a new draft (JD4) which appeared to have originated in the Department of Foreign Affairs in Dublin. This draft committed HMG to the collective exercise of self-determination by the Irish people, and was then further amended... Friday May 1992Committee: Hume-Adams
8. Whether Hume had been continuing to meet Adams during this period is unclear. The fact of meetings between Hume and Adams was discovered on 10 April 1993, and as a result they issued a joint statement which accepted "that the Irish people as a whole... Friday April 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
5. Shortly before that meeting Hume had given a new text (JD3) separately to the Irish and British sides, which, he said, had the approval of the Provisional Army Council. The Provisionals were expecting Hume to broker JD3 initially with the Irish... Thursday February 1992Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
5. Shortly before that meeting Hume had given a new text (JD3) separately to the Irish and British sides, which, he said, had the approval of the Provisional Army Council. The Provisionals were expecting Hume to broker JD3 initially with the Irish... Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
9. Then, on 5 June 1993, the Taoiseach telephoned the Prime Minister, Saturday June 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
10. On 8 June Hume told John Chilcot, PUS NIO, that he did not like JD6 and had a new version which he would put to Adams (he did not hand over a draft at this stage). Tuesday June 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
10. On 8 June Hume told John Chilcot, PUS NIO, that he did not like JD6 and had a new version which he would put to Adams (he did not hand over a draft at this stage). Tuesday June 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
10. On 8 June Hume told John Chilcot, PUS NIO, that he did not like JD6 and had a new version which he would put to Adams (he did not hand over a draft at this stage). Tuesday June 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Hume is the only permanent member of this committee.] Tuesday June 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
10. [...] In late June Hume sought a meeting with the Prime Minister to discuss the Initiative and (presumably) to hand over the draft he had mentioned previously to Chilcot. That meeting was unavoidably delayed and on 9 July Hume handed his new text... Friday July 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Tête-à-Tête Meetings
On 10 September the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland spoke briefly about JD6 to Mr Spring at their tete-à-tete a the beginning of that day's Intergovernmental Conference. Friday September 1993Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
[Editor's Note: Fr Raymond Murray wrote the proposals alongside Fr Alec Reid.] Monday October 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editor's Note: J.E. McConnell received the call from Father Alec Reid.] Tuesday February 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
CONFIDENTIAL & PERSONAL PAB/3696/AG PS/Secretary of State (L&B) - B cc PS/PUS (L&B) - B. Mr Burns - B CONVERSATION WITH FATHER ALEC REID (CLONARD MONASTARY) Father Reid rang me on 9 February to ask me to try and get details about a prisoner who... Tuesday February 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
1. Father Reid contacted me on 8 August to ask for a meeting to discuss two prisoners, his usual excuse for a meeting, and I arranged to meet him in my office at Stormont House on Friday 11 August. Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Life Sentence Review Board Discussion Tuesday February 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Arrangements for Further Call Tuesday February 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Reid Summary of the PIRA Position Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
At this point I [Editors' Note: John McConnell] told him that time was not on the side of Sinn Fein/PIRA, that they were losing popular support and resorting to outmoded and outdated rhetoric to justify killing people. 5. I went on to say that I was... Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[...] but he responded by saying that there are two sides and that he wished it was a seamless robe because in those circumstances there would be less difficulty about achieving a single agreed policy. He did agree there was dual membership in some... Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
A Possible Dialogue Between Gerry Adams and the British Government Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
In some frustration he replied saying that here again was the impasse, chicken and egg, that there was no way the Republican movement trusted the British government and for me to advocate some of the things I was saying was tantamount to asking them to... Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
A Possible Future Meeting between Alec Reid and John McConnell Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editor's Note: The telephone call ended.] Tuesday February 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
8. Fr Reid has a history of being used as an intermediary by Sinn Fein/PIRA in the past (INLA feud, John Hume/Gerry Adams and between the UDA and the PIRA) but as I reported before I am not sure whether he is acting as an individual trying to be a... Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
2. He rang me on 11 February Thursday February 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Participation of Republican Prisoners in the Life Sentence Review System Thursday February 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Following a telephone call yesterday with Father Reid I arranged to meet him in my office yesterday morning. The meeting lasted from 11.45 to 1.15. Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
The Position of Sinn Féin Thursday February 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
5. I spoke to Mr Burns about these conversations - he recommended that I record what has happened to date and he agreed that should Father Reid, when he calls me again, suggest a meeting that I bring him to Stormont House and meet him on my own... Thursday February 1988Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
[Editors' Note: Fr Alec Reid and Fr Raymond Murray wrote a set of proposals.] Monday October 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: A meeting between John Hume and Ian Burns took place on the 29 November 1989 in passing at Aldergrove Airport. The meeting has been modelled according to a letter by Ian Burns.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I responded very sceptically to this particular statement saying that it was hardly in keeping with the sort of things which were being done and said on behalf of the republican movement at the moment. Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Fr Reid replied saying that of course you would expect them to say that they were continuing to keep up the effort no matter what sort of a debate was going on. He seemed surprised that I even raised this particular point and went on to say that it was... Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Issuing of a Gun for Gerry Adams Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Conditions for a Ceasefire Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
FROM: I M BURNS, DUS(L) Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: David Kyle was present for part of this meeting.] Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
7. He ended by saying that he would be in touch again soon. 8. At no time did Fr Reid say he was acting as an intermediary and I am still unclear as to whether he is acting independently or otherwise though I am sure that he is speaking on a fairly... Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: John Hume met with Ian Burns and handed over several documents including the Reid/Murray proposals.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Father Reid lunched with me on 10 March at Stormont House. David Kyle was present for part of this time but Father Reid was sensitive about some of the more political issues and these we discussed alone. Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Fr Reid Update on Prison Situtation Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Have a meeting later in the week. Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: 'and Hume agreed'.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Disturbances in West Belfast Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
My conversation with Hume was very brief and hurried (we met by chance at the airport, with both of us going for different planes) and there was little time for him to say more than that copies of the correspondence had gone to Gerry Adams and to the Taoiseach. Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
FROM: I M BURNS DUS(L) 29 November 1989 cc Mr Thomas + encs. - Copy No.2 Mr Miles - ” - 3 Mr J McConnell + encs. - ” - 4 Mr Kirk - ” - 5 File copy No. 6 of 6 copies MR DANIELL- Copy No.1 Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Fr Reid wrote a letter to Tom King] Sunday September 1987Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Letter from Fr Reid) Sunday September 1987Committee: British Government
SIGNED I M BURNS 29 November 1989 OAB 6447 DUSL/MR/13214 Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
FROM: I M BURNS, DUS(L) Copy No 10 of 11 6 December 1989 cc: PS/PUS (L & B) (3&4) Mr Thomas (5) - B Mr Miles (6) - B Mr J McConnell (7) - B Mr Daniell (8) - B Mr Kirk (9) - B PS/SECRETARY OF STATE (LB) (1&2) - B Wednesday December 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I handed to the Secretary of State last week some papers which John Hume had given me (a letter from the Cardinal, covering a letter from Frs Reid and Murray, which in turn enclosed a "proposal for a democratic overall political and diplomatic strategy... Wednesday December 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Gibraltar Killings Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Role of Gerry Adams Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
SIGNED: I M BURNS 6 December 1989 OAB 6447 DUSL/KR/13389 Wednesday December 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: David Kyle was not a permanent member of this committee.] Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
SECRET Mr Burns - B CC PS/PUS (L&B) - B. Mr J Daniell DISCUSSION WITH FATHER ALEX REID Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
(signed) J E MCCONNELL Political Affairs Division 14 March 1988 AG883 Thursday March 1988Committee: British Government
ROM/953/89/SH FROM: R O MILES US(POL) 13 December 1989 cc PS/SofS (L&B) [3&4] PS/PUS (L&B) [5&6] Mr Thomas [7] Mr J McConnell [8] Mr Daniell [9] Mr Kirk [10] MR BURNS [1] Wednesday December 1989Committee: British Government
SECRET Copy No. of 7 PS/S of S (L&B). c.c. PS/PUS (L&B) Thursday March 1988Committee: British Government
(signed) I.M. Burns 17 March 1988 Thursday March 1988Committee: British Government
Contact with Alec Reid Thursday March 1988Committee: British Government
(signed) R O Miles Tuesday August 1989Committee: British Government
Mr Daniell Tuesday August 1989Committee: British Government
6. All the above relates to the initiative covered in these papers. I continue to believe that Father Reid also has a different purpose in cultivating Mr McConnell, and will return to it. Wednesday December 1989Committee: British Government
[signed] R O MILES Ext 507 (SH) Wednesday December 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
CONFIDENTIAL FROM: I M BURNS, DUS (L) 1 May 1990 cc: Mr Daniell - B Mr Marsh - B Mr ALSTON - B THE REID/MURRAY LETTER Monday April 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
When I [Editors' Note: Ian Burns] saw John Hume on Monday 30 April, Monday April 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
SIGNED: I M BURNS 1 May 1990 OAB 6447 DUSL/KR/16116 Monday April 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting started.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Father Reid contacted me on Sunday 19 November and, at his request, arranged to meet in my office on Wednesday 22. Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Reid working on a proposal for a ceasefire Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
At this point I said to him that it seemed highly unlikely that Unionists would attend such a convention and if that was the case what could possibly be achieved by such moves. Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[...] and he said that although they have not reached a final set plan other discussions have gone on already based on an assessment of John Hume's discussions with Gerry Adams and drew my attention to Mr Haughey's speech to his Ardfheis earlier this... Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I asked him what role he saw HMG playing Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I will keep copy recipients informed as and when there are further developments. [signed] J E McCONNELL EXT 238 (SH) Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
SECRET AND PERSONAL FROM: J McCONNELL US(PAB) 13 February 1990 CC PS/PUS (L&B) [3&4] Mr Burns [5] Mr Ledlie [6] Mr Deverell [7] Mr Daniell [8] PS/SofS (L&B) [1&2] DISCUSSION WITH FATHER REID Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
The main players in this scenario will be the Irish Government, the SDLP and Sinn Fein and he hopes that the Church's role will be to encourage them to move in a certain direction which will replace PIRA as the only pressure group available to... Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
He responded saying that he did not care whether such a convention reached the conclusion or not the main purpose was to take away the raison d'etre for the continuation of violence as far as his people are concerned the convention could go on forever... Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[...] and he responded by saying that the Cardinal had specifically requested him to talk to me and give me whatever details were available on the basis that nothing can work in Ireland unless HMG is at least aware of what is going on. At this stage he... Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Conclusion 9. I am now reasonably sure that Father Reid's current initiative (possibly even his previous activities) are part of a larger scheme in which he is playing a catalytic role. He has not pursued an earlier approach to me which was that he... Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I had a two-hour conversation with Father Reid yesterday. Much of the conversation was a repetition of points he has been making to me over the last period of time but there were some pieces of information - they are as follows: Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Difference between Hume and Adams Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Further Meeting Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
At his request I agreed that he could come back and talk to me in ten days or so. Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Comment 4. I think it is worth noting that, if Father Reid's contention at (i) is correct, then Gerry Adams could have a strong card to play if he is minded to stop political progress. This may be a gloomy forecast of how strong a base future... Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Father Alec Reid contacted me [Editors' Note: John McConnell] on Sunday 19 November Sunday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Reid and McConnell to meet on the 22 November Sunday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting was arranged.] Sunday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The telephone call ended.] Sunday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
SECRET AND PERSONAL FROM: J McCONNELL US(PAB) 27 February 1990 CC PS/PUS (L&B) [3&4] Mr Burns [5] Mr Ledlie [6] Mr Deverell [7] Mr Daniell [8] PS/SofS (L&B) [1&2] Thursday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Reid Update Hume and Adams Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
DISCUSSION WITH FATHER REID Thursday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Hold a meeting between McConnell and Reid Thursday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
SECRET AND PERSONAL FROM: J McCONNELL US(PAB) 27 February 1990 CC PS/PUS (L&B) [3&4] Mr Burns [5] Mr Ledlie [6] Mr Deverell [7] Mr Daniell [8] PS/SofS (L&B) [1&2] Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I [Editors' Note: John McConnell] arranged to meet him [Editors' Note: Alec Reid] in my office on Monday 26 February. 2. The meeting lasted about an hour and a half a good proportion of which was taken up by a rerun of points which he has previously... Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Fr Reid rang me [Editors' Note: John McConnell] last night and immediately opened with a question on a prisoner in whom he is interested. Thursday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
(i) Father Reid, without giving me any detail, confirmed he knew discussions were continuing between John Hume and Gerry Adams. From our conversation I gathered that part of their dialogue may be centred on some of the things which had been points of... Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
An Implied Encouragement that John McConnell Speak More Regularly With Alec Reid Thursday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I did not encourage him to talk about any other matters but he did say that "there had been some interesting things which had happened over the last couple of weeks and he might want my help in relation to a matter between ten and fourteen days from now". Thursday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
(ii) One of the main talking points in the earlier discussions [Editors' Note: between Hume and Adams] had been Sinn Fein's insistence that there be a British withdrawal or a declaration of intent to withdraw - Hume argued that such a proposition would... Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I [Editors' Note: John McConnell] ignored these references and told him that I would try to get some background information on the prisoner but that it might take a little time. Thursday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
(iii) During our conversation Father Reid attributed various remarks to Mr Adams saying there were now things he regularly in private as well as public such as - "Sinn Fein is prepared to consider alternatives to the armed struggle", "a political... Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
A Future Meeting Between Father Reid And John McConnell Thursday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Declaration of British Neutrality in Return for a Ceasefire Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: John McConnell brought the telephone conversation to a close.] Thursday November 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
McConnell to Meet Cardinal Ó Fiaich and Gerry Adams Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Conclusion 4. The last item came as a bolt out of the blue and I am reasonably sure, while Father Reid may have been thinking about it, that he was not the bearer of "a message", he is, in all probability, trying to press forward with his own ideas on... Monday February 1990Committee: British Government
DISCUSSION WITH FATHER REID On the evening of 20 November the Secretary of State discussed with officials (PUS, Mr Burns, Mr Deverell, Mr Daniell and Mr McConnell) Mr McConnell's minute of 16 November recording a fresh approach to him by Father Reid. Monday November 1989Committee: British Government
John McConnell's Search for Advice About Strategy in Future Meetings With Father Reid Monday November 1989Committee: British Government
3. In a general discussion the following points were made: (i) Following the factitious controversy over the Secretary of State's "100 days" interviews, there would be a special sensitivity in any suggestion of talks with Sinn Fein. (ii) At the same... Monday November 1989Committee: British Government
The Labour Party's Stance on Northern Ireland Tuesday August 1989Committee: British Government
British De-colonisation and Reactions to Violent Liberation Groups Tuesday August 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Peter Brooke attended this meeting.] Tuesday September 1989Committee: British Government
Father Reid's Credentials Tuesday August 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: John Hume was a permanent member of this committee.] Tuesday September 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Peter Brooke, in an internal government meeting of 20 November 1989, referred to an earlier discussion with John Hume on 19 September.] Tuesday September 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
No Strategic Interest Speech Tuesday September 1989Committee: British Government
SECRET AND PERSONAL ROM/843/89/SH COPY NO6 OF 8 FROM R O MILES US (POL) 22 AUGUST 1989 CC: PS/PUS (L&) [2&3] Mr Stephens - [4] Mr Deverell [5] Mr McConnell [6] MR DANIELL [No 1] Tuesday August 1989Committee: British Government
[signed] R O Miles Ex 807 Tuesday August 1989Committee: British Government
[PUS] Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
[The Secretary of State] Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
[the addressee, Mr Daniell] Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
[Mr Miles] Wednesday August 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This proposal was discussed and initially rejected at a later meeting between British Government figures.] Tuesday September 1989Committee: British Government
No Strategic Interest Speech Monday November 1989Committee: British Government
It was agreed in discussion that, although some reference on these lines might find a home in the "nudge" speech as one part of the political mosaic, a major speech on this theme at the moment, in the wake of the "100 days" interviews, would be unwise.... Monday November 1989Committee: British Government
S J LEACH PRIVATE SECRETARY 23 NOVEMBER 1989 Monday November 1989Committee: British Government
SECRET AND PERSONAL FROM: PS/SECRETARY OF STATE 23 NOVEMBER 1989 Copy -5- of [8] cc PS/Secretary of State (L&B) [1&2] PS/PUS (L&B) [3&4] Mr Burns [5] Mr Deverell [6] Mr Daniell [7] Mr J McConnell [8] NOTE FOR THE RECORD Monday November 1989Committee: British Government
Agreed Protocol for Mr McConnell's Meetings with Father Reid Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
Consideration of a Ceasefire Package Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
Approving Brief for John McConnell's Meeting with Alec Reid Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
SECRET AND PERSONAL FROM: PS/SECRETARY OF STATE 18 AUGUST 1989 Copy no 3 of 9 2 pages in total PS/Secretary of State (L&B) [2&3] PS/PUS (L&B) [4&5] Mr Stephens - B [6] Mr Miles - [7] Mr Deverell - B [8] Mr J McConnell - B [9] Mr Daniell - B... Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
(signed:) G J LEACH PRIVATE SECRETARY 18 AUGUST 1989 Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
On the evening of 16 August the Secretary of State discussed with officials (PUS, Mr Stephens, Mr Miles, Mr Deverell, Mr McConnell and you) Mr McConnell's minute of 14 August on this subject. Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
SECRET AND PERSONAL FROM: PUS 25 August 1989 Friday August 1989Committee: British Government
cc PS/SofS (L&B) [2&3] Mr A W Stephens [4] Mr A Wilson [5] Mr Miles [6] Mr Deverell [7] Mr J McConnell [8] PUS (L&B) [9-12] Friday August 1989Committee: British Government
Approval of Steering Brief for Mr McConnell Friday August 1989Committee: British Government
JOHN BLELLOCH 25 August 1989 Friday August 1989Committee: British Government
FROM: A W Stephens 1 September 1989 Friday September 1989Committee: British Government
cc PUS (L) - w/o enc. [2 of 8] with enc: PUS (b) [3 of 8] Mr Burns (B) [4 of 8] Mr Deverell [5 of 8] Mr A P Wilson [6 of 8] File & FLot [7&8] MR BURNS[L]-BY BLIS [1 of 8] Friday September 1989Committee: British Government
SIGNED A W STEPHENS SH 511 SC 244 Friday September 1989Committee: British Government
SECRET & PERSONAL DUSB/7648 (MR/13290) Friday September 1989Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
1. I spoke to Mr Molyneaux on Sunday morning 21 November. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
I [Editors' Note: The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Patrick Mayhew] spoke to Mr Molyneaux on Sunday morning 21 November. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
1. I spoke to Mr Molyneaux on Sunday morning 21 November. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister and your Secretary of State saw Mr. Molyneaux (who was alone) for nearly an hour. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister and your Secretary of State saw Mr. Molyneaux (who was alone) for nearly an hour. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Response to Sunday Times report that a video was circulating to refute rumours of doubts about the continuation of the armed struggle by the Provisionals Friday September 1989Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister and your Secretary of State saw Mr. Molyneaux (who was alone) for nearly an hour. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA From the Private Secretary 10 November 1993 Dear Jonathan, PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING WITH JAMES MOLYNEAUX MP TUESDAY 9 NOVEMBER 1993 Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
29 October 1993 Brussels Joint Statement Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Press Line Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
I am sending copies of this letter to John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). Yours ever, Roderic Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Secretary of State rang Mr Molyneaux this morning to discuss recent developments, in particular the line Dr Paisley had been taking following his meeting with Michael Ancram last week. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Jim Molyneaux is the only permanent member of this committee.] Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
FROM: PS/Secretary of State 4 October 1993 cc PS/Secretary of State (B&L) – B PS/MIchael Ancram (B&L) – B PS/PUS (B&L) – B PS/Mr Fell – B Mr Legge – B Mr Bell – B Mr Watkins – B Mr Williams – B Mr Brooker – B Mrs Collins – B Mr Cooke – B Mr Maccabe... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Secretary of State rang Mr Molyneaux this morning to discuss recent developments, in particular the line Dr Paisley had been taking following his meeting with Michael Ancram last week. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Willingness to Consider a Dublin Proposal Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister spoke to Mr. Molyneaux to follow up your Secretary of State's conversation with him on the previous day. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Northern Ireland as the Unit of Self-Determination Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Further Call between Molyneaux and Mayhew Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Lack of Support for John Hume within the SDLP Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Signed JONATHAN STEPHENS Private Secretary Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Major to Re-assure Molyneaux Concerning Mail on Sunday Story Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Jim Molyneaux to Clarify UUP Statement Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Comment on Irish Press Leak Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Future Meeting Between Molyneaux and John Major Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister, accompanied by Mr Michael Ancram, M.P. met Mr James Molyneaux for nearly an hour from 1020 p.m. on 29 November at the House of Commons. Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
I am sending copies of this letter to John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). Yours, Roderic RODERIC LYNE Jonathan Stephens, Esq., Northern Ireland Office. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister, accompanied by Mr Michael Ancram, M.P. met Mr James Molyneaux for nearly an hour from 1020 p.m. on 29 November at the House of Commons. Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Possible Options for Summit Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendments to the Joint Declaration Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Consider Progress in Strand One Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING WITH MR JIM MOLYNEAUX MP, MONDAY 29 NOVEMBER The Prime Minister, accompanied by Mr Michael Ancram, M.P. met Mr James Molyneaux for nearly an hour from 1020 p.m. on 29 November at the House of Commons. This was a private... Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
I am sending copies of this letter to Joan MacNaughton (Home Office), John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office), John Pitt-Brooke (Ministry of Defence), Jeremy Heywood (HM Treasury) and Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). Yours, Roderic RODERIC... Monday November 1993Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
[Editors' note: The following is an extract from 'Letter from Alec Reid and Raymond Murray to John Hume'.] Father Reid is writing as the priest who invited Mr. Gerry Adams and yourself to initiate and conduct the SDLP/Sinn Fein talks last year and... Friday January 1988Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD8 Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Douglas Hurd attended this meeting.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Dick Spring attended this meeting.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
PS/PUS 1. cc PS/SofS Mr Thomas Mr Deverell Mr Cooke Mr Beeton Mr May 2. r. to SofS(L) SECRET FM UKMIS NEW YORK TO IMMEDIATE FCO TELNO 3567 OF 302223Z SEPTEMBER 93 AND TO IMMEDIATE DUBLIN FROM PRIVATE SECRETARY FOR PRIVATE SECRETARY, PS/PUS, SIR T... Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
DETAIL 2. THE IRISH FOREIGN MINISTER PAID A 15 MINUTE CALL ON THE FOREIGN SECRETARY TODAY AT HIS REQUEST. Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
HE SAID THE TAOISEACH'S INITIATIVE WAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR 25 YEARS TO BRING THE VIOLENCE TO AN END. HUME WOULD BE RETURNING TO DUBLIN FROM WASHINGTON NEXT WEEK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Hurd to Give His View on the Joint Declaration Initiative Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The Foreign Secretary went on to give his views.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. THE FOREIGN SECRETARY SAID THE HUME/ADAMS TALKS HAD PUT EVERYONE ON ALERT. HE THOUGHT THAT THE IRISH GOVERNMENT'S PUBLIC REACTIONS WERE WELL-JUDGED TO TAKE ACCOUNT OF THIS. Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
THE IDEA OF A JOINT DECLARATION WAS THE RIGHT ROUTE AND WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BEAR FRUIT. INEVITABLY, THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT WERE MORE CAUTIOUS THAN THE IRISH AS THERE WERE SOME PHRASES AND FORMULATIONS WE COULD NOT ACCEPT. HE KNEW THE PRIME MINISTER AND... Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
ONE DIFFICULTY WAS THAT THE INITIATIVE WAS MORE LIKELY TO SUCCEED THE LESS IT WAS DRIVEN BY HUME AND ADAMS. THAT COMBINATION WOULD NOT ATTRACT THE NECESSARY SUPPORT. 4. SPRING AGREED, BUT DESCRIBED KEN MACGUINNESS' REACTIONS TO HUME/ADAMS AS... Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Timing Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting adjourned.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from Roderic Lyne to Robin Butler Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from Tony Beeton to Quentin Thomas Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Tony Beeton was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Michael Ancram was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: David Cooke was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: John Deverell was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Stephen Rickard was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Christopher Glyn-Jones was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Mr May was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for Patrick Mayhew for a Meeting with John Major on 30 September 1993 Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
NOTE FOR THE RECORD __________________________ NORTHERN IRELAND: BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR NORTHERN IRELAND: THURSDAY 30 SEPTEMBER 1993 After NI Committee on Thursday 30 September, the Prime Minister... Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration 8: Comments on the Text Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from Quentin Thomas to Robin Butler Enclosing Briefing Wednesday September 1993Committee: British Government
4. In my judgement the new paragraph 4 is not acceptable. Tuesday September 1993Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
[Editors' Note: The letter was written by Alec Reid.] Sunday September 1987Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
Letter from Father Alec Reid to Tom King Sunday September 1987Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
[Editor's Note: The letter was received by the Secretary of State.] Sunday September 1987Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Letter from Father Alec Reid to Tom King Sunday September 1987Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I arranged to meet him in my office on Monday 26 February. Thursday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Comment 7. An interesting insight into Father Reid's contacts emerged when, during our conversation, I told him that one of the saddest things I had heard in recent days had been the remarks of Danny Morrison who had spoken of young Irish people being... Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: J.E.McConnell's note on the meeting on 10 March with Father Reid includes a post script detailing a follow-up call.] Sunday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
PS Further to his views on the funerals, set out in para 3 (and bearing in mind my comments in para 7) Father Reid telephoned me late yesterday and said that his recent information was that if the security forces adopted a low profile there was every... Sunday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The memo is marked as 'Received 16 Mar 1988 PUS's office. This was the day of the funerals and of Michael's Stone's attack on the mourners in Milltown Cemetary.] Sunday March 1988Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: An account of the phone call is found in J.E. McConnell's report on the 10 March meeting with Father Alec Reid. The report is dated 14 March 1988.] Sunday March 1988Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Tom King was the recipient of the letter.] Sunday September 1987Committee: British Government
Letter from Father Alec Reid to Tom King Sunday September 1987Committee: British Government
Mr J. McConnell Thursday March 1988Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I [John Chilcot] add for completeness that I have spoken to John Hume, on the telephone, since that meeting as well as to Martin Mansergh at the weekend. Neither is saying the text as it stands (whether JD6 or JD7) is unamendable but both emphasised... Monday September 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
2. The Secretary of State said that he had noted Dr Paisley's criticism. But the reality was that Mr Hume was operating off his own bat; he was not acting or negotiating as any sort of intermediary or surrogate emissary on behalf of the Government. In... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
3. Mr Molyneaux said that he thought the Secretary of State had taken a very strong position last week; it was reassuring that the Government would have no truck with terrorism, until there was convincing evidence that violence had stopped and the... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Discuss Hume/Adams with Party Officers Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Joint Rererenda Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
5. Mr Molyneaux commented that Dr Paisley had contributed to the idea of joint referenda, by insisting that any settlement should be approved by the people of Northern Ireland. The UUP had pointed out that this opened the way to simultaneous referenda... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
6. The Secretary of State noted that it did not matter what was done in the South, what would be decisive would be the wishes of the majority in the North. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Welcome British Government's Comments Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
7. Mr Molyneaux agreed to ring back after he had met his party officers. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The description of this meeting is taken from a postscript added on to a briefing letter from Quentin Thomas to Roderic Lyne, including the record of the handover of JD8 on 24 September 1993.] PS. Over the weekend the Hume/Adams... Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I [Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas] spoke to Mr Hume Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I spoke to Mr Hume Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
He said he would attempt to stand on this; but he would emphasise that this was progress so far. He said that he had deliberately couched the statement in terms of a report to Dublin to give HMG some cover. Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The intervening part of the postscript describes elements of two separate meetings with Seán Ó hUiginn and a meeting between John Hume and the Secretary of State, as described to Quentin Thomas by Jonathan Stephens.] Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Possibility of a Ceasefire Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Hume said that he did not know, though he had asked Adams for some sensitivity in this respect. He believed thought was being given to the matter on the Provisionals' side. Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The minute ends here.] Saturday September 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The evidence for this meeting having taken place can be found in a postscript to a record of a 24 September 1993 meeting with Seán Ó hUiginn, written by Quentin Thomas. We currently have no further record of this meeting.] I... Friday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The description of this meeting is taken from a postscript to a minute written by Quentin Thomas recording his 24 September 1993 discussion of the Joint Declaration with Seán Ó hUiginn.] I subsequently spoke to Mr O hUiginn Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I [Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas] subsequently spoke to Mr O hUiginn Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I subsequently spoke to Mr O hUiginn Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I subsequently spoke to Mr O hUiginn Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I subsequently spoke to Mr O hUiginn (who made clear that he had encouraged Mr Hume to speak to the British side). I told Mr O hUiginn that I thought our response would be to the effect that any report or representation we received from the Irish... Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Not Talking to Terrorists Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
O hUiginn said that the Irish Government would say that they had seen the report and would await an account from Mr Hume. Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
They would also, if necessary, repeat their line about not talking to terrorists. Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn said that he expected the report to be made face-to-face by Mr Hume and not to be made until Mr Hume's return from the USA, to which he departed on 26 September. Sunday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The description of the meeting ends here.] Sunday September 1993Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for John Major's Upcoming Meeting with Jim Molyneaux Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We have John Major's speaking note for this meeting, but no record of the meeting itself.] Friday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
DESK IMMEDIATE From: PS/Secretary of State 5 October 1993 cc PS/SofS (B&L) – B PS/Michael Ancram (B&L) – B PS/PUS (B&L) – B PS/Mr Fell – B Mr Legge – B Mr Bell – B Mr Watkins – B Mr Williams – B Mr Brooker – B Mr Cooke – B Mr Maccabe – B Mr Quinn... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Following their earlier phone conversation, Mr Molyneaux asked to see the Secretary of State yesterday afternoon. I was not present, but the Secretary of State subsequently gave me a brief account of their 45 minute meeting. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Following their earlier phone conversation, Mr Molyneaux asked to see the Secretary of State yesterday afternoon. I was not present, but the Secretary of State subsequently gave me a brief account of their 45 minute meeting. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Over the weekend, unlike himself, they had been out and about and in touch with grass roots opinion. There was a great deal of concern following the Hume/Adams statement: there was a widespread fear of betrayal. In some quarters there was a feeling of... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
British Government to Frame the Consent Principle in a Way Reassuring to Unionists Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] The Secretary of State said that he would bear these suggestions in mind. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Signed JONATHAN STEPHENS Private Secretary Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Patrick Mayhew made no objection to this.] Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
2. Mr Molyneaux said that his meeting with his party officers had left him very shaken. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Talks Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
3. The Secretary of State said that the only people in a position to betray Unionists, were the British Government: but he had spent last week repeating that the Government would not talk or negotiate with terrorists, and would not depart from the... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mention Northern Ireland in the Prime Minister's Speech to the Conservative Party Conference Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
UUP to Continue to Participate in Bilaterals with Michael Ancram Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
4. In response to questions, Mr Molyneaux confirmed that the UUP would continue to participate in the exploratory discussions being undertaken by Michael Ancram. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He also agreed that, in response to the Hume/Adams statement, there was no serious alternative to saying that the Government would look at anything which the Irish Government chose to pass on, Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
British Government to State in Advance the Principles They Would Use to Assess the Hume/Adams Report Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Jim Molyneaux to Meet with Dick Spring Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Jim Molyneaux to Meet Privately with Dick Spring Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He commented that the problem was that there was everything in it for Mr Spring, and nothing for him. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[...] Mr Molyneaux was sceptical. Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
After NI Committee on Thursday 30 September, the Prime Minister and Sir Patrick Mayhew discussed the Joint Declaration Initative. Sir Robin Butler, Quentin Thomas (NIO) and Sir Timothy Daunt (FCO) were present. Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Timothy Daunt was involved with the Joint Declaration initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that the content of the Hume/Adams report to the Irish Government was not yet known to us, though it would doubtless be similar to the Joint Declaration Initiative. Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Although the latest Joint Declaration text (JD8) had moved in the right direction, it was still well short of what might be acceptable. Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
As explained in the NIO's letter of 27 September, there were serious defects in paragraph 4. Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Consent Principle to Be Protected Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: 'it was agreed'.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Address Issues Relating to the Consequences of a Joint Declaration with the Irish Government Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
These and many other questions arising from the document would need to be discussed with the Irish Government. Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Quentin Thomas to Relay That the British Government Remains Unable to Adopt a Substantive Approach Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: 'It was agreed'.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
RODERIC LYNE 5 October 1993 Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Annex A: Draft Replacement Language for Paragraph 4 Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Amendments to Draft Replacement Language for Paragraph 4 Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting agreed on a number of adjustments to the draft replacement language for paragraph 4 attached at Annex A to the Northern Ireland Office letter. [Editors' Note: We do not have a record of these amendments.] Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
The amended text provided guidelines for the further talks with the Irish Government. We would not be able to offer any commitment to a text until there had been wider consultation with Ministerial colleagues. Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
Jim Molyneaux to Be Consulted on Privy Counsellor Terms Thursday September 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: 'It was also agreed'.] Thursday September 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We can infer from the fact that the Irish delegation shared this version of paragraph 4 with their British counterparts that it became part of their working version of the Joint Declaration. It was also incorporated as further amended in JD9.] Tuesday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
NOTE FOR THE RECORD JOINT DECLARATION INITIATIVE: DISCUSSION BETWEEN THOMAS AND O hUIGINN ON 1 OCTOBER 1993 While I was in Dublin for a meeting of the Liaison Group, I met Mr O hUiginn separately for a resumed discussion of the Joint Declaration Initiative. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
While I was in Dublin for a meeting of the Liaison Group, I met Mr O hUiginn separately for a resumed discussion of the Joint Declaration Initiative. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
While I was in Dublin for a meeting of the Liaison Group, I met Mr O hUiginn separately for a resumed discussion of the Joint Declaration Initiative. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
While I was in Dublin for a meeting of the Liaison Group, I met Mr O hUiginn separately for a resumed discussion of the Joint Declaration Initiative. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[SIGNED] Q J THOMAS 4 October 1993 OAB 6447 Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Reply from John Major to Albert Reynolds (24 September 1993) Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
As agreed with Mr Lyne I pointed out that, as would be seen when the letter was opened, it was dated the 24 September and accordingly pre-dated the Hume/Adams demarche. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Hold a Butler/Nally Meeting Next Week Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. I said it was hoped that the Butler/Nally group could meet in the following week, and I offered some dates which he is seeking to test out with Mr Nally. Mr O hUiginn was clearly pleased at this evidence of British interest. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD9 Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
This incorporates changes to paragraph 4 which he had mentioned on the telephone earlier in the week. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
In that paragraph there have been additions and shifts of language to reflect some of our concerns, and a major re-ordering of the sentences. Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
British Resolution Not to Reply Substantively to JD8 Thursday September 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Quentin Thomas to Relay That the British Government Remains Unable to Adopt a Substantive Approach Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Questions Surrounding the Joint Declaration Initiative as Discussed by Thomas and Ó hUiginn on 1 October 1993 Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
6. I emphasised, and Mr O hUiginn agreed, that all the political and other sensitivities of which we had been aware throughout our exchanged had been greatly exacerbated, and the time shortened, by the Hume/Adams demarche. There was need for enormous... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
How did the Irish side envisage the "briefing" from Mr Hume being handled? 7. Mr O hUiginn said that it was expected that the "briefing" from Mr Hume might take place on Thursday 7 October or Friday 8 October. It might be oral only. Nothing new would... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government to Defer Making Any Report to the British Government Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Unable to Report to the British Government at this Stage Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn said that he could see the merit from our point of view, and perhaps from the point of view of the Initiative as a whole. It would be difficult if the Irish Government seemed to be encouraging Mr Hume to negotiate with the Provisionals on... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government to Persuade Hume That Further Work Was Needed Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn was not sure. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government to Repudiate the Initiative Unless Something Was Clearly Acceptable Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas made no objection to this proposed course of action.] Friday October 1993Committee: SDLP
10. On 8 June Hume told John Chilcot, PUS NIO, that he did not like JD6 and had a new version which he would put to Adams (he did not hand over a draft at this stage). Tuesday June 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Plan to Put the Text to the Provisionals Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Cessation of Violence Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
In response Mr O hUiginn said that the Taoiseach believed that a cessation of violence was what was on offer. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He acknowledged that the text was silent on this point, save for the point that eligibility for participation in the proposed Convention was restricted to those democratically mandated political parties which abide exclusively by the democratic process. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Cessation of Violence Including Decommissioning Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn said that to his knowledge there had been no discussion of such directly military matters. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Watershed Shift in the Political Posture of the PIRA Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This point was implicitly accepted by Thomas.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
12. I explained the difficulty of the British Government perhaps being brought to make a politically risky demarche, deploying language more advanced than it would naturally use, with no evidence that it would produce a secure cessation of violence or... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
It might be too much to expect them to move at once to declare a permanent renunciation of violence, and to hand over their weapons. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
13. Mr O hUiginn noted the difficulty. He said he thought the Provisionals might well start with a ceasefire which would turn into a permanent renunciation of violence. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government to Consider Formally Advising That the Declaration Would Lead to a Cessation of Violence Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn noted this possibility. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Clarity Regarding Resumption of Violence Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn said that he agreed and had been anxious to avoid language which could lead to subsequent misunderstandings. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Amnesty for Prisoners Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said that would be a most difficult issue and there was no suggestion whatsoever that the British Government would be willing to entertain that possibility. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Proposal Might Emerge to Consider Decommissioning and Amnesty in Parallel Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas made no further objection to the possibility of this proposal emerging later, although he did not agree to it.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Compatibility of the Joint Declaration Initiative with the Talks Process Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
18. Mr O hUiginn said that the Irish Government believed the Initiative was indeed compatible with the Talks process. Indeed some of the language of the Joint Declaration implied the need for the Talks process to bring about agreement and overcome differences. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration Initiative as Decontamination Chamber to Bring in the Provisionals Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
19. I asked whether the Irish Government would be arguing that Sinn Fein should be admitted to the Talks process. Mr O hUiginn said that this, and indeed much about the Convention, had frankly not been thought through. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Sinn Féin Would Need to Wait for Admission to Talks Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted by Ó hUiginn.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This point was accepted by Thomas.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Participation in the Convention Would Be Uncertain Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
21. On the Convention Mr O hUiginn noted that participation in it would be uncertain. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
It might be that only the Labour Party, Fianna Fail, the SDLP and Sinn Fein took part at first. Fine Gael would have a dilemma, and he thought the PDs and the Democratic Left would hesitate before taking part in a body which involved Sinn Fein from the outset. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Convention to Be Used to Bring Sinn Féin into Talks Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn noted that these were helpful possibilities. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
23. More generally Mr O hUiginn stressed that the Taoiseach saw the Joint Declaration Initiative as a staging post. The Taoiseach was sceptical whether the Talks process could in itself bring about peace. He saw the Joint Declaration Initiative as an... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
If the Provisionals were in good faith in seeking a historic shift towards peace then the two Governments should go to the outer limits of politically acceptable language to bring this off. If the Provisionals were not in good faith then the Taoiseach... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Acknowledgement of the Taoiseach's View That Articles 2 & 3 Should Be Parked Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas accepted this account of the Taoiseach's views at this point, although the British delegation would eventually go on to press for the inclusion of a statement on Articles 2 and 3 in the Declaration.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
25. I asked about the reference to the Irish Constitution in paragraph 7 of the draft Declaration. What was its significance? Mr O hUiginn explained that it was to make clear that this Convention was governed by the Irish Constitution, and did not... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
26. I repeated that the points I had raised reflected real difficulties and concerns. If the British Government were to participate in the Joint Declaration they would need to see the scheme as a whole. Since the British Government was not in a... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
28. Explaining that I remained unable to engaged [sic] substantively with the text, Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Sticking Points with the Text Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Ó hUiginn made a note of these sticking points.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
On the constitutional guarantee, Mr O hUiginn said that he understood this though it would clearly make the text less saleable. Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Addressed to] Stephen Wall Esq 10 Downing Street 10th January 1992 Dear Stephen Friday January 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Constitutional Guarantee in Terms of Article 1(a) of AIA Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said that might be a possibility, though it was a difficulty that those words had to some extent been compromised. As we both knew those words had been chosen carefully to ensure compatibility with Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution and... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Constitutional Guarantee as Qualifying Statement to No Strategic Interest Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
I am copying this letter to Richard Gozney (FCO) and to Sir Robin Butler. [Signed] A J D Pawson Friday January 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Drop First Self-Determination Sentence Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn said he thought it essential that there was some acknowledgement in the text of the legitimacy of self-determination for Ireland as a whole, though in a formulation which made it clear that its operation required the consent of both parts... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Claims of Rights to Self-Determination Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Concurrent Consent Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Use of 'Self-Determination' Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn sucked his teeth. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
31. I asked about the sentence: "They accept that such agreement may, as a right, [sic] take the form of agreed independent structures for the island as a whole." What were the "agreed independent structures" which were envisaged? Were they North/South... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
32. I noted that our discussions had concentrated on paragraph 4. There might be points on other parts of the text. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Remove European Union References Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn agreed to look into why it was there and consider the possibility of its deletion. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Conclusion 33. In concluding the meeting, Mr O hUiginn asked me to impress the view of the Irish side that if this initiative were to have any chance of prospering we must reach agreement on a text very quickly. If that were done the Taoiseach would... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
34. I agreed that time was limited, particularly once the Irish Government said that it had put any report to the British Government. Accordingly the longer that could be held off the better. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Maintain and Build on the Relationship between the Two Governments Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
This led Mr O hUiginn to acknowledge that he allowed the possibility that the Provisionals were indeed primarily interested in driving wedges between the constitutional politicians. He thought there was a good deal of evidence that they were genuinely... Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Christopher Prentice sent a brief to Stephen Wall to pass on to John Major for his meeting with John Bruton.] Friday January 1992Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Christopher Prentice provided the briefing.] Friday January 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The new Irish draft of the Joint Declaration (JD9) was circulated.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The various proposals made during the meeting were reported back to both delegations for further consideration.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The various proposals made during the meeting were reported back to both delegations for further consideration.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting was conducted on these terms.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The various proposals made during the meeting were reported back to both delegations for further consideration.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The various proposals made during the meeting were reported back to both delegations for further consideration.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The various proposals made during the meeting were reported back to both delegations for further consideration.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The various proposals made during the meeting were reported back to both delegations for further consideration.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The letter was circulated.] Friday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Reply from John Major to Albert Reynolds (24 September 1993) Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
COPY NO 1 of 3 Ref. AO92/280 MR WALL __________ Meeting with Mr Nally Thank you for your minute of 28 January. I have copied a minute of 24 January to the Foreign Secretary. Thursday January 1992Committee: British Government
Request to Restrict the Circulation of JD2 Thursday January 1992Committee: Irish Government
Questions Surrounding the Joint Declaration Initiative as Discussed by Thomas and Ó hUiginn on 1 October 1993 Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Questions Surrounding the Joint Declaration Initiative as Discussed by Thomas and Ó hUiginn on 1 October 1993 Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD9 Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Remove European Union References Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Constitutional Guarantee in Terms of Article 1(a) of AIA Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Constitutional Guarantee as Qualifying Statement to No Strategic Interest Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Drop First Self-Determination Sentence Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Claims of Rights to Self-Determination Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Concurrent Consent Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD9 Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Remove European Union References Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Constitutional Guarantee in Terms of Article 1(a) of AIA Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Constitutional Guarantee as Qualifying Statement to No Strategic Interest Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Drop First Self-Determination Sentence Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Claims of Rights to Self-Determination Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Concurrent Consent Friday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[...] On the assumption that the "constitutional guarantee" is included* [...] *It will not be. O hUiginn phoned to warn that the Taoiseach thinks this will make the text unsaleable. Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Tone This Down to a Reference to Abiding by Principles of 1985 Agreement Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[...] On the assumption that the "constitutional guarantee" is included* [...] *It will not be. O hUiginn phoned to warn that the Taoiseach thinks this will make the text unsaleable. Could we, he asked, live with a reference in paragraph 3 to abiding... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[...] On the assumption that the "constitutional guarantee" is included* [...] *It will not be. O hUiginn phoned to warn that the Taoiseach thinks this will make the text unsaleable. Could we, he asked, live with a reference in paragraph 3 to abiding... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Possible Reference in Paragraph 3 to Abiding by All Principles of the 1985 Agreement Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[...] On the assumption that the "constitutional guarantee" is included* [...] *It will not be. O hUiginn phoned to warn that the Taoiseach thinks this will make the text unsaleable. Could we, he asked, live with a reference in paragraph 3 to abiding... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This was the version of the text (JD10) shared with the British delegation during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government to Delay Reporting to British Government Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal was put to the Irish government during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government to Delay Reporting to British Government Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
7. [...] In the first instance they envisaged that a report of it would need to go to the Irish Cabinet on Tuesday 12 October. Matters could be contained at least until then. The British side canvassed the idea that the Irish Government might seek to... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
7. The Irish Government would try to contain the report from Mr Hume as long as possible. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD9 Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Remove European Union References Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Constitutional Guarantee in Terms of Article 1(a) of AIA Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Constitutional Guarantee as Qualifying Statement to No Strategic Interest Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Drop First Self-Determination Sentence Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Claims of Rights to Self-Determination Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Concurrent Consent Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas was invited to attend this meeting.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Gentler Language Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal, slightly toned down, was put to the Irish again during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Purpose of JDI 8. In a general account of the purpose of the JDI the Irish side explained that the Taoiseach saw it as aimed simply at getting the Provisionals to end the violence and to achieve peace. He was seeking a change in their political... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal, slightly toned down, was put to the Irish again during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal was put to the Irish again during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
Letter from Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray to John Hume Regarding Their Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" on the 23 October 1989 Monday October 1989Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
Letter by Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich for the Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" by Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray Friday November 1989Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[...] The Prime Minister said he was happy to do that. Wednesday December 1991Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
My conversation with Hume was very brief and hurried (we met by chance at the airport, with both of us going for different planes) and there was little time for him to say more than that copies of the correspondence had gone to Gerry Adams and to the... Friday November 1989Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
[Editors' Note: The letters and the proposals were sent to John Hume, Gerry Adams, and the Taoiseach after the Cardinal's letter had been added.] Friday November 1989Committee: Reid-Ó Fiaich-Murray
[Editors' Note: The letters and the proposals were sent to John Hume, Gerry Adams, and the Taoiseach after the Cardinal's letter had been added.] Friday November 1989Committee: SDLP
Letter by Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich for the Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" by Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray Saturday November 1989Committee: SDLP
Letter from Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray to John Hume Regarding Their Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" on the 23 October 1989 Saturday November 1989Committee: SDLP
Proposal for a Democratic Over-all Political and Diplomatic Strategy Saturday November 1989Committee: SDLP
[Editors' Note: John Hume shared all three documents with Ian Burns on 29 November.] Saturday November 1989Committee: SDLP
[Editors' Note: John Hume shared all three documents with Ian Burns on 29 November.] Saturday November 1989Committee: SDLP
[Editors' Note: John Hume shared all three documents with Ian Burns on 29 November.] Saturday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Letter by Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich for the Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" by Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Letter from Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray to John Hume Regarding Their Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" on the 23 October 1989 Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Proposal for a Democratic Over-all Political and Diplomatic Strategy Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Following the meeting, Ian Burns circulated the papers to other members of the Northern Ireland Office. He reported that Hume shared the papers on a confidential basis.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Following the meeting, Ian Burns circulated the papers to other members of the Northern Ireland Office. He reported that Hume shared the papers on a confidential basis.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Following the meeting, Ian Burns circulated the papers to other members of the Northern Ireland Office. He reported that Hume shared the papers on a confidential basis.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
Letter by Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich for the Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" by Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
Letter from Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray to John Hume Regarding Their Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" on the 23 October 1989 Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
Proposal for a Democratic Over-all Political and Diplomatic Strategy Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
Confidentiality of the Documents Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The contacts with Reid were held on a confidential basis and the number of copies of the documents were restricted.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
Consideration of the Documents Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
3. My conversation with Hume was very brief and hurried (we met by chance at the airport, with both of us going for different planes) and there was little time for him to say more than that copies of the correspondence had gone to Gerry Adams and to... Wednesday November 1989Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Further meetings took place.] Wednesday November 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Brackets and square brackets as in text.] 2 . Mr Hume said flatly that he was against "all this". He was cross at the use (and the selective use) being made of the papers he had sent to Sinn Fein; he did not like Fr Murray's... Wednesday December 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
5. I pointed out to Hume that in his covering letter the Cardinal had not actually commended the proposal himself - he had merely said that Frs Reid and Murray were convinced that the proposal would make a notable contribution. Hume said that the... Wednesday December 1989Committee: British Government
Thank you for sending me a copy of your minute on 6 December to PS/Secretary of State. If I may say so, I entirely agree with your comments recorded in paragraph 3 to the effect that this initiative seems to have nothing to offer the unionists, at whom... Wednesday December 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I asked him whether there had been any further developments on the Reid/Murray letter that he had given me before Christmas. He told me that Sinn Fein were not attracted to the proposition in the letter, and that they had replied accordingly to Reid.... Monday April 1990Committee: Sinn Féin
Letter by Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich for the Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" by Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray Saturday November 1989Committee: Sinn Féin
Letter from Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray to John Hume Regarding Their Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" on the 23 October 1989 Saturday November 1989Committee: Sinn Féin
Proposal for a Democratic Over-all Political and Diplomatic Strategy Saturday November 1989Committee: Irish Government
Letter by Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich for the Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" by Father Alec Reid and Father Raymon Murray Saturday November 1989Committee: British Government
5. It is interesting that Mr Hume believes that, insofar as Cardinal O Fiaich is involved, he is acting behind the backs of his hierarchy. Like you, I was struck by the very guarded terms in which the Cardinal has lent this name to this enterprise. I... Wednesday December 1989Committee: Irish Government
Letter from Father Alec Reid and Father Raymond Murray to John Hume Regarding Their Proposal Document "Pastoral Response to the Present Conflict" on the 23 October 1989 Saturday November 1989Committee: Irish Government
Proposal for a Democratic Over-all Political and Diplomatic Strategy Saturday November 1989Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The documents were reported by John Hume to have gone to the Taoiseach. It is probable that they were given to Martin Mansergh who passed them on to the Taoiseach.] Saturday November 1989Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[...] On the assumption that the "constitutional guarantee" is included* [...] *It will not be. O hUiginn phoned to warn that the Taoiseach thinks this will make the text unsaleable. Could we, he asked, live with a reference in paragraph 3 to abiding... Monday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn phoned Quentin Thomas.] Monday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn phoned Quentin Thomas.] Monday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn phoned Quentin Thomas.] Monday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Possible Reference in Paragraph 3 to Abiding by All Principles of the 1985 Agreement Monday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We have no further record of this call. The discussion of this point continued during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993 (s20888).] Monday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: It seems this proposal was tacitly accepted by the Irish side.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Need for Close Consultation in the Event of a Failure to Agree a Text Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This part of the conversation is not recorded by Nally or Ó hUiginn in their minutes of the meeting. They do record that Nally made this point this earlier in the meeting, but not any of the British Government commentary on it.] 18. It... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This part of the conversation is not recorded by Nally or Ó hUiginn in their minutes of the meeting. They do record that Nally made this point this earlier in the meeting, but not any of the British Government commentary on it.] 18.... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I repeated that I was sure that such conversations could only take place if and when there was an end to the killing. Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Alec Reid to Prepare Ground for Talks with Gerry Adams Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I told him I did not know and would have to think about it Friday August 1989Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Loyalist Violence Wednesday October 1993Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
2. We spent a few minutes discussing the prisoners in which he has an interest and then moved on to the main reason for his call. Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
SECRET AND PERSONAL Copy no ... of 7 (3 pages in total) FROM: J E MCCONNELL DATE: 14 AUGUST 1989 Mr Stephen Leach - B (1) cc PUS (L&B) - B (2) Mr Miles - B (3) Mr Thomas - B (4) Mr Deverell - B (5) Mr Daniell - B (6) File - (7) FURTHER DISCUSSION... Friday August 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[...] they have two aims - the first and major one being self determination and the second the aspiration to a 32 county socialist republic. He said that it is his understanding that if they can achieve the first they are quite prepared to abide by... Friday August 1989Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Put an Agreed Text to HMG Only If a Temporary Ceasefire Had Been Established with PIRA Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Neither Nally nor Ó hUiginn record this proposal in their respective minutes of the meeting, so we have marked it as being rejected.] 23. [...] The Irish side saw the merit of the suggestion and agreed to consider it further. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
25. In drawing the meeting to a close Sir Robin Butler repeated the hope that at some point the Taoiseach would write confirming the various undertakings and understandings, and convey his approved text. The Irish side indicated that because the... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The actions discussed were agreed.] Wednesday August 1989Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for a Meeting between John Major and Jim Molyneaux Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
2. You also mentioned two other pieces of business arising from the meeting that SofS held on 16 August. I agree with you entirely that the right way to pick up the action called for in paragraph 2(vi) of PS/SofS's minute of 18 August regarding the... Friday August 1989Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
16 December 1991 Dear John, Meeting with Dermot Nally Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
I was grateful for Quentin Thomas’s brief for my meeting with Dermot Nally, which took place over lunch in my office today. No-one else was present. Monday December 1991Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
SECRET AND PERSONAL PAB/5464/AG FROM: J E MCCONNELL DATE: 8 SEPTEMBER 1989 NOTE FOR THE RECORD cc PS/Secretary of State (L&B) - 1 of 2 PS/PUS (L&B) - 3 of 4 Mr Burns - 5 Mr Deverell - 6 Mr Miles - 7 Mr Daniell - 8 File - 9 DISCUSSION WITH FR REID Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Father Reid's Credentials and Status Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
2. We had a very brief conversation about prison matters during which he praised the efforts of the Prison Authorities particularly in relation to the "Summer Leave Programme". He went on to tell me about 18 months ago he believed that there might be... Thursday September 1989Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD10 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The text of JD10, as it was initially handed over, was reported back to the British Government.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Lines to Take for Patrick Mayhew for an Interview with the Sunday Telegraph Monday October 1993Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
3. Fr Reid gave me a little more background as to his own particular role in things past and present - he told me that he had been involved in acting as a messenger between Bobby Sands, Brendan Hughes and Cardinal O Fiaich and that some of his... Thursday September 1989Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
2. We spent the first ten minutes in, what is now a traditional manner, discussing some prisoners, in which he has an interest, and other matters pertaining to prisons. He then told me he would like to elaborate on some of his own activities in... Wednesday November 1989Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Remove European Union References Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Motion to Restrict Disclosure of Information Regarding the Joint Declaration Initiative Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Heavily Tone Down European Union References Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This exact amendment is not mentioned in any of the three minutes of the meeting. However, it is present in the drafts reported back by Quentin Thomas and by Dermot Nally, which suggests it was made during the meeting.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This exact amendment is not mentioned in any of the three minutes of the meeting. However, it is present in the drafts reported back by Quentin Thomas and by Dermot Nally, which suggests it was made during the meeting.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Assertion that the Irish Government Relied Solely on John Hume for Information about PIRA Monday December 1991Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
4. He then rehearsed the John Hume discussion with Gerry Adams saying that John Hume had told Adams that they were fighting a war that had already been won and, at this point, Fr Reid went back over the neutrality point etc - he did not ask me to... Thursday September 1989Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD10 Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD11 Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
Assumptions Concerning Wording Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas' version of JD11 included two assumptions about what Irish amendments would be where the wording hadn't been fully agreed during the meeting.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Suggestion to Incorporate a Confirmation that a Change in Northern Ireland's Status Requires the Consent of Its People Monday December 1991Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Record of the Meeting between J McConnell and Fr Reid on 7 September 1989 Thursday September 1989Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Proposal to Establish a New Irish Convention to Encourage Dialogue between Parties from Across Ireland Monday December 1991Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The record of the meeting was sent by J McConnell to the British Government.] Thursday September 1989Committee: British Government
Record of the Meeting between J McConnell and Fr Reid on 7 September 1989 Monday September 1989Committee: British Government
Discussion with Fr Reid 2. Perhaps I am wrong, but this seems to me to have been something of a let down following your previous meeting: what, for example, has happened to the six questions? But of course, you must keep in touch and I take it that... Monday September 1989Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
(In response to my question, Mr Nally said that he had explicitly confirmed this point with the Taoiseach; and Mr Nally added that the Taoiseach’s assurance that, whatever came of the initiative, continued security cooperation at political level and on... Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
We would also need to be very careful how we pursued our discussions with the Irish Government, lest we were drawn into the sort of premature East/West links which we had previously feared would undermine Mr Brooke’s political initiative. Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
I emphasised to Mr Nally that, while we were interested in exploring everything within our principles which could bring an end to the violence, we were sceptical about PIRA’s need or inclination for a cease fire and were therefore disinclined to take... Monday December 1991Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This version of the Joint Declaration was confirmed over a phone call between Quentin Thomas and Seán Ó hUiginn on 8 October 1993.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
FROM: Q J THOMAS, DUS(L) 8 October 1993 DUSL/MR/42321 PS/SECRETARY OF STATE(L)–[1] (MR STEPHENS) cc Michael Ancram(L)–[2] PS/PUS(L)–[3] Mr Deverell–[4]* Mr Cooke–[5] Mr Rickard–[6]* Mr C Glyn-Jones–[7]+ Mr Beeton–[8] Mr May–[9]* PS/Sir R... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn phoned me today following up Sir Robin Butler's meeting on the Joint Declaration Initiative. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn phoned me today following up Sir Robin Butler's meeting on the Joint Declaration Initiative. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn phoned me today following up Sir Robin Butler's meeting on the Joint Declaration Initiative. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD12 Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
(ii) It was as important that any statement was well received by the unionists as by the nationalists. There was a risk that any joint statement worked up between the two governments would be rejected by the unionists and we would be no further... Monday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. [...] The only point of significance, and I registered with Mr O hUiginn that this might be a difficulty, is that the words "freely and collectively" which had been provisionally removed from the penultimate sentence of paragraph 4 have been re-introduced. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. Mr O hUiginn explained that if and when we conveyed that this text, and the scheme as a whole, was acceptable in principle the Taoiseach would proceed to the next step. I explained that I did not expect us to signal a response until next week. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. [...] In the meantime I alluded to our difficulty about a reference to "the constitutional guarantee". I recalled that we had registered this at the meeting, though we had gone on to devise a form of words in paragraph 3 which might get round it. I... Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
(vi) Mr Nally volunteered that any reference to a change in the status of Northern Ireland depending on the consent of the people of Northern Ireland would raise the question of Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution, to which the present draft... Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' note: The bracketed ellipses indicate the location where a line of text has been redacted in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000.] In discussion, the following points were added :- (i) There was clearly a problem about any... Monday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
4. I then asked Mr O hUiginn about the four understandings which had been sought at the Butler/Nally meeting, namely: (i) That there were no side deals or private understandings; (ii) that the Irish Government saw this Initiative as compatible with... Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
6. I should also record that when I mentioned to Mr O hUiginn that our response might not be signalled until later in the week beginning 1 October he again emphasised that, because of the Hume/Adams demarche, time was of the essence. Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[SIGNED] Q J THOMAS 8 October 1993 OAB 6447 Friday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Proposal Regarding the Size of the British and Irish Delegations for the Joint Declaration Initiative Monday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn was not privy to the change that was made to the document during its transcription by Quentin Thomas.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Accidental Re-ordering of Self-Determination Sentence Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: JD12 was reported back to the British government delegation with the self-determination sentence re-ordered in this way.] Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: JD12 was reported back to the British government delegation with the self-determination sentence re-ordered in this way.] Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD12 Friday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
No Strategic Interest Speech Tuesday September 1989Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
In conclusion, Mr Nally and I agreed that I would discuss with you the point we had reached and pass any immediate comments to him before Christmas. Subject to that, and subject to the Taoiseach’s and the Prime Minister’s agreement, we should meet... Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
I hope that all this is clear. When you have had a chance to digest it, perhaps we could have a further word before the end of this week so that I could telephone Mr Nally before Christmas. In the meantime, Mr Nally will let me know, and I will pass on... Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Mr Deverell] Tuesday August 1989Committee: British Government
PRIME MINISTER YOUR TALK WITH MR HAUGHEY You are due to talk to Mr Haughey at 10 o'clock this morning. I attach a brief from the Northern Ireland office. Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
PIRA Ceasefire Announcement Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
MR WALL ___________ The Taoiseach’s Northern Ireland Initiative The Prime Minister may like a report on my discussion with Mr Nally and on how, after consultation with NIO, I propose to proceed. 2. Mr Nally came over on Monday. I attach a copy of... Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
British Amendments to Paragraph 4 Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Robin Butler met Dermot Nally on 16 December 1991 and wrote a report on the meeting for John Major.] Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
Proposal Regarding the Size of the Delegation for the Joint Declaration Initiative - Three Delegates per Group Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
Refinement of British Amendments to Paragraph 4 Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This was the updated version of the proposed amendments to paragraph 4.] Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
I am copying this minute to the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Robin Butler 23 December 1991 Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
We have no direct evidence to suggest that Mr Haughey will ask you to build on the PIRA Christmas ceasefire but, if he does, I think you should be pretty negative. Last year Peter Brooke took the ceasefire more seriously than did Northern Ireland... Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Further Refinement of British Amendments to Paragraph 4 Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This was the updated version of the proposed amendments to paragraph 4.] Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
Final Confirmation of British Amendments to Paragraph 4 Tuesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This was the updated version of the proposed amendments to paragraph 4.] Tuesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Motion to Release a Joint Statement Following the Next Anglo-Irish Bilateral Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
Reference to the Opportunity for Closer Cooperation in JD2 Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
Motion to Include a Statement on Britain's Lack of Political or Economic Self-Interest in Northern Ireland Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD12A Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Motion to Include a Statement Acknowledging the Right of Self-Determination for the People of Northern Ireland Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
Motion to Establish a new Irish Convention Involving all parties in North and South Ireland Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
Declaration of Refusal to Engage in Direct Talks with PIRA Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
6. In the light of this, we envisaged proceeding as follows:- i. Subject to reporting back, we should meet again after Christmas to look in detail at Mr Hume’s draft. Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
ii. We should not seek to establish any channel back to the provisionals. When we could see whether anything acceptable could be made of Mr Hume’s joint statement, the Taoiseach might give it back to him, in the knowledge that he would presumably show... Monday December 1991Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Irish Peace Conference Proposal Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Earlier Reid Ceasefire Proposal Monday February 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I did not comment and Father Reid said he would ring me again on Sunday with a view to having further discussions next week when "he might be more up-to-date with what's going on". Monday February 1990Committee: British Government
Draft Paper Giving an Overall Assessment of the Joint Declaration Initiative Sunday October 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from Quentin Thomas to Jonathan Stephens Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
SECRET AND PERSONAL FROM: I M BURNS (DUS, L) Copy - - of 10 1 March 1990 CC PS/PUS (L&B) [3&4] - B Mr Ledlie [5] -B Mr Deverell [6] - B Mr Daniell [7] - B Mr J E McConnell [8] - B Float [9] File [10] PS/SECRETARY OF STATE (L&B) [1&2] -... Thursday March 1990Committee: British Government
Action Required on Missing Paperwork Thursday March 1990Committee: British Government
Response to Father Reid's Suggestion of Meeting with Gerry Adams Thursday March 1990Committee: British Government
3. The meeting is probably Reid's own idea, and is probably based on nothing more than a general belief that making a contact between the Provisionals and the Government would be a good thing in its own right. There is no reason to think that there... Thursday March 1990Committee: British Government
Response to Father Reid's Proposal to Meet Gerry Adams Thursday March 1990Committee: British Government
SIGNED: I M BURNS 1 March 1990 OAB 6447 DUSL/KR/14991 Thursday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
SECRET AND PERSONAL FROM: J McCONNELL copy no of 10 AS(PAB) 8 March 1990 CC PS/PUS (L&B) [3&4] Mr Burns [5] Mr Ledlie [6] Mr Deverell [7] Mr Daniell [8] PS/SofS (L&B) [1&2] Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
DISCUSSION WITH FATHER REID As pre-arranged by telephone on 4 March I [Editors' Note: John McConnell] met Father Reid in my office on Tuesday 6 March - the meeting lasted about an hour, details as follows. Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
2. After a short discussion on prison matters Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[...] Father Reid moved on to what he is most interested in, creating some sort of dialogue which will help to “give the IRA an alternative to their armed struggle”. He then raised the point he had left me with at the last meeting which was how would I... Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
5. Father Reid then said, at present, there was a fairly moderate leadership on the military side which he was afraid might change (I am sure he was not giving me any signals that any change was imminent but he mentioned within passing that ripples... Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Follow Up Call Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
6. Father Reid then got rather agitated whenever he started talking about the position his own Order’s (Redemptorist) initiative had reached saying that when he had been off for a few weeks it had been entrusted to another priest who had failed to make... Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Comment 8. I am still of the opinion that Father Reid is the moving force behind this particular approach but I am also sure that he has a good working knowledge of Gerry Adams and “his associates”. I also believe that the Cardinal must know what... Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
I agreed. Tuesday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Meeting Between Father Reid and John McConnell on 6 March. Sunday March 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting was arranged.] Sunday March 1990Committee: British Government
Mr Haughey may also want to talk about the possible statement which he discussed with you in Dublin. Sir Robin Butler and Mr Nally have had a preliminary meeting at which Mr Nally showed Sir Robin Butler a draft, presumably prepared by John Hume. Sir... Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
It contained our commitment to the principle of self-determination for the people of Northern Ireland. Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
I am sending you separately in the box a minute from Sir Robin Butler on the next steps. All you need say to Mr Haughey is that you have gad a preliminary read-out on his discussion with Mr Nally and that you are prepared to see them pursue the matter... Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
I gather there is to be a further meeting between Fr Reid and Mr McConnell tomorrow. Subject to any comments SofS himself may have, could I make one point on your minute of 1 March. 2. I very much agree with the thrust of your paragraph 3. But I... Monday March 1990Committee: British Government
The Irish want to expand the group slightly to include two more people on their side and two more on ours. Should Mr Haughey mention that, you may want to say that you would like to reflect on it. [Mr Brooke has reservations about expanding the group, as do I]. Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
SECRET AND PERSONAL From: PS/Secretary of State 5 March 1990 copy -- of 9 PS/SofS (B&L) (2&3) - B PS/PUS (B&L) (4&5) - B Mr Ledlie (6) - B Mr Deverell (7) - B Mr Daniell (8) - B Mr J McConnell (9) - B Mr Burns (1) - B DISCUSSION WITH FR REID The... Monday March 1990Committee: British Government
(J. S. WALL) 24 December 1991 Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Prime Minister Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The bracketed ellipses indicate the location where a line of text has been redacted in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000.] My only hesitation is over widening the group. I know Mr O'Huigin (sic) of old (he called... Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Stephen 24/Dec Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
SIR ROBIN BUTLER _____________________ THE TAOISEACH'S NORTHERN IRELAND INITIATIVE Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Thank you for your minute of 23 December about your discussion with Mr Nally. Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
The Prime Minister is content to go ahead on the lines you propose. He has reservations about extending the group beyond Mr Nally and Mr Dorr on the Irish side. If it is absolutely necessary to extend the group to include Mr O'Huigin then the Prime... Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
I am copying this minute to Mr Gozney (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Mr Pawson (Northern Ireland Office). (J. S. WALL) 31 December 1991 Tuesday December 1991Committee: Sinn Féin
CONFIDENTIAL FROM: I M BURNS, DUS (L) 1 May 1990 [...] THE REID/MURRAY LETTER When I saw John Hume on Monday 30 April, I asked him whether there had been any further developments on the Reid/Murray letter that he had given me before Christmas. He... Sunday April 1990Committee: British Government
3 December 1991 Dear Stephen, Prime Minister's visit to Dublin, 4 December Tuesday December 1991Committee: SDLP
FROM: I M BURNS, DUS (L) 1 May 1990 [...] THE REID/MURRAY LETTER When I saw John Hume on Monday 30 April, I asked him whether there had been any further developments on the Reid/Murray letter that he had given me before Christmas. He told me that... Sunday April 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
2. The Redemptorist submissions to the Irish Government, SDLP, and Sinn Fein have not really got anywhere. Father Reid blamed inactivity on the part of a colleague who had been detailed to follow up some of the points arising and had not done so. John... Tuesday May 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
3. As in all his conversations Father Reid tends to go back on matters which he has raised before and in this instance he discussed a possible "declaration of neutrality" by HMG. He said that John Hume had been rather naive in suggesting to Adams that... Tuesday May 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
4. Fr Reid then raised the possibility of a meeting convened by Cardinal O Fiaich in the same terms as he had raised it before. When I gave no response and changed the subject he did not persist in his enquiry. Tuesday May 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
SECRET AND PERSONAL PAB/6186/DP FROM: J E McCONNELL, PAB 8 MAY 1990 NOTE FOR THE RECORD cc PS/Secretary of State (L&B) PS/PUS (L&B) Mr Burns Mr Ledlie Mr Alston Mr Thomas Mr Daniell FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH FATHER REID 1. As instructed I... Tuesday May 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
Father Reid to Ring J E McConnell Tuesday May 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
and I agreed. Tuesday May 1990Committee: British-Reid Bilaterals
[Signed] J E McCONNELL Political Affairs Division SH Ext 2238 DP/6359 Tuesday May 1990Committee: British Government
Revised Intelligence Assessment of PIRA Attitude to the Joint Declaration Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
I enclose a speaking note in bull point form and an annotated version of the Joint Declaration text for the Prime Minister; and copies of a slightly revised intelligence assessment, and a plain version of the current draft of the Joint Declaration... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA From the Principal Private Secretary 18 October 1993 cc PS/SofS(B) PS/PUS(L) Mr Thomas Mr Deverell Mr Cooke Mr Rickard Mr Beeton Mr May Dear Jonathan, JOINT DECLARATION INITIATIVE: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING WITH... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister saw Mr. Molyneaux this afternoon to brief him on the Joint Declaration Initiative. Sir Robin Butler was also present. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister saw Mr. Molyneaux this afternoon to brief him on the Joint Declaration Initiative. Sir Robin Butler was also present. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister saw Mr. Molyneaux this afternoon to brief him on the Joint Declaration Initiative. Sir Robin Butler was also present. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Confidentiality: Privy Council Terms Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The meeting was on Privy Council terms and both the Prime Minister and Mr. Molyneaux agreed that they would not make public the fact that they had met. Please could this letter be shown only to these with a direct need to know. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Cessation of PIRA Violence Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Revised Intelligence Assessment of PIRA Attitude to the Joint Declaration Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mr. Molyneaux did not dissent from the conclusion, though he noted there was a long track record of republican movements splintering at critical moments, which might make the full deliverability of a cessation of violence doubtful. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD12A Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He stressed that it was a document prepared by the Irish Government. It had been modified in the light of points which the British Government had made about principles which they believed were paramount. These included a reiteration of Northern... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mr. Molyneaux read the Declaration. He raised several detailed points on the text, on which the Prime Minister and Sir Robin Butler explained their interpretation, and in particular that there was nothing which committed the British government beyond... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mr. Molyneaux said that, with some personal regret, he had to say that he thought such a Declaration would do more harm than good. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He would be failing in his duty if he was not frank. The language in the Joint Declaration was very much based around nationalist and republican texts. He understood that there were qualifications and safeguards, and that it was possible to interpret... Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Communicate Any Further Thoughts Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Draft Communiqué for Meeting between John Major and Charles Haughey Tuesday December 1991Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mr. Molyneaux said he would have a stab at putting down some thoughts which would be acceptable to the unionist side, but which might also appeal to the Irish government. Monday October 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
I am copying this letter to John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and to Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). Yours, Alex ALEX ALLAN Jonathan Stephens, Esq., Northern Ireland Office. Monday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editor's note: The draft communique was handed by Dermot Nally to the British Ambassador on 3 December 1991.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Draft Communiqué for Meeting between John Major and Charles Haughey Tuesday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Dermot Nally handed the Irish draft communique for the meeting between John Major and Charles Haughey scheduled for 3 December 1991 to David Blatherwick on the afternoon of 3 December 1991.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Dermot Nally handed the Irish draft communique for the meeting between John Major and Charles Haughey scheduled for 3 December 1991 to David Blatherwick on the afternoon of 3 December 1991.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Dermot Nally handed the Irish draft communique for the meeting between John Major and Charles Haughey scheduled for 3 December 1991 to David Blatherwick on the afternoon of 3 December 1991.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Irish Draft Communiqué on the Meeting between John Major and Charles Haughey Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: Richard Gozney wrote to Stephen Wall and enclosed the draft communique handed to David Blatherwick by Dermot Nally on the afternoon of 3 December 1991.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
The Irish text on Northern Ireland is unsatisfactory. It steers close to hinting at an imposed solution; it does not propose any enhancement of security cooperation. It also takes for granted a further bilateral in the first half of next year. Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Enclosure: Working Draft of a Minute to John Major Outlining Draft Key Considerations for the Joint Declaration Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
I am copying this letter to Tony Pawson (NIO) and Sonia Phippard (Cabinet Office). [Signed] (R H T Gozney) Private Secretary [Addressed to] J S Wall Esq 10 Downing Street Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Omission of Paragraph 9 Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This implies that other changes were made to the document beyond the removal of paragraph 9, but we have no evidence of what these were.] (I understand incidentally that what Mr Molyneaux was shown was somewhat briefer than what we... Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Stephen Wall sent John Major a briefing for his meeting with Charles Haughey on 4 December 1991.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Assessment of Unionist Reaction to the Joint Declaration Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
2. I prepared it this morning at PUS's invitation so that Sir Robin Butler could show it to the Taoiseach (though he is not to retain it) to provide supporting evidence for the judgement Ministers have reached. Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Since this is the only evidence we have of amendments to the assessment of PIRA reactions, the text here is the 18 October version with paragraph 9 omitted, and will therefore be slightly different from the version actually under... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from John Major to Albert Reynolds Outlining His Decision Not to Proceed with JD12 Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: At their meeting on 20 October 1993, Robin Butler delivered a manuscript letter from John Major to Albert Reynolds. We have not found a copy of this letter, but it must have outlined the Prime Minister's decision not to proceed with JD12.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Enclosure: Working Draft of a Minute to John Major Outlining Draft Key Considerations for the Joint Declaration Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The handwritten amendments were adopted.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
BUTLER 20.10.93 1. cc Michael Ancram Mr Thomas Mr Deverell Mr Cooke Mr Rickard Mr May Mr Glyn-Jones 2. PUS to see MR. ALLAN ___________ JOINT DECLARATION I went to Dublin today to deliver the Prime Minister's message to the Taoiseach about the... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I went to Dublin today to deliver the Prime Minister's message to the Taoiseach about the Joint Declaration. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I went to Dublin today to deliver the Prime Minister's message to the Taoiseach about the Joint Declaration. Only the Taoiseach and the Tanaiste were present: there was no notetaker, although the Tanaiste made a series of notes until towards the end of... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I went to Dublin today to deliver the Prime Minister's message to the Taoiseach about the Joint Declaration. Only the Taoiseach and the Tanaiste were present: there was no notetaker, although the Tanaiste made a series of notes until towards the end of... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Letter from John Major to Albert Reynolds Outlining His Decision Not to Proceed with JD12 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach read it and declared his disappointment at its contents. He said that he had had a number of indications, including from Unionists (he mentioned particularly Archbishop Eames) that they were ready for an initiative to be taken for peace.... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Accidental Re-ordering of Self-Determination Sentence Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The version of JD12 that Quentin Thomas is reporting back here differs slightly from the Irish government version in the order of the self-determination sentence. This is probably an error that crept in as he was hearing about the... Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Enclosure: Annex A – Annotated Draft Minute to John Major Outlining Key Considerations for the Joint Declaration Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The annotations form the updated version of Annex A which had been enclosed by a 13th October 1993 fax from Tony Beeton to Jonathan Stephens.] Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Briefing Letter from Quentin Thomas to Robin Butler Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
Briefing for John Major's Meeting with Charles Haughey Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Letter from Quentin Thomas to Robin Butler Monday October 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Meeting begins.] Monday October 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Mr. Hume confirmed that what he had said to the Taoiseach yesterday... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Hume met Albert Reynolds briefly prior to the Irish cabinet meeting. Monday October 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
3. No significant new information emerged. Mr Hume confirmed that what he he'd said to the Taoiseach yesterday in preparation for the meeting of the Irish Cabinet today was no more than a repetition and continuation of his Joint Declaration initiative.... Monday October 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This is all we know about the contents of this meeting. Meeting ended.] Monday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
FROM: PUS 12 OCTOBER 1993 Copy no ..... of [ ] cc. PS/Secretary of State (L) [1] Mr Thomas [2] Mr Deverell [3] Mr Cooke [4] Mr Rickard [5] Mr C Glyn-Jones [6] Mr Beeton [7] Mr May [8] File [9] NOTE FOR THE RECORD MR JOHN HUME Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I saw John Hume at his request at a colleague's house this afternoon, 12 October. Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I saw John Hume at his request at a colleague's house this afternoon, 12 October. Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
4. Mr Hume went to some lengths to explain why he had found it necessary to make a public statement together with Adams on the eve of his departure for the United States. I said that that had caused more difficulties for the Irish Government than for... Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
JAC J A CHILCOT 12 OCTOBER 1993 Tuesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Enclosure: Annex D – Background on the Joint Declaration Initiative Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
FROM: PUS 15 OCTOBER 1993 Copy no 6 of [9] cc. Mr Thomas [2] Mr Deverell [3] Mr Cooke [4] Mr Rickard [5] Mr Beeton [6] Mr May [7] Mr C Glyn-Jones [8] File [9] PS/SECRETARY OF STATE(L) MR STEPHENS [1] JDI: MINISTERIAL BRIEFING Thursday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD12 Friday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Accidental Re-ordering of Self-Determination Sentence Friday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Ministers had considered the Joint Declaration very carefully. Our intelligence confirmed that the Provisionals were serious about contemplating a cessation of violence. But we also had to consider the effect of the Joint Declaration on the Unionists. Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Jonathan Stephens' amendments were accepted.] Monday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The revelation of the Hume/Adams dialogue, and in particular Hume's demarche of 25 September, had created an intensely suspicious atmosphere among the Unionists. The concept of the "pan-nationalist front" had entered the Unionists' demonology. Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Given this prospect, British Ministers had concluded that a statement on the lines proposed was not a route which they could responsibly adopt. This did not mean, however, that we had lost interest in encouraging the Provisionals to give up violence,... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Revised Intelligence Assessment of PIRA Attitude to the Joint Declaration Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Assessment of Unionist Reaction to the Joint Declaration Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach commented that he thought we were wrong to suppose that the Provisionals were war weary. They could go on for a long time yet. He had heard through Irish Government channels a month ago that the Provisionals' assessment was that the... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Sir Robin Butler and I saw the Secretary of State for Defence, the Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer late yesterday afternoon following the Prime Minister's meeting earlier. Thursday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister had sought to reassure the Unionist by an unequivocal statement of the British Government's position in his Conservative Party Conference speech. But our assessment was a Joint Declaration by the two Governments in the form proposed,... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Sir Robin Butler and I saw the Secretary of State for Defence, the Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer late yesterday afternoon following the Prime Minister's meeting earlier. Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
Sir Robin Butler and I saw the Secretary of State for Defence, the Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer late yesterday afternoon following the Prime Minister's meeting earlier. Thursday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Whatever the perceptions, the Joint Declaration did not come from the Hume/Adams dialogue: he had mentioned to the Prime Minister within a fortnight of taking office his desire to make an effort to secure peace. While the Irish Government had regarded... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Our assessment of Unionist reaction was inconsistent with the impression which he had gained from Archbishop Eames and others. Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
3. The Secretary of State may like to know the initial reaction of his three colleagues: (i) the Defence Secretary (who had not, of course, been briefed earlier on CHIFFON and to whom the subject came completely new) was entirely supportive. He... Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
(ii) the Home Secretary took a much more reserved position. Assuming that there was the explicit reference to the constitutional guarantee and that Jim Molyneaux was not too hostile, he said he could understand the arguments though he would wish to... Thursday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach to Obtain Archbishop Eames' Assessment of JD12 Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Sir Robin Butler and I saw the Secretary of State for Defence, the Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer late yesterday afternoon following the Prime Minister's meeting earlier. I shall be briefing the Attorney-General this evening (15 October). Thursday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[...] I did not discourage his suggestion that he might himself obtain in confidence the reaction of Archbishop Eames to the present text (although I said that I would pass a message through if those in London wanted to give him different advice).... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
JAC J A CHILCOT 15 OCTOBER 1993 Thursday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I said that, whatever the Provisionals might have been expecting about the attitude of the British Government, we had worked on the Declaration in good faith and our conclusion about its likely effect on the Unionists had only been reached on the... Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discuss Next Steps on 27 and 29 October Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Neither Government to Brief Hume Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach assented to this Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach assented to this Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Fax from Tony Beeton to Jonathan Stephens Regarding a Discussion with the Prime Minister Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Brief the PIRA after Meeting in Brussels on 29 October 1993 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Robin Butler did not object to this.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Assessment Although the Taoiseach was clearly disappointed, the conversation was friendly throughout and my references to the difficulties caused by the Hume demarche appeared to strike a chord, particularly with the Tanaiste. The Taoiseach still... Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for Patrick Mayhew for a Meeting with the Prime Minister Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Jonathan Margetts sent a brief on Northern Ireland to Stephen Wall for John Major's meeting with Charles Haughey.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Addressed to] J S Wall Esq 10 Downing Street 3rd December 1991 Dear Stephen, PRIME MINISTER'S TALK WITH MR HAUGHEY Tuesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The letter from Major to Reynolds was reported back to the Irish government delegation.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Letter from John Major to Albert Reynolds Outlining His Decision Not to Proceed with JD12 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD12 Wednesday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The decision Reynolds had reached during the meeting with Butler to show JD12 to Archbishop Eames was confirmed. See also s21726.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Briefing on Northern Ireland Points for John Major's Meeting with Charles Haughey Tuesday December 1991Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD12 Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Archbishop Robin Eames was the only permanent member of this committee.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
Further Irish Government Amendments to Eames' Additions Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This is the version of the Joint Declaration which was sent to Quentin Thomas on 9 November 1993 and was recorded as JD13. This draft incorporates the amendments proposed by either Eames or Mansergh on 2 November 1993, with some further... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Response for Prospective Irish Proposal for Revival of the AIIC Tuesday December 1991Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The Taoiseach resolved to show JD12 to Archbishop Eames during a meeting with Robin Butler on 20 October 1993. On 22 October 1993, Eames reported to John Chilcot that he had been shown JD12 and met the Taoiseach twice. We can therefore... Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The Taoiseach resolved to show JD12 to Archbishop Eames during a meeting with Robin Butler on 20 October 1993. On 22 October 1993, Eames reported to John Chilcot that he had been shown JD12 and met the Taoiseach twice. We can therefore... Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The Taoiseach resolved to show JD12 to Archbishop Eames during a meeting with Robin Butler on 20 October 1993. On 22 October 1993, Eames reported to John Chilcot that he had been shown JD12 and met the Taoiseach twice. We can therefore... Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The Taoiseach resolved to show JD12 to Archbishop Eames during a meeting with Robin Butler on 20 October 1993. On 22 October 1993, Eames reported to John Chilcot that he had been shown JD12 and met the Taoiseach twice. We can therefore... Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Archbishop Robin Eames was the only permanent member of this committee.] Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We have no record of this meeting, but we do have the briefing material for it.] The Prime Minister is to see Mr Hume on Thursday afternoon. Sir Patrick and John Chilcot will also be present. Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Draft Opening Statement for John Major for Dublin Press Conference Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Notes for Supplementaries on Northern Ireland Matters Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
I am copying this letter and enclosures to Richard Gozney (FCO), Simon Webb (MOD), Colin Walters (Home Office), Juliet Wheldon (Law Officers Secretariat) and Sonia Phippard (Cabinet Office). [Signed] Jonathan Margetts Tuesday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD13 Tuesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I attach a new text from the Irish side which was conveyed to me, by special messenger from Mr O hUiginn, yesterday evening. Tuesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I attach a new text from the Irish side which was conveyed to me, by special messenger from Mr O hUiginn, yesterday evening. Tuesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This version of the Joint Declaration, with the additions proposed by Archbishop Eames, was reported back to the British government as JD13. It was also the version under discussion at the Butler/Nally meeting on 10 November 1993.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I attach a new text from the Irish side which was conveyed to me, by special messenger from Mr O hUiginn, yesterday evening. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Announcement Regarding the Belfast-Dublin Railway Link Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: David Blatherwick acted as Britain's Ambassador to Ireland between 1991 and 1995.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
[Editors' Note: John Chilcot attended the meeting.] Wednesday November 1990Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD13 Wednesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for Patrick Mayhew for a Meeting with the Prime Minister Wednesday October 1993Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
SECRET AND PERSONAL PAB/6668/DGMcN/RG FROM: D G MCNEILL, PAB DATE: 22 NOVEMBER 1990 cc PS/Secretary of State (B&L) [1&2] Minister of State (B&L) [3&4] PUS (B&L) [5&6] Pilling [7] Mr Ledlie [ 8] Mr Alston [9] Mr Deverell [10] Mr Thomas [11] Mr Petch [... Wednesday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
BISHOP CAHAL DALY: POLITICAL MOVEMENT AND THE PROVISIONALS 1. PUS and I discussed this subject on 20/11/90 with Bishop Cahal Daly at his home. Wednesday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
2. The Bishop said that he had recently met with the two Maze chaplains to discuss their contacts with PIRA/Sinn Fein. Wednesday November 1990Committee: British Government
Commentary on JD13 Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
The Role of the Chaplains: Not Intermediaries Wednesday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
He said that he was fully satisfied with the integrity and the common sense of both men whom he had known for some time and who had worked hard to become acceptable to people from both sides. He was confident that the two men from PIRA/Sinn Fein to... Wednesday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
4. He said that he knew that PIRA/Sinn Fein was considering a series of questions which had been relayed to them through the chaplains on his behalf and which had been suggested by John Blelloch. These questions were aimed at trying to flesh out what... Wednesday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
5. The Bishop was satisfied that some in the organisation were interested in seriously reviewing their future strategy. He had seen papers which debated the extent to which PIRA/Sinn Fein's concentration on the "armed struggle" and on green nationalism... Wednesday November 1990Committee: British Government
Fax Brief for John Major's Meeting with Charles Haughey on 4 December 1991 Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Background on the Joint Declaration Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Peter Brooke's Whitbread Speech Wednesday November 1990Committee: British Government
History of the Joint Declaration Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Suggested Sequence of Events for the Joint Declaration Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Telegram from David Blatherwick on a Gerry Adams Press Conference Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Handwritten Fragmentary Draft Notes for Patrick Mayhew Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Handwritten Fragmentary Draft Notes for Patrick Mayhew Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
HCS/910/93 FROM: D FELL 13 OCTOBER 1993 cc Mr Thomas – B Mr Deverell - B PUS (L&B) – B MR EAMON MALLIE Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
Revised Draft Joint Communique Wednesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Record of a Meeting between David Fell and Eamonn Mallie Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The updated draft incorporates all the modifications proposed.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Draft Letter to Roderic Lyne Regarding Briefing Jim Molyneaux Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for the Prime Minister's Meeting with Jim Molyneaux Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Draft Joint Communique with Pen Amendments Wednesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Draft Letter from the Prime Minister to the Taoiseach concerning the Joint Declaration Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for Prime Minister for a Meeting Friday October 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Communique on Meeting between John Major and Charles Haughey Wednesday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This version of the draft joint communique was eventually released by both Governments in Dublin on 4 December 1991.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Albert Reynolds' "On the Record" Remarks Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister thought that the Taoiseach was having to guard his back domestically. Molyneaux said that people were asking questions about the Taoiseach's confident predictions that peace could be achieved within a few weeks. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Prime Minister to Confirm No Reward for the IRA Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that the Taoiseach had had a difficult time at his party conference, and had said things that were in conflict with the joint statement. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister said that he did not know about the state of relations between the Taoiseach and the IRA. We had made clear that we would not engage in any secret deals. We stood by the constitutional guarantee. There were indications of war... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly agreed.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Inclusion of Sinn Féin in the Political Process Following an IRA Ceasefire Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux said that he had had a friendly message from the Taoiseach before the party conference, and had replied in a similar spirit. Reynolds had appeared to be moving in the right direction. There had been the possibility of a meeting with Dick... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Intensify Bilateral Talks Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that we were now coming to the end of the exploratory phase. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Do Not Go Public with Strand 1 Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux agreed, but said that we should let the public see that the process was accelerating. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Prime Minister to Confirm No Amnesties for IRA Prisoners Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister replied that no-one had raised the question of an amnesty with us. Amnesties were relevant to political offences, not to murderers. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux said he was glad to hear this. An amnesty could be an incitement to restart violence, in the expectation that imprisonment would only be temporary. He knew that Adams had consulted IRA prisoners as well as the Provisional Army Council. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He wondered what the Taoiseach might intend to offer Adams as an incentive. The Prime Minister said that he did not know what was in the mind of Albert Reynolds. But the important point was that we did not have it in mind to offer concessions. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Stances of Other UK Politicians on Northern Ireland Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Position of Loyalist Paramilitaries Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister asked what would be seen as a reward. Molyneaux defined this as a sort of offer which had been dangled by Southern Irish politicians. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that we were not prepared to offer anything beyond being allowed to join the political human race after a period of decontamination. The Prime Minister said that allowing the IRA into the political process did not mean that they... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux repeated that we should concentrate on making progress in the bilateral talks. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Return to Formal Talks Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
By refusing to talk to Hume, Paisley was giving Hume a veto on progress. Molyneaux agreed. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The updated draft incorporated the pen modifications proposed.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He could see the value in holding formal talks; but it would be risky to do so if we could not get everyone on board. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux said that businessmen and churchmen in Northern Ireland tended to dwell on the phrase that the "political vacuum" should be filled. He personally favoured something on the lines of the 1979 Conservative Manifesto, which had envisaged a... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This version of the draft joint communique was eventually released by both Governments in Dublin on 4 December 1991.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Communiqué on Meeting between John Major and Charles Haughey Wednesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: This version of the draft joint communiqué was eventually released by both Governments in Dublin on 4 December 1991.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: British Government
We discussed yesterday the possibility of constructing a British version of the Joint Declaration. Monday November 1993Committee: British Government
Draft Opening Statement for John Major for Dublin Press Conference - Printed Amendments Wednesday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: The updated draft incorporated all the modifications proposed.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Draft Opening Statement for John Major for Dublin Press Conference - Pen Amendments Wednesday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
13. I spoke on the phone to Mr O hUiginn today in preparation for the phone call Mr Spring wishes to make to the Secretary of State this evening. Mr Spring will, I believe, underline what was said yesterday: a great opportunity which both Governments... Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: Alternative British Draft Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: While there is no subsequent draft confirming the integration of the pen amendments into the main text, the transcript of the press conference on 4 December 1991 reveals that John Major's opening statement closely adhered to the amended draft.] Wednesday December 1991Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
13. I spoke on the phone to Mr O hUiginn today in preparation for the phone call Mr Spring wishes to make to the Secretary of State this evening. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
13. I spoke on the phone to Mr O hUiginn today in preparation for the phone call Mr Spring wishes to make to the Secretary of State this evening. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
13. I spoke on the phone to Mr O hUiginn today in preparation for the phone call Mr Spring wishes to make to the Secretary of State this evening. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Avoidance of Talks Based on Understanding That Molyneaux Has a Veto Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(I made clear that I was not accepting this hypothesis; and Mr O hUiginn made it clear he was not asking me to.) Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The account of the phone call ended at this point.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Notes for Supplementaries on Northern Ireland Matters - Pen Amendments Wednesday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: While there is no subsequent draft confirming the integration of pen amendments into the main text, the transcript of the press conference on 4 December 1991 reveals that some of John Major's responses to questions from reporters... Wednesday December 1991Committee: Irish Government
Letter from Albert Reynolds to John Major (11 November 1993) Thursday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This letter was drafted and sent following the Butler/Nally meeting on 10 November 1993, where the British delegation made it clear that their instructions were still not to engage with JD13.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Lines to Take Regarding Bombing in Belfast Thursday December 1991Committee: British Government
Lines to Take Regarding Bombing in Belfast - Pen Amendments Thursday December 1991Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for Robin Butler's Meeting with Albert Reynolds on 20 October 1993 Tuesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Letter from Albert Reynolds to John Major (11 November 1993) Thursday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: This letter was drafted and sent following the Butler/Nally meeting on 10 November 1993, where the British delegation made it clear that their instructions were still not to engage with JD13.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from Albert Reynolds to John Major (11 November 1993) Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Outline of British Handling Issues at the Inter-Governmental Conference Friday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
FROM: PS/SECRETARY OF STATE 11 NOVEMBER 1993 Copy no 7 of [9] cc. Michael Ancram [2] PS/PUS(L) [3] Mr Thomas [4] Mr Deverell [5] Mr Rickard [6] Mr Beeton [7] Mr May [8] File [9] MR COOKE [1] CONVERSATION WITH MR SPRING The Tanaiste rang the... Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
12 November Draft Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This became the updated version of the alternative British draft.] Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
Letter Proposing Examination of Speciality by Working Group II Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: Kenneth Baker was the Secretary of State for the Home Department at this point.] Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
17 December 1991 Dear Peter, Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Copies of this letter go to the Prime Minister, the Foreign Secretary, the Attorney General and to Sir Robin Butler. [Signed] Kenneth [Addressed to] The Rt Hon Peter Brooke MP Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Northern Ireland Office WHITEHALL, S.W.I. Tuesday December 1991Committee: British Government
Peter Brooke's Whitbread Speech Friday November 1990Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The speech was delivered as agreed.] Friday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
Peter Brooke's Whitbread Speech Friday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
6. The Bishop recognised the significance of the Secretary of State's "British Presence" speech and thought that it would be helpful in promoting change within PIRA/Sinn Fein. However he did say that there was still a long way to go before that... Wednesday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
7. Without commenting on the desirability of this he did pointedly refer to the fact that the contacts with whom the chaplains have been dealing had linked their proposals for movement to contact at any level with Government - including civil servants. Wednesday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
(SIGNED) D G MCNEILL Political Affairs Division SH Ext 2238 Wednesday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
SECRET AND PERSONAL PAB/6683/DGMcN/RG FROM: D G McNEILL, PAB DATE: 23 NOVEMBER 1990 Copy No [ ] of 9 cc Mr Pilling [3] Mr Ledlie [4] Mr Alston [5] Mr Deverell [6] Mr Thomas [7] Mr Marsh [BJ File [9] PS/PUS {B&L) [1&2] POLITICAL MOVEMENT AND THE... Thursday November 1990Committee: British Government
ANGLO-IRISH EXTRADITION: SPECIALITY Thank you for your letter of 16 December, seeking my agreement that officials be tasked with an examination of the technicalities of speciality within the framework of Working Group II. I have to say that the... Tuesday December 1991Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
1. I [Editors' Note: Danny McNeill] met the two chaplains from Maze Prison on 22/11/90 at their request. They were seeking an update following the meeting which PUS and I had with Bishop Cahal Daly. Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
2. There have been no significant developments on their front since John Blelloch and I spoke to them. However, we had quite a long discussion during which I was able to probe them on the nature of their contacts and on their perceptions more fully... Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
4. I started the discussion by telling them about the conversation with Bishop Daly. However when I said that we understood from the Bishop that PIRA was still considering some questions put to them about the meaning of meaningful etc the two chaplains... Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
5. I restated Government's position, confirmed the enormity of the difficulties facing any Government which might contemplate dialogue while violence lasted and pointed to the "British Presence" speech as one of our answers to the sort of questions the... Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
Relationship between PIRA and Sinn Féin Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
The priests thought that PIRA wanted to find a way out of the armed struggle because of the loss of life and other negative aspects of violence - if they gave up violence they may be able politically to win support from SDLP supporters. However they... Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
8. We talked about the proposition which had been put to the priests that violence could cease after the first meeting with Government at any level provided that "meaningful dialogue" would ensue. I explored this further again as someone who was... Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
Meeting Between Civil Servant and PIRA Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
I said absolutely not. Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
10. I have not at this stage copied this note to Ministers. PUS may wish to consider that. However it may be useful to discuss this conversation further. The priests will not go away unless we tell them that they are wasting their time or put a firm... Thursday November 1990Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Patrick Mayhew gave Archbishop Robin Eames a copy of JD13 during a meeting on 13 November 1993.] Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD13 Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Maze Chaplains
I said we were still reflecting on the matter within the NIO and while we were doing so, firstly PIRA should not be allowed to think that we were considering an approach and secondly if there were such an approach it would be better if it were made... Thursday November 1990Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
NORTHERN IRELAND OFFICE WHITEHALL LONDON SW1A 2AZ JEN/B/11/7/41128 15 November 1993 Dear Roderic, JOINT DECLARATION INITIATIVE: MEETING WITH ARCHBISHOP EAMES As foreshadowed in my letter to you of 12 November, the Secretary of State met Archbishop... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
As foreshadowed in my letter to you of 12 November, the Secretary of State met Archbishop Eames at Hillsborough Castle on Saturday 13 November. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I had dinner with Archbishop Eames in London on Friday 22 October. The Archdeacon of London, George Cassidy, was present for much but not all of the time. Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
As foreshadowed in my letter to you of 12 November, the Secretary of State met Archbishop Eames at Hillsborough Castle on Saturday 13 November. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Report on the British Government's Approach to the Joint Declaration Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Report on Archbishop Eames' Meetings with the Taoiseach Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
When shown JD13, the Archbishop confirmed that paragraphs 6, 7 and 8 were as he had drafted. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
A copy goes to John Sawers and Melanie Leech. yours sincerely, Tony Beeton pp. J A STEPHENS Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames' Assessment of Irish Attitudes towards the JDI Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Turning to others involved in Dublin, the Archbishop said that Mr Spring was worried that he was not being told everything. He was a thoughtful, sincere man but quite capable of going along with something and then pulling the plug on it. Martin... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
The Secretary of State said that it was most valuable that the Taoiseach had been able to have the benefit of the Archbishop's advice. As to substance, we were satisfied that, with the addition of an explicit reference to the constitutional guarantee... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Talks Process Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
In putting this language to the Taoiseach, he had emphasised that unless the Irish Government were prepared to say that they would amend Articles 2 and 3, there would be nothing new in the text for unionists. (Indeed, the text he provided had included... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
The Archbishop had asked the Taoiseach what in particular in the latest draft would deliver an end to violence. The Taoiseach had emphasised paragraph 10 and the role of the Irish Convention, which he had explained as a "waiting room", a means by which... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
As to the proposed Irish Convention, the Secretary of State said that our understanding was that it was a talking shop. All parties in the island of Ireland would be invited, but they clearly could not be compelled to go. It had no jurisdiction and no... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
The Archbishop said that he was worried Mr Reynolds was in unpredictable mood: he could quite easily remove the references to the British Government and publish the text as it stood. Mr Reynolds had said to him "what more does Mr Molyneaux want?". Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Loyalist Violence Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
That was why we had concluded an earlier draft could not be proceeded with and, in a meeting between British and Irish officials that week, had pointed to the difficulties which still existed. It was clear that the Irish had misinterpreted this as a... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
The Archbishop said that he was surprised, and worried, by the confidence the Taoiseach had that the Provisional IRA would end violence. Certainly they were the key, because loyalist terrorism would peter out if the Provisional IRA ceased. But... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Points for Archbishop Eames to Relay to the Taoiseach Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
JD13 Not Acceptable Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Inclusion of Constitutional Guarantee Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Commitment to Amend Articles 2 & 3 Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Whether the Irish Government would accept an explicit reference to the constitutional guarantee would be a critical test. We had earlier been told that such a reference was "unsaleable": if so, then it was clear that there was a fudge on the... Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
The Archbishop said that he would nail the notion that he had approved the latest text. The first time he had been shown a draft he had despaired. He hoped the latest text, with his own additions, was nonetheless an improvement. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He had not seen the importance of adding a reference to the constitutional guarantee, but took the point now. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Since this was Eames' own sticking point with the text, and he had previous proposed language on it to the Taoiseach, his agreement to this part of the proposal can be inferred.] Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He undertook to talk to the Taoiseach again and to come back to us. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Discuss the Text with Molyneaux Later Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
The Secretary of State thanked the Archbishop, confirmed that his additions had indeed improved the text and took note of his offer to talk to Mr Molyneaux. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
At his request, the Archbishop took away a copy of JD13 to work on. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Eames also took the conclusions from the meeting away with him.] Saturday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
Joint Declaration: JD13 Saturday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
Points for Archbishop Eames to Relay to the Taoiseach Saturday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
[Editors' Note: We do not have a record of these changes being drafted by the Archbishop. We have a record of them being described to Jonathan Stephens in a report of Eames' meeting with Reynolds. The description text for this session is taken from that note.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
Restatement of Consent Principle Tuesday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
Second Restatement of the Consent Principle Tuesday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
Explicit Reference to Articles 2 and 3 Tuesday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
[Editors' Note: Eames reported JD13 with amendments to the Taoiseach during a bilateral meeting on 16 November 1993.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
[Editors' Note: Eames reported JD13 with amendments to the Taoiseach during a bilateral meeting on 16 November 1993.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
[Editors' Note: Eames reported JD13 with amendments to the Taoiseach during a bilateral meeting on 16 November 1993.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
[Editors' Note: Eames reported JD13 with amendments to the Taoiseach during a bilateral meeting on 16 November 1993.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a first-hand account of the meeting between Robin Eames and Albert Reynolds. We have report of Eames' meeting with Reynolds as made by Eames to Jonathan Stephens over the phone on the following day. The description text... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames rang me at 2.00pm this afternoon. He said that he had had a long session with the Taoiseach last night Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames rang me at 2.00pm this afternoon. He said that he had had a long session with the Taoiseach last night Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD13 Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The first amendment, as written down by Jonathan Stephens, differs slightly from the wording reported by Eames on the following day as JD14. We have therefore made the change which appears in JD14 here instead, and show the inclusion of... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The second amendment, as written down by Jonathan Stephens, differs slightly from the wording reported by Eames on the following day as JD14. We have therefore made the change which appears in JD14 here instead, and show the change from... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Explicit Reference to Articles 2 and 3 Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
3. The Archbishop explained that the Taoiseach had not accepted this last amendment yet, but wanted to wait to see what happened tomorrow to the other two amendments to which he had agreed. Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The record of the meeting ends here.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Restatement of Consent Principle Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Second Restatement of the Consent Principle Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Since the Taoiseach agreed to these amendments, this was reported back to the Irish Government as the latest draft of the Joint Declaration. It was also reported to the British Government by Archbishop Eames as JD14 at a meeting on 18... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Eames reported the amendments as he had made them to Jonathan Stephens over the phone, on 18 November 1993, the day before he officially handed over a copy of JD14.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Eames reported the amendments as he had made them to Jonathan Stephens over the phone, on 18 November 1993, the day before he officially handed over a copy of JD14.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Eames reported the amendments as he had made them to Jonathan Stephens over the phone, on 18 November 1993, the day before he officially handed over a copy of JD14.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD14 Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
FROM: PS/SECRETARY OF STATE 17 NOVEMBER 1993 Copy no 8 of [12] cc. PS/Secretary of State (L) [2] PS/Michael Ancram [3] PS/PUS (L) [4] Mr Deverell [5] Mr Cooke [6] Mr Rickard [7] Mr Beeton [8] Mr May [9] Mr Lyne, No. 10 [10] Mr Sawers, FCO [11] Ms... Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames rang me at 2.00pm this afternoon. Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames rang me at 2.00pm this afternoon. Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Restatement of Consent Principle Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Explicit Reference to Articles 2 and 3 Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Restatement of Consent Principle Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Second Restatement of the Consent Principle Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Wording Change Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
3. The Archbishop explained that the Taoiseach had not accepted this last amendment yet, but wanted to wait to see what happened tomorrow to the other two amendments to which he had agreed. Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames to Bring Revised Text to Bilateral on 18 November 1993 Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
4. [...] I thanked the Archbishop for giving us this information in advance. Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Joanna Nixon pp. J A STEPHENS Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Jonathan Stephens reported these amendments back to the British Government.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Jonathan Stephens reported these amendments back to the British Government.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Jonathan Stephens reported these amendments back to the British Government.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Amendments were reported to JD13. We have added this decision to show the proposal coming back up for consideration.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Restatement of Consent Principle Wednesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Second Restatement of the Consent Principle Wednesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Explicit Reference to Articles 2 and 3 Wednesday November 1993Committee: British Government
18 November Draft Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This became the updated version of the alternative British draft.] Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I attach a new text from the Irish side which was conveyed to me, by special messenger from Mr O hUiginn, yesterday evening. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Addressed to] Stephen Wall Esq 10 Downing Street 23rd December 1991 Dear Stephen, Monday December 1991Committee: Archbishop Eames
Joint Declaration: JD14 Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Anthony Pawson sent the letter along with the attached material to Stephen Well for John Major's reference.] Monday December 1991Committee: Archbishop Eames
[Editors' Note: Archbishop Eames showed a copy of JD14 to Jim Molyneaux on 18 November 1993, before his bilateral meeting with John Major.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
I am copying this letter and enclosure to Richard Gozney (FCO), Simon Webb (MOD) and to Sonia Phippard (Cabinet Office). [Signed] A J D Pawson Monday December 1991Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This updated version was shown to Archbishop Robin Eames during John Major's bilateral meeting with him later in the day.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal was still under consideration in the British government committee. We have added this decision to reflect that.] Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a direct minute of this meeting. The description text comes from Eames' report of the meeting, made to John Major during a bilateral exchange later in the day.] Eames had had a long meeting earlier in the day with James... Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Eames had had a long meeting earlier in the day with James Molyneaux. Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD14 Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Rewording of the Second Restatement of the Constitutional Guarantee in Paragraph 7 Thursday November 1993Committee: Archbishop Eames
[Editors' Note: Archbishop Eames also reported the amendment that the Taoiseach had not agreed to Molyneaux.] Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Explicit Reference to Articles 2 and 3 Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Somewhat surprisingly, Molyneaux had not insisted on specific reference to Articles 2 and 3. He had been content with the general reference in paragraph 7 of "the presence in the Constitution of the Republic of elements which are deeply resented by... Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux's main objection had been to the final three paragraphs (9 to 11). Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
These were not acceptable to him. Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Archbishop Eames reported this amendment to the British government.] Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux's Alternative Draft of Paragraphs 9-11 of JD14 Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He had told Eames that he would, overnight, try his hand at an alternative draft. Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Eames and Molyneaux to Discuss His Alternative Draft and Eames to Convey It to Dublin Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He and Eames would discuss this on 19 November. Eames might then try Molyneaux's version on Dublin. Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Briefing on the Line to Take Regarding the PIRA Christmas Ceasefire Monday December 1991Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The 'previous draft' that Molyneaux had seen was JD12A: see s21717. 'Unbelievable change' originally read 'unplayable change' in the minute, but was corrected by a follow-up note and then by hand in red pen in the original... Thursday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
Letter from Albert Reynolds to Jim Molyneaux Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Robin Eames reported to John Major on 18 November 1993 that Albert Reynolds had given him a letter to hand over to Jim Molyneaux. Since we know that Eames and Reynolds met on 16 November 1993, we have inferred that the letter was... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Letter from Albert Reynolds to Jim Molyneaux Tuesday November 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Robin Eames reported to John Major on 18 November 1993 that Albert Reynolds had given him a letter to hand over to Jim Molyneaux. Since we know that Eames and Reynolds met on 16 November 1993, we have inferred that the letter was... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Letter from Albert Reynolds to Jim Molyneaux Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Eames had [...] advised Molyneaux [that it might be for the best if he did not meeting with Reynolds for the time being]. It was important not to compromise Molyneaux's position at the centre of Unionist opinion. Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Concerns about Reynolds' Approach Thursday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The minute does not contain any further material pertaining to this meeting.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA From the Private Secretary 18 November 1993 Dear Jonathan, CALL ON THE PRIME MINISTER BY ARCHBISHOP EAMES Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames had a 35-minute meeting with the Prime Minister on the evening of 18 November, followed by a further 20 minutes with your Secretary of State and John Chilcot. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames had a 35-minute meeting with the Prime Minister on the evening of 18 November, followed by a further 20 minutes with your Secretary of State and John Chilcot. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames had a 35-minute meeting with the Prime Minister on the evening of 18 November, followed by a further 20 minutes with your Secretary of State and John Chilcot. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames had a 35-minute meeting with the Prime Minister on the evening of 18 November, followed by a further 20 minutes with your Secretary of State and John Chilcot. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames had a 35-minute meeting with the Prime Minister on the evening of 18 November, followed by a further 20 minutes with your Secretary of State and John Chilcot. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Yours sincerely, [Signature] Duty Clerk pp RODERIC LYNE Jonathan Stephens, Esq ., Northern Ireland Office Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Archbishop Robin Eames was the only permanent member of this committee.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Archbishop Robin Eames was the only permanent member of this committee.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Statement in Response to PIRA Ceasefire Announcement Monday December 1991Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames had a 35-minute meeting with the Prime Minister on the evening of 18 November, followed by a further 20 minutes with your Secretary of State and John Chilcot. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames had a 35-minute meeting with the Prime Minister on the evening of 18 November, followed by a further 20 minutes with your Secretary of State and John Chilcot. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Prime Minister's Focus on Northern Ireland Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Report of a Meeting between Archbishop Eames and Jim Molyneaux Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD14 Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Molyneaux had not been happy with the new wording at the beginning of paragraph 7. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Rewording of the Second Restatement of the Constitutional Guarantee in Paragraph 7 Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The amendment was accordingly reported back to the British government delegation, and was later formally proposed to JD14 on 3 December 1993.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Molyneaux's main objection had been to the final three paragraphs (9 to 11). Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
These were not acceptable to him. He had told Eames that he would, overnight, try his hand at an alternative draft. He and Eames would discuss this on 19 November. Eames might then try Molyneaux's version on Dublin. If he could obtain satisfaction on... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Paragraph 10 refers to the Irish Convention. Mansergh had also said that the Taoiseach was no longer treating this as a "final" text, but had reverted to describing it as a draft. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames said, in deep confidence, that Reynolds had given him a letter for Molyneaux. He believed that the letter made three main points. It had emphasised that Reynolds saw Molyneaux's role as crucial. It had acknowledged the need to allay the fears of... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Molyneaux and Reynolds Should Not Meet Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames and the Prime Minister agreed that, for the time being at least, it might be for the best if Molyneaux and Reynolds did not meet. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: It is not clear from the minute whom Mansergh said this to on 18 November 1993. We have a record of a phone call between Mansergh and Roderic Lyne on that date, but it does not mention that conversation specifically.] As you know,... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames had so advised Molyneaux. It was important not to compromise Molyneaux's position at the centre of Unionist opinion. Molyneaux and Reynolds had very different personalities, and the chemistry between them might not work. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames had expressed some concerns about the Taoiseach's approach. Reynolds had a sense of mission, and felt that he was going further than any previous Taoiseachs. He also deluded himself that he knew the northerners well. This was based on business... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Protection of Molyneaux's Position Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Statement from Peter Brooke on the IRA Monday December 1991Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames and the Prime Minister agreed that Molyneaux's advice and the protection of his position were important, and that he should not be pushed into an exposed stance. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Assessment of Ian Paisley's Position Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames accepted the thesis that Loyalist violence would tail off if IRA activity ended. But this would not happen immediately, as the Loyalists would have to show that they were not reacting to the IRA. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
No Amnesty to Be Offered Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames agreed with this, and said that any criminal investigations which were under way should not be stopped, if there was a cessation of violence. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: Alternative British Draft Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames did not comment in detail. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Finally, there was a little more conversation about the Taoiseach. Eames said that he had expressed to Reynolds his concerns that expectations of the Summit were being raised too high. The Taoiseach was very determined to do something, even if he had... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Ediotrs' Note: JD14 was reported back to the British government.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD14 Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Rewording of the Second Restatement of the Constitutional Guarantee in Paragraph 7 Thursday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
24 December 1991 Dear Mr Pawson, PRIME MINISTER'S TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. HAUGHEY Thank you for your letter of 23 December about the PIRA ceasefire. Tuesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Exchange of Christmas Wishes and Sympathy Regarding the Firebombing in London Tuesday December 1991Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister does not want this telephone call publicised. I am sending copies of this letter to Richard Gozney (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) , Simon Webb (Ministry of Defence), Colin Walters (Home Office) and Sonia Phippard (Cabinet... Tuesday December 1991Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: On the morning of 19 November 1993, the Irish Press published the Irish draft of the framework document that had been promised to the British government but not provided.] Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: On the morning of 19 November 1993, the Irish Press published the Irish draft of the framework document that had been promised to the British government but not provided.] Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA From the Private Secretary 23 November 1993 Dear Jonathan, MINISTERIAL MEETING ON NORTHERN IRELAND: 23 NOVEMBER Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
The Prime Minister held a meeting on Northern Ireland on 23 November. Your Secretary of State, the Foreign Secretary, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Home Secretary, the Defence Secretary, the Cabinet Scretary, H. M. Ambassador at Dublin, John... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Progress Report on the JDI Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
PIRA Position on a Potential Ceasefire/Cessation Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
– Adams had been encouraged by the Fianna Fail Ard Fheis and by wide support for the Hume/Adams dialogue. We did not have evidence that the Taoiseach's joint declaration would be accepted by PIRA; – while a document might be a vehicle for a PIRA... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Need for Molyneaux's Acquiesence Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Need to Take the Opportunity Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Stumbling Blocks Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Postpone the Dublin Summit Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
After further discussion of the documents attached to your letter of 22 November, and of the pros and cons of postponing the Dublin Summit, it was agreed that: Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Meeting between John Major and Jim Molyneaux on the Alternative British Draft Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: 'it was agreed'.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
– in the light of that meeting and of any further developments, we could not proceed with his joint declaration, largely because of the atmosphere created by the Irish leak, the apparent continuation of the Hume/Adams dialogue, and the impossibility in... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
– the balance of advantage appeared to lie against postponing the Dublin Summit. Postponement would raise expectations of the results of the Summit; Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Robin Butler and David Blatherwick to Convey Decision to Albert Reynolds with a Letter from John Major Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: 'it was agreed'.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
NIO to Circulate an Annotated Copy of Alternative British Draft Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
It was agreed that your Department would circulate an annotated version of the British draft joint statement, to provide Ministers with a further opportunity to reflect on points which had been raised at the meeting, and to be sure that it protected... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
NIO to Provide Draft Letter and Speaking Note for Meeting with Reynolds Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
The Northern Ireland Office would also provide a draft letter and speaking note for use by officials in presenting the Government's decision to the Taoiseach. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Contingency Planning for Rumours about Exchanges with Sinn Féin Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
The Prime Minister agreed with your Secretary of State that further contingency work should be set in hand to refine the Government's response to stories in circulation among journalists and others in Northern Ireland about exchanges with Sinn Fein. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
I am sending copies of this letter to the [sic] John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office), Jeremy Haywood (H.M. Treasury), Joan MacNaughton (Home Office), John Pitt-Brooke (Ministry of Defence) and Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). yours... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
23 November 1993 Draft Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
– a further version of that British draft Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from John Major to Albert Reynolds (25 November 1993) Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Pen Amendments Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: These amendments have been made to the document in pen.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
23 November Briefing Material Draft Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This version is the draft attached to Jonathan Stephens' letter to Roderic Lyne.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Roderic Lyne Esq CMG Private Secretary to the Prime Minister 10 Downing Street November 1993 JOINT DECLARATION INITIATIVE: LUNCH WITH MR MOLYNEAUX The Secretary of State gave lunch to Mr Molyneaux today in order to show him, following yesterday's... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Jim Molyneaux was the only permanent member of this committee.] Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Secretary of State gave lunch to Mr Molyneaux today in order to show him, following yesterday's meeting with the Prime Minister, the British text of a possible summit communique and statement on constitutional issues. Michael Ancram and I were also... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Secretary of State gave lunch to Mr Molyneaux today in order to show him, following yesterday's meeting with the Prime Minister, the British text of a possible summit communique and statement on constitutional issues. Michael Ancram and I were also... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Secretary of State gave lunch to Mr Molyneaux today in order to show him, following yesterday's meeting with the Prime Minister, the British text of a possible summit communique and statement on constitutional issues. Michael Ancram and I were also... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Secretary of State gave lunch to Mr Molyneaux today in order to show him, following yesterday's meeting with the Prime Minister, the British text of a possible summit communique and statement on constitutional issues. Michael Ancram and I were also... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: Alternative British Draft Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Northern Ireland Office's Commentary on JD2 Thursday January 1992Committee: British Government
Motion to Continue with the Scheduled Discussion with Dermot Nally Regarding the Future of the Joint Declaration Initiative Thursday January 1992Committee: British Government
[Signed] ROBIN BUTLER 30 January 1992 Thursday January 1992Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux's Comments on the Alternative British Draft of the Joint Declaration Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Paragraph 5 of the Communiqué Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
– There was nothing much objectionable in the communique itself. He checked that paragraph 5 did not mean that Sinn Fein would enter the Talks process on 3 December: the Secretary of State confirmed that it did not. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amend 'a majority' to Read 'a greater number' Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this comment.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
2(b)(i) Hackneyed Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Rephrase 2(b)(i) to Open on a Positive Note Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was adopted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was adopted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Add 'in accordance with normal democratic principles' Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this suggestion.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
No All-Ireland Referendum Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
2(d) Acceptable Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
2(c) Remove 'encourage' Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Addition to 2(c) Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Secretary of State suggested, and Mr Molyneaux accepted, that the sentence should be amended to read: "The British Government, without prejudice to the foregoing, would welcome the achievement by the people of the island of Ireland, North and... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Add 'new' Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Non-Essential Concessions Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Penultimate Sentence of 3(b) and Opening Sentence of 4 Harmless Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Coming to the two alternatives at the end of the text, the Secretary of State explained that we might propose that the Taoiseach should drop the reference to the Irish Convention contained in the square bracketed paragraphs 5 and 6. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Drop Reference to Irish Convention Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Confirm Tacit Acceptance of the Alternative British Draft Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mr Molyneaux said that, with the amendments he had suggested, it would not cause him to expostulate. He recognised that the Government had to take steps to ensure that it was not put in a position whereby the IRA could declare a temporary ceasefire... Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The Secretary of State did not give a view on this proposal.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Molyneaux's comments were reported back to the British government delegation.] Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Molyneaux's Comments on the Alternative British Draft of the Joint Declaration Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
I attach a revised version of the British text which reflects the points made by Mr Molyneaux and which has been approved by the Secretary of State. Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
25 November 1993 Draft Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
I attach a revised version of the British text which reflects the points made by Mr Molyneaux and which has been approved by the Secretary of State. Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Possible Briefing of Ian Paisley Thursday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Action I attach a revised version of the British text which reflects the points made by Mr Molyneaux and which has been approved by the Secretary of State. The way is now clear for Sir Robin Butler to convey this text to the Taoiseach, and I... Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
The way is now clear for Sir Robin Butler to convey this text to the Taoiseach, and I understand he will do so tomorrow. Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
Final Draft Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This was the final version of the letter, dated 25 November 1993.] Thursday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD14 Thursday November 1993Committee: Sinn Féin
Draft of a Declaration which Sinn Féin suggests should be made jointly by the British and Irish Governments Thursday February 1992Committee: Sinn Féin
[Editors' Note: The document was shared with John Hume.] Thursday February 1992Committee: Hume-Adams
Draft of a Declaration which Sinn Féin suggests should be made jointly by the British and Irish Governments Thursday February 1992Committee: Hume-Adams
[...] who stressed that the Provisional movement had given it to him on the basis that he would at that stage show it only to the Irish Government— [Editors' Note: W R Fittall refers to the 'Provisional movement', but it is assumed that John Hume's... Thursday February 1992Committee: Hume-Adams
[...] the Irish side know that we have it, and we know that Mr Hume intends to give it to them, probably before next week's meeting. [Editors' Note: It is agreed that Hume will share the document with the Irish government; he also shares it with the... Thursday February 1992Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA 30 November 1993 From the Private Secretary MEETING WITH MR JAMES MOLYNEAUX MP: JOINT DECLARATION I attended a meeting in the Northern Ireland Office on 30 November between Mr Michael Ancram MP and Mr James... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
PRIME MINISTER MEETING WITH MR NALLY Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
I attach a minute from Sir Robin Butler covering the Irish draft proposal for the Declaration between you and the Taoiseach. A commentary from the Northern Ireland Office is attached. Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
Mr Nally is coming here to see Robin Butler on Friday. Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
This is a very good opportunity to kick this whole exercise into touch. I think Sir Robin Butler should make clear: i. That the draft is unacceptable for the reasons outlined. He should refer back to the doubts which you expressed to Mr Haughey as to... Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
[Signed] J S WALL 4 February 1992 a\nally (kw) Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
SIR ROBIN BUTLER MEETING WITH MR NALLY Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
The Prime Minister would be grateful if, at your meeting with Mr Nally on Friday, you could kick this whole issue into the long grass. He would be grateful if you would say to Mr Nally that this is an issue which will have to be discussed between the... Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
[Signed] J. S. Wall 4 February 1992 Tuesday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Ref. AO92/363 MR WALL ___________ Meeting with Mr Nally (7 February 1992) As arranged, I met Mr Nally in London this morning. He was accompanied by Mr Dorr and Mr O hUiginn, while I had with me Mr Chilcot and Mr Thomas from the Northern Ireland Office. Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
Proposal Regarding the Size of the Delegation for the Joint Declaration Initiative - Two Delegates per Group Friday January 1992Committee: British Government
If, however, the Irish circle has already been widened to include Mr O'HUiginn, then clearly Mr Thomas here should be included as well. Friday January 1992Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: The decision on the size of the delegation was discussed with the Irish Government.] Friday January 1992Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: The decision on the size of the delegation was discussed with the Irish Government.] Friday January 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Proposal Regarding the Size of the Delegation for the Joint Declaration Initiative - Two Delegates per Group Friday January 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Proposal Regarding the Size of the British and Irish Delegations for the Joint Declaration Initiative - Three Delegates per Group Friday January 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' note: The Butler-Nally meeting on 7 February 1992 was attended by Dermot Nally, Noel Dorr and Seán Ó hUiginn on the Irish side, and Robin Butler, John Chilcot and Quentin Thomas on the British side.] Friday January 1992Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' note: The Butler-Nally meeting on 7 February 1992 was attended by Dermot Nally, Noel Dorr and Seán Ó hUiginn on the Irish side, and Robin Butler, John Chilcot and Quentin Thomas on the British side.] Friday January 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' note: The record shows that Noel Dorr was present at this meeting.] Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' note: The record shows that Seán Ó hUiginn was present at this meeting.] Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' note: The record shows that John Chilcot was present at this meeting.] Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' note: The record shows that Quentin Thomas was present at this meeting.] Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Motion to Temporarily Halt the Joint Declaration Initiative Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Expressing Conditional Interest in the Joint Declaration Solely Contingent on the Renunciation of Violence Friday February 1992Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
I attended a meeting in the Northern Ireland Office on 30 November between Mr Michael Ancram MP and Mr James Molyneaux MP. This lasted for the better part of two hours. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
I attended a meeting in the Northern Ireland Office on 30 November between Mr Michael Ancram MP and Mr James Molyneaux MP. This lasted for the better part of two hours. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
I attended a meeting in the Northern Ireland Office on 30 November between Mr Michael Ancram MP and Mr James Molyneaux MP. This lasted for the better part of two hours. Tuesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
4. On his side Mr Nally was candid about the fact that he had no political instructions given the interregnum in Dublin. He accepted that no progress could be made at present, though he was grateful for the clear expression of HMG's position. He could... Friday February 1992Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
We had before us the texts of the British draft joint statement (as discussed by your Secretary of State and Mr Molyneaux last week) Tuesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
He also clearly took the point that the British Government was unlikely to have any serious interest in an approach of this kind save on the basis that it was likely to offer a secure and deliverable peace. Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
5. The Irish side were very candid that the attraction of the draft declaration to the Provisional movement lay in the establishment of a Convention in which they could pursue the nationalist cause with the Irish Government and other nationalists by... Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Expression of Confidence in Political Talks Involving the Unionist Perspective Friday February 1992Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Comment Mr Molyneux was still in relaxed form, and showed no particular signs of nerves about the document. He has a clear understanding of the likely sequence of events. We must obviously keep him posted carefully so that there are no surprises. The... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[...] and in a more positive statement by the British Government than previously about our attitude to Irish unity (albeit with some form of consent). Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
6. We explained that, on our side, we would be saying to Mr Hume that since the Prime Minister did not know the views of the new Taoiseach, and did not expect to be able to have a personal meeting in advance of the British General Election, we did not... Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
We would also say HMG continued to believe (and hoped that the Irish Government would take the same view) that the best way forward continued to be through comprehensive and overt political talks of the kind the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland... Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
7. In answer to our questions, Mr Nally confirmed that the idea of the Convention had been in principle acceptable to Mr Haughey personally, but was by no means certain that it would be acceptable to the new Taoiseach, to whom it might well be seen to... Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD14 as Amended to Be Shown to Molyneaux Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: During this meeting, it was acknowledged that JD14 was back under consideration.] Monday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
8. I made it clear to Mr Nally that while it was possible that the Prime Minister might wish to make a speech spelling out the central elements of British Government policy in respect of Northern Ireland before the Election, there were no immediate... Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Altogether, this was a very frank and friendly meeting, at which we found that the Irish were as cautious as ourselves about the risks and viability of an initiative on the lines proposed and were willing to agree with us that, without appearing to... Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
10. I am copying this minute to the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, to the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary and to Mr Chilcot and Mr Thomas. [Signed] ROBIN BUTLER 7 February 1992 Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: During a bilateral meeting with Jim Molyneaux later in the day, Michael Ancram tabled a version of JD14 which incorporated Molyneaux's previous amendment to JD14 (e1071674); positive language about the constitutional guarantee which the... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Discuss JD14 Tuesday November 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Expression of Hope for Irish Government's Support Given the Seriousness of the Security Situation in Northern Ireland Friday February 1992Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD14 as Amended to Be Shown to Molyneaux Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Although Mr Molyneaux had said last week that he could not continue with discussions on the Joint Declaration, he was more than ready to do so today, in the light of his meetings last night with the Prime Minister and with Mr Ancram. We went through... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment A: Bring 2(4) Closer to Three-Stranded Talks Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Minute on Albert Reynolds' Visit on 26 February 1992 Friday February 1992Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment B: Qualify Brooke Formula Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment C: Avoid HMG Joining the Persuaders Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment C: Insert "the process of reaching" Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
(C) [...] He thought that Mr Ancram's suggested insertion (enable "the process of reaching") would meet his problem. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment D: Delete 'independent' Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment E: Remove 'the people of the island of Ireland alone' Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment E: Reorder the Sentences Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
(E) [...] He provisionally accepted an offer by Mr Ancram to re-draft the two sentences from "The British Government agree" to "concurrent North/South consent" in order to incorporate the same points in a different order. If the constitutional... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment F: Insert 'new' Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment G: 6(2) and 6(4) Non-Essential Negotiating Fat Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment H: Amendment of Articles 2 and 3 Non-Essential Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
(H) [...] We said that the need to amend Articles 2 and 3 was such an integral part of our approach that we could not envisage dropping the sentence. But we took the point about not paying an excessive price for it. (Comment: he gave me the impression... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Amendment I: Include Further Reference to Talks Process Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Paragraphs 10 and 11 had already been crossed out of the draft Molyneaux was shown. However, he had previously seen them, and they were still visible under the crossing out in the copy on the table during this meeting.] Mr Molyneaux... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Revelation of British Government Contacts with PIRA Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Confirm Non-Expostulation Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mr Molyneaux confirmed that it would. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Publication of a text like this would certainly lead to a fuss and doubtless much misinterpretation on the Loyalist/Unionist side. But he would not have to oppose it. He judged that it would gain acceptance if it secured the objective of leading to a... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
By agreement, Mr Molyneaux took copies of both texts away with him. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: A copy of JD14 as shown to Molyneaux, with his further amendments, was also reported to the British government delegation.] By agreement, Mr Molyneaux took copies of both texts away with him. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
We made clear to Mr Molyneaux that the JD text was likely to form the basis of discussion with the Irish Government at the Dublin summit, probably on 3 December. Before going into that meeting, the Prime Minister had wanted to be sure of Mr Molyneaux's... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD14A Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
Further British Government Amendments Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This became the text of JD14A.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Draft of a Declaration which Sinn Féin suggests should be made jointly by the British and Irish Governments Thursday February 1992Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' note: The draft JD3 was circulated among the British Government.] Thursday February 1992Committee: British Government
[Addressed to] Stephen Wall Esq 10 Downing Street London SW1A 2AA 21 February 1992 Dear Stephen, POLITICAL MOVEMENT: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING WITH THE TAOISEACH Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: William Fittall sent a letter to Stephen Wall which enclosed the JD3 and a briefing on the Joint Declaration Initiative.] Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
We understand, from Irish officials, that Mr Reynolds is indeed likely at his meeting with the Prime Minister on 26 February to revert to the issue which Mr Haughey raised on 4 December: namely Mr Hume's proposals for a Joint Declaration by the two... Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
Draft of a Declaration which Sinn Féin suggests should be made jointly by the British and Irish Governments Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
Briefing on Political Movement and the Joint Declaration Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
It is assumed that the Taoiseach and the Prime Minister would deal with this issue in their tete-à-tete. Friday February 1992Committee: British Government
I am sending a copy of this letter to Richard Gozney (FCO) and to Sir Robin Butler. [Signed] W R Fittall Friday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Stephen Wall attended this meeting as a note taker.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Dermot Nally attended this meeting as a note taker.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach had an hour and a half of private discussion, with Dermot Nally and myself present as note-takers before they talked to the press in Downing Street and before the main dinner. I am sending a separate letter about... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
General Discussion on Politics Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Motion to Meet Twice in a Year Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discussion on Political Developments in Northern Ireland Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Motion to Undertake Confidence-Building Measures in Northern Ireland Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that he did not want to take the matter any further at present. He would reflect on it and get back to the Taoiseach. He did have it in mind to make a speech in Northern Ireland but this would not be until after the General Election. Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Security The Prime Minister referred to the four specific suggestions which he had put to Mr Haughey at their last meeting. Mr Reynolds referred to his brief which covered this issue indicating that the common automatic fingerprint recognition system... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He used the same arguments Mr Haughey had used against a dedicated Garda anti-terrorist squad, i.e. that the structure of the Garda was different from our police. The Prime Minister said we had had in mind a unit in the border area. Mr Nally said that... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds referred to the sensitivity of direct Army to Garda communications (Mr Nally told me subsequently that this idea would never be acceptable). Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Query Regarding the Appropriate Channel for Discussing Security Issues Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Motion to Resume Discussions on the Draft Joint Declaration Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Proposal Regarding the Creation of Jointly-Manned Border Posts Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds said this would not work. The border was not the problem. Only one of the thirty people killed in Northern Ireland since the start of the year had been killed on the border. (I produced the figures from the brief showing the overall level... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Query Regarding the Taoiseach's Vision for the Solution to the Problems in Northern Ireland Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that if you wanted people to move beyond existing positions, then you had to gain their trust. He himself did not yet have a feel for Northern Ireland and the people of Northern Ireland did not yet know him. That was why he... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds agreed. He had worked with people from Northern Ireland from both traditions. They were hard-working, shrewd and excellent colleagues provided you had their trust. Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Motion to Refer to Issue of the Government of Ireland Act 1920 in Front of the Press Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds said that was not the intention. He agreed not to refer to the issue when he and the Prime Minister spoke to the press. Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
This part of the meeting ended at 2000 hours. I am copying this letter to Richard Gozney (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Sonia Phippard (Cabinet Office). [Signed] (J. S. WALL) [Addressed to] William Fittall, Esq., Northern Ireland Office. Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: David Andrews attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Pádraig Flynn attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Dermot Nally attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Noel Dorr attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Joseph Brosnan attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Seán Ó hUiginn attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Joseph Small attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Peter Brooke attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Brian Mawhinney attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Robin Butler attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: John Chilcot attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: David Blatherwick attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Stephen Wall attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Tristan Garel-Jones attended this meeting.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
26 February 1992 Dear William, NORTHERN IRELAND: TALKS BETWEEN MR REYNOLDS AND THE PRIME MINISTER This letter records the discussion which took place over dinner at No. 10 this evening. Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I enclose a list of those who were present. Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Briefing on the Status of the Three-Stranded Talks Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Explanation of Peter Brooke's Vision for the End Product of the Talks Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Andrews said that he and Mr Brooke had gone over much of the ground at their meeting earlier in the evening. At next week's Ministerial meeting under the Anglo-Irish Agreement he would be guided by the wisdom of Mr Brooke. He supported Mr Reynolds... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Mawhinney said that the Government had tested the commitment of the Northern Ireland parties to the three-stranded approach. There had been scepticism among the Unionists as to whether the SDLP was prepared to be serious about strand one. The... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Expression of Hope that the British and Irish Governments can Expedite the Peace Process Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Comment on Cooperation on Security Issues Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds said that, nonetheless, time was not on our side. We had had 22 years of troubles. He tended to get impatient with problems that could not be resolved. The more one dealt with these issues the more difficult it was to see the wood for the... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
At the end of the evening the Prime Minister said that he looked forward to further meetings with Mr Reynolds in London or Dublin. [Editors' Note: While this record does not explicitly detail Albert Reynolds' response to the proposal, other records... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
"Or Belfast" said Mr Reynolds, picking up a point which the Prime Minister had made at their earlier meeting. Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I am copying this letter to Richard Gozney (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Sonia Phippard (Cabinet Office). [Signed] (J. S. WALL) [Addressed to] William Fittall, Esq., Northern Ireland Office. Wednesday February 1992Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: David McIlroy was involved with the Joint Declaration Initiative.] Sunday June 1993Committee: British Government
Sir Robin will know that the Prime Minister responded to a question on Hume/Adams in the House from Dr Paisley earlier this afternoon. A copy of that is also attached. Copies of this go to Roderic Lyne and Sir Timothy Daunt. Yours... Tuesday October 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The stamp on the document suggests that some text has been redacted in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000.] 10 February 1992 TELEPHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND MR ALBERT REYNOLDS The Prime Minister... Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds said that when you looked back seventy years the sort of policies people had then had in mind [by implication those set out in the Government of Ireland Act 1920] were the very policies that were now being developed in Europe. We should... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discussion on European Community Issues and the Delors package Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that he had agreed with Mr Haughey that they would meet twice a year, once in Dublin and once in London. He thought there was a good case for a meeting between Mr Reynolds and himself sooner rather than later. Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Proposal to Set a Date and Venue for the Next Meeting Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Proposal to Hold Discussions on EC-related Issues Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds agreed. Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discussion on Political Developments in Northern Ireland Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Advice on the British Government's Approach to the Internment Issue Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
We are telling the press that the Prime Minister has spoken to Mr Reynolds on the telephone to congratulate him on his election and that the two men have agreed to meet in the near future. We are adding that no dates have yet been fixed. Monday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I am copying this letter to William Fittall (Northern Ireland Office) and Sonia Phippard (Cabinet Office). J. S. WALL [Addressed to] Richard Gozney, Esq. Foreign and Commonwealth Office Monday February 1992Committee: British Government
10 February 1992 Dear Stephen, REPUBLIC OF IRELAND DESPATCH: HMA DUBLIN'S "SECOND IMPRESSIONS" Monday February 1992Committee: British Government
[Editors' note: Douglas Hurd was the initial recipient of David Blatherwick's briefing and suggested that John Major also review it.] Monday February 1992Committee: British Government
Letter from David Blatherwick to Douglas Hurd on "Second Impressions" about the Situation in Ireland Monday February 1992Committee: British Government
Note of Important Policy Objectives in Anglo-Irish Relations Monday February 1992Committee: British Government
Comment on the Opportunity Presented by the Appointment of Albert Reynolds as Taoiseach Monday February 1992Committee: British Government
I am copying this letter and enclosure to the Private Secretaries to the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Home Affairs, Trade and Industry, Defence, the Attorney General and to Sir Robin Butler. [Signed] (R H T Gozney) Private... Monday February 1992Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Draft of a Declaration which Sinn Féin suggests should be made jointly by the British and Irish Governments Monday February 1992Committee: British Government
Early 12 November 1993 Draft by Tony Beeton Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
Adopt Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
Briefing for John Major's Meeting with Albert Reynolds on 26 February 1992 Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
Telegram from David Blatherwick for the Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meeting Tuesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that the Provisional IRA had shaken public opinion by the Teebane atrocity and by their bombing campaign on the mainland. The impression we had was that while Gerry Adams and one or two others might be feeling battle fatigue,... Wednesday February 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Letter from John Major to Albert Reynolds Regarding a Speech in Dublin Monday May 1992Committee: British Government
Letter from Christopher Prentice to Stephen Wall Regarding the Next Anglo-Irish Conference Friday July 1992Committee: British Government
MR. HASLAM cc Mrs. Goodchild ANGLO-IRISH SUMMIT There will be an Anglo-Irish Summit in London this Friday, 25 September, starting at 12 noon, continuing over lunch and finishing at about 1430. Wednesday September 1992Committee: British Government
Press Line Regarding Anglo-Irish Summit Wednesday September 1992Committee: British Government
Background on the Anglo-Irish Summit Scheduled for 25 September 1992 Wednesday September 1992Committee: British Government
J. S. WALL 23 September 1992 FOREIGN\TAOISEACH.DCA Wednesday September 1992Committee: British Government
Briefing for John Major for Meeting with Albert Reynolds Thursday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Pádraig Flynn attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Joseph Small attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Dermot Nally attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Noel Dorr attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Seán Ó hUiginn attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Joseph Brosnan attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Patrick Mayhew attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Tristan Garel-Jones attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Robin Butler attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: David Blatherwick attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: John Chilcot attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Stephen Wall attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
25 September 1992 Dear William, TALKS BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE PRIME MINISTER OF IRELAND: 25 SEPTEMBER Thank you for the briefing for the Prime Minister's talks with the Prime Minister of Ireland. I was also grateful for the briefing... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Dermot Nally attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: Stephen Wall attended this meeting.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
25 September 1992 Dear William, PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING WITH THE PRIME MINISTER OF IRELAND: FRIDAY 25 SEPTEMBER Thank you for the briefing which you provided for the Prime Minister's meeting with the Irish Prime Minister this morning. The two of... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' note: The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach were the only permanent members of this committee.] Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The British Government persuaded the Irish Government to postpone the Inter-Governmental Conference that was scheduled in September 1992, out of fear that it might have led to the breakdown of talks in Northern Ireland.] Tuesday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discussion on the Postponement of the Inter-Governmental Conference Tuesday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discussion on Recent Events on Foreign Exchanges Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister thanked Mr. Reynolds for talking to him at short notice earlier in the week. We meant what had been said about seeking a final deferment of the inter-governmental conference. At the pace that the talks had been proceeding some time... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discussion on the Status of the Northern Ireland Talks Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Motion to Fix the Date for the Next Inter-Governmental Conference Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds said that he was under some domestic pressure because people thought that concessions had been made by the Irish Government with little to show for it in exchange. After his telephone conversation with the Prime Minister, he had said he was... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
PRIME MINISTER'S TETE-A-TETE MEETING WITH THE TAOISEACH, DUBLIN CASTLE, FRIDAY 3 DECEMBER Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
PRIME MINISTER'S TETE-A-TETE MEETING WITH THE TAOISEACH, DUBLIN CASTLE, FRIDAY 3 DECEMBER Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach spent the first half hour without note takers. Their discussion included some very frank talk about events which have caused friction in relations over the past few weeks, including the unattributable briefing given... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Martin Mansergh and I joined the meeting at 1150. It then ran until about 1300. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Martin Mansergh and I joined the meeting at 1150. It then ran until about 1300. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Martin Mansergh and I joined the meeting at 1150. It then ran until about 1300. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
There was then a discussion about the dates of the resumed IGC. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Motion to Schedule the Next Inter-Governmental Conference on 6 November Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He stuck by that but there was a different evaluation of what was happening in the talks. He did not underestimate the symbolic significance of what had taken place. And some useful discussions had taken place with the UUP. The DUP, however, simply... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Debate on the Viability of Achieving Unambiguous Consensus on Constitutional Issues Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Objective: Lasting Cessation of Violence Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Objective: Lasting Political Settlement Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Need to Carry Both Sides Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Motion to Schedule the Next Inter-Governmental Conference for 16 November Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Need for Agreement to Be Politically Viable Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Acknowledgement of Recent Difficulties Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach agreed that the joint objective was to find a formula for a cessation of violence; Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach agreed that the joint objective was to find a formula for a cessation of violence; and, at the same time, to create an environment in which the talks process might prosper. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
It had always been agreed between him and the Prime Minister that, during their respective terms in office, they would make a real effort to secure an end to violence. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Distribution: Copy No.1: file Copy No.2: Sir Robin Butler Copy No.3: RL f\tete.jd Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[...] and after a bit of whispering in Mr Reynolds' ear by Dermot Nally Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[...] this was agreed. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Separate Governmental Peace Initiative from Hume/Adams Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach agreed. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He had given the Prime Minister the first draft of a joint declaration in June. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
It needed to be acceptable to both Governments and Parliaments. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
It would also have to command the support of both communities, and to get the paramilitaries on both sides off violence. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said that these remained as the agreed objectives. However, events along the way had caused annoyance. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
For example, there had been much concern at the Irish Cabinet meeting on 30 November that his Government had engaged in open exchanges with HMG, and the two Prime Ministers had developed a close relationship, only to discover that the Government did... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Comment on Loyalist Violence Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister agreed that this was the time to clear the air. The document conveyed by the Irish Government in June had presented great difficulties for us. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I am recording separately the lunchtime discussion. I am copying this letter to Richard Gozney (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). [Signed] J. S. WALL [Addressed to] William Fittall, Esq., Northern Ireland Office. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Nevertheless, we had continued to discuss it. He still wanted the two Governments to be able to produce an acceptable document. He was prepared to go on trying. Today, tomorrow or next year as necessary. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that the IRA's approach in February had come through a secret channel. As the published exchanges showed, we had not entered into a substantive negotiation with them. We had published all the messages which had been passed.... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The proposed joint declaration was a risk. It would register advances in our position. If there was no end to violence, it would be said that we had made an offer to the IRA and gained nothing in return, except to raise the base line for the next time. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Press Briefing by the Irish Government Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that we had now been waiting for a very long time for the Strand 2 paper from the Irish Government. The version which had leaked to the Irish Press had caused an uproar in the North. We still had not received the authorised... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that he and Mr Reynolds had had a very useful exchange and had agreed that the next session of the IGC would be on 16 November. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that the only gainers from a rift between the two Governments would be the extremists. The Taoiseach acknowledged that some of the briefing had come from the Irish Government, though not all of it. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
As for the leaked document, the Irish had the right to put what they wanted in their paper. They would not have expected it to be acceptable to us. They had been very annoyed when Paisley had quoted the Prime Minister as saying that he would boot the... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach denied authorship of the speculation about a self-determination formula. This was the Provo line, not his. He knew that it would drive the Unionists bananas. It was not in his interests to do so. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach distinguished between two separate processes. If the violence could be halted, the talks process would have a much better chance. His approach was to try to freeze the position through the peace initiative. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The joint declaration did not undermine the position of the British Government or of the Unionists. The only losers from it would be Provisional Sinn Fein. The joint declaration did not incorporate any of their four principal objectives. The Taoiseach... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister asked when the Irish would help the talks process to move ahead. The Taoiseach replied that we would receive a paper; the Prime Minister could rest assured about that. The Prime Minister hoped it would come soon. Its absence was... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
We hoped it would be possible to reach heads of agreement in the intervening period. If it was not possible to reach agreement in that period, then it would be clear where the blame lay. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Northern Ireland Secretary said he understood the pressures on the Irish Government in respect of the IGC and was very grateful for their agreement to a postponement. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach observed derisively that the Ancram talks were not going anywhere. Jim Molyneaux was writing the script. He wanted to have Strand 1 – and forget the rest. The Prime Minister refuted this. Ancram was making progress. But we had to carry... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Contacts with Loyalist Paramilitaries Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Contacts with PIRA Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
This had come out from the bugging of the Clonard (sp?) Monastery. The Prime Minister warned that it would not be profitable to go down that track again. The Taoiseach dismissed this. The Prime Minister should not assume that British intelligence told... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said that, in order to protect its own position, the Irish Government had put a lot of Republican language into the June document. It had not needed to consult the IRA as it knew their position well. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
But changes to the paper meant that it now offered a balanced diet. It would be very hard for PIRA to reject the paper. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister asked whether now would be the right time to put forward a joint declaration. The Taoiseach said that he would want to judge this very shortly before the time of release. Mansergh thought that PIRA had made a psychological decision... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He noted the escalation in loyalist para-military violence this year. Any de-escalation had been on the PIRA side. He referred to a number of recent incidents including that at Cloghoge. The Irish had been rather cross with Sir Patrick because he had... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Do Not Negotiate on Final Joint Declaration with the PIRA Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mansergh said this was not necessary. They had had plenty of opportunities to put their bids in. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The absence of IGC meetings was frustrating. The postponement to the 16th was a very generous amount of time. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Martin Mansergh said that the fundamental requirements of the Unionists, like the principles of the British Government, were respected in the Joint Declaration. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that it had required some political courage to proscribe the UDA. That had been the initiative not of himself but of the Secretary of State who had had to take quite a lot of flack as to why he had not proscribed Provisional Sinn Fein. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mansergh said the recent events had put PIRA under severe strain. The thought that McGuinness had said that the struggle was over was very damaging. PIRA's highest objective was to hold their own organisation together. They feared that HMG was trying... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Remark on the Status of Security Cooperation between Britain and Ireland Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Turning to the Unionists, the Prime Minister said that even among the middle classes there was now much fear and suspicion. The leaked Irish Government paper had given them the impression of a hidden agenda for Pan-Irish structures. They were afraid of... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said that the points which the Prime Minister had raised really belonged in the talks process rather than in the peace initiative. He acknowledged Unionist fears about not being consulted as they were taken down the road. He thought the... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discuss and Amend the Joint Declaration after Lunch Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach agreed. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Proposition to Use the Secretariat to Discuss Northern Ireland Issues Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Reynolds said that he wanted to make clear that the Irish Government had appreciated the proscription of the UDA. Picking up Mr Flynn's point, Sir Patrick Mayhew said that he had not put the blame on the Irish for Cloghoge but he would pursue this... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He referred to the very good cooperation there had been under the new legislation, which had led to a successful joint operation in May. Mr Flynn agreed but thought the level of cooperation could be improved still further. There should be no message of... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Proposal to Remove Permanent Vehicle Checkpoints on the Border Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Flynn said that since the break in the IGCs, the level of cooperation in the Secretariat had diminished quite substantially. Matters were not getting the same amount of attention that they would if the IGC was meeting. This was a worrying... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that Mr Flynn had spoken about the value of professional advice. He himself would love to be able to get rid of the PVCs and he had checked very carefully with his professional advisers and their unequivocal advice was that they... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Sir Patrick Mayhew said he would keep this issue under review and was willing to discuss it. He did not believe that any of the closures were anything other than necessary operationally. There was nothing we would like better than to have every road open. Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Flynn asked, somewhat heatedly, if a moment would ever come when Sir Patrick Mayhew authorised something which would be helpful to the Irish Government. Sir Patrick Mayhew said we would do so when we could without prejudicing our joint aims in... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The talks Mr Flynn said that we had reached a certain point in the talks but we were beating round the mulberry bush and going nowhere. With every week that passed, it was apparent that the Unionists parties' main interest was in a change in the Irish... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that substantial progress had been made in the last week. The Irish Government's paper on terrorism had been useful. The Unionists were thinking about structures. The Irish had produced a very careful and helpful paper on the... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Discussions on the Desired Outcomes of Talks as Envisioned by the Irish Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
European Community Mr GareI-Jones described the mood in the House of Commons. The Maastricht Treaty was a good treaty for us. We were not in the business of avoiding ratification and he hoped Mr Reynolds could explain the political realities to... Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I am copying this letter to Richard Gozney (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). [Signed] J. S. WALL [Addressed to] William Fittall, Esq., Northern Ireland Office Friday September 1992Committee: British Government
Report on Meeting between Patrick Mayhew and James Bolger Monday March 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Roderic Lyne sent this note to William Fittall on 8 April 1993.] Thursday April 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Roderic Lyne noted that the letter conveyed John Major's instructions for Patrick Mayhew regarding the Northern Ireland committee meeting on 15 April.] Thursday April 1993Committee: British Government
Letter from Roderic Lyne to William Fittall with Points for Patrick Mayhew to Raise Thursday April 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Communiqué on Meeting between John Major and Albert Reynolds Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
NORTHERN IRELAND OFFICE WHITEHALL LONDON SW1A 2AZ Roderic Lyne Esq CMG Private Secretary to the Prime Minister 10 Downing Street LONDON 6 December 1993 Dear Roderic DUBLIN 3 DECEMBER: MORNING MINISTERIAL SESSION While the Prime Minister and the... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
While the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach held their tete a tete, the Foreign Secretary and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland met with the Tanaiste and Minister for Justice. On our side, Sir Robin Butler, Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas and HM Ambassador... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The meeting broke for lunch. Copies go to John Sawers (FCO), Jeremy Heywood (HMT), Joan MacNaughton (Home Office), John Pitt-Brooke (MOD), Melanie Leach and David Blatherwick in Dublin. Yours sincerely, Simon Rogers for JONATHAN STEPHENS Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British/IRA Contacts The Tanaiste said that, having worked in good faith with us and on an open basis, the Irish Government were very disconcerted to find that they had not been informed about another process which was in operation and which was... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Foreign Secretary said that it was clear that some elements of PIRA were very anxious to undermine security co-operation and the peace process. They now appeared to be using public misinformation to achieve their aims: the Irish should not fall for... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Assessment of Current PIRA Attitudes towards a Ceasefire Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Foreign Secretary said that we had always been careful to draw a clear distinction between answering PIRA's queries on how to bring violence to a close, and entering negotiations on matters of substance which we had never done. At no time had we... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mrs Geoghegan-Quinn said that the Irish Government felt more than sore on this issue: it felt betrayed and sold down the river. This "tiny circle" had apparently included PIRA but excluded the Irish Government. She would have expected the terms of the... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland said their intentions were very difficult to read. It appeared they were divided and the present revelations might have been a result of that division. Clearly McGuinness feared recriminations if he did not... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Unionist and Loyalist Reaction The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland said that few unionists had been genuinely surprised that there had been contacts between the Government and the IRA. But the fear, although ill-founded, that they might have... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
It was possible that, out of pique at the firm rejection of the Hume/Adams plan by both Governments, Adams had deliberately leaked the contacts in order to create the impression that the Government was in negotiation with PIRA in the knowledge that... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The DUP were hoping that the UUP would lose out: their basic line was that the Government had lied in its denials that there had been talks or negotiations, which there had not been. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Position of Loyalist Paramilitaries Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Tanaiste said that the prize was an end to PIRA violence. There had been a significant change in their mind-set. They had discarded fundamental principles of the past and no longer insisted on a British withdrawal; nor on Britain joining the ranks... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Dalton said that, while there might be a risk of heightened loyalist alienation as a result of an end to PIRA violence, that might be a lesser risk (and more containable) than renewed PIRA violence exacerbated by a loyalist response. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland said that there was no question at any time of paying a price for an end to violence. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Nor was there any point in simply shifting the seat of violence from one side to another. If violence on the republican side were brought to an end on a basis which a broad mass of people in the unionist community thought unacceptable, that would lead... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr Thomas said that part of the problem for unionists at present was the degree of uncertainty. They did not know what was in the Hume/Adams plan; nor in the Taoiseach's so-called peace plan; nor did they know PIRA's intentions. There had been a great... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
No message we had received amounted to the clear assurance that violence would be brought to an end, which was fundamental to progress. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Foreign Secretary commented that the Irish analysis of the prospects for an end to violence appeared more optimistic than the British analysis. We were yet to be persuaded that there was a change in PIRA's attitude. It was not surprising therefore... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
NORTHERN IRELAND OFFICE WHITEHALL LONDON SW1A 2AZ Roderic Lyne Esq CMG Private Secretary to the Prime Minister 10 Downing Street LONDON 6 December 1993 Dear Roderic DUBLIN 3 DECEMBER: MORNING MINISTERIAL SESSION While the Prime Minister and the... Friday December 1993Committee: Sinn Féin
[Editors' Note: Gerry Adams replied to Patrick Mayhew's speech at the University of Ulster at Coleraine. Adams's response is recorded in a report sent by David Blatherwick to the British Government on 23 December 1992.] Tuesday December 1992Committee: British Government
Report on Press Reaction to Gerry Adams' Comments on Patrick Mayhew's Speech Wednesday December 1992Committee: British Government
Speaking Note for the British Delegation for Meeting between Albert Reynolds and John Major Thursday September 1992Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This speaking note was likely used in and circulated amongst the delegates present at the meeting between John Major and Albert Reynolds on 25 September 1992.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Speaking Note for the British Delegation for Meeting between Albert Reynolds and John Major Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Speaking Note for the British Delegation for Meeting between Albert Reynolds and John Major Friday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
RESUMED PLENARY MEETING, DUBLIN CASTLE, 3 DECEMBER 1993, 1710-1800 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Background Notes for John Major's Meeting with Albert Reynolds Thursday September 1992Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said that the Irish delegation had considered the amendments tabled by the British side. They continued to feel that the British amendments would disrupt the balance of the document. There would be no point in producing a document which... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Irish saw four amendments as presenting major difficulties: – the revised first sentence to paragraph four, in which we hedged the "Peter Brooke" formula ("no selfish strategic or economic interest") with qualifications; Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
– the amended self-determination formula in the fifth sentence of paragraph four, which for the first time incorporated the term "separately" to describe the exercise of self-determination in Ireland. It would be better to use "concurrently", as... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
– withdrawal of the "claim of right" through the additional sentence which the British wished to add to paragraph seven. ("He confirms that, in the event of an overall accommodation being agreed, the Irish Government will put forward proposals for a... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Taoiseach What is the reason for deleting the word "independent" (as a description for the "structures")? 0 hUiginn That change is in contradiction with Art. 1 (c) of the Anglo-Irish Agreement. Prime Minister I was surprised to see the word in the... Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Amendments Proposed to JD14 in Dublin on 3 December 1993 Sunday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
– the proposed deletion of the Irish Convention (paragraphs ten and eleven of JD14). The Convention lay within Ireland's own jurisdiction. The Prime Minister pointed out that, if the talks which we were prepared to offer instead to the IRA, after an... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach argued that these four amendments would make it impossible for the Irish Government to accept the Joint Declaration. The Prime Minister argued, with some vehemence, that JD14 had been unbalanced from a British perspective. We had argued... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He could not overestimate the importance for us of the guarantee. Its omission would not be defensible in parliament. Sean o hUiggin [sic] acknowledged that the guarantee had been discussed in talks between officials. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
But the "psychology" of the Joint Declaration was aimed at the particular audience which the Irish wished to persuade. Paragraph two included an oblique reference to the guarantee. Sir Robin Butler said that the text was explicit about a united... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Two of the British amendments would reinforce it – our qualification of the "Brooke formula" Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Two of the British amendments would reinforce it – our qualification of the "Brooke formula" and the withdrawal of the claim of right. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Sir Patrick Mayhew pointed out that over the past year he had repeatedly used the qualified version of the Brooke formula. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
After a number of further exchanges on the case for balanced generosity of language, Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Continue the Meeting until Agreement Is Reached Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Commission Officials to Work on the Text Next Week Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Success Unattainable Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said that the Irish could not accept the document if the British amendments were unnegotiable. All he wanted was to offer the right language as the price for peace. The Prime Minister said that there would be no settlement in Northern... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
In reply to a question from the Prime Minister, the Taoiseach said he could not be certain that even his version of the Joint Declaration would produce a cessation of violence. He would have been sure of this ten days ago. But he thought it would be... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Dermot Nally said that he did not think the differences were insurmountable. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He was looking for an agreement, not for delay. There could be no cast iron guarantee that the Joint Declaration would take the trick. There were arguments for and against issuing the text even if we judged success unlikely. A decision on this would... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Unilateral Irish Statement Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Dermot Nally said that the pressure on the Provisionals would be immense if the two Prime Ministers could agree on a text. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that a unilateral statement by the Irish would have little chance of achieving anything but would open up a yawning chasm between the two governments. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Unilateral British Statement Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Press Line to Take Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this suggestion.] Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
3 December 1993 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Telegram from David Blatherwick with Pointers from Dermot Nally Monday February 1992Committee: British Government
Confirmation That No Side Agreements Are Associated with the Declaration Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
Confirmation That the Irish Government Consider the Declaration Compatible with the Talks Process Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
Sinn Féin Not to Enter Talks Immediately Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
Taoiseach to Issue an Assurance That the Declaration Would Be a Basis for a PIRA Ceasefire Monday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal was put to the Irish government during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal was put to the Irish government during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal was put to the Irish government during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This proposal was put to the Irish government during the Butler/Nally meeting on 6 October 1993.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
3. Nally then dealt formally with each of the four points raised at the last Butler-Nally meeting and conveyed the Taoiseach's formal assurances on each of the points involved. He emphasised there was no doubt in the Taoiseach's mind about rejecting... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
At the end of the Anglo Irish Liaison Group meeting on 14 October I had a private work with Mr O hUiginn. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
At the end of the Anglo Irish Liaison Group meeting on 14 October I had a private work with Mr O hUiginn. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
At the end of the Anglo Irish Liaison Group meeting on 14 October I had a private work with Mr O hUiginn. I was able before doing so to speak to the Secretary of State briefly who gave me guidance on what I should say to Mr O hUiginn about the Joint... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
FROM Q J THOMAS, DUS (L) 15 OCTOBER 1993 DUSL/MR/42498 PS/SECRETARY OF STATE(L)–[1] (Jonathan Stephens) cc Michael Ancram(B)–[2]* PS/PUS(L)–[3] Mr Deverell–[4]* Mr Cooke–[5] Mr Rickard–[6]* Mr C Glyn-Jones–[7]+ Mr Beeton–[8] Mr May–[9]* PS/Sir R... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. I duly reported to Mr O hUiginn that the Joint Declaration Initiative was receiving the most serious consideration at the highest level; that it was unlikely that a decision could be communicated to the Irish Government in the next few days; Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. I duly reported to Mr O hUiginn that the Joint Declaration Initiative was receiving the most serious consideration at the highest level; that it was unlikely that a decision could be communicated to the Irish Government in the next few days; but... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Include an Explicit Reference to the Constitutional Guarantee Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
This led Mr O hUiginn to express again the Taoiseach's view that this would be fatal to the enterprise. The psychology of the Provisionals would mean that this was simply unacceptable to them. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Fallout in the Event of Failure Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[SIGNED] Q J THOMAS 15 October 1993 OAB 6447 Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Taoiseach to Highlight the Urgency of the Situation to the Prime Minister Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said that if the Taoiseach were seriously concerned it might be right for him to make his views known but I did not myself think that the British side lacked information which the Irish side could provide. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn emphasised that there was, on the Irish view, very little time and that much delay would amount to taking a decision. I in turn emphasised that there was no sense in which the British side were delaying things with the expectation that the... Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: We have the speaking note for this meeting, but no record of it. It seems likely that the Prime Minister agreed to put the text of the declaration both to Molyneaux and to Ministers: Ken Clarke, Michael Howard and Malcolm Rifkind were... Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
Ministers to Retain Copies of the Joint Declaration Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
2. Copies of the JDI with the revised paragraph 4 were left with the Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the footing that they would be safeguarded very tightly. The Defence Secretary chose not to retain a copy for the present. Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
2. Copies of the JDI with the revised paragraph 4 were left with the Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the footing that they would be safeguarded very tightly. The Defence Secretary chose not to retain a copy for the present. We... Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
NIO to Arrange for Further Copies for 18 October 1993 Meeting Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
We shall arrange to have copies available at the Prime Minister's resumed meeting with the wider group of Ministers on Monday 18 October. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
FROM: D A L COOKE SIL/TPU 22 OCTOBER 1993 cc PS/PUS (L) [2] Mr Thomas [3] Mr Deverell* [4] Mr Rickard* [5] Mr Beeton [6] Mr May* [7] Mr C Glyn-Jones+ [8] PS/Sir Robin Butler+ [9] Sir T Daunt+ [10] File [11] *Mufax via Liaison (L) + via Liasion... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
In the margins of yesterday's Liaison Group meeting in Dublin, Mr Thomas and Mr O hUiginn had a discussion about the Joint Declaration. I was the only other person present. Thursday October 1993Committee: British Government
(iii) Sir Robin Butler and I then called on the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He shared the view of his colleagues regarding the crucial nature of the constitutional guarantee reference, and the importance to be attached to Jim Molyneaux's assessment of... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
11. In the apparent battle between the vengeful and constructive daemons which seemed to run through a lot of the things Mr O hUiginn said, the latter at the end seemed to be re-asserting itself. (SIGNED) D A L COOKE SIL/TPU 22 OCTOBER 1993 OAB EXT 6538 Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
In the margins of yesterday's Liaison Group meeting in Dublin, Mr Thomas and Mr O hUiginn had a discussion about the Joint Declaration. I was the only other person present. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
In the margins of yesterday's Liaison Group meeting in Dublin, Mr Thomas and Mr O hUiginn had a discussion about the Joint Declaration. I was the only other person present. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
In the margins of yesterday's Liaison Group meeting in Dublin, Mr Thomas and Mr O hUiginn had a discussion about the Joint Declaration. I was the only other person present. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Taoiseach's Reaction to British Government Position Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Consequences for the PIRA of Government Failure to Agree a Joint Declaration Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn doubted whether the positive elements from Sir Robin's briefing had really registered with the Taoiseach. He said that the Taoiseach had brushed aside the intelligence assessment. The Taoiseach believed that much of the real explanation... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government to Show JD12 to Archbishop Eames Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: No objection was made to this course of action.] Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. Mr Thomas emphasised the way in which the Hume/Adams' statement of 25 September had heightened the difficulties. Our concerns about the loyalist reaction to even the most recent Joint Declaration text were entirely genuine, even allowing that it was... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Accept the Probable Transience of a PIRA Cessation Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn said the Irish Government had formed a clear view, based on an understanding of, although certainly not a sympathy for, the aspirations of the Provisionals, that the PIRA cessation would have been for real. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Leak of Joint Declaration Text Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
– there would, Mr O hUiginn hoped, be no "negativism" on the part of the Irish Government. They would "do the best they could" on continuing the Talks process Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Exclusion Order against Gerry Adams Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
– the prospects for re-engaging John Hume in the Talks process were not good. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Appeal to US Intervention Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
– although the Irish Government were dejected at the British position, they believed political difficulties were part of the explanation. There was what might be termed "a timing problem". But the facts of life dictated that the two Governments were... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
– John Hume had, and had retained, the version before last of the Joint Declaration text (probably JD11). He might be tempted to leak this. Any version leaked by the Provisionals would probably be an earlier version Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
– the Taoiseach's private attitude was that he had managed the risk for the British Government and had picked up the flack. We were now saying that the game was not worth the candle. We were not prepared to make the necessary sacrifices. This was very... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government to Issue a Unilateral Statement Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
– [...] The Taoiseach would not be "vengeful" about the Talks process, but might be tougher in his attitude towards it. He was still convinced that peace had to come before talks, and not the other way round. (Mr Thomas questioned this, and pointed to... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
– people (implying John Hume, but not just John Hume) would now want to "go to America." It was too early to say what the Irish Government's attitude would now be towards the peace envoy proposal. The likelihood was increased that the peace envoy would... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Briefing of John Hume and PIRA on British Government Rejection of the Joint Declaration Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He reiterated that life would be very difficult for Mr Hume, and that in his view there were no soft landings. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He also thought that Mr Adams' position was now very difficult. Mr Thomas questioned this, pointing out that Mr Adams had eaten no words, silenced no guns, and gained a good deal of propaganda credit through association with Mr Hume. Mr O hUiginn... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Alternatives to the Joint Declaration Including Possible Speech Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
More generally, anything that was done on political movement probably needed to be decoupled from Hume/Adams, given the suspicions which their démarche had aroused. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn conceded that a speech might be helpful, but would need to be carefully timed: Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mr O hUiginn conceded that a speech might be helpful, but would need to be carefully timed: it would do not [sic] good with the Provisionals if they were still smarting from the Adams Exclusion Order. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
9. The meeting ended with a restatement by Mr Thomas of the British side's position. We maintained our long-term interest in political movement. We hoped that the immediate aftermath of the present Initiative could be handled sensitively and... Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The British Government did believe that the Talks process has an important part to play. It was vital that the two Governments should maintain their commitment to this process. Thursday October 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
10. At the end of the meeting, Mr O hUiginn returned to musings about a scenario in which the Irish Government, taking the view that they had nothing to lose, went to Washington and elsewhere to brief about what had been on offer, what had been... Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I had dinner with Archbishop Eames in London on Friday 22 October. The Archdeacon of London, George Cassidy, was present for much but not all of the time. Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I had dinner with Archbishop Eames in London on Friday 22 October. The Archdeacon of London, George Cassidy, was present for much but not all of the time. Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I had dinner with Archbishop Eames in London on Friday 22 October. The Archdeacon of London, George Cassidy, was present for much but not all of the time. Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
FROM: PUS 26 OCTOBER 1993 Copy no ..... of [7] cc. Mr Thomas [2] Mr Deverell [3] Mr Cooke [4] Mr Rickard [5] Mr Beeton [6] Mr May [7] PS/SECRETARY OF STATE MR STEPHENS [1] ARCHBISHOP EAMES Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
JAC J A CHILCOT 26 OCTOBER 1993 Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Report on Eames' Contacts with the Taoiseach Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Help Contain the Protestant Reaction Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
British Government to Confirm No Compromise of Principle Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
(ii) the Archbishop will do anything he can, provided he can be warned/briefed in time, to help contain the Protestant reaction provided he can be reasonably assured that there is no compromise of basic principles. So far as the British Government is... Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
(ii) the Archbishop will do anything he can, provided he can be warned/briefed in time, to help contain the Protestant reaction provided he can be reasonably assured that there is no compromise of basic principles. So far as the British Government is... Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Meet with Mayhew and/or Major Friday October 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Loyalist Paramilitary Activity Friday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
FROM: PUS 28 OCTOBER 1993 Copy no 9 of [10] cc. PS/SofS(L) Mr Stephens [1] Mr Thomas [2] Mr Deverell [3] Mr Cooke [4] Mr Rickard [5] Ms Hebdon [6] Mr C Glyn-Jones [7] Mr Beeton [8] Mr May [9] File [10] NOTE FOR THE RECORD CONVERSATION WITH MR JOHN HUME MP Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Line to Take on Meeting Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
2. There were no new developments and we agreed, together with Mr Wood that if any news of the meeting should come out and lead to press inquiries we should say, truthfully, that the discussion had touched on a wide range of matters, did not involve... Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Hume to Confirm No New Text in Hume/Adams Report Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
3. No significant new information emerged. Mr Hume confirmed that what he had said to the Taoiseach yesterday in preparation for the meeting of the Irish Cabinet today was no more that a repetition and continuation of his Joint Declaration initiative.... Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Confirm Next Steps on the Joint Declaration Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I said it was for the Taoiseach to raise, with the Prime Minister if he wished to do so any outcome from todays [sic] Irish Cabinet meeting; otherwise the position was as Mr Hume had heard it from the Prime Minister himself when they last met. I... Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
(ii) all the information available to him indicated that if the Joint Declaration were made in acceptable form, this would bring at once a permanent end to violence. Adams had assured him of this while as a realist he knew that there were likely to be... Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
(iii) he was much cheered by the maturity and positive nature of Mr Martin Smyth's statement the previous evening about the acceptability of Sinn Fein as a partner in a talks process once the violence had ended and there had been a clear demonstration... Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Fallout in the Event of Failure Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Cross-Community Support for Peace Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
US Intervention Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Mr Hume rang me this morning (28 October) and made the following points: Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Mr Hume rang me this morning (28 October) and made the following points: Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
3. John Hume sounded in more buoyant mood than formerly though probably still very tired. A good response to the Tanaiste's speech and a consensual outcome to the Prime Minister's meeting with the Taoiseach are what are in his mind immediately; he... Thursday October 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: This speech was discussed in various committees.] Wednesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Speech by Dick Spring in the Dáil Debate on Northern Ireland (27 October 1993) Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
The principles which the Tanaiste had enunciated reflected the spirit and substance of the Joint Declaration, but in a way which he believed the British Government could easily endorse in terms of their own publicly stated positions; Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
(ii) I said we had been studying the text with keen interest, that there would be a holding line until the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach met tomorrow, but that the speech clearly seemed very helpful and there was no question of rejecting its basic message; Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Irish Contacts with the PIRA Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Patrick Mayhew's Speech to the House of Commons on 25 October 1993 Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Assassination Attempts Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Gerry Adams' Interview with the BBC on Sunday Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Private Conversation between Hume and Mayhew or Major Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Confidentiality Thursday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Possible Speech by Mayhew Thursday October 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
FROM: PS/SECRETARY OF STATE 3 NOVEMBER 1993 Copy no 7 of [9] CC. Michael Ancram [2] PS/PUS(L) [3] Mr Deverell [4] Mr Cooke [5] Mr Rickard [6] Mr Beeton [7] Mr May [8] File [9] MR THOMAS [1] IGC: DISCUSSION OF JOINT DECLARATION INITIATIVE I have... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: John Chilcot attended this meeting.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: Jonathan Stephens attended this meeting.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: Since we do not have a record of the meeting attendees, we have only been able to record those who spoke during the meeting as present (along with Jonathan Stephens, who minuted it). However, it is likely that other officials were... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Continue Work on the Joint Declaration Initiative Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Signed: J A STEPHENS PRIVATE SECRETARY 3 NOVEMBER 1993 Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
3. The Secretary of State said that he was unsighted on recent developments: the last text which he had seen, he knew the Prime Minister had told the Taoiseach was unsaleable. Clearly both Governments had a high responsibility to pursue anything which... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Separate the Joint Declaration Initiative from Hume/Adams Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Mr Spring agreed. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
6. Mrs Geoghegan-Quinn said that Hume was so well respected internationally, that the impression that he had been abandoned by the two Governments would itself create international pressure on the Governments. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
6. [...] They clearly therefore had substantive work to do – not least, those involved needed to persuade colleagues in both Governments that this was a process which should be carried forward. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
7. The Secretary of State said that this process, and the political talks, were complementary rather than rivals. But the political talks process had to bear the burden in public: in any case, Mr Hume had a stake in that as well. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
7. [...] In pursuing the other process, it was important that neither Government crossed the line to the point where unionist confidence would be undermined. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: Quentin Thomas attended this meeting.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
7. [...] Mr Thomas said that it would be difficult to protect Mr Hume if he maintained his dialogue with Adams. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
Reassure Hume in Private to Restrain Him in Public Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
9. The Secretary of State agreed: he and the Prime Minister had already done much to express admiration for Mr Hume's efforts. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference: Plenary Sessions
[Editors' Note: The text in question is JD12; see s21722 and i23832.] 9. [...] It could, however, have come as no surprise to Mr Hume that his efforts had not succeeded so far: when he last met the Prime Minister, it had been made clear that the text... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
From: D E S Blatherwick Date: 10 November 1993 Mr Archer, RID cc. Sir T Daunt Mr Q Thomas, NIO 1. I had lunch today with Martin Mansergh. He launched into the question of a "peace framework". Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
1. I had lunch today with Martin Mansergh. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
1. I had lunch today with Martin Mansergh. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
1. I had lunch today with Martin Mansergh. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Signature] D E S Blatherwick PS: We* subsequently spoke about all this. I suggested that if we could give hedged and general approval to the kind of statement the Irish have in mind in the context of a clear cessation of PIRA violence, we might go... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration Initiative to Smoke Out PIRA and Potentially Secure Peace Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. [...] The Taoiseach did not dismiss the 3-stranded talks, but in his view they were on a longer time scale. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Agree a Joint Declaration by 3 December 1993 Summit Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Negotiate on JD13 Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. [...] The Irish would then seek to recruit Hume, pass the text through their usual contacts to PIRA and ask PIRA to give their general approbation too. If they agreed, then the Taoiseach hoped the text could be "polished up" before the Summit. If... Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Split Hume from Adams Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. Mansergh said that the Irish were not sure whether PIRA genuinely wanted peace, or whether their manoeuvrings with Hume were politically motivated, to win propaganda points. There was evidence both ways. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
PIRA Issues with JD12 Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
7. I said that we remain extremely cautious about the whole concept, and that I could not guess the reception Nally and OhUiginn might get in London. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
So had the implication that anything produced by the two governments would build on Hume-Adams. Mansergh acknowledged these points. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
7. [...] The Taoiseach's public statements about the two government [sic] working on a peace formula, and about a Summit deadline had made things even more difficult for us. [...] Mansergh acknowledged these points. Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: By acknowledging the difficulty the British side had with time pressure, Mansergh implicitly agreed not to press this point.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Although it is not explicitly stated here, it is clear that David Blatherwick saw the advantage of doing this.] Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Draft Framework Paper Wednesday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The Tanaiste rang the Secretary of State about 6.30pm this evening. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The Tanaiste range the Secretary of State about 6.30pm this evening. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The Tanaiste range the Secretary of State about 6.30pm this evening. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
13. Despite the straight talking, there was a friendly tone throughout the conversation and it broke up on amicable terms. Signed: J A STEPHENS PRIVATE SECRETARY 12 NOVEMBER 1993 Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. Mr Spring said that he had received a report of yesterday's Butler/Nally meeting. He was extremely disappointed that it seemed we felt unable to take the Joint Declaration Initiative any further. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. [...] The feeling in Dublin was that we were going back on what had been agreed at Brussels. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. The Secretary of State said that was not the position. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. [...] At yesterday's meeting we had made clear that the publicity given to the Hume/Adams process had created a very different atmosphere in which to pursue any other initiative. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. [...] Nevertheless, it was to misread our position to think that we had said that any such initiative was dead. To the contrary, we had said that we would look carefully at the text discussed yesterday. It represented a serious and substantive... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. [...] That was consistent with what the Prime Minister had said at Brussels. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
7. [...] He made no comment on the insertion of a reference to the constitutional guarantee, but said that Archbishop Eames had given the latest text his clear support. This seemed to reflect a shift in unionist opinion. Eames had never been an ally of... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
4. Mr Spring said that they had indeed tried to accommodate unionist fears. But the suspicion in Dublin was that the British Government's only concern was winning Parliamentary votes. 5. The Secretary of State said that was an unworthy thought: if it... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. The Secretary of State said that was an unworthy thought: if it were true, we would not have played around with the Irish over the various texts. The suggestion was no more justified that if we had said that the Irish Government were rowing back... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
6. The Secretary of State said that we wanted to carry forward any initiative which had prospects of ending the violence, but there was no point in adopting something which simply shifted the seat of violence from one side to another: that would only... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Spring to Affirm His Support for Showing JD13 to Molyneaux Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Confirm Whether JD13 Would Be Acceptable to the PIRA Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Spring to Acknowledge Necessity for Constitutional Guarantee Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
7. Mr Spring said he would be happy for the text to be shown to Mr Molyneaux – indeed, he would do so himself if he could. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
7. [...] As to the Provisional IRA, he naturally did not deal with them himself but he was 90-95% certain they would accept the latest text. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
7. [...] He made no comment on the insertion of a reference to the constitutional guarantee, Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
8. [...] There had been some talk yesterday by Mr O hUiginn of an apocalyptic scenario if we were unable to proceed with the Joint Declaration Initiative. Without prejudice to our eventual judgement, such an outcome had to be avoided since it would do... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
8. [...] We were worried to read suggestions from Dublin that peace had to come before talks. That was a departure from what the Taoiseach had agreed in Brussels and from what he had said recently about resuming the talks process immediately. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
8. [...] We needed a response to the possible framework document handed to the Irish on 24 September: the delay was causing intense frustration. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
9. Mr Spring said that the talks process and the peace process were complementary. The worry in Dublin was that the peace process had been brought to a halt because British policy was unionist-led. There was an enormous feeling throughout the island of... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
11. [...] We were on the brink of a disaster for Anglo-Irish relations. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
12. The Secretary of State said that we agreed the processes were complementary: we had not closed the door on the Joint Declaration Initiative. Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
FROM: J A Dew British Embassy, Dublin DATE: 12 November 1993 cc: Mr Thomas – B Mr Cooke – B HMA Mr Archer – B RID NORTHERN IRELAND: IRISH FRUSTRATION 1. I was sat, not entirely fortuitously I gathered, next to Fergus Finlay at the annual DFA... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
1. I was sat, not entirely fortuitously I gathered, next to Fergus Finlay at the annual DFA dinner for the Diplomatic corps last night. Not an occasion for privacy, his other neighbour a distracting ravissante, we had limited scope for serious... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
1. I was sat, not entirely fortuitously I gathered, next to Fergus Finlay at the annual DFA dinner for the Diplomatic corps last night. Not an occasion for privacy, his other neighbour a distracting ravissante, we had limited scope for serious... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(SIGNED) J A Dew Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
1. I was sat, not entirely fortuitously I gathered, next to Fergus Finlay at the annual DFA dinner for the Diplomatic corps last night. Not an occasion for privacy, his other neighbour a distracting ravissante, we had limited scope for serious... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Spring's US Visit 5. He would accompany Spring to the US next week. The aim was, he said not entirely joking, to "light a bonfire" ie generate renewed US pressure behind the peace process. I urged him not to overdo it, or think it would solve their... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Molyneaux's Position Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
HMG to Put Pressure on Molyneaux to Respond Positively Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Preparations for the Summit 2. The Irish side had been seriously dismayed by the "extremely negative" reaction to their text in London on 10 November. We should be in no doubt about that. A strongly worded letter had gone to the Prime Minister from... Thursday November 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Speech by Dick Spring in the Dáil Debate on Northern Ireland (27 October 1993) Thursday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
NOTE FOR THE RECORD MEETING WITH THE TAOISEACH DUBLIN, 12 NOVEMBER 1993 Mr. Lyne (No.10) and Mr. Blatherwick (HMA, Dublin) met the Taoiseach for about an hour and a quarter on Friday evening, 12 November in his office in Dublin. He was accompanied by... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr. Lyne (No.10) and Mr. Blatherwick (HMA, Dublin) met the Taoiseach for about an hour and a quarter on Friday evening, 12 November in his office in Dublin. He was accompanied by Mr. Martin Mansergh, his Adviser, and Mr. Sean OhUiginn of the DFA. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr. Lyne (No.10) and Mr. Blatherwick (HMA, Dublin) met the Taoiseach for about an hour and a quarter on Friday evening, 12 November in his office in Dublin. He was accompanied by Mr. Martin Mansergh, his Adviser, and Mr. Sean OhUiginn of the DFA. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr. Lyne (No.10) and Mr. Blatherwick (HMA, Dublin) met the Taoiseach for about an hour and a quarter on Friday evening, 12 November in his office in Dublin. He was accompanied by Mr. Martin Mansergh, his Adviser, and Mr. Sean OhUiginn of the DFA. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr. Lyne (No.10) and Mr. Blatherwick (HMA, Dublin) met the Taoiseach for about an hour and a quarter on Friday evening, 12 November in his office in Dublin. He was accompanied by Mr. Martin Mansergh, his Adviser, and Mr. Sean OhUiginn of the DFA. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr. Lyne (No.10) and Mr. Blatherwick (HMA, Dublin) met the Taoiseach for about an hour and a quarter on Friday evening, 12 November in his office in Dublin. He was accompanied by Mr. Martin Mansergh, his Adviser, and Mr. Sean OhUiginn of the DFA. Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
Reply from John Major to Albert Reynolds (12 November 1993) Thursday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This became the most up-to-date version of the draft.] Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
Formatting Changes and Signature Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Some small formatting changes were made to the letter and it was signed by John Major.] Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Roderic Lyne took this letter with him to a meeting with Albert Reynolds, David Blatherwick, Martin Mansergh and Seán Ó hUiginn.] Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Reply from John Major to Albert Reynolds (12 November 1993) Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He had been surprised at the Taoiseach's letter. He had thought the two governments were together, but clearly they had drifted apart. The Irish letter following the meeting in London on 10 November had come as a bombshell. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The meeting ended amicably enough, with the Taoiseach saying how much he admired Unionists and looked forward to reading the Prime Minister's letter. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
A few minutes after the meeting, Mr. Mansergh reported that the Taoiseach had read the Prime Minister's letter and wanted to make one point at once. This was that his letter to the Prime Minister should not be read as a threat to publicise their... Friday November 1993Committee: British Government
Revised Version at 9.00 on 12 November 1993 Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
15 November 1993 f\taoiseach.as Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Butler/Nally Meeting on 10 November 1993 Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD13 Tuesday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister was keen to explore opportunities to end the violence and was not closing doors or rowing back. Ministers were considering the latest Irish text. We wanted to talk to Archbishop Eames. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The talks process and the peace framework were not in competition, but the publicity given the Hume/Adams process had badly queered the pitch and made discussion of a Joint Declaration much more difficult. The Taoiseach pointed out that the two... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Sir Robin Butler had told Mr. Nally on 10 November that the British position had not changed since his visit to Dublin in October: the principle of a declaration was ruled out, not just the text. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Negotiate on JD13 Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr. Lyne said that HMG were getting the message about peace from all sides. The Prime Minister was keen to seize the opportunity and might well appeal to people to do so in his Mansion House speech. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The 10 November meeting had taken place before the Prime Minister had seen the Irish draft. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He had since met several Northern Ireland party leaders and wanted to meet Archbishop Eames. Trust was essential and he wanted to preserve his personal relationship with the Taoiseach. But the problems over a Joint Declaration remained. We had to... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Unionist Attitudes to a Joint Declaration Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Possibility of a Unilateral Irish Statement Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Consider Offering Sinn Féin Entry to Talks in Exchange for a PIRA Cessation Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said vehemently that this meant unconditional surrender for PIRA, which was unrealistic. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
And it was fruitless to hope that PIRA could be persuaded to stop fighting in return for acceptance into a political structure they had rejected: that rejection was their raison d'être. We needed to understand their psychology and ideology. They could... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
They needed some language in addition. Mr. Lyne said that language fully acceptable to HMG was one thing, but we could not accept words which were likely to drive the Unionists over the top. The Taoiseach said that he had made plain through... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
If we failed to act now, the message to PIRA supporters would be that there was no alternative to violence. What would happen if it became known that HMG had rejected a text approved by Mr. Hume, the Irish Government and others? New myths and new... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Use the Joint Declaration to Smoke Out the PIRA Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said several times, emphatically, that he was not interested in traps or hidden agendas. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
His sole interest was peace. There would be no forgiveness if we made people die because of words. Time was of the essence: every day made the task more difficult. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Mr. Mansergh said that PIRA would think long and hard before they rejected the proposal: it would go down badly with their community. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
In reply to Mr. Lyne's comment that the Hume/Adams initiative nevertheless blighted the proposal, the Taoiseach repeated that the two governments could truthfully point out that they had been working on the idea before the Hume/Adams initiative, and... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
PIRA Ceasefire to Precede Joint Declaration Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said with some heat that we could forget the idea: it would not run and he would not fiddle with it. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
If Archbishop Eames said something was okay, it was okay. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He was not prepared to play games. He was in politics to get things done and if that proved impossible he could get out without regret. Over one hour had been spent going round the mulberry bush and all he heard was the negative message as given by Sir... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister had not yet come to a decision, and would need to consult Cabinet colleagues in the next week before doing so. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The officials then went to dinner together for about three hours.] Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: This account of the dinner conversation is taken from David Blatherick's covering letter enclosing his note for the record.] 1. I enclose the promised account of Friday's meeting (I have not copied it: if you are content, could you... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The officials were at dinner together for about three hours.] Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
– my attempts to suggest that, especially as a result of Hume/Adams, there were real difficulties over the JDI were the evasions to be expected from a diplomat, and merely confirmed the line taken by Sir Robin Butler. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Concern Over Indirect Negotiation with PIRA Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Accusations of Hostile Press Briefings Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
This was accompanied by a fair amount of recrimination about our alleged hostile briefing of the press, and denials that anything had been said or done on the Irish side which departed from the Brussels position. Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
OhUiginn delivered ponderous and theological lectures about nationalist philosophy (and our inability to understand it) at intervals during the evening, beginning in the Taoiseach's office. A more revealing line from OhUiginn, uttered with even greater... Friday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: Since Roderic Lyne's four remaining points focus on the Brussels joint statement and on alleged press briefings in a manner not reflected in David Blatherwick's minute of the earlier meeting, the editors have tentatively inferred that... Friday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a first-hand account of the meeting between Jim Molyneaux and Robin Eames. This account of the meeting is taken from the minute of a meeting between Robin Eames and Patrick Mayhew on 20 November 1993.] 2. The Archbishop... Friday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
2. The Archbishop had seen Jim Molyneaux the previous day. Friday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
CONVERSATION WITH ARCHBISHOP EAMES: 20 NOVEMBER 1993 I spoke to Dr Eames in the afternoon of Saturday 20 November. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Report of a Meeting between Eames and Molyneaux on 19 November 1993 Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I spoke to Dr Eames in the afternoon of Saturday 20 November. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I spoke to Dr Eames in the afternoon of Saturday 20 November. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
PM 22 November 1993 Saturday November 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach and the Prime Minister then agreed that Sir Robin Butler and Dermot Nally should hold an early meeting to go through the text in detail. He and the Taoiseach would then take stock in Brussels. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD14 Friday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Mayhew to Reassure Molyneaux on Points Surrounding Eames' Involvement in the Process Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I undertook to pass these messages on. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
6. The Archbishop said he had suggested to Molyneaux that he should speak to me. Molyneaux had asked "would that be welcomed". Dr Eames had said he was sure it would be. Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Mayhew to Reassure Molyneaux of His Importance to the Government Saturday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This point was implicitly accepted by Mayhew.] Saturday November 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 2(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD14 Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD14 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 2(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 2(4) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government Amendment to 2(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 2(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 2(4) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 5(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 5(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 5(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Addition to 5 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Addition to 5 Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Addition to 5 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 5(2) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 5(2) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 5(2) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government Amendment to 7(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 7(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 7(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(4) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(5) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(5) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(5) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government Amendment to 7(1): Wording Change Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 7(1): Wording Change Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 7(1): Wording Change Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 7(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 7(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 7(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Addition to 7 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Addition to 7 Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Addition to 7 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 9(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 9(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Deletion of 10 and 11 and Addition of New 10 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Deletion of 10 and 11 and Addition of New 10 Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Deletion of 10 and 11 and Addition of New 10 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(6) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(6) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(6) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD14B Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas, HM Ambassador Dublin and I had a meeting today with Messrs Nally, Dorr, O'hUiggin [sic] and Mansergh to carry forward the work on the Joint Declaration, following your meeting with the Taoiseach in Dublin on Friday. Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Mr Chilcot, Mr Thomas, HM Ambassador Dublin and I had a meeting today with Messrs Nally, Dorr, O'hUiggin [sic] and Mansergh to carry forward the work on the Joint Declaration, following your meeting with the Taoiseach in Dublin on Friday. Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
Addition to Paragraph 6 Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
FROM: C G MACCABE POLITICAL AFFAIRS DIVISION 30 November 1993 COPY NO [ ] OF 12 COPIES cc PS/Secretary of State (B&L) – M [2&3] PS/Michael Ancram (B&L) – M [4&5] PS/PUS (L) – M [6] PS/Mr Fell [7] Mr Deverell [8] Mr Cooke – M [9] Mr Rickard [10] Mr... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
On your instructions, I called with Archbishop Eames in Armagh at noon today. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
On your instructions, I called with Archbishop Eames in Armagh at noon today. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This extract is taken from a record of a bilateral meeting between Chris Maccabe and Robin Eames on 30 November 1993.] On your instructions, I called with Archbishop Eames in Armagh at noon today. I showed him a copy of the British... Tuesday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Unionist Pressure on Molyneaux Friday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Irish Press Leak Friday November 1993Committee: Irish Government
Letter from Albert Reynolds to John Major (6 December 1993) Monday December 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
3. [...] He wanted "to ponder" replying to the letter. Friday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
4. [...] But he could not possibly provide an alternative text in present circumstances. Friday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: There is some confusion over the claim that Molyneaux had only been shown paragraphs 9-12, since, during a previous bilateral meeting with Eames to discuss JD14, Molyneaux had suggested an amendment to paragraph 7 (e1071674) as well as... Friday November 1993Committee: Eames-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The account of the meeting ends here.] Friday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: Alternative British Draft Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
In doing so, I explained that in this form, and although it contained a lot of their language, it was unacceptable to the Irish Government. I added, however, that in the light of further current dialogue in London and Dublin, some modification may... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Seriousness of British Government Approach to the Initiative Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Necessity of Keeping the Unionist Majority Online Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He said he was glad to hear this as community contacts during and since the weekend had shown him once again just how fragile and nervous Unionist opinion was. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
3. The Archbishop's first remark after reading the Joint Statement was that it was satisfactory from a Unionist point of view. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Upcoming Meeting between Reynolds and Eames Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
While he (Eames) was generally satisfied with the document, and in the present circumstances could not argue that it should be any greener, he said he was afraid that no-one but the most careful reader would see anything new in it. From a Nationalist... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
4. I reminded the Archbishop what I had said at the beginning of our conversation about HMG's commitment and that the Irish had seen a copy of the document and were, to put it mildly, unimpressed. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
4. I reminded the Archbishop what I had said at the beginning of our conversation about HMG's commitment and that the Irish had seen a copy of the document and were, to put it mildly, unimpressed. I did not say to whom it had been shown: he suggested... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Wait for Reynolds' Response to Alternative Draft Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He said he would do this. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He said he would also reflect on the document's contents overnight (I had taken it back but he said he could rely on his memory and some notes he had taken) and would probably conclude it was more novel than he had thought. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Convey the Seriousness of the British Government's Approach to the Initiative Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
In any case he intended to impress on Mr Reynolds that he thought it was a sincere attempt by HMG to be as constructive as possible. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames' Amendment to Clarify 'Talks' Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
As drafted, and notwithstanding that it came from the joint statement of 29 October, he thought it could be mistaken for talks between the two Governments, or worse, Hume/Adams (a strained construction I must say). Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He also said the "constructive ambiguity" about self-determination at the end of paragraph 2(c) of the constitutional annex was probably the most contentious passage. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Christopher Maccabe. C G MACCABE SH EXT 27085 Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA From the Private Secretary 30 November 1993 Dear Jonathan, TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH ARCHBISHOP EAMES Archbishop Eames telephoned on the afternoon of 30 November. We had a guarded conversation in preparation for... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames telephoned on the afternoon of 30 November. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames telephoned on the afternoon of 30 November. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames wanted to check one particular point. He had heard that some changes might have been made over the past day to the document (viz: the British draft Joint Declaration) which we had passed to him. I said that, to my knowledge, we had had no... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Tension in British-Irish Relations Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Attempt to Reconcile the Irish government to the British government Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Emphasise the Necessity of Distancing the Process from Hume/Adams Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He agreed that this was essential. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Be Frank about Unionist Concerns Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames indicated that he did not feel that the Irish understood the Unionists well. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames to Report back on His Meeting with Reynolds Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Eames said that he would let us know how he got on tomorrow. Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I am sending copies of this letter to John Sawers (FCO) and to Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). yours ever, Roderic. RODERIC LYNE Jonathan Stephens Esq Northern Ireland Office Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This proposal was implicitly accepted.] Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Covering Secret and Personal Desk Immediate – Please Mufax: cc: Copy No: PS/SofS (B) – M 1 of 12 PS/Michael Ancram (L+B) – M 2+3 of 12 PS/PUS (L) 4 of 12 PS/Mr Fell – M 5 of 12 Mr Thomas 6 of 12 Mr Deverell – M 7 of 12 Mr Williams – M 8 of 12 Mr... Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames telephoned me on the morning of 1 December. Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Archbishop Eames telephoned me on the morning of 1 December. Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He had spent 90 minutes with the Taoiseach. Reynolds had been adamant that the British draft joint statement was a non-starter. Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He had also insisted that the Joint Declaration had to include the proposal for an Irish Convention. Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
With that proviso, he was prepared to import some of the language of our draft into his text. He had said that if, nevertheless, we tried to push our document, the summit would not be fruitful. Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He was, of course, prepared to adjust phrases in his paper. Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Leaks Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Reverting to the Convention, Eames said Reynolds was convinced that the Convention proposal would have an important impact on PIRA. Eames had advised Reynolds that even moderate Unionists would be opposed to the Convention. They would see it as an idea... Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I told Eames that I expected the Prime Minister to stand firmly against the Convention. We shared his impression that it would arouse deep suspicion among Unionists, especially after the Irish leak. Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Comment on Meeting with Reynolds Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Major to Quote Eames' Views to Reynolds Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Robin Eames' Position as Outlined for Quotation to Albert Reynolds Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Finally, Eames commented that Reynolds was very keen to make progress, but not entirely convinced that the same applied to us. Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
In conversation later in the day, Martin Mansergh made an unsolicited comment on the meeting with Eames. Mansergh said that it had gone very well. Eames was prepared to be as helpful as possible. Eames had also voiced the suspicion that Jim Molyneaux... Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: At this point the account of the meeting ends.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Comment Could you please integrate the approved description of Eames' position given above into your briefing for the Prime Minister's talks with the Taoiseach on Friday? Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a first-hand account of the meeting between Robin Eames and Albert Reynolds. We have report of Eames' meeting with Reynolds as made by Eames to Roderic Lyne over the phone later that day. The description text for this... Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Eames Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The revised version of the declaration (JD14) that was handed over to the British government by Archbishop Eames on 18 November 1993 also included an amendment to paragraph 6. This went unremarked on by Eames and seems not to have been... Tuesday November 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA From the Private Secretary 7 December 1993 Dear Jonathan, ARCHBISHOP EAMES Distribution of this letter should be strictly limited. Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
At the Prime Minister's request, I had a word with Archbishop Eames on the telephone on 7 December (following a supportive personal letter which he sent the Prime Minister just before the Dublin Summit). Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
At the Prime Minister's request, I had a word with Archbishop Eames on the telephone on 7 December (following a supportive personal letter which he sent the Prime Minsiter just before the Dublin Summit). Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Report on Joint Declaration Discussions with the Irish Government Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Yet again, we face the problem of widely differing accounts of a meeting between Eames and Reynolds. But it is helpful that Eames has explicitly allowed us to say that he is opposed to the Convention. It is hard to tell whether Reynolds was merely... Wednesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Continue to Argue for the Removal of a Convention Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I said that we took a similar view, but did not know yet for certain whether the Taoiseach would now accept that the relevant paragraphs had to be deleted from the text. Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
Irish Government Involvement in PIRA/Loyalist Paramilitary Contacts Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I am copying this letter to Stephen Smith (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and to Sir Robin Butler. yours ever, Roderic RODERIC LYNE Jonathan Stephens Esq Foreign and Commonwealth Office Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
He was grateful, especially as he has received yet another invitation to see the Taoiseach. I said that, on this occasion, I hoped that he would find that we and the Irish Government were singing much the same tune. Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
FROM: PS/SECRETARY OF STATE 7 December 1993 Copy of 13 cc PS/SofS [2&3] (B&L) – B PS/Michael Ancram [4&5] (B&L) – B PS/PUS [6&7] (B&L) – B PS/Mr Fell [8] – B Mr Thomas [9] – B Mr Deverell [10] – B Mr Williams [11] – B Mr Maccabe [12] – B Mr Beeton... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
John Hume called, at his own request, on the Secretary of State on the evening of Thursday 2 December. Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
John Hume called, at his own request, on the Secretary of State on the evening of Thursday 2 December. Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD7 Friday July 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Simultaneous Referendums North and South Friday July 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Anglo-Irish Summit Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
He said that the original document he had presented in June sought to provide a basis on which violence could be brought to an end, without sacrificing any essential principles. The key point was to adopt republican language on the right of self... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Alternative British Draft of the Joint Declaration Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
His own opinion was that the idea of joint referenda would ultimately be acceptable to PIRA, although they might not accept it in the first instance. Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Unionist Position Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
4. The Secretary of State said that the British Government were serious about achieving an end to violence. But it would not be durable unless it were acceptable to both communities in Northern Ireland. It was absolutely fundamental that the... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Having said that, the British Government had no problems with the idea of separate and concurrent referenda. Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
(i) while he could not say that Adams had accepted the separate consent of the North in a dual referendum or otherwise in explicit language he believed it entirely possible that the Provisionals could be brought to accept it. He understood very well it... Tuesday October 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Contacts with PIRA Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
7. Turning to the next day's summit, the Secretary of State said that expectations had been over hyped. The British position was that, if peace could be attained on proper terms, we did not care about the route by which it was attained. We had to be... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Signed JONATHAN STEPHENS Private Secretary Thursday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
All Amendments ad Referendum Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
It was agreed at the outset that all amendments to the text were ad referendum to you and the Taoiseach. Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Contacts with Reverend Magee Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
GENERATION § "Beginning now and..." if talks, too long if until, too worrying/[?] which? Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
The PUS has asked me to put a couple of points to you to be added to the brief which you circulated on 22 August. Tuesday August 1989Committee: British Government
SECRET AND PERSONAL Copy - - of 11 From PUS 5 March 1990 Mr Burns [1] cc SofS (L&B) [2&3] Mr Ledlie [4] Mr Deverell [5] Mr Daniell [6] Mr J McConnell [7] Discussion with Father Reid Monday March 1990Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text _between underscores_ has been underlined.] *_FERB_ central to pm... _leave_ to take his mind. (If §2 amended) Para 4. Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. _The Prime Minister[, on behalf of the British Government, reaffirms Northern... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 4(1) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] _Conclude_ in §2, or §4. Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
MM if §4, come back with more thoughts. FERB. if at beginning of §4 " Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(3) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. [...] The role of the British Government will be to encourage, assist and enable -_the... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] _MM_ This is central bit for SF. _We_ state general principle, then load it with words... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to 4(5) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] _MM soup_ establish self-det as pre-existing not derived Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Irish Government Amendment to 4(5) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. [...] The British Government agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 4. [...] The British Government agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out, text _between underscores_ has been underlined, and text {in curly brackets} has been added in pen.] 5. The Taoiseach, on behalf of the Irish Government, considers that the lessons of Irish... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Alternative Irish Government Addition to 7 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out and text _between underscores_ has been underlined.] _QJT_ matter of change not specified (cf Irish Press paper) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Alternative Irish Government Addition to 7 Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
3. Continuing, Mr Hume said that he was hoping to see Mr Haughey next week and would recommend acceptance of this proposal. It would be a private meeting conducted on the basis of complete confidentiality. Wednesday December 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Proposal for meeting with Sinn Féin at Hume's home Wednesday December 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Hume to discuss the strategy with the leader of the opposition Wednesday December 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
The Secretary of State took note. [...] 8 Although the Secretary of State gave no commitment on the question of a meeting with the Provisionals, Mr Hume is likely to return to this proposal. Wednesday December 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Update on Redemptorist activity Wednesday December 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Use of 'human bombs' by the PIRA Wednesday December 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
Mr Hume said that he had raised this with Mr Adams, expressing his revulsion at the depths to which the Provisionals had sunk. Mr Adams' reply was that he (Mr Hume) would be surprised at how many in the Republican movement also thought that. Wednesday December 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
7. The remainder of the discussion with Mr Hume has been recorded separately, but in relation to Mr Adams' response to the Secretary of State's 9 November speech Mr Hume had said to Mr Adams that, if the latter wanted to respond, he should send a copy... Wednesday December 1990Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
8. Although the Secretary of State gave no commitment on the question of a meeting with the Provisionals, Mr Hume is likely to return to this proposal. Once you have had an opportunity to consider the matter (and perhaps look at the 1970s papers?), the... Wednesday December 1990Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 9(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Hume-Adams
Adams feedback directly to the British on the Whitbread speech Wednesday November 1990Committee: Hume-Adams
This Mr Adams has done. Wednesday November 1990Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Additional Paragraph Tuesday December 1993Committee: Hume-Adams
Revulsion at the use of 'human bombs' Wednesday November 1990Committee: Hume-Adams
Mr Adams' reply was that he (Mr Hume) would be surprised at how many in the Republican movement also thought that. Wednesday November 1990Committee: Hume-Adams
[Editors' Note: The details of this meeting between Hume and Adams are constructed from two accounts given by John Hume, one to Dermot Gallagher, and one to the Secretary of State, Peter Brooke.] Wednesday November 1990Committee: British Government
Following the Taoiseach's telephone call to the Prime Minister on Saturday 5 June, I went to Dublin this evening and met the Taoiseach at Baldonnell air base. The Taoiseach had broken his holiday in the west of Ireland – it was a holiday weekend in... Sunday June 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[...] Molyneaux The Prime Minister spoke to Mr. Molyneaux to follow up your Secretary of State's conversation with him on the previous day. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister spoke to Mr. Molyneaux to follow up your Secretary of State's conversation with him on the previous day. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mr. Molyneaux seemed relatively relaxed about this, He said that he had not seen or heard of the article. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Let Major Know if Stories Caused Concern Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This point was implicitly accepted by Molyneaux as the discussion moved on.] Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This point was implicitly accepted by Major as the discussion moved on.] Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Mr Molyneaux said that he had already reported what he had heard about this to your Secretary of State - that the document had been dated 2 November, was intended for delivery in the 3 November IGC, and had been suppressed by the Taoiseach. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister said that he had made it very clear that the outcome of the Hume/Adams dialogue would not provide an acceptable basis. He regretted that not everyone had yet grasped this point. Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Molyneaux and Major met again on 24 November 1993.] Sunday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
The Prime Minister, accompanied by Mr Michael Ancram, M.P. met Mr James Molyneaux for nearly an hour from 1020 p.m. on 29 November at the House of Commons. Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
He and Mr Molyneaux agreed that there was a risk of the IRA announcing a ceasefire which could be extended if their conditions were accepted. Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Molyneaux's comments were noted.] Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux to Meet with Ancram and British Government to Consider Documents Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
After some discussion of the Joint Declaration, Mr Molyneaux agreed to have a meeting at 1030 a.m. on the morning of 30 November with Mr Ancram and me to take a closer look at the Joint Declaration, in conjunction with the British draft Joint Statement... Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
After some discussion of the Joint Declaration, Mr Molyneaux agreed to have a meeting at 1030 a.m. on the morning of 30 November with Mr Ancram and me to take a closer look at the Joint Declaration, in conjunction with the British draft Joint Statement... Monday November 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Jim Molyneaux was the only permanent member of this committee.] Monday November 1993Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
I [Editors' Note: Ian Burns] handed to the Secretary of State last week some papers which John Hume had given me Wednesday December 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: John Hume was the only permanent member of this committee.] Wednesday December 1989Committee: British-Hume Bilaterals
When I [Editors' Note: Ian Burns] saw John Hume on Monday 30 April, Monday April 1990Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The conclusions of the meeting were reported back to their respective delegations.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The conclusions of the meeting were reported back to their respective delegations.] Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD15 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD15 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD15 Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 4(1) Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 4(1) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 4(1) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
- there had been a further meeting in Dublin this morning with the clergyman who was in touch with the Loyalist paramilitaries (presumably a reference to Father Magee). Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The only record we have of this meeting is the account Martin Mansergh gave to Roderic Lyne.] - there had been a further meeting in Dublin this morning with the clergyman who was in touch with the Loyalist paramilitaries (presumably a... Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
- there had been a further meeting in Dublin this morning with the clergyman who was in touch with the Loyalist paramilitaries (presumably a reference to Father Magee). Wednesday December 1993Committee: Magee-Loyalist Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Reverend Roy Magee passed this document to Martin Mansergh on 8 December 1993.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Loyalist List of Rights and Principles Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
He had laid down the basic rights for which the Loyalists demanded respect. These were unexceptionable. He had also sought assurances, on behalf of the Loyalists, that the Irish government would not seek to pre-determine the outcome of future political... Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
British Contacts with the PIRA Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Magee Bilaterals
Mansergh's interpretation of the questions relayed by Magee was that the Loyalist politicians were stoking up alarm among their own people, and that the paramilitaries wanted to know whether this was justified; Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Loyalist List of Rights and Principles Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
8 December 1993 From the Private Secretary {Dear Jonathan,} JOINT DECLARATION: CONVERSATION WITH MARTIN MANSERGH Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
As anticipated in the Cabinet Secretary's minute of 7 December, Martin Mansergh telephoned me today. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
As anticipated in the Cabinet Secretary's minute of 7 December, Martin Mansergh telephoned me today. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
As anticipated in the Cabinet Secretary's minute of 7 December, Martin Mansergh telephoned me today. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He passed on the following: - the Taoiseach could live with the compromises in the revised text if the Prime Minister could do likewise. This, of course, was not to say that the text was ideal from the Taoiseach's point of view; Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Constitutional Guarantee in Second Paragraph Wednesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
5. [...] We suggested, and the Irish officials agreed, that in either case both sides should play down the Brussels meeting. We do not think that the best result would be achieved by issuing the Joint Declaration in Brussels or by allowing that meeting... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Timing of a Meeting to Issue the Joint Declaration Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The Irish Government said that they would take the mind of the Taoiseach on that. Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Timing of a Meeting to Issue the Joint Declaration Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Alternative Announcement of Irish Convention Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. On the four principal points raised by the Taoiseach at the end of the Dublin discussion: [...] – On the Convention, the Taoiseach's letter insists, and the Irish officials were under instructions, that the Convention is essential to the prospects... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Text -between hyphens- has been struck out and text _between underscores_ has been underlined.] _MM_ Much better in §2. Psychological [?] in §4, [?] to Provos. Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Alternative Announcement of Irish Convention Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Alternative Announcement of Irish Convention Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Alternative Announcement of Irish Convention Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Amendment to Alternative Announcement of Irish Convention Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Amendment to Alternative Announcement of Irish Convention Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Roderic Lyne's Amendment to the Irish Amendment to Alternative Announcement of Irish Convention Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mansergh saw the difficulty. He thought it should be possible to find some middle way. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Meet on Tuesday 14 December 1993 Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
- the Irish would probably wish to make a small variation to the agreed scenario on the Irish Convention. (This, of course, was a point outside the revised text.) For domestic political reasons, they would not wish it to appear that they were... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
- on the timing of the meeting to launch the Joint Declaration, Mansergh said that the Irish preference was now to look for a date early next week. This was because of their concern that delay would leave the deal vulnerable to external pressures. He... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
- on the timing of the meeting to launch the Joint Declaration, Mansergh said that the Irish preference was now to look for a date early next week. This was because of their concern that delay would leave the deal vulnerable to external pressures. He... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Timing of a Meeting to Issue the Joint Declaration Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said that we had yet to carry forward our own debate on timing. (Comment: the Irish suggestion might be possible in terms of the Prime Minister's diary, though we would have to rearrange his weekly Audience.) Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Notification of Further British Amendments Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Report on a Meeting between Martin Mansergh and Roy Magee Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Notification of a Meeting between Albert Reynolds, John Hume and Seamus Mallon Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Meeting between John Major and John Hume Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Ask John Hume to Stop Attacking the Proposal for a Select Committee Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mansergh agreed. He said we would have noted that the Irish government had been silent on this subject of late. He saw a parallel between unilateral action by us on the Select Committee and by the Irish on their convention. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Confidentiality Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I am copying this letter to John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office), John Pitt-Brooke (Ministry of Defence), David Blatherwick (Dublin - by fax) and to Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). {yours ever, Roderic} RODERIC LYNE Jonathan Stephens,... Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Timing of a Meeting to Issue the Joint Declaration Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment was signalled to Martin Mansergh on 8 December 1993 during a telephone call with Roderic Lyne.] - as we agreed, I warned Mansergh that we would probably have a few changes to suggest once Ministers had looked at the text... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Notice of a New Irish Government Final Paragraph Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Addition to 3 Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 12(5) Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(2/3) Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said that we would look at their words; Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Addition to 3 Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
- on paragraph 4, I said that I could not forecast at this stage whether or not we would be able to meet the Irish wish to move the constitutional guarantee to paragraph 2, though I noted that this was a strong request from the Taoiseach. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
- [...] However, if the change was made, we would need to propose some readjustment to the beginning of the paragraph. It would not be right for it to go straight into the "Brooke formula" without an opening sentence which would seem more positive to... Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This meeting was an informal discussion, so none of the decisions on the amendments were binding.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
- [...] He saw no difficulty over inserting "the island of" before Ireland in paragraph 3; Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(6/7) Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 7(8) Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment was signalled to Martin Mansergh on 8 December 1993 during a telephone call with Roderic Lyne.] - also in paragraph 4, I warned that we were likely to want to remove the reference to a "sovereign united Ireland" in the... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
- [...] Mansergh said that this was language from the Anglo-Irish agreement. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
- [...] I did not comment further. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: This meeting was an informal discussion, so none of the decisions on the amendments were binding.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
ANNEX A Possible Amendments to JD.15 1. Paragraph 3, line 3, after "of" insert "the island of". Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: These amendments were recommended to the Ministerial meeting in Patrick Mayhew's minute of 8 December 1993.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Possible Amendments to JD.15 [...] 3. Paragraph 4, line 16 delete "including a sovereign united Ireland". Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(6/7): Word Reordering Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Possible Amendments to JD.15 [...] 4. Paragraph 4, line 20 on next page after "a" insert "sovereign". Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Possible Amendments to JD.15 [...] Paragraph 4, line 23 after "or" insert "equally". Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
Possible Amendments to JD.15 [...] 4. [sic] Paragraph 12, penultimate line after "made" [sic] insert "their own". Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment was not proposed in the minute.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This suggestion was incorporated into a revised opening to paragraph 4.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA From the Private Secretary 9 December 1993 {Dear Jonathan,} NORTHERN IRELAND: JOINT DECLARATION This letter should be distributed on a strict need to know basis. The Prime Minister held a meeting from 0900-1045... Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
In addition to the Prime Minister, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, the Foreign Secretary, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Home Secretary, Mr. Michael Ancram, M.P., the Cabinet Secretary, John Chilcot, Quentin Thomas, and you were... Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Update on a Meeting between Michael Ancram and Jim Molyneaux Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Update on Progress in Negotiations Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
These negotiations had produced the amended draft (JD15) which was before the meeting. The draft was ad referendum to Ministers. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
We had received the Taoiseach's comments (my letter of 8 December to you, reporting a telephone conversation with Martin Mansergh). Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Sir Patrick Mayhew said that the Irish case was that PIRA were on the brink of a cessation of violence. We could not make concessions of substance or principle. However, if it was a question of language and not substance, Unionists were likely to... Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Additional Wording in British Government Amendment to 4(1) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment was not proposed.] Wednesday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Further British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The meeting then considered the revised draft sentence by sentence. A number of amendments were agreed, and have been inserted by you into the text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Sentences for Inclusion in Peroration Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
The amended text was approved by the meeting. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Proceed with the Joint Declaration if Amendments Accepted Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
It was agreed that the Government should proceed with the Joint Declaration if the amendments were accepted by the Irish Government. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Continue to Push Talks Process Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
In so doing, the Government should emphasise that it would continue also to pursue vigorously the complementary process of political talks involving the constitutional parties. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
A reference to the three-strand talks would be proposed to the Irish as part of a new paragraph at the end of the existing text. Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
I am sending copies of this letter to John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office), Jeremy Heywood (H.M. Treasury), John Pitt-Brooke (Ministry of Defence), Joan MacNaughton (Home Office), Juliet Wheldon (Law Officers Department) and Melanie Leech... Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
NIO to Prepare Explanatory Material Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
In further discussion, the following points were made: - the Northern Ireland Office would prepare explanatory material on the text for use with and by Ministers and Government representatives at the time the Joint Declaration was launched. Points in... Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Major to Meet Molyneaux Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
In further discussion, the following points were made: [...] - the Prime Minister would hold a meeting later in the day with Mr. James Molyneaux, to take further soundings on the likely attitude of mainstream Unionists; Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
NIO to Advise on Scheduling Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
In further discussion, the following points were made: [...] - the timing of the third meeting with the Taoiseach to launch the Joint Declaration needed further consideration, which would take account of the Parliamentary timetable. The NIO would... Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
NIO to Consult and Garner Support Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
In further discussion, the following points were made: [...] - at the time of publication, it would be important to maximise public support for the Joint Declaration in Britain and Northern Ireland. We would need a plan of action for consultation... Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
NIO to Develop Contingency Position Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
In further discussion, the following points were made: [...] - the NIO would also develop a contingency position to be immediately available to Ministers should PIRA reject the Joint Declaration; Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Major and Mayhew to Report to Cabinet Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
In further discussion, the following points were made: [...] - your Secretary of State and the Prime Minister would give a general account of the state of play to Cabinet. Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a direct record of this 'non-talk'. However, it is referred to in Robin Butler's record of his meeting with Martin Mansergh later in the same day (below) during which Molyneaux's amendments, along with those made during... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a direct record of this 'non-talk'. However, it is referred to in Robin Butler's record of his meeting with Martin Mansergh later in the same day (below) during which Molyneaux's amendments, along with those made during... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a direct record of this 'non-talk'. However, it is referred to in Robin Butler's record of his meeting with Martin Mansergh later in the same day (below) during which Molyneaux's amendments, along with those made during... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD15 Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux's Amendment to the British Government Amendment to 4(1) Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'Assist' from 4 Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
4. [...] The role of the British Government will be to encourage, {[} assist,{]} and enable the achievement of such agreement over a period through a process of dialogue and co-operation based on full respect for the rights and identities of both... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[M – 'Convention' easier if called 'Forum'] Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: These amendments were reported back to the British government.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: These amendments were reported back to the British government.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The amendments proposed by Jim Molyneaux during a 'non-meeting' with Michael Ancram were incorporated into the version of the document proposed by the British government.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Put the Amendments to the Irish Government Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
I spoke to Martin Mansergh this evening and gave him our amendments as indicated on the attached text. These include the amendments agreed by Ministers this morning, plus two emerging from Michael Ancram's non-talk with James Molyneaux (which I have... Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
SECRET Ref AO93/3664 MR LYNE ___________ Joint Declaration: Conversation with Martin Mansergh Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I spoke to Martin Mansergh this evening Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I spoke to Martin Mansergh this evening Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I spoke to Martin Mansergh this evening Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
7. I am copying this minute and the attachment to John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Jonathan Stephens (Northern Ireland Office). {FERB} ROBIN BUTLER 9 December 1993 Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I spoke to Martin Mansergh this evening and gave him our amendments as indicated on the attached text. These include the amendments agreed by Ministers this morning, plus two emerging from Michael Ancram's non-talk with James Molyneaux (which I have... Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
x Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Molyneaux's Amendment to the British Government Amendment to 4(1) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'Assist' from 4 Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Addition to 3 Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'Assist' from 4 Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Further British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 12(5) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 12(1) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 12(3) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 12(4) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Inclusion of the Magee List Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Second Irish Government Amendment to the Magee List Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: As is clear from the extract cited below, Mansergh intended to put the list to Robin Butler on 9 December 1993. It therefore seems likely that the two Irish government amendments to the text had already been made by this point, although... Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
First Irish Government Amendment to the Magee List Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: As is clear from the extract cited below, Mansergh intended to put the list to Robin Butler on 9 December 1993. It therefore seems likely that the two Irish government amendments to the text had already been made by this point, although... Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
New Final Paragraph Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Third Irish Government Amendment to the Magee List Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: As is clear from the extract cited below, Mansergh intended to put the list to Robin Butler on 9 December 1993. It therefore seems likely that the two Irish government amendments to the text had already been made by this point, although... Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: As is clear from the extract cited below, Mansergh intended to put the list to Robin Butler on 9 December 1993. It therefore seems likely that the two Irish government amendments to the text had already been made by this point, although... Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Mansergh gave me the further Irish amendments (which I have marked E on the attached text). Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Mansergh gave me the further Irish amendments (which I have marked E on the attached text). Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Mansergh gave me the further Irish amendments (which I have marked E on the attached text). Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Mansergh gave me the further Irish amendments (which I have marked E on the attached text). Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to 12(1) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Notice of Inclusion of the Magee List Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to 12(3) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to 12(4) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
New Final Paragraph Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. As regards the Irish amendments:- i. the amendment to para 5 arises from discussion with the Unionist clergyman (presumably Magee) who had suggested a list of fundamental rights familiar to the Protestant community, which might appeal to those in... Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. As regards the Irish amendments:- [...] ii. the amendments to para 10 were designed, according to Mansergh, not to brand the IRA too starkly as the only people giving up violence. Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Second Irish Government Amendment to 12(3) Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
2. The conversation was very friendly throughout, and Mansergh purported not to see any difficulty about most of our amendments, though saying that he was speaking ad referendum to the Taoiseach. He said that he would need to look closely at the... Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. As regards the Irish amendments:- [...] ii. [...] Mansergh suggested dropping "in due course" in the third sentence but, when I said that this would not be acceptable, he did not press the idea. Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
3. As regards the Irish amendments:- [...] iii. Mansergh dictated a new final paragraph, which incorporates the idea of talks and which I have added to the version below. I am arranging for the Northern Ireland Office to give you advice on the... Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
Rename Convention to Forum Thursday December 1993Committee: British-Molyneaux Bilaterals
[M – 'Convention' easier if called 'Forum'] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Rename Convention to Forum Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
4. I passed on to Mansergh the remark made by Mr Molyneaux to Mr Ancram that the Convention might be more acceptable if it were re-titled a "Forum". Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Rename Convention to Forum Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
4. [...] Mansergh, after expressing his astonishment, wondered whether we would then talk about "convening" or "re-convening" a forum. I said that the former would be safer. Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
4. [...] Mansergh thought that the Irish might have no difficulty about the word "Forum". Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Possible Meeting on Thursday Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. [...] He suggested that the issue would depend on whether the Irish soundings indicated that a slightly longer period of preparation would increase the chances of a cessation of violence. Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. [...] I said that we had a terrible Parliamentary week next week but the Prime Minister still had an open mind both about timing in the week and between morning and afternoon. Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. [...] This should be discussed between the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach tomorrow, as should the timing of the Irish Government's announcement of a Convention (or Forum): his remarks suggested that we should open the bidding by asking for quite a... Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I sounded a warning note on the latter detail. If the Irish put forward their idea as soon as the Joint Declaration was published, I feared that the Unionists might see it as trickery. Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
It was agreed that this scenario needed further discussion, possibly on Friday; Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. [...] This should be discussed between the Prime Minister and the Taoiseach tomorrow, as should the timing of the Irish Government's announcement of a Convention (or Forum): his remarks suggested that we should open the bidding by asking for quite a... Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Report to the Dáil Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
5. [...] Mansergh said that the Irish were thinking of leaving three or four days before the Taoiseach reported to the Dail, which he might leave until Tuesday 21 December. Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Report on Irish Bilateral with John Hume Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
6. Finally, Mansergh said that the Irish had had a talk with Hume, which had gone very well, and they thought that there was a good prospect that Hume would be supportive. All in all, Mansergh sounded pretty chirpy. Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a direct record of this meeting. Martin Mansergh gave notice of the meeting to Roderic Lyne, and a brief report of it to Robin Butler.] - Mansergh said that on the afternoon of 8 December the Taoiseach would be seeing... Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a direct record of this meeting. Martin Mansergh gave notice of the meeting to Roderic Lyne, and a brief report of it to Robin Butler.] - Mansergh said that on the afternoon of 8 December the Taoiseach would be seeing... Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a direct record of this meeting. Martin Mansergh gave notice of the meeting to Roderic Lyne, and a brief report of it to Robin Butler.] - Mansergh said that on the afternoon of 8 December the Taoiseach would be seeing... Wednesday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not have a direct record of this meeting. Martin Mansergh gave notice of the meeting to Roderic Lyne, and a brief report of it to Robin Butler.] - Mansergh said that on the afternoon of 8 December the Taoiseach would be seeing... Wednesday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Motion to Report Amendments Back Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The amendments given notice of during the meeting were reported back to the Irish and British governments respectively.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government Amendment to 12(1) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government Amendment to 12(3) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government Amendment to 12(4) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
New Final Paragraph Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: During the bilateral discussion between Robin Butler and Martin Mansergh on 9 December 1993, Butler signalled the British government's provisional acceptance of including the constitutional guarantee in paragraph 2 rather than in paragraph 4.] Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: During the bilateral discussion between Robin Butler and Martin Mansergh on 9 December 1993, Butler signalled the British government's provisional acceptance of including the constitutional guarantee in paragraph 2 rather than in paragraph 4.] Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'Assist' from 4 Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 12(5) Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD2 Monday December 1991Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The editors do not have evidence of exactly on what date or by whom JD2 was created, but documents from the National Archives show that it was shown to Robin Butler by Dermot Nally for the first time on 16 December 1991.] Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Robin Butler to Receive a Copy of JD2 Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Mr Nally was willing to show it to me, but not to leave it with me. Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
A footnote to the draft contained a suggestion that, if the British Government were not willing to agree to a joint statement, the Taoiseach should unilaterally announce the proposal to establish the convention: Mr Nally described this as an addition... Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
(v) I said that, if we were to discuss drafts of a statement, it seemed to me preferable that we should be commenting on the draft statement produced by Mr Hume rather than producing one of our own. At our next meeting, therefore, I suggested that Mr... Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
The Irish side made clear that they had no part in drafting the joint declaration we have seen and had some scepticism about the merits and acceptability of the proposed Convention. Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
(iii) In the circumstances, we had not addressed the drafting of the document in detail but it would be wrong to leave the impression that we could seriously contemplate accepting it in its present form. Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD2 Monday December 1991Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
We would also make it clear to Mr Hume, whom both governments know to be capable of glossing his report somewhat, that we saw serious difficulties both in the scheme and in the text of the draft Joint Declaration. Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. I enclose a copy of the Irish draft declaration, together with a commentary on it prepared by NIO. Friday January 1992Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD2 Thursday January 1992Committee: British Government
The document is not one you could put your name to. it is ambiguous, and damagingly ambiguous. It talks of: "the need for both parts of Ireland to be unified in their approach to all major issues" (paragraph 2) and (paragraph 3) of "healing of... Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
Thank you for your minute of 30 January with a copy of the Irish draft Declaration. The Prime Minister discussed this with the Foreign Secretary this evening though the Foreign Secretary had not, and has not, seen the Irish draft. The Irish draft... Tuesday February 1992Committee: British Government
Since then, as you know, Sir Robin Butler has met Mr Nally three times for discussion of this issue. We have also been shown the text of two draft statements: the first ("Draft 2") given to us by Mr Nally, Friday February 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD2 Friday January 1992Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: Without a detailed minute of this meeting, we cannot be sure if anyone else attended besides Butler and Nally.] Friday January 1992Committee: Irish Government
Further British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The attorney general was shown JD15 and Patrick Mayhew's minute of 8 December 1993, written in advance of the ministerial meeting.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Memo from the Attorney General on the Joint Declaration Initiative Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The following further amendments were proposed in a briefing letter from Jonathan Stephens. These briefing documents clearly followed the report of the Irish amendments, so the editors have modelled them in this session.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
Note on the Attorney General's Memo on the Joint Declaration Thursday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This text is taken from Robin Butler's minute of his meeting with Dermot Nally on 16 December 1991. The text in the additional description is taken from Butler's memo to Stephen Wall enclosing an annotated copy of JD2. Taken together,... Friday January 1992Committee: British Government
Deletion of 'as of right' Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This final amendment was proposed in a note from Roderic Lyne based on a memo from the Attorney General. This note followed the report of the Irish amendments, so the editors have modelled it in this session.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
I shall try to get "as of right" deleted tomorrow. Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: During a meeting between Irish officials and Roderic Lyne, the Irish delegation proposed amendments that they said had been initially suggested by John Hume. Since one of the amendments was to a British government amendment reported to... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
New Final Paragraph: Transmission Errors Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: During a meeting on 10 December 1993, it became clear that the text Robin Butler recorded during this conversation contained two transmission errors: "present" for "fervent" and "a basis" for "the basis". The relevant extract from the... Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Report JD15 to John Hume Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: John Hume suggested further amendments to the British government amendments reported to Martin Mansergh on 9 December 1993. The editors have therefore inferred that he was shown a copy of the text between the 'evening' of 9 December... Thursday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Joint Declaration: JD15 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Inclusion of the Magee List Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to 12(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to 12(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to 12(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
New Final Paragraph Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Addition to 3 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'Assist' from 4 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Further British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 12(5) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
First John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
Second Alternative John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not know who attended this meeting from the Irish government.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: We do not know who attended this meeting from the Irish government.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: These amendments were reported back to the Irish government delegation.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: These amendments were reported back to the Irish government delegation.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: These amendments were reported back to the Irish government delegation.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Further amendments were proposed to JD15.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
First John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish-Hume Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Second Alternative John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Two further amendments were proposed to this amendment.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Two further amendments were proposed to this amendment.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These amendments were put to the British government on 10 December 1993.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These amendments were put to the British government on 10 December 1993.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These amendments were put to the British government on 10 December 1993.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Redraft of British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These amendments were put to the British government on 10 December 1993.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These amendments were put to the British government on 10 December 1993.] Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
PM COMMS-BRUSSELS FRI 10 DEC 17:40 PG.02 SECRET Discussion of JD15, Brussels, 10 December 1993, 1130-1400 Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Lyne vs Mansergh, Dorr, O hUiginn Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Lyne vs Mansergh, Dorr, O hUiginn Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Lyne vs Mansergh, Dorr, O hUiginn Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Lyne vs Mansergh, Dorr, O hUiginn Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Lyne vs Mansergh, Dorr, O hUiginn Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The meeting adjourned.] Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Discuss the Pending Amendments to JD15 Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The pending amendments to JD15 were under consideration.] Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
First John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Second Alternative John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Comment: Request from John Hume. Pushed mainly by Dorr and O'h. Not pressed hard. Not conceded by us. To be resolved. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Comment: Request from John Hume. Pushed mainly by Dorr and O'h. Not pressed hard. Not conceded by us. To be resolved. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Comment: Request from John Hume. Pushed mainly by Dorr and O'h. Not pressed hard. Not conceded by us. To be resolved. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(b) Para 3: "the island of" Agreed. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Redraft of British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Explanation: Singular "wish" refers to the people as a whole. "a" rather than "the: greater number refers back to an Anglo/Irish argument. Indefinite article lessens the implication that one is referring to the Unionist majority. "The issue of"... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Comment: Placed under UK reserve pending consultation. Any reason why we should not concede? Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Rejected on the spot by the UK as totally unacceptable. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Comment: said to be another John Hume request. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(e) Para 4, fourth sentence: UK request for deletion of "assist". Comment: argument made and resisted. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Point left under reserve on both sides. Scope for creative suggestions for alternatives by UK side. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Deletion of 'as of right' Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(f) Para 4, fifth sentence: UK requested deletion of "as of right" and of "including a sovereign united Ireland". Comment: bitterly resisted by Irish. One of the key sentences to appeal to nationalists. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
No willingness by the Irish to drop "as of right" in the face of the UK [Attorney General's] arguments. Claimed that Article 1(c) of the Anglo-Irish Agreement already incorporated this point in a legal document. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Position left open. Instructions required. Recommend that we drop our objection to "as of right" and try another alternative for the second problem - eg "... the island as a whole, including, by agreement, an independent Ireland if the people of... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(g) Para 4, seventh sentence: UK proposed insertion of "equally" Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(g) Para 4, seventh sentence: UK proposed insertion of "equally" and "so determine", and deletion of last nine words. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
"So determine" and deletion at end agreed. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Mild Irish objections to "equally". Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Left under reserve. Irish likely to concede. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(h) Para 5, penultimate sentence: Text of Irish insertion still awaited. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Although Roderic Lyne clearly believes at this point that the removal of the convention was part of the Butler/Nally agreement earlier in the week, the editors have not found evidence that that agreement was ever regarded as more than... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(j) First sentence of para 10: UK resisted amendment suggested by telephone by Mansergh on 9 December. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
After long argument, Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Alternative Amendment to 12(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Accepted ad referendum by the Irish. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to Irish Government Amendment to 12(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(k) Para 10, third sentence: Revised sentence accepted by the UK now reads: "The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach confirm that, following a renunciation of violence Sinn Fein would be free to participate fully...". Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(k) Para 10, third sentence: Revised sentence accepted by the UK now reads: "The Prime Minister and the Taoiseach confirm that, following a renunciation of violence Sinn Fein would be free to participate fully...". Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(l) Para 10: Long argument over UK proposal to delete "within" before "three months". Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Point left under reserve. UK promised to consider Irish argument that "within three months" gave HMG helpful flexibility, without departing from previous position of principle. Recommendation: accept Irish argument. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(m) Para 10: last two sentences: UK accepted deletion of "IRA" in penultimate sentence Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(m) Para 10: last two sentences: UK accepted deletion of "IRA" in penultimate sentence and replacement of "permit" by "enable" in last sentence. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish accepted "their own" in last sentence. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
UK saw attractions, but left the point under reserve pending further consultation. Recommendation: we should accept. Strongly advantageous. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
First Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 13(2) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 13(6) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 13(8) Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: These further amendments were put to the Irish government by Roderic Lyne on 10 December 1993.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: These further amendments were put to the Irish government by Roderic Lyne on 10 December 1993.] Thursday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: These further amendments were put to the Irish government by Roderic Lyne on 10 December 1993.] Thursday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 13(2) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
- second sentence: Irish resisted UK amendment "both parts of" Ireland. Argued that "Ireland" appeared unqualified elsewhere. Comment: drop amendment? Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Second Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 13(6) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Amendment to British Government Amendment to 13(6) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The amendment as adopted here is not in the form originally proposed by Jonathan Stephens ("for the people of Ireland and the United Kingdom, particularly..."). It is not clear whether the amendment was proposed by Roderic Lyne in this... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The amendment as adopted here is not in the form originally proposed by Jonathan Stephens ("for the people of Ireland and the United Kingdom, particularly..."). It is not clear whether the amendment was proposed by Roderic Lyne in this... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to 13(8) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
- new final sentence proposed by the UK: long debate. Bitter Irish resistance to a reference to the talks process. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Compromise Proposal for British Government Amendment to 13(8) Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Compromise proposal, ad referendum on both sides: "It would transform the prospects for building on the progress already made in the talks process, involving the two Governments and the constitutional parties in Northern Ireland through intensified... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Compromise proposal, ad referendum on both sides: "It would transform the prospects for building on the progress already made in the talks process, involving the two Governments and the constitutional parties in Northern Ireland through intensified... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
10 DOWNING STREET LONDON SW1A 2AA From the Private Secretary 10 December 1993 {Dear Jonathan,} JOINT DECLARATION: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING WITH THE TAOISEACH, PALAIS D'EGMONT, 10 DECEMBER Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister met the Taoiseach for an hour on the afternoon of Friday 10 December in the British Delegation office. Dr. Martin Mansergh and I were present. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister met the Taoiseach for an hour on the afternoon of Friday 10 December in the British Delegation office. Dr. Martin Mansergh and I were present. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister met the Taoiseach for an hour on the afternoon of Friday 10 December in the British Delegation office. Dr. Martin Mansergh and I were present. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
I am sending copies of this to John Sawers (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) and Melanie Leech (Cabinet Office). {yours ever, Roderic} RODERIC LYNE Jonathan Stephens, Esq., Northern Ireland Office. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Motion to Report JD15 Back Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: The conclusions of this meeting were discussed between John Major and Albert Reynolds later in the day, and reported back to their respective delegations.] Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD15 Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
First John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Second Alternative John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Government Redraft of British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'Assist' from 4 Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Notice of Inclusion of the Magee List Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
New Final Paragraph Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
First Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to 13(2) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Second Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD15 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
First John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Second Alternative John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government Redraft of British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'Assist' from 4 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Notice of Inclusion of the Magee List Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
New Final Paragraph Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
First Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to 13(2) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Second Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Joint Declaration: JD15 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
First John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Second Alternative John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Redraft of British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'Assist' from 4 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Notice of Inclusion of the Magee List Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
New Final Paragraph Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
First Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to 13(2) Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Second Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Jonathan Stephens, in discussion with Quentin Thomas, then wrote a note advising Roderic Lyne on what line he should take on these amendments.] Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Briefing Letter for Discussions on 11 December 1993 Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
BRUSSELS DISCUSSION OF JD15: LINES TO TAKE (references to (a), (b), etc) are to Rod Lyne's note of 10 December (a) Paragraph 2, third sentence. Continue strongly to resist Irish proposal to omit either "statutory" or "constitutional". A key British... Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Fall back (only if pressed hard): omit "statutory" rather than "constitutional". Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This refers to the agreement of the addition of "the island of" before "Ireland" in paragraph 3.] (b) Good. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(c) Paragraph 4, first sentence: Irish redraft. Accept, (but note that the sentences as it now reads adds an extra reference to a "united Ireland" to the paragraph as a whole: we proposed it on the basis that the latter reference to a "sovereign... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Although it was explicitly rejected in the meeting, this amendment was also reported back to Jonathan Stephens by Roderic Lyne.] Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(d) Paragraph 4, second sentence: Continue strongly to resist Irish addition of "of any description". Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Counter to John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to 4(1) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment had already been rejected during the meeting of British and Irish officials.] Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(e) Paragraph 4, forth sentence: Continue to press for deletion of "assist". Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Inclusion of 'Facilitate' to Replace 'Assist' Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Not a point to break on. Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: Although it was explicitly rejected in the meeting, this amendment was also reported back to Jonathan Stephens by Roderic Lyne.] Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Deletion of 'as of right' Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment had already been rejected during the meeting of British and Irish officials.] Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(f) Paragraph 4, fifth sentence: Irish objections to UK proposed deletion of "as of right' and of "including a sovereign united Ireland". Continue to press deletion of "as of right" on grounds advanced by AG, with which Sir Patrick Mayhew agrees. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Insertion of 'Legitimately' Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Continue strongly to press for deletion of "a sovereign united Ireland". Ministers judged this a key issue on Thursday, in determining unionist reactions to the document. Also a key Molyneaux objection [...] Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
[...] (he was equally opposed to the Irish alternative of "agreed independent structures"). Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Three references to "a united Ireland" in paragraph 4 is unnecessary and unacceptable. What does it add to the sentence which follows? Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(g) Paragraph 4, seventh sentence: UK insertion of "equally" Continue to press, but not vital. Irish acceptance of other amendments, a good result. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(h) Paragraph 5 penultimate sentence: missing Irish insertion. Press for specifics. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(i) Paragraphs 10 and 11 of JD14: Irish attempt to reinsert the Convention. Continue to resist: a potential break point for the UK. Remind the Irish that the problem was caused by the "Irish Press" leak, and the confusion which thereby arose between... Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: This amendment was accepted ad referendum during the meeting.] (j) Paragraph 10 first sentence Accept: good outcome. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(k) Paragraph 10 third sentence: Another success. Well done. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(l) Paragraph 10 penultimate sentence: deletion of "within" Apoint [sic] of concern to Ministers on Thursday. The sentence is in the Prime Minister's words, so it should be for us to determine what we say. Continue to resist, but not a break point. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(m) Paragraph 10: last two sentences. OK. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(n) Paragraph 10, last sentence: Irish reference to "Forum" On Thursday Ministers attached importance to absence of any reference, but subsequently Molyneaux suggested he could live with it. Still likely to be subject of wild unionist... Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(o) Paragraph 11, first sentence: Accept. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Alternative British Government Amendment to 13(2) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Second Alternative British Government Amendment to 13(2) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(r) Paragraph 11 sixth sentence: Good. Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
(s) Paragraph 11 final sentence: Good to have secured reference to Talks process. But reference to "intensified negotiations in which all could participate" will feed Molyneaux's suspicions that Sinn Fein are to be "parachuted" into the talks within a... Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Further British Government Amendment to 13(8) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Alternative Further British Government Amendment to 13(8) Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Second Alternative Further British Government Amendment to 13(8) Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said that his overriding objective was to secure the correct balance in the Joint Declaration. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Dissatisfaction with the Morning's Negotiations Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach said that he might be able to agree to the omission of the Irish Convention from the text, but only if there was the right balance overall. Father McGee and others who had seen the earlier text (presumably, JD14) and had found no problems... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
We were objecting to elements which reflected the Anglo/Irish Agreement. We were even seeking to change suggestions that we ourselves had put forward. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Political Constraints on John Major Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said that we were now close to a conclusion in the negotiations on the text. It should be possible to reach agreement over the weekend. He wondered from the Taoiseach's remarks whether he really wanted to go ahead with it. The... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
He acknowledged that the DUP and some UUP MPs were hostile. On the other hand, Cecil Walker had given a helpful radio interview; and according to Father McGee the Loyalist paramilitaries were not taking their cue from Paisley and Robinson. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Prime Minister said it was not surprising that we had had to seek a number of changes to the text, because it had started life as an Irish draft. However, he felt that we would probably be able to reach agreement. The Taoiseach said that John Hume... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Timing of a Meeting to Issue the Joint Declaration Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
After some discussion, [...] Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Issue the Joint Declaration on 15 December 1993 Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
After some discussion, it was agreed very tentatively that perhaps the best arrangements might be to hold the third meeting in London early on the morning of Wednesday 15 December, with a mid-morning press conference. The Taoiseach should then return... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
After some discussion, it was agreed very tentatively that perhaps the best arrangements might be to hold the third meeting in London early on the morning of Wednesday 15 December, with a mid-morning press conference. The Taoiseach should then return... Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Secure Civil and Ecclesiastic Support for the Joint Declaration Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
It was agreed that both Governments should make every effort to organise rapid support for the Joint Declaration, especially from the churches, when it was launched. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Press Line Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
The Taoiseach and the Prime Minister agreed on a minimalist press line, designed to avoid raising expectations. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Maintain Confidentiality Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Both sides would stick closely to this, and would not reveal details unattributably. Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
Report of Agreement on Procedural Details Friday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Editors' Note: The conclusions reached in the meeting were reported back to both delegations.] Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Timing of a Meeting to Issue the Joint Declaration Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Secure Civil and Ecclesiastic Support for the Joint Declaration Friday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Press Line Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Timing of a Meeting to Issue the Joint Declaration Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Secure Civil and Ecclesiastic Support for the Joint Declaration Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
Press Line Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: Roderic Lyne then went on to write a briefing note for John Major commenting on the NIO position.] Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
NOTE FOR THE FILE JOINT DECLARATION: MEETING WITH IRISH OFFICIALS, PALAIS EGMONT, BRUSSELS, SATURDAY 11 DECEMBER Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
After the European Council had finished, I met Martin Mansergh, Noel Dorr, and Sean o hUiggin to carry forward our discussion of the previous day about amendments to JD15. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
After the European Council had finished, I met Martin Mansergh, Noel Dorr, and Sean o hUiggin to carry forward our discussion of the previous day about amendments to JD15. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
After the European Council had finished, I met Martin Mansergh, Noel Dorr, and Sean o hUiggin to carry forward our discussion of the previous day about amendments to JD15. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
After the European Council had finished, I met Martin Mansergh, Noel Dorr, and Sean o hUiggin to carry forward our discussion of the previous day about amendments to JD15. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
After the European Council had finished, I met Martin Mansergh, Noel Dorr, and Sean o hUiggin to carry forward our discussion of the previous day about amendments to JD15. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
With no prospects of further progress, we ended the meeting. {RMJL.} RODERIC LYNE 11 December 1993 Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Aim to Finalise Text Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
O hUggin (who did most of the talking for the Irish throughout the meeting) said that he could not agree with my assessment. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The Irish wanted to hear what I had to say about the text. They would form their view of the overall position in the light of that. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Insert the Names of the Principals Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
New Final Paragraph: "Non-Paper" Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
This led into further debate about the purpose of the meeting. I said that I had come under the Prime Minister's instructions with a series of carefully worked out positions on the points which had been in question on the previous day. I thought this... Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The text was now unbalanced. All that was left in it for the Nationalists was paragraph 4. Even there, we were attacking sentences which lay at the heart of the paragraph. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The Taoiseach had taken a particular offence that we had withdrawn a formulation for the fifth sentence of paragraph 4 which we ourselves, they asserted, had put forward in the 7 December talks. He was not going to let this go on. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The Taoiseach had taken a particular offence that we had withdrawn a formulation for the fifth sentence of paragraph 4 which we ourselves, they asserted, had put forward in the 7 December talks. He was not going to let this go on. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
He had decided to take the matter into his own hands. He felt that was the only way in which progress might be possible. The Irish team would therefore take note of what I said and report to him. He would make his own assessment. It would be pointless... Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I made the obvious points in reply. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Thereafter, with occasional excursions into other parts of the text, the discussion focussed largely on the fifth sentence of paragraph 4. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Accept Current 4(5) and Finalise the Text Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
The Taoiseach would only allow discussion on this basis. Otherwise, there was no point in further talk, and we should pack up and go home. I asked if the Irish were now saying that the exercise should be abandoned. They replied that their instructions... Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I said that the negotiation could not be conducted on an "all or nothing" basis. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
We had explained our difficulties over the sentence to Mansergh, and he had shown understanding. These difficulties were both legal and political; but there were a number of ways in which they could be resolved. Saturday December 1993Committee: British Government
Report Further Amendments Friday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Editors' Note: The amendments suggested in this minute were taken to the meeting on 11 December 1993 by Roderic Lyne. As the atmosphere of the meeting became increasinly hostile, only a few of the amendments were actually tabled, and none of them were... Friday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
[Editors' Note: At this point, Roderic Lyne brings this amendment back for further consideration.] Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Insertion of 'Legitimately' Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Insertion of 'Properly' Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Insertion of 'without further impediment' Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(Dorr showed an interest in "legitimately", but was swept away by o hUggin when he tried to discuss it.) Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Alternatively, the balance of the end of the sentence could be changed by adding a reference to maintenance of the union. The difficulties were far from insurmountable. O hUggin replied with a flood of invective. We were trying to deny points which we... Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Given the Irish behaviour, I did not table our f-u-{a}llback position on the fifth sentence of paragraph 4. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
British Government Reversion to JD14 Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
On other points, the position reached in the face of Irish reluctance to engage in serious discussions was roughly as follows: (a) Para 3 [sic]: "statutory constitutional guarantee": I said the phrase should remain unchanged. It was clearly not a... Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(b) Para 3: "the island of Ireland": agreement confirmed. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Trade on Paragraph 4 Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Again, no response. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(e) Para 4: fourth sentence: I said that "assist" should be deleted, as we had repeatedly requested. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Irish Substitution of 'Help' for 'Assist' Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
I did not accept. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Inclusion of 'Facilitate' to Replace 'Assist' Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Given the atmosphere, I did not offer "facilitate". Point therefore unresolved. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(g) Para 4: seventh sentence: no progress, for similar reasons. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(h) Para 5: penultimate sentence: Mansergh said the Irish still intended to offer a draft sentence. We could take it or leave it as we wished. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(i) Paras 10 & 11 of JD14: Mansergh said that the Taoiseach had "signalled his intention to come back to the Prime Minister personally" over the "Irish Convention" paragraphs. He added that, whatever happened, the Irish would now be prepared to given... Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(j)-(n) Para 10: I indicated that, if satisfactory balance was achieved elsewhere in the text we would probably be able to accept the Irish amendments to this paragraph. (Given my condition, the square brackets should remain.) Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
With regard to the additional phrase proposed by the Irish for the last sentence ("including the possible establishment of a Forum for Peace and Reconciliation"), I reserved our position. I said that I had come to the meeting with proposals to make... Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
(o)-(s) Para 11: {I said that} I had also prepared for a serious discussion of this paragraph. We were ready to consider ways of integrating the text proposed by the Irish with the additional sentence proposed from our side. Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Roderic Lyne's "Non-Paper" Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
Address Minor Issues First Saturday December 1993Committee: Informal British-Irish Bilaterals
O hUggin said that the Irish were not prepared to discuss them. I should lay out all of my points, and they would take note and report back to the Taoiseach. Saturday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Insertion of 'Properly' Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Insertion of 'Legitimately' Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Insertion of 'without further impediment' Sunday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: Martin Mansergh intended to propose this amendment on 9 December 1993, and gave notice of it then. However, he had left the piece of paper in Dublin. The editors have therefore shown the amendment being re-referred at this point.] Sunday December 1993Committee: British Government
Insertion of 'without further impediment' Sunday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Joint Declaration: JD15 Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
First John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Second Alternative John Hume Amendment to British Government Amendment to Alternative Reaffirmation of Constitutional Guarantee in 2(3) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(1) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Redraft of British Government Amendment to 4(1) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'assist' from 4 Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 4(7/8) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 12(4) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Notice of Inclusion of the Magee List Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
New Final Paragraph Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
First Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to 13(2) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Second Irish Government Correction of Transmission Error Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Deletion of 'as of right' Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Insertion of 'properly' Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Insertion of 'legitimately' Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Insertion of 'without further impediment' Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Insert the Names of the Principals Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Substitution of 'help' for 'assist' Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to 9(1) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: This point was put to the Taoiseach.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Alteratively, they suggest going back to "agreed independent structures and dropping the last phrase. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Rewording of Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
UK have suggested first formulation [...] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
UK have suggested first formulation [...] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Status: UK indicated provisional agreement Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
UK have suggested dropping 'within'. Status: open Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a record of this meeting. The text below is taken from Robin Butler's minute of his conversation with Dermot Nally at 15.45 on the same day.] 2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: i[.] no... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a record of this meeting. The text below is taken from Robin Butler's minute of his conversation with Dermot Nally at 15.45 on the same day.] 2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: i[.] no... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a record of this meeting. The text below is taken from Robin Butler's minute of his conversation with Dermot Nally at 15.45 on the same day.] 2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: i[.] no... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We have no further record of this meeting.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
SECRET Ref: A093/3676 MR LYNE ___________ Joint Declaration - Conversation with Mr Nally at 15.45 13 December I spoke, as agreed, to Mr Nally. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
I spoke, as agreed, to Mr Nally. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Confidentiality Breaches Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Delay Substantive Conversation between Major and Reynolds Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Hold a Short Interim Conversation between Major and Reynolds Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The precise sequence of events is uncertain here; Dermot Nally's minute of the meeting (below) this non-substantive part of the conversation is recorded at the end.] I said I was sure that the Prime Minister would be willing to do... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Agreement on Legal Status of Joint Declaration Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: i[.] no problems about treating the Joint Declaration as a "political" rather than "legal" document and the Taoiseach would do whatever was necessary to achieve that. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] ii[.] on "assist" in para 4, the Irish wanted to substitute "help" and could not see the problem, since this was a quotation from Peter Brooke's speech. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] ii[.] on "assist" in para 4, the Irish wanted to substitute "help" and could not see the problem, since this was a quotation from Peter Brooke's speech. I said that this was no improvement. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Report Back on Conclusions Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: At this point, since the British government was agreeing to accept the 'as of right' clause under certain conditions and the Irish government was insisting on it, we can assume the suggestions for alternative language were... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: At this point, since the British government was agreeing to accept the 'as of right' clause under certain conditions and the Irish government was insisting on it, we can assume the suggestions for alternative language were... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: At this point, since the British government was agreeing to accept the 'as of right' clause under certain conditions and the Irish government was insisting on it, we can assume the suggestions for alternative language were... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The amendments proposed during the meeting were reported back to both delegations respectively for further consideration.] Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a record of this meeting. The text below is taken from Robin Butler's minute of his conversation with Dermot Nally at 15.45 on the same day.] 2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] iv[.]... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a record of this meeting. The text below is taken from Robin Butler's minute of his conversation with Dermot Nally at 15.45 on the same day.] 2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] iv[.]... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a record of this meeting. The text below is taken from Robin Butler's minute of his meeting with Dermot Nally at 15.45 on the same day.] 2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] ii[.] on... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: We do not have a record of this meeting. The text below is taken from Robin Butler's minute of his meeting with Dermot Nally at 15.45 on the same day.] 2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] iii[.] at... Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD15 Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
Molyneaux's Deletion of 'assist' from 4 Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
Irish Substitution of 'help' for 'assist' Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
Deletion of 'as of right' Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Strike Out Paragraphs 10 and 11 Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
British Government Amendment to Further Irish Government Amendment to 12(5) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Discussion of Paragraphs 10 and 11 between Major and Reynolds Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] iv[.] the Taoiseach wanted to discuss paras 10 and 11 and the announcement of the Forum with the Prime Minister. This was the remaining substantive point. I took note but said... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] v[.] the Taoiseach was content to leave it to us whether to include the word "within" before the three month period for the explanatory talks with Sinn Fein. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
3. It appears from this that we are down to 2 1/2 substantive points. The two substantive points are the formula at the end of the "as of right" sentence and the treatment of the Forum. The half point is "assist", where there is no point in accepting... Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: In Robin Butler's conversation with Dermot Nally at 18.00, he reports further amendments being offered by the Irish side. We have modelled these here.] Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These alternatives were put to Robin Butler by Dermot Nally at 18.00.] Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: These alternatives were put to Robin Butler by Dermot Nally at 18.00.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
SECRET MR. LYNE JOINT DECLARATION Further talk with Mr. Nally at 6 pm :- Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Further talk with Mr. Nally at 6 pm :- Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Replacement of 'assist and enable' with 'facilitate' Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
i. [...] I said that we would consult on that basis[.] Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Amendment to Second Alternative Irish Government Amendment to British Government Deletion from 4(5/6) Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
ii. [...] They slightly prefer the former. I suggest we give NIO the choice. Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
2. On the substance, Mr Nally handed on the following messages: [...] iii[.] at the end of the "as of right" sentence, the Irish are content to drop "sovereign". They would like to end the revised sentence at "by peaceful means", thus omitting "...... Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Major to Ring Reynolds to Discuss Paragraphs 10-12 Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
iii. They will expect, unless they hear to the contrary, the PM to ring the Taoiseach tomorrow to discuss presentation of the forum. (The Taoiseach has their Cabinet at 11). Monday December 1993Committee: Irish Government
[Editors' Note: The text below is taken from Robin Butler's minute of a conversation with Dermot Nally at 18.00 on 13 December 1993.] iii. They will expect, unless they hear to the contrary, the PM to ring the Taoiseach tomorrow to discuss... Tuesday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Copy to Jonathan Stevens. FERB 13 December 1993 Monday December 1993Committee: Prime Minister-Taoiseach Meetings
[Ediotrs' Note: The text below is taken from a letter from Roderic Lyne to Robin Butler recording a conversation he had with Robin Eames.] Subject to developments later this evening, we might aim to have a short meeting with the Prime Minister at 0930... Tuesday December 1993Committee: British Government
[Ediotrs' Note: The text below is taken from a letter from Roderic Lyne to Robin Butler recording a conversation he had with Robin Eames.] Subject to developments later this evening, we might aim to have a short meeting with the Prime Minister at 0930... Tuesday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
From the Private Secretary SIR ROBIN BUTLER ______________________ NORTHERN IRELAND: JOINT DECLARATION [...] As agreed with the Prime Minister, I spoke to Archbishop Eames this evening. Monday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
As agreed with the Prime Minister, I spoke to Archbishop Eames this evening. Monday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
As agreed with the Prime Minister, I spoke to Archbishop Eames this evening. Monday December 1993Committee: British-Eames Bilaterals
I am sending copies of this minute to Jonathan Stephens, Keith Jagelman and Quentin Thomas (Northern Ireland Office). Deborah [?]iles pp. RODERIC LYNE 13 December 1993 Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
Report Back Further Proposed Amendments Monday December 1993Committee: Butler-Nally Meetings
[Editors' Note: The new amendments were reported back to the respective delegations.] Monday December 1993Committee: British Government
Joint Declaration: JD15C Monday December 1993