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IN THE FINAL STAGES OF EDITING A series of talks launched by Peter Brooke, Secretary of State for Northern in Ireland, which began in April 1991, and were carried on intermittently by Brooke and his successor, Patrick Mayhew, until November 1992.
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Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Read Out Obstacles Papers Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
PF: Maybe we are confusing real difficulties in finding an agenda to try and resolve problems. There is a proposed agenda that can be put forward to encompass all issues. He quotes AIA but does not support it then divides it. IP: I have a right to... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Give Parties Unidentified Papers from Each Delegation Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Sub-Committee on Agenda Item 6 Agenda (03.09.1992) Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Chairman's Opening Statement Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Ken Maginnis agreed and said that if we are dismissive of each other we will get nowhere. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Each Delegation to Prepare a List of Obstacles for Discussion Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: No objection was made to the opening statement.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Sir N.S. said that we were all agreed that we draw up a list. It would just be a simple staement, nothing more. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: Sir Ninian chaired the Sub-Committee.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Draft Committee Progress Report (10-09-1992) Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Handwritten Amendments to Draft Committee Progress Report Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: No objection was made to this suggestion.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Secretary of State's Statement on Sub-Item 4 Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
RECORD OF A BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT TEAM AND THE ALLIANCE PARTY, HELD IN PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON WEDNESDAY 22 MAY 1991 Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R... Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Call to Order Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting was begun.] Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Meeting with Party Leaders Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: As this is not referred to again in the minutes, we assume that Alliance did not respond or object.] Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
SOS Report of Developments Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: We are unsure of the author of this document, although it is presumably John Alderdice.] When he had given the above details to me I indicated that whilst my party's preference was for the arrangements that had previously been... Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Party Leaders Meeting Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: This was agreed by both parties.] Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Meeting Adjournment Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Thursday December 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Call to Order Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting was begun.] Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
SOS Report of Meeting with Unionists Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
SOS Report of Meeting with SDLP Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: As this is not referred to again in the minutes, we assume that Alliance did not respond or object.] Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: As this is not referred to again in the minutes, we assume that Alliance did not respond or object.] Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Proposed Meeting Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: As this is not referred to again in the minutes, we assume that Alliance did not object to the proposed time.] Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Meeting Adjournment Friday January 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday January 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
[Editor's note: No objections were recorded] Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
Overall Machinery of Government in Northern Ireland Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
Afterwards a question and answer session with Mawhinney dealing with policy matters. All Alliance delegation spoke. Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
Public Expenditure in Northern Ireland Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
Question time restricted due to time constraints. Mawhinney refused to be drawn into debate about powers etc of new assembly Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
Next Meeting Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
[Editor's note: This was agreed] Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
Adjournment Monday February 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team said that they were conscious of the fact that less time was available for the Talks than had been hoped and that, as the 16 July drew near, the question of how they might all proceed next would need to be addressed. Wednesday June 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Secretary of State's Summary of the Position on the Afternoon of 8 May 1991 Wednesday May 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Statement from the Joint Unionist Leaders Friday May 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: Alderdice's diary entry from the day suggests that the SOS met with the Party Leaders in the morning before issuing the document 'Political Talks: Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three'.] 14 May 1991 After long... Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-SDLP Talks
SDLP Press Statement 20 May 1991 Monday May 1991Committee: British-SDLP Talks
[Editor's Note: This press statement is the subject of discussion in later meetings.] Monday May 1991Committee: Party Leaders
The Party leaders of Alliance, SDLP, UUP and UDUP met together at Stormont today without the Secretary of State and decided that plenary talks will commence on Monday June 17th. They are confident that an agreed Chairman for Strand Two will be... Wednesday June 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (4 June 1991, 1745) Tuesday June 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: The changes are agreed with the Irish Government and duly made to the document.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: Hume-Brooke Meetings
Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (4 June 1991, 1745) Wednesday June 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (4 June 1991, 1745) Wednesday June 1991Committee: Party Leaders
The statement was read to journalists by the Ulster Unionist Party MP, the Rev Marlin Smyth, who was deputising for the party leader, Mr James Molyneaux, who had flown to London on parliamentary business. Wednesday June 1991Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: Dr Alderdice attended this meeting as the leader of the Alliance Party of Northern Ireland.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: John Hume attended the meeting as leader of the SDLP.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: Ian Paisley attended this meeting as leader of the DUP.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: Party Leaders
Statement to the Press Wednesday June 1991Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: A statement is agreed and reported in the press.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: Hume-Brooke Meetings
[Editor's Note: We do not know the timing of this meeting. At 12.10, when the Secretary of State finished his meeting with the Alliance Party, he has yet to meet Mr Hume and does not appear to indicate that he is about to do so immediately.] Irish... Wednesday June 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: On 5 June, the final version of the Procedural Guidelines is accepted by all parties. This is following the Irish Government's agreement to reinstate the venues for Strand 2 in the document, as requested by the Unionist delegation at... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Requirements for a Solution: An Alliance Paper 28 June 1991 Monday July 1991Committee: Party Leaders
Statement on Behalf of Four Party Leaders Friday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: Rev Smyth deputised for Mr Molyneaux on this occasion but would not normally be present at a meeting of the party leaders.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: Party Leaders
Press Release 2 March 1992 Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The session adjourns. Later the Alliance delegation hold a meeting to reflect on it. Notes from Alderdice's archive are below.] Mayhew took strong lead which may be beneficial and Hanley appears to be very straightforward but attitude... Wednesday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Political Talks: Realities and Common Themes [HMG Paper of 24 April 1992] Friday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: With this decision the revisions to the 1991 version of the document are made.] Friday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: The revised version of the document is now referred. It is sent to the party leaders with an accompanying letter from Sir Patrick Mayhew on 24 June and is tabled for discussion at the Business Committee on 29 April 1992.] Friday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Political Talks: Common Themes (1 May 1992) Friday May 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: This version of the document was circulated to the delegations on Friday 1 May, as agreed by the Business Committee. It is then discussed on 4 May.] Friday May 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Political Talks: Realities (1 May 1992) Friday May 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Joint Talks Statement 10 November 1992 Tuesday November 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
SDLP Paper on Agreeing the Nature of the Problem 5.5.1992 Thursday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
New Political Institutions in Northern Ireland: 8 June 13.30 Revision Monday June 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's note: These revisions were agreed in the Sub-Group.] Monday June 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The Alliance spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose an Alliance position paper on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The British Government spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose a British Government position paper on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The Irish Government spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose two Irish Government position papers on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The SDLP spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose an SDLP position paper on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The UUP spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose a UUP position paper on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
Alliance: Agenda Item 6 Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
British Government: Agenda Item 6 Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
Irish Government: Agenda Item 6 (1): Identity, Allegiance and Underlying Realities Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
Irish Government: Agenda Item 6 (2): Constitutional Issues Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
SDLP: Agenda Item 6 Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
UUP: Agenda Item 6 Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The Alliance spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose an Alliance position paper on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The British Government spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose a British Government position paper on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The Irish Government spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose two Irish Government position papers on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The SDLP spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose an SDLP position paper on Agenda Item 6.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: The UUP spokesperson briefly entered the Committee in order to propose a UUP position paper on Agenda Item 6.] xx Friday August 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The DUP paper was circulated to participants, and was next discussed in the business committee on 1 September 1992, as outlined in the Future Work Programme.] Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Motion to Instruct Plenary on Agenda Item 6 Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: The report was referred to Plenary along with the relevant papers.] Tuesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Section (a) Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the record of this meeting, but is clear from comparing the 1 September 1992 Business Committee Report instructing Plenary with the description of the mandate from Plenary outlined in the Draft Progress Report on Agenda... Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Section (b) Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the record of this meeting, but is clear from comparing the 1 September 1992 Business Committee Report instructing Plenary with the description of the mandate from Plenary outlined in the Draft Progress Report on Agenda... Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Section (c) Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the record of this meeting, but is clear from comparing the 1 September 1992 Business Committee Report instructing Plenary with the description of the mandate from Plenary outlined in the Draft Progress Report on Agenda... Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the record of this meeting, but is clear from comparing the 1 September 1992 Business Committee Report instructing Plenary with the description of the mandate from Plenary outlined in the Draft Progress Report on Agenda... Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the record of this meeting, but is clear from comparing the 1 September 1992 Business Committee Report instructing Plenary with the description of the mandate from Plenary outlined in the Draft Progress Report on Agenda... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
SUB-COMMITTEE MEETING THURSDAY 3/9/92 Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
MEETING ENDED AT 11.15, TO BE RESUMED AT 12 noon. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have not yet found a comprehensive list of delegates to this committee. The people added here those who are recorded as having spoken in meetings. Each delegation was entitled to nominate four delegates to the Sub-Committee, but two... Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Motion to Constitute and Instruct the Committee to Consider Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
British Government: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Irish Government: Agenda Item 6 (1): Identity, Allegiance and Underlying Realities Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Irish Government: Agenda Item 6 (2): Constitutional Issues Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The instructions were then referred, along with the papers, to the newly constituted Committee on Agenda Item 6.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Plenary Proposals Concerning Committee on Agenda Item 6 (02.09.1992) Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Alliance: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
British Government: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
DUP: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Irish Government: Agenda Item 6 (1): Identity, Allegiance and Underlying Realities Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Irish Government: Agenda Item 6 (2): Constitutional Issues Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
SDLP: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
UUP: Agenda Item 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The committee began its deliberations on the afternoon of 2 September by considering procedural matters. Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Procedural Rules for the Conduct of the Sub-Committee Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Speaking Rights Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
It was agreed that speaking rights would be accorded to two delegates per delegation, Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
No Record of Committee Proceedings Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
It was agreed that speaking rights would be accorded to two delegates per delegation, that no record would be taken of the committee's proceedings Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Committee Reports Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
It was agreed that speaking rights would be accorded to two delegates per delegation, that no record would be taken of the committee's proceedings and that committee reports would be prepared by a small drafting group consisting of one nominee per delegation. Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
It was agreed that speaking rights would be accorded to two delegates per delegation, that no record would be taken of the committee's proceedings and that committee reports would be prepared by a small drafting group consisting of one nominee per delegation. Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Appoint One Member from Each Delegation to Prepare a Composite Obstacle List Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
David Andrews felt this would be new departure from that already agreed by Plenary. He went on to say that he himself had addressed the question of an "obstacle list" and he would be ready at any stage to articulate on them. Maybe others could do this... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: At this point both David Andrews and Ian Paisley have made it clear that they are not willing to accept this proposal.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Motion to Prepare a List of Positive Proposals as Well Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
P.F. said that he agreed with J.H. that we should look at the obstacles then present proposals. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
D.A. hoped that we could then articulate them and get down to political realities. I.P. said that the list should only be fundamental, obstacles in terse sentences. S.C. said the obstacles that are in the way to progress would also relate to the... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Alliance: Strand 2 Obstacles Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Seamus agreed that time was of the essence. He said the one of our greatest problems was that there was still a carry-over of unsolved "reservations" from Strand One. He concluded by saying that a list would be a useful exercise but he hoped that today... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Peter Robinson said that he was the one that originally proposed the list but was concerned that when they mentioned certain obstacles they were told that they were not obstacles at all. J.H. said that the committee hadn't discussed anything in detail... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
ALLIANCE PARTY OF NORTHERN IRELAND MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON THURSDAY 3 SEPTEMBER 1992 AT 2.30 PM Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Meeting adjourned. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Irish Government: Strand 2 Obstacles Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
UUP: Strand 2 Obstacles Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
DUP: Strand 2 Obstacles Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
SDLP: Strand 2 Obstacles Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[British Government]: Strand 2 Obstacles Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
DA then mentioned the absence of specific reference to the Government of Ireland Act and that they considered it crucial. [Editor's Note: This presumably refers to the absence of the Act from all papers other than their own.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
ALLIANCE PARTY OF NORTHERN IRELAND MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON THURSDAY 3 SEPTEMBER 1992 AT 3.45 PM Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Motion to Adjourn Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
IP: I must have an adjournments to discuss this with my people. JH: We are discussing a matter that does not exist. It is not an agenda then. An adjournment would be of no use. DA: An adjournment is called for. We must respond positively. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Give Ian Paisley the Irish Government Paper Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
DA: I would consider that during the adjournment. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
NI: If it serves a useful purpose and we can give the UDUP the paper. [Editor's Note: It seems probable that 'NI' is a typographical error here for 'NS'.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
IP: As regards Government of Ireland Act we have no authority to debate the Union. It cannot be changed. If the matter of Union is raised we will not negotiate it. If 1920 Act is obstacle then that is to say that the Union is an obstacle and if removal... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
PF: Did I hear you say you have no objection to anybody making their views known about the Act. If so where is the conflict. IP: I haven't heard anybody they are not here to negotiate the Union. KM: We are running into difficulties. If we make... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Chairman's Composite Paper: Strand 2 Obstacles Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
PR: As I understand it you have attempted to group together all the points in 7 under other. It seems they have nothing in common to each other but should be specific headings. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Meeting adjourned. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
IP queried status of adjournment. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
DA: Queried the primacy of listing Arts 2 & 3 while relegating Government of Ireland. We see it as strongly as the Unionists view of Arts 2 & 3. We return to the 26/3/91 which states all constitutional issues are on the table. We consider the... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Constitutional Issues Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Creation of an Agenda by Sir Ninian Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This proposal was agreed.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
ALLIANCE PARTY OF NORTHERN IRELAND MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON THURSDAY 3 SEPTEMBER 1992 AT 5 PM. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Reading of Remit Provided by Plenary Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: No objection was made.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: No speaker is initially named in the minutes, but it seems likely that it was Sir Ninian speaking.] Do you want an exchange of sanctised statements. Would it useful? IP: It would be helpful. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Agreed Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
J Hanley: Re-affirmed the value of independent Chairman and who tried to help others by objectively drawing up the paper. We should accept your order in good faith. We must accept your choice of agenda. NS: Thank you but I don't regard my paper as an... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
IP: Agenda not accepted. We are not grasping the nettle and the matters would not blow. We would listen to remarks 1-3 and then comment on 4. That should be at the top of the agenda. Everything depends on that. We will be going away from the... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Amend Item 2 to Remove Reference to Terrorism Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
IP: It is ridiculous to discuss matters that are contingent on Articles 2 & 3. So we can not put it at the bottom of the list. So we will not be giving comments until Article 4. We must grasp the nettle. JH: That is your nettle. DA: I would propose... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Prioritise Discussion of Articles 2 & 3 Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Chairman's Faxed Amendments to the Proposed Agenda Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The record of the meeting as found in the John Alderdice Collection ends here, but it seems that the document is incomplete. The rest of the timeline for this day is modelled based on other documents in the Collection and an article... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This amendment either failed or was dropped, since it was not included in the finalised version of the agenda.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This amendment failed, and was not included in the final agenda.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: It is clear from the headings used on later documents that these amendments were accepted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Yet when the Chairman later produced another paper suggesting an Agenda that my delegation found unacceptable there was no-one interested in resolving the difference. This time the Irish Republic sought to bulldoze the issue through by vote. We... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have no record of this meeting, but we know that it was scheduled to take place from 10.30 am to 5 pm, with an evening session if necessary.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
DUP Statement (09.09.1992) Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editors' Note: Since the delegations were only allowed to nominate four members to this Sub-Committee, we have made a working assumption that all other members were present. However, we currently have no record of the non-negotiating delegates to the... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: These people are named as speaking in the minutes. The parties' non-speaking delegates were also likely to have been present, but we do not have a record of who they were.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We do not have the minutes of this meeting, but we know all delegations were represented.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
British Government: Sub-Committee Agenda Item 1: Lack of Adequate Channels of Communication and Co-operation Between North and South Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Possible Principles on Which to Base Institutional Arrangements for Enhanced Communication and Co-operation Between North and South Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Section 6 Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have added the Alliance representative to attach to papers and statements attributed to the Alliance delegation as a whole.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have added the British Government representative to attach to papers and statements attributed to the British Government delegation as a whole.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have added the Irish Government representative to attach to papers and statements attributed to the Irish Government delegation as a whole.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have added the DUP representative to attach to papers and statements attributed to the DUP delegation as a whole.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have added the SDLP representative to attach to papers and statements attributed to the SDLP delegation as a whole.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have added the UUP representative to attach to papers and statements attributed to the UUP delegation as a whole.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
AMENDED LIST OF POSSIBLE PRINCIPLES FOR BETTER CHANNELS AS AGREED AT MEETING OF 9/9/92 READ CHAPTER 6 AS IT STANDS Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
7 (Heading) Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: No objection seems to have been made to retaining the heading for now.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Expression and Validity for Both Traditions Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Only Those Pursuing Objectives through Peaceful Means Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
– Such as to give expression and validity to each main tradition? (pursuing the objectives through peaceful means) this has not been agreed as yet SDLP to present an alternative. Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Improved Relations and Better Understanding between Traditions and between NI/ROI Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Spirit of Cordial Co-operation and Friendship between the Peoples of the Island of Ireland Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The following two paras have not been discussed Read the next two paragraphs as they stand Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Widely Acceptable Governmental Arrangements to Protect and Forward the Interests of the People of the Island of Ireland Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Respecting the Democratic Rights of the People of the Island of Ireland Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Widely Acceptable in Both Parts of the Island of Ireland Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Stable and Durable Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The following were agreed – stable and durable Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Constructive and Meaningful Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The following were agreed – stable and durable – constructive and meaningful Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Capable of Development with the Agreement of All Concerned Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Workable and Straightforward Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Reciprocity Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Avoid Entrenchment of Community Division and Encourage the Development of an "Agreed Ireland" Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Basis for Consultation to Advance Co-operation for the Mutual Benefit of Parties Concerned Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Innovative Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Conducive to the Ending of the Terrorism and the Enhancement of Security Co-operation Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Optimising the Benefits of the EC Framework Consistent with the Roles of UK and ROI Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Capable of Securing Public Endorsement Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Remove "Agreed Ireland" Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The amendment was adopted.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The bullet point was adopted as amended.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
the next two on the paper are still to be discussed Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
the next two on the paper are still to be discussed Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Capable of Development on an Agreed Basis Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The amendment was adopted.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The section was adopted as amended.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Mutuality Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
based on reciprocity amendment to mutuality not accepted-- Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
based on reciprocity amendment to mutuality not accepted-- will be discussed further Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Avoid Sectarian Division and Encourage the Development of Both Political Entities Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The amendment was adopted.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
(this text was later discussed at length and the SDLP will probaly be tabling a further amendment) Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
(this text was later discussed at length and the SDLP will probaly be tabling a further amendment) Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The following two were agreed as they are on the paper Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The following two were agreed as they are on the paper Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The last three re terrorism, EC framework and public endorsement still to be debated Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The last three re terrorism, EC framework and public endorsement still to be debated Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The last three re terrorism, EC framework and public endorsement still to be debated Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Alternative Bullet Point 1: Reconcile and Acknowledge the Rights of Both Traditions (AIA Wording) Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Recognise and Acknowledge Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This change was made.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Stylistic Amendments to Alternative Bullet Point 1: AIA Wording Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: These changes were made without objection.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Northern Ireland to Remain as Integral Part of the United Kingdom Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This amendment was adopted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The alternative form of words for section 1 was adopted as amended.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Motion to Perfect the Alternative Bullet Point 1 Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: It seems that at this point the original bullet point 1 was dropped in favour of the alternative form of words, which was further amended.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Change "between Traditions" to "within Northern Ireland" Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This amendment was adopted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This bullet point was adopted as amended.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Remove "between the Peoples of the Island of Ireland" Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This amendment was adopted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This bullet point was adopted as amended.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This bullet point was adopted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Additional Bullet Point Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This additional bullet point was adopted.] – legitimate in the sense of respecting the validity of both the nationalist and unionist identities in Ireland and the democratic rights of every citizen on the island Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This bullet point was adopted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This bullet point was adopted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Two-Way Channel of Communication to Address Issues of Mutual Benefit or Concern Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This amendment was adopted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This bullet point was adopted as amended.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This bullet point was adopted.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: It is not clear whether this bullet point was rejected or dropped, but it was not incorporated into the final document.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: It is not clear whether this bullet point was rejected or dropped, but it was not incorporated into the final document.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: It is not clear whether this bullet point was rejected or dropped, but it was not incorporated into the final document.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Reformatting Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: When this draft of the document was written up, one of the bullet points was moved to group it with similar bullet points. The heading of the document was also updated to reflect the fact that the principles were now being recommended... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: In accordance with the decision taken on 2 September 1992, the report was probably prepared by a small drafting group consisting of one nominee per delegation.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have no record of this meeting, but we know that it was scheduled to take place from 10.30 am to 4 pm, in preparation for the Plenary meeting at 4.30 pm.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Accept the de Facto Position of NI as Part of the UK Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This handwritten amendment has been made to the document and then crossed out.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
All Democratic Rights to Be Respected Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This handwritten amendment has been made to the document.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editors' Note: Since the delegations were only allowed to nominate four members to this Sub-Committee, we have made a working assumption that all members were present. However, we currently have no record of the non-negotiating delegates to the... Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This was the condition of the document when the meeting adjourned on 9 September 1992.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Committee Progress Report on Agenda Item 6 (10-09-1992) Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: In accordance with the decision taken on 2 September 1992, the report was probably prepared by a small drafting group consisting of one nominee per delegation.] Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
The committee completed consideration of item 1 on the attached agenda. Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Sub-Item 2: Terrorism and Co-operation on Security Matters Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
(10.9.92) Padraig Flynn Common interest in dealing with common threat – both IRA + loyalists. Common commitment. Dealing with fugitive offenders. [I£2.5bn since 1970. I£200m per annum currently. 4 x more capita than the UK.] Alliance How to... Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
SDLP: Agenda Item 6: Sub-Item 3: Allegiance and Identity Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Second Progress Report on Agenda Item 6, Covering Sub-Items 2 and 3 (18-09-1992) Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Irish Government Statement on Sub-Item 4 Friday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Draft Media Release: Strand 2: Plenary Session: Day 12: 21 September 1992 Monday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Sub-Item 3: The Issues of Identity in Northern Ireland and the Consequent Problems of Allegiance Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This report was made to Plenary.] Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have no record of the meeting on this day, but we know that the Sub-Committee was scheduled to meet "all day plus evening session if necessary".] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have no record of the meeting on this day, but we know that the Sub-Committee was scheduled to meet "all day plus evening session if necessary".] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: We have no record of the meeting on this day, but we know that the Sub-Committee was scheduled to meet "all day".] Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: It seems probable that debate on this day centred on Sub-Item 2 of the Agenda, and that it was successfully concluded.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: It seems probable that debate on this day centred on Sub-Item 2 of the Agenda, and that it was successfully concluded.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: At some point during this meeting, discussion of sub-item 3 on the agenda was completed.] Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
UUP Statement on Sub-Item 4 Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Draft Second Progress Report on Agenda Item 6 (18-09-1992) Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Handwritten Amendments to Draft Committee Progress Report Friday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: Broadly speaking, these amendments were adopted into the final report.] Friday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
21.9.92 (Dublin Castle) Welcome – all expressed appreciation JH noted that the fact that the throne in Dublin Castle was [presented] should make the unionists feel at home. The fact that the throne was empty made the SDLP feel at home! Monday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Business Committee Report (18-09-1992) Friday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Second Progress Report on Agenda Item 6, Covering Sub-Items 2 and 3 (18-09-1992) Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report accepted and note taken of objections to UDUP Annexure. Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Objections were made to the UDUP Annex.] Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
JM asks for 'ambiguities' to be clarified. Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Monday September 1992