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IN THE FINAL STAGES OF EDITING A series of talks launched by Peter Brooke, Secretary of State for Northern in Ireland, which began in April 1991, and were carried on intermittently by Brooke and his successor, Patrick Mayhew, until November 1992.
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Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Although it is not explicitly stated, at this point the delegations must have agreed the text of the minute and of the Secretary of State's statement.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Proposal for Sub-Committee to Continue its Work (for Plenary Meeting on 3 June): SDLP Amendment Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Sir Ninian and the Irish Government were informed of the launch of Strands 2 and 3.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
It was agreed that this would be reconsidered at the first afternoon session when all parties had had the opportunity to consider the matter. Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
I do so with the agreement of each of the party leaders. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection was made.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Chairman's Opening Statement to Strand 2 Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Message from the Taoiseach and the Prime Minister Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report on Progress in Strand 1 Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Agenda Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
His suggested agenda for the discussion was agreed without objection. Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Opening Statements Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. Opening statements were made by each of the delegations. Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Delegations to Respond to the Opening Statements Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Access to Strand 1 Documents Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The parties to Strand 1 agreed to consider'.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Talks Statement (19 June 1992) Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Opening Remarks by Government Delegation at Plenary Session 29.4.92 Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Circulation of Alliance Position Paper Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so done.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. The Government Team asked whether the omission of economic issues from the Alliance Party presentation implied that these were seen as of secondary importance. The Alliance Party said that they believed that the issue was one for negotiation and... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Opening Statements to Begin Today Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. Following the presentation of the Alliance Party's position paper, the UUP queried the suggestion that Unionists believed that the British Isles as a whole should constitute a single political entity saying that unionism did recognise the existence... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
ANNEX 9 LIST OF DELEGATES ALLIANCE PARTY DELEGATION DR J ALDERDICE S CLOSE S NEESON A MORROW S MCBRIDE M MCCONNELL K HULL IRISH GOVERNMENT DELEGATION J WILSON D ANDREWS P FLYNN R MOLLOY N DORR J BROSNAN S O'HUIGINN SDLP DELEGATION J HUME S... Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The DUP delegation then asked a series of questions: a. Would the Alliance party describe their stance on the Union as "Unionist"? b. What was the Alliance Party's view on limits to the application of "self-determination" to the people of Northern... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. The Alliance Party said that the people of Northern Ireland had the right to look at and vote on alternatives to the present system of Government. While the DUP suggestion that this might result in some form of independence or exit from the United... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'it was agreed'.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance: Opening Statement to Strand 2 Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Irish Government: Opening Statement to Strand 2 Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP: Opening Statement to Strand 2 Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
British Government: Opening Statement to Strand 2 Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Questioning of Government Team Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Copies of Presentations Circulated Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'Copies of all the presentations were circulated'.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP and UUP Presentations Next Session Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The DUP and the UUP agreed'.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'A brief statement was agreed'.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Secretary of State confirmed that an opportunity would be given and also confirmed that copies of his opening statement would be circulated as an annex to the "aide memoire" which recorded the pre-lunch discussion. His opening statement would not... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Invitation to Make Presentations Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Opening Strand 2 Plenary Meeting (6 July 1992) Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'A brief statement was agreed'.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The delegations proceeded to make their presentations.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. Delegates stood for a minute's silence in remembrance of those who had lost their lives as a result of the security situation. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Peter Brooke Opening Statement Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of First Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 in Lancaster House, London, on Monday 6 July 1992 Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Following discussion on the precise format for questioning of and responses to opening presentations (Item 4 of draft minute), Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Confidentiality Reminder Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Invitation to DUP and UUP to Deliver Opening Presentations Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The DUP and UUP delivered their opening presentations.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP: Opening Statement to Strand 2 Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
British Government: Strand 2 Agenda Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
John Hume Opening Statement Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The SDLP Analysis of the Nature of the Problem Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Clarification of the SDLP Paper Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This was agreed by all parties.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Agenda Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
on which detailed discussion took place. Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. The UUP delegation asked for clarification on paragraph 7 of the SDLP paper which suggested the Anglo-Irish Agreement was needed to give the Irish Government power to protect Northern Ireland Nationalists but not those in Great Britain. The SDLP... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The Chairman asked for comments on the possible Agenda for Strand 2 which had been drafted at the meeting of 19 June 1992. Following discussions on how the opening presentations and responses to them should be handled, Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
the Agenda was agreed. Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
8. The Government Team sought clarification on whether British and Irish national identities were mutually exclusive. The SDLP delegation agreed they were not, but said that it was not a question of finding a middle ground, but of recognising the... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The Alliance Party delegation asked whether there was a conflict between an aspiration for a sovereign independent state (such as Nationalists had historically sought) and a more integrated Europe of regions. The SDLP delegation responded that the... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
10. The UDUP delegation asked whether it was possible to live in the United Kingdom and not be Unionists. The SDLP delegation agreed that it was. [Editor's Note: In the fuller version of the minutes, the Internal Record, it is clear that this question... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP and UDUP Initial Presentations Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This was agreed by all parties.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Opening Statement Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP: Opening Statement to Strand 2 Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Dr Alderdice, on behalf of the Alliance Party answered questions from other delegations on his opening presentation. Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Procedural Arrangements for Plenary Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'It was agreed'.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Plenary Media Release (7 July 1992) Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'A brief statement was agreed'.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh Mr Rodell Also present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Confidentiality Concerns Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. Members of the Irish Government delegation answered questions from other delegations on their opening presentation. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh Mr Pope Also present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Morrow Mr... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Business Committee Meeting at 10:00 on 15 July 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's note: 'It was agreed'.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Plenary Media Release (8 July 1992) Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr May Mr Rodell Also Present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Morrow Mr... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Third Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 Held in Lancaster House, London, on Wednesday 8 July 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The draft minute...was agreed'.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. Members of the Irish Government delegation continued to answer questions from other delegations on their opening statement. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Hallett Others present: Mr Pawson APNI: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Jones Mr McBride Mr... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Plenary Media Release (15 July 1992) Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'A brief statement was agreed'. We have not found the final version of this document, but this is likely to be the text of it.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. On paragraph 5, the DUP sought clarification of the scope of the term "Anglo-Irish process". The SDLP replied that this reflected their view that the problem had to be addressed in the context of the three relationships, since previous attempts at a... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. On paragraph 6 and 7, the DUP sought clarification of the terms mutual respect" and "mutual expression". The SDLP replied that, prior to the conclusion of the Anglo-Irish Agreement, they considered that no expression had been given to the... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
8. The DUP did not accept that the UK Government had in fact attempted to involve all Northern Ireland parties in the search for solutions. A major section of the Unionist community had, for example, been excluded deliberately from Sunningdale. The... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Fourth Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 Held at Parliament Buildings, Belfast, on Wednesday 15 July 1992 Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The draft minute...was agreed'.] Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report on the Business Committee Meeting Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. The Irish Government delegation continued to answer questions from other delegations on its opening presentation. Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The DUP expressed concern about the absence of a reference in paragraph 16 to the key relationship between Northern Ireland the rest of the United Kingdom. The SDLP replied that this was covered by the reference to "Britain and Ireland". The DUP... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
11. The DUP questioned the reference in paragraph 25 to the Anglo-Irish Agreement as "a permanent mechanism". Did this mean the SDLP were not prepared to contemplate a replacement of the Agreement? The SDLP replied that the reference was intended to... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Plenary Session Media Release (16 July 1992) Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'A brief press statement was agreed'. However, we do not have the final version of the document.] Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
15. On paragraph 32, the DUP asked whether the reference to "exclusion" also covered the Unionist exclusion from the Anglo-Irish Agreement. The SDLP replied that the reference was intended to refer to the exclusion of the Nationalist community from the... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Fifth Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 Held at Parliament Buildings, Belfast, on Thursday 16 July 1992 Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
16. With regard to the reference in paragraph 34 to Franco-German reconciliation, the DUP pointed out that reconciliation would not have been achieved if Germany were still claiming a part of French territory. The SDLP replied that the important... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The draft minute...was agreed'.] Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
17. On paragraph 44, the DUP questioned the suggestion that the security forces had contributed to the problem. The SDLP replied that there undoubtedly had been occasions when actions by the security forces had contributed to the problem. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report from Second Business Committee Meeting Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
13. The DUP, in the light of paragraph 29 of the SDLP document, asked for the SDLP’s definition of the status of Northern Ireland. The SDLP replied that it was evident that Northern Ireland was at present part of the United Kingdom, but it was equally... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. Questioning of the Irish Government Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and the SDLP delegations on their opening presentations was concluded. Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
At the close of the session questioning of the British Government delegation was continuing. Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Liaison Arrangements Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
18. On paragraph 45, the DUP asked what changes the SDLP would be seeking in the RUC and whether they would encourage Catholics to join the force. The SDLP replied that these matters would be addressed at the appropriate point on the agenda. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Plenary Session (17 July 1992) Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'A brief statement was agreed'.] Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Adjournment Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was agreed. The meeting adjourned at 11.35am. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Sixth Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 Held at Parliament Buildings, Belfast, on Friday 17 July 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The draft minute...was agreed.'] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh Also present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Jones Mr McBride Mr... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. During Alliance Party clarification of matters in the SDLP presentation the following main points were made:- a. Paragraph 5. The term "Anglo-Irish" was simply the traditional language. b. Paragraph 7. The Alliance Party considered that there was... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. Questioning of the British Government delegation on its opening statement resumed; Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Postponement of Questioning Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This was agreed.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. Questioning of the UDUP delegation on its opening presentation commenced and was continuing at the adjournment. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Media Release (22 July 1992) Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The statement was agreed.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Seventh Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 Held at Parliament Buildings, Belfast, on Wednesday 21 July 1992 Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. In UUP clarification of the SDLP's presentation, the following main points were made:- a. The UUP made clear, for the avoidance of doubt, that the Union was not up for negotiation. b. Paragraph 10. The SDLP felt that the majority of Nationalists... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The draft minute...was agreed.] Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. Questioning of the UDUP Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and the UK Government delegations on their opening presentations was concluded. Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Chairman to Meet with Delegation Leaders Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection was made to this proposal.] Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Media Release (23 July 1992) Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The statement was agreed.] Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report from Meeting of Delegation Leaders Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report from Business Committee Meeting Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. Questioning of the UUP delegation on its opening presentation was concluded. Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Report of Business Committee meeting 9.3.1992 Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr Hill Mr Rodell Also Present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr McBride Mr... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP Opening Statement Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP: Response to Strand 2 Opening Statements Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Time to Consider Statement Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Draft Media Release (24 July 1992) Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'A statement...was agreed'. We do not have the final version of the statement, but it seems likely that this was the text.] Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
It was agreed that the UDUP should make its statement and that the clarification of both statements should be carried over to the following morning. Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: The report was referred to the All-Party Negotiations and discussed on 29.4.92 at an all-party plenary session 11.35-12.45PM.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP: Agenda Item 6 Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP Opening Statement Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report of Business Committee meeting 9.3.1992 Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Opportunity to Question the Government Team on Their Opening Statement Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and this was given. Talks Secretariat 19 June 1991 Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The Government Team suggested a brief form of words for an agreed press statement and this was accepted with some minor amendments. [A copy of the final version is attached at Annex C]. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Hallett Others present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Morrow Mr Dickson Mr... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team invited the SDLP to put their questions regarding the UUP's document. 2. On paragraph 1 the SDLP asked for clarification of the reference to "the process which brought us all here". The UUP replied that this related to the... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The SDLP asked what was meant by the reference to "a mood of realism at Westminster" in paragraph 2. The UUP replied that this reflected the growing recognition at Westminster that the Anglo Irish Agreement had failed and had to be replaced. 6. The... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
8. With regard to the reference to Articles 2 and 3 of the Irish Constitution in paragraph 6, the SDLP commented that these should be interpreted together with Article 29, which obliged the Government of the Republic of Ireland to resolve international... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
17. The session broke for lunch at 12.45. TALKS SECRETARIAT Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection was made, although we have no record of their responses.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Since position papers are presented as finished pieces rather than for negotiation and amendment by the assembled delegates, we will model them as being dropped following the initial discussion in order to avoid a series of open... Monday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Holding of Strand 1 Meetings in London when Convenient Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
There was no objection in principle to this flexibility. Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Format of Talks Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: This was so.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
11. The SDLP asked whether the UUP really regarded Northern Ireland as being "as British as Finchley", as suggested in paragraph 10, and what implications this had for devolution. The UUP replied that in constitutional terms Northern Ireland was as... Wednesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Timetable: Working in August Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Timetable: Moving of the Inter Governmental Conference Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. In the Minister of State's clarification of the SDLP's presentation, the main points made were as follows:- a. Paragraph 10. The SDLP agreed that during the 5 months of the powersharing Executive there had been a working towards an expression of... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Once questioning has been completed on a party position paper, we are marking it as dropped to keep the model uncluttered.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE Alliance A Morrow Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE Alliance [...] S Close Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] Irish Government N Dorr Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] Irish Government [...] S O hUiginn Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] SDLP D Haughey Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] SDLP [...] B Rodgers Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] UDUP P Robinson Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] UDUP [...] D Vitty Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] UK Government J Hanley Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] UUP K Maginnis Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] UUP [...] J Cunningham Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr Hill Mr Rodell Also present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr McBride Mr... Wednesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: This was so.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Workplan: Item 6 Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The SDLP sought clarification on a number of points in the UUP' s opening statement (a copy of which was circulated with the aide memoire of the plenary session held at Parliament Buildings on 18 June) . The main matters of discussion were as... Wednesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Plenary Timetable and Further Meeting Schedule Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: The minutes of 15 July plenary record that the Chairman reported this proposal.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team also sought clarification of points in the UUP's opening statement. The main matters of discussion were: Paragraph 4. The UUP said that if English people were to come to respect the fact that the Republic of Ireland was a separate,... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Plenary Timetable and Further Meeting Schedule Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection was made to this timetable/schedule.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Schedule for Future Plenary Meetings Thursday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: The minutes of the Plenary session on 17 July show that the Chairman reported this decision.] Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Schedule for Future Plenary Meetings Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: 'The Chairman reported'.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State* Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Mr Watson Also present Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mr Morrow Mr Dickson Mrs Bell Mr... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Session to Commence with the Minister of State in the Chair Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Introductory Comments Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. During Alliance Party clarification of the UDUP presentation, the following main points were made:- (i) page 2, paragraph 1: The statement "The IRA cannot be defeated by political measures alone" represented the UDUP's considered position that other... Wednesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Business Committee Report Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Business Committee Report Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(ii) page 3, last sentence: The UDUP confirmed that they were concerned about the present status of some of the agreed positions having been entered into with both Governments at the beginning of the process. One such example given was the disclosure... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Ninth Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 Held at Parliament Buildings, Belfast, Friday 24 July 1992 Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the signed version of the minute. However, it seems likely that it was accepted without amendment.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP Clarification of the UDUP Position Paper Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Limit Discussions of Talks in Parliament Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Other Matters Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Media Release (2 September 1992) Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the final version of the document, but it seems likely that this was the text of the media release as issued.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Tenth Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 Held at Parliament Buildings, Belfast, Wednesday 2 September 1992 Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The minute was agreed.] Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Authorise Sub-Committee to Continue Work and Report Again Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This was agreed.] Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Next Plenary Date Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The next plenary date was agreed.] Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 2 Media Release (10 September 1992) Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The statement was agreed.] Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
After a brief discussion it was agreed that delegations should be free to publish their own presentations. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Eleventh Plenary Meeting of Strand 2 Held at Parliament Buildings, Belfast, Thursday 10 September 1992 Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The signed version of the minute indicates it was agreed without amendment.] Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report from the Business Committee Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Next Meeting Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Intensify Talks Process and Extend the Session Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no record of this being decided.] Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Draft Media Release: Strand 2: Plenary Session: Day 12: 21 September 1992 Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
xx Monday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Watson Also present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mr Morrow Mr Dickson Mrs Bell Mr McBride SDLP Mr... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Business Committee to Meet to Discuss Intensification of the Talks Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. During the SDLP’s clarification of the UDUP presentation, the following main points emerged:- (i) the various references in the first 3 pages of the UDUP presentation paper to the "military defeat of terrorism" accurately reflected the UDUP's view... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Marsh Also present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mr McBride Mr Morrow Mr Dickson Mrs Bell SDLP Mr... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance Party Presentation to Plenary Session 29.4.92 Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP Presentation to Plenary Session 29.4.92 Wednesday April 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Reading of Composite Obstacles Paper Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Mr Rodell Also present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr McBride Mr... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP Presentation to Plenary Session 29.4.92 Wednesday April 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: No objection was made.] Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Provide Copies of Obstacles Papers to Parties Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
During further SDLP clarification of the DUP presentation, the main points raised were as follows:- (i) in page 19, the DUP confirmed that "Irishman" was a geographical term. People in Northern Ireland were "a race apart" in the sense that they were... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team sought clarification on a number of points in the opening statement made by the UDUP [a copy of which can be found attached to the aide memoire of the meeting held at 10.30 am on 24 June]. The main matters of discussion were as... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Paragraph 75. The UDUP accepted the suggestion that the Secretary of State might have role to play in arbitrating between any future Assembly and the United Kingdom Parliament but said that what they had envisaged was that he would arbitrate where... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. The Alliance Party were then given the opportunity to clarify their understanding of the Secretary of State's opening statement. The main points to emerge were as follows: - Paragraph 12. The Government Team explained that they believed that all... Monday June 1991Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Creation of an Agenda Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP Presentation to Plenary Session 29.4.92 Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Mr Pope Also Present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr McBride SDLP Mr Hume Mr... Monday June 1991Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Sub-Item 1: Channels of Communication and Co-operation Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Mr Watson Also present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Dickson Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr McBride Mr McGarry SDLP Mr Hume Mr Mallon Mr McGrady Mr... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The SDLP also put a number of questions to the Government Team on the nature of the constraints mentioned in paragraph 25 and the following points were made: The European Community. Realistic proposals such as that a future Assembly should maintain... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The UUP then proceeded to pursue their own line of questioning and the following points were made: Paragraph 12. The Government Team agreed that it would be highly detrimental to the Talks process to allow any groups that supported terrorism to be... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. In response to questions from the UDUP for clarification of the Secretary of State's opening statement, the following points were made (a) Paragraph 12 A successful outcome of the talks process would not, of itself, solve Northern Ireland's... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Draft Press Statement 24 June Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP Amendment: Future Meetings Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Power of the Business Committee Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team acknowledged that the Business Committee had no such power. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Amendment: Reference Business Committee Meeting Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UDUP Amendment: Include Party Proposals Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Review Procedures for Distribution of Documents Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Chairman recognised the concern of the delegations and said that should another leak occur he would issue an appropriately worded press release the contents of which might be such as to deter future leaks. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minute of Second Plenary Meeting of Strand 2, Held in Lancaster House, London, on Tuesday 7 July 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The draft minute of the second plenary session was agreed by the delegations and signed by the Chairman.'] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Chairman's Statement on Confidentiality Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The statement was agreed by the delegation leaders.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Adjournment to Consider Alliance Party Proposal Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was agreed. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh Also present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr McBride Mr Morrow Mr... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Clarification on Location of Sub-Committees Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and it was agreed that any part of the Strand 1 deliberations might take place in London, if convenient to all concerned. Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Circulation of Sub-Committee Meetings Minutes Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Workplan Item 6: General Principles and Perceived Political Realities and Requirements Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr Hill Mr Lindsay Also Present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr McBride Mr... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Extension of Time Available for Talks Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UDUP delegation said that they wished to see the maximum degree of flexibility at this point. Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State* Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas* Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr Hill Mr Hallett Mr Rodell Also present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close* Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr Jones Mr... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP Withdraw Comments about Police Authority Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The fact that the comments are withdrawn is minuted.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Plenary Proposals Concerning Committee on Agenda Item 6 (02.09.1992) Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
which was agreed. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Mr Brooker Also present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr McBride Mr Morrow Mr... Wednesday June 1991Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
Sub-Item 4: Constitutional Matters Requiring Consideration Both Consequent upon the Foregoing and Generally Friday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Minister of State Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Mr Rodell Mr Watson Also present Mrs Miller Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Dr McGarry Mr McBride Mr Dickson Mrs Bell Mr Maguire SDLP Mr... Monday July 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Alliance Delegation to Reflect on the Situation Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
3. The Alliance Party undertook to reflect on the situation over the weekend and to bring any new thoughts they might have to the meeting on Monday morning. Thursday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Timetable for Plenary Sessions Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The latter would create difficulties for delegates who were Members of Parliament Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
but it was agreed that senior delegates should be empowered to take decisions as and when required in the absence of the leaders. [Editor's Note: Agreement on the timetable and organisation for plenary sessions is made, and the discussion moves on.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Timetable: Working in August 'as a last resort' Monday March 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
RECORD OF A BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT TEAM AND THE ALLIANCE PARTY, HELD IN PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON 9 MAY 1991 Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R... Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Also present Mr Pawson Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Mr Pope Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeil Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Lindsay Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mr Dickson Mr Morrow Mrs Bell Mr McBridge Also... Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Meeting Adjournment Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Visit of SDLP to Dublin 4.5.92 Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team said that all the delegations were aware of the agreement on confidentiality. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The SDLP delegation said that their visit to Dublin was one of a regular series of contacts to discuss matters of common concern. No question arose of a breech of confidentiality. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Distribution of Business Committee Minutes to All Committee Members in Future Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
In future, the notes of the meetings will be sent directly to the members of the Committee as well as to party leaders. Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Tabling of Papers on the Two Identities in Parallel with Ongoing Discussion of Strand One Issues Wednesday April 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Conclusions of Meeting with Alliance Party on 14 May: Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
10. The Alliance Delegation concluded by indicating that, while they were not likely to create any difficulties over the proposals, it was possible that if the substantive discussions in strand one got into difficulties, others might seek to divert... Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Concerns About the Independent Chairman Speaking to the Press Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team said that they were hoping to be able to arrange for the party leaders to speak to Sir Ninian themselves. Wednesday June 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr DJ R Hill Mr Lindsay Also Present Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Monday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Plenary on Wednesday Monday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government Team replied in the negative. Monday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
RECORD OF A BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT TEAM AND THE ALLIANCE PARTY, HELD IN PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON WEDNESDAY 22 MAY 1991 Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr D J R... Wednesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Condemnation of Press Leaks Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Alliance Party joined these exchanges stating that their document had most certainly not been formally released, yet they could also confirm that photocopied versions of each opening presentation paper had been given to a journalistic source. The... Monday June 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Parties Should Indicate Areas to be Covere by Terms of Reference and Standing Orders Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The minutes do not record an Alliance response.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Strand 2 Location: Parliament Buildings Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The minutes do not record any Alliance objection to this, so we assume it was accepted.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
RECORD OF A BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT TEAM AND THE ALLIANCE PARTY, HELD IN PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON TUESDAY 28 MAY 1991 Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks... Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two: As Amended in Meeting with Alliance Party Delegation 28 May 1991 Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
RECORD OF A BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT TEAM AND THE ALLIANCE PARTY, HELD IN PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THURSDAY 30 MAY 1991 Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks... Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Revision of the Strand 2 Guidelines Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Alliance Party took note. Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
3. Continuing, Dr Alderdice said that this was not the first occasion during the talks when the Alliance Party had felt compromised by how things were developing. They had also sustained damage after Duisberg by holding to their integrity. They now... Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Remaining Issues for Discussion: Workplan and Independent Chairman Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeil Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Marsh Also Present: Mr Pawson Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Meeting Adjournment Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Monday June 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Independent Chairman Selection Monday June 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Alliance Party took note. Monday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Government Team: Minister of State Mr Thomas Talks Secretariat: Mr Pope Party Rerpresentatives: Mr Close Mr Haughey Mr Robinson Rev Smyth Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Intensify Talks Process Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team suggested this be referred to a business committee under the Minister of State's chairmanship with a single representative from each of the party delegations. It was agreed prior to the end of this session that the parties'... Monday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Intensify Talks Process Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
2. The Minister of State said that he wished to review the possibility of intensifying the Strand One process by either extending the working day or by extending the working week. Three 'hard' working days might be the best way forward, leaving time... Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
3. Mr Haughey said that the SDLP delegation had discussed the issue and Mr McGrady and Mr Mallon had noted that the Parliamentary timetable on the following two Thursdays (27 June and 4 July) was imposing an extra load on them. Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
4. The Minister of State noted that 1 July would not be a working day and agreed with Mr Robinson's suggestion that the arrangements for that week be reviewed during the course of next week. Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Meeting on 16 July Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The Minister of State said this was an interesting suggestion! Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Mr Haughey felt that the question could be reviewed after the present week's business - a late night finish would pose difficulties for SDLP delegates since, as well as having to attend internal party meetings, some of them were faced with long... Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
SDLP Additional Room Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The Minister of State asked Mr Pope to take this forward with Mr Townson (NB: This request was passed to Mr Townson immediately after the meeting). Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Next meeting Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
He would discuss this further with the party representatives. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The SDLP inquired as to whether anyone could have confidence in a process whereby members of it were deliberately trying to sabotage the position of others. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UUP responded to this by stating that it was not positive enough in tone. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD IN PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 1 JULY 1992 Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Maccabe Mr D J R Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr Smith Also Present Mr... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Secretary of State's Statement to Plenary (1 July 1992) Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Business Committee Meeting Followed by Plenary Meeting Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. This was agreed by all party delegations without comment. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Correction of Paragraph 6 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was noted. The final text of that statement is attached. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. The UDUP delegation sought clarification on the Secretary of State's statement. They noted that, in paragraph 5, HMG would be willing to facilitate the implementation of the institutional arrangements outlined in the sub-Committee report of 10 June,... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. In response to a question from the UDUP delegation, the Government Team confirmed that references to the sub-Committee report in the Secretary of State's statement included references to the supplementary report produced on 16 June. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Confidentiality Issues Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
In discussion, the UDUP delegation commented that if the Irish Government made comments about the Talks, it was entitled to reply. It was noted that as the Talks moved into the remaining strands, the Irish Government would be bound by the confidentiality rule. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Thanks to Delegations and Government Team Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Thanks were exchanged without any debate or objections.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Giving Chairman and Irish Government Strand 1 Papers Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The UDUP delegation noted that paragraph 7 of the Secretary of State's statement referred to the belief that it was in everyone's interest that the Talks process as a whole should achieve an unambiguous consensus on the constitutional position of... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'It was agreed'.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Question Regarding Date of First Strand 2 Meeting Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
...the Government Team ventured the view that Sir Ninian Stephen might be in a position to call the first meeting in Strand II as early as next Monday 6 July. Wednesday July 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Welcome and Thanks for Proposals Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Confidentiality Issue Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Alliance Proposals for a New System of Government Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
and was questioned by the other parties. The UUP and DUP delegations noted that Alliance proposed to exclude parties which support the use of violence from participation in the Executive, and asked whether that would also apply to the proposed... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
6. The DUP delegation accepted that the Alliance proposals broadly met the agreed Common Principles, but expressed doubts that the proposals would meet the principles of acceptability, durability and stability. They believed that any new structures... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Working Document: Workplan Item 6 Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The DUP said that before substantive discussion commenced they wished to record their view that the document was unbalanced in that it gave undue attention to the rights of the minority without taking due account of the rights of the majority. The... Tuesday June 1991Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
2. The Government Team proposed continuing the discussion of the Alliance Party paper. They said that a consensus appear to be emerging that there was a degree of inherent instability in the sort of Executive envisaged by the Alliance. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
3. The SDLP delegation clarified their position: although the Alliance proposal for appointing an Executive had inherent weaknesses, the SDLP agreed with them on the need for an Executive in which both sides of the community were represented. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
16. The DUP delegation asked how far the Alliance proposals were compatible with the requirements of accountability and scrutiny. If all parties were represented in the Cabinet or Executive, there would effectively be no opposition, since back bench... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
4. The UUP delegation said that while they were willing to take the Alliance document as a basis for negotiation, there was a danger in spending too much time at this stage discussing the detail of each paper. What was needed first was the... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
5. The UUP delegation sought clarification of the future role of the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland in the Alliance proposals. Was his role confined to the formation of the Executive? Would he continue to act as the Northern Ireland voice in... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
10. The Government Team asked about the power of individual Executive members under the Alliance proposals. What would an Executive member of a minority party, for example, do if he failed in getting proposals for legislation approved by the Executive... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
17. The SDLP delegation expressed concern that there was no explicit reference in the Alliance paper to the wider relationships which were the root of the problem. How did the Alliance envisage these relationships impacting on their proposed... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
18. The DUP delegation noted the Alliance Party's proposals on finance and said they would wish to discuss these at the appropriate time. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Discussion of Bill of Rights Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Meeting Adjournment Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
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SDLP Paper 'Agreeing New Political Structures' Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
10. In response to a question from the Government Team. the SDLP team said that the degree of power to be transferred to new institutions was a matter for negotiation. They tended to agree with the DUP and Alliance Party view that the maximum amount of... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
18. The Alliance team said that their main concern was the test of workability. It was apparent that there was no willingness around the table to work the full range of the SDLP's proposals. The reality was that any proposals had to recognise the fears... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
5. The UUP team said that they had read the SDLP paper with interest. It had occurred to them that three of the four papers had many points in common and would lend themselves to consideration in parallel, whereas one paper was of a different order.... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
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Ref: SC/2 STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE MEETING: 12 MAY 1992 Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Priestly Also Present Mr Smyth Alliance Mr Morrow Mr Close Mr McBride SDLP Mr Haughey Mr Farren Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
REF: SC/INT/3 INTERNAL RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 12 MAY 1992 Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Hallett Others present Mr Smyth Alliance Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
11. The UDUP team said that they were saddened by the SDLP document. Like the UUP, they agreed that it was contrary to the 26 March statement in several respects. The 26 March statement reaffirmed Northern Ireland's status within the UK but that status... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
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Ref: SC/4 RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON 12 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker In Attendance Mr A Smyth Alliance Party Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
REF: SC/5 SUMMARY RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 12 MAY Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr May Others present Mr Smyth Alliance Mr Morrow Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
2. The sub-Committee recommenced its discussion of the SDLP paper. The Alliance Party delegation suggested that those who framed the SDLP document did not properly understand the Protestant community if they believed that community could accept a... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
4. The SDLP delegation returned to their analysis of the problem, based on the concept of identity. The Northern Ireland system of Government had collapsed twenty years ago largely because the state took account of only one side of the community. The... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The UDUP delegation sought a response to the question of whether the majority community could accept the proposals. The SDLP responded that inevitably there would be some difficult elements to sell to the community, but that was a job for the... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
5. The Alliance Party asked how the three elected representatives might work together and with the three appointees. The SDLP suggested that the elected representatives would obtain political authority from their direct election. There would be great... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
7. The UDUP delegation asked for the SDLP view of what had caused the failure of the Sunningdale Agreement. The SDLP suggested there were a range of explanations. The UDUP said that if Unionists had not felt able to accept the power-sharing Executive,... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
14. The Government Team asked whether the SDLP envisaged a separate judicial institution concerned with 'human rights' to complete the separation of powers as, for example, in the EC and US. The SDLP explained that they saw some judicial structure in... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
8. The UUP challenged the SDLP assertion that Northern Ireland would remain a part of the United Kingdom. They saw the proposals as an embryonic condominium proposal based on the new Ireland Forum conclusions and SDLP 1975 Convention paper. A major... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
9. The Government Team asked how collective responsibility might work within the Commission. The SDLP said it would work in the same way as it did within the European Commission. The Government Team asked how the Commission would relate to the Assembly... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Meeting Adjournment Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Sub-Committee Press Release Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The press release is agreed by all parties.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Sub-Committee Assistance Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This was agreed by the Government Team, and so we assume that it was at the behest of the other parties.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
REVISED REF: SC/6 RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 13 MAY Those present: Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr May Also present Mr Smyth Alliance... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Breach of Confidentiality Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
15. In response to an Alliance Party question, the SDLP suggested the Assembly would be able to disrupt its own working, but not that of the Executive. The SDLP envisaged the need to give the Assembly real power, but not to allow it to paralyse the... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Party Leaders Meeting to Discuss Leak Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Do a Deal with Journalists Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
It was agreed this might be considered on Friday. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Statement on Leak Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
UUP Paper 'Arrangements for the Internal Government and Administration of Northern Ireland' Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
10. The Alliance Party delegation asked about the electoral system, focussing on the under-representation of minorities under the "first past the post" system which the UUP said they preferred. The UUP delegation explained that demographics would... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
REVISED REF: SC/7 SUMMARY RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 13 MAY Those present: Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Hallett Also present Mr... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Two Plus One Formula Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The minutes do not refer to this again, so we assume it was accepted without objection by all parties.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
13. The SDLP delegation said they found the UUP paper a severe disappointment. As well as being short, it contained nothing new. It largely consisted of the proposals made in their "Way Forward" document published during the last Assembly, with minor... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
15. The UUP delegation said it was important not to see their proposals in isolation. They had sought to accommodate the different identities in two specific ways. Firstly, by leaving open the question of institutional arrangements with the Republic of... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
2. The UUP delegation questioned an earlier reference by the SDLP delegation to 30% of the people of Northern Ireland regarding themselves as Irish. In fact 100% of the people of Northern Ireland can regard themselves as Irish if they so wish. The SDLP... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
24. The Government Team invited the DUP to comment on the UUP paper. The DUP delegation replied that the purpose of the session was clarification and they felt that they already had a clear understanding of the UUP proposals. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
25. The Government Team invited the SDLP to indicate what safeguards for the minority community they would like to see in any new system. The SDLP delegation replied that this was an invitation to negotiate, whereas the purpose of the current... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
REVISED REF: SC/8 SUMMARY RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 13 MAY Those present: Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Lindsay Also present Mr A... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
REVISED REF: SC/9 SUMMARY RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 13 MAY Those present: Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr May Also present Mr... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Minute of Discussions for Plenary Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
3. The SDLP delegation said that other parties had criticised their proposals for failing to reflect views other than their own, but the opening of the UUP document failed to give any recognition to the Nationalist identity and reflected the old... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
9. The SDLP delegation asked whether the UUP seriously expected them to recommend these proposals to their community. The UUP delegation replied that people would make up their minds on the package as a whole rather than on the outcome of any... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
24. The Government Team suggested the Committee consider how to report back to Plenary. Mr Hanley said he had to leave at 18.15 but was willing for the Committee to continue to meet under Mr Fell's chairmanship were that considered appropriate. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Suspension of Discussion Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Sub-Committee Press Release Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The press release was agreed by all parties.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
REF: SC/10 SUMMARY RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 15 MAY Those present: Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Whysall Also present Mr A Smyth Alliance... Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
14. The Government Team said that they recognised that the UUP were merely providing an outline structure but this did not appear to indicate how representatives of the minority community could avoid always being overruled. 15. The UUP delegation said... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
17. The Alliance delegation asked about the arrangements for co-ordinating the activities of the varies Committees. The UUP delegation replied that some co-ordination of Committee activity would be essential but they had not formed definitive views as... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
19. The SDLP delegation said that the UUP proposals were open to the charge that they were designed to avoid the appearance of an Executive, whereas the Chairmen of the Committees would in practice be a form of Executive. The UUP delegation rejected... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
26. The Government Team asked the UUP for clarification of how the new system would interact with Westminster during its initial phase. How would the Northern Ireland Civil Service operate with what would be in effect two sets of masters. The UUP... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This was so decided by the chairman.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
2. The Government Team apologised that, as recorded in SC/9, the sub-Committee's discussion on 13 May had had to be suspended because of time constraints. The party leaders had decided that they could not place the sub-Committee's provisional report in... Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Amendments to Minutes Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Re-Issues of Meetings Incorporating Amendments Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Thanks of the Secretary of State Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
REF: SC/11 SUMMARY RECORD OF A MEETING OF THE STRUCTURES SUB-COMMITTEE AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 15 MAY Those present: Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Smith Mr May Also present Mr A... Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
27. The SDLP delegation asked whether it was intended that the Committee would operate on the basis of collective responsibility. The UUP delegation replied that Committees never operated in this way. The UUP were attempting to find practical ways in... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The Government Team invited the SDLP to continue their examination of the UUP's submission. 2. The SDLP Team asked how the Chairman and Deputy Chairman of each executive Committee would be chosen in relation to party strengths in any Assembly. The UUP... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
DUP Paper 'A Sure Advance' Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The Government Team commented that this might be an appropriate subject for a separate sub-Committee. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC2 Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC3 Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC3 Amendments Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The DUP delegation were asked to provide a form of words to meet their concern. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
It was agreed that the Talks Secretariat would arrange for the minutes to be resubmitted with amendments. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
6. The SDLP Team acknowledged that, unlike the UUP submission, the UDUP paper had the merit of endeavouring to link proposals to agreed principles and there was also some evidence that SDLP concerns had been addressed. If the task in the talks was just... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
8. The SDLP said they understood the UDUP to be in favour of the maximum delegation of authority to new institutions. In that case was there not a need for an executive co-ordinating authority to take general policy-making decisions. It would not... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
23. The Government Team suggested there was a separate issue of symbolic recognition which the SDLP had not answered to the UDUP's satisfaction. This was separate from the pragmatic arguments. The SDLP commented that their proposals had provided... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: Both documents are not discussed again, so we assume the amended versions were accepted by all parties. A revised version was circulated and is preserved in the Alderdice Archive.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: Both documents are not discussed again, so we assume the amended versions were accepted by all parties. A revised version was circulated and is preserved in the Alderdice Archive.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
4. The Alliance Party delegation expressed their recognition of the considerable movement forward the UDUP paper represented. It was a clear attempt to be constructive and to measure up to the Common Themes and Common Principles papers that had been... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
25. The SDLP asked whether they could clarify their position from the earlier debate, as they feared it had not been fully understood by the other participants. The SDLP explained that they saw themselves as exclusively Irish, and identifying with the... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC4 Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC5 Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC4 Amendments Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC5 Amendments Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
4. The UDUP delegation said the SDLP had now defined the Irish identity in a new way. Previously it had been simply the idea of kinship with an entity with which one was associated; the DUP appreciated that. But it had now also taken on the meaning in... Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
7. The Alliance Party delegation said it had been disturbed by the SDLP's statement, although recognising that it was an attempt to clarify a problematic matter. Their understanding was that the SDLP's interpretation of identity had changed; the goal... Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC2 Amendments (DUP Proposal) Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
and accepted. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: Amendments for both documents are accepted.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
These minutes will be re-issued as amended. [Editor's Note: Both documents are not discussed again, so we assume the amended versions were accepted by all parties.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: Both documents are not discussed again, so we assume the amended versions were accepted by all parties.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC6 Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC7 Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC8 Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC9 Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Structures Sub-Committee Minutes SC10 Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
10. The SDLP delegation moved on to other points. It made clear that it accepted the Unionist requirement to have the Unionist identity protected by membership of the UK. Its proposals had been represented as taking Northern Ireland out of the UK... Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC6 Amendments Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The amendments were incorporated into the revised version of the minutes.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC7 Amendments Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The amendments were incorporated into the revised version of the minutes.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC8 Amendments Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The amendments were incorporated into the revised version of the minutes.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC9 Amendments Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The amendments were incorporated into the revised version of the minutes.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
SC10 Amendments Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The amendments were incorporated into the revised version of the minutes.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Revised versions of these minutes are attached. Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: All documents are not discussed again, so we assume the amended versions were accepted by all parties.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: All documents are not discussed again, so we assume the amended versions were accepted by all parties.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: All documents are not discussed again, so we assume the amended versions were accepted by all parties.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: All documents are not discussed again, so we assume the amended versions were accepted by all parties.] Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Apology for Delay Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Thanks to Structures Sub-Committee Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The minutes do not record any objections to this decision, and so we assume it was agreed by all parties.] Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Draft Press Release 15 May 1992 Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and this was agreed. Friday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Other delegations agreed that they would happily participate in such activity. Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Draft Press Statement Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
which was agreed by the parties. Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Presentation of Structures Proposals Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The SDLP then present their approach, so we assume that this was accepted without objection.] Monday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
and the Government Team reasserted the importance of press confidentiality, and urged restraint if approached by journalists. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
but all delegations agreed that the talks could proceed into August if required. Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: The SDLP concern was noted.] Monday March 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
17. The SDLP asked about the external affairs committee. The UDUP saw it having a role in terms of linking into European institutions. They did not preclude direct contact between committee chairmen and vice-chairmen with the respective Ministers of... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
18. Further discussion on the status of chairmen followed. The UDUP commented that the chairmen of committees could all sit on a Business Committee. The SDLP suggested that their understanding of the extent of the role given to the Business Committee... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Report from the Sub-Committee Established on 11 May Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
It was agreed this would form the provisional report back of the sub-Committee to the Plenary session on Friday morning. Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report from the Sub-Committee Established on 11 May Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Plenary would meet again on Monday, and possibly Tuesday, for full discussion on the proposed new political structures. Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
7. The Government Team said it was important for the process to continue as planned, in order to ensure whoever was responsible for the leak did not gain a victory. They said there would be a leaders' meeting at 10.30 am on Friday at which the... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The position papers were then discussed alongside the sub-committee report in 18th June Plenary.] Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Common Realities and Common Themes Document Be Revised by the Business Committee Wednesday April 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The position papers were then discussed alongside the sub-committee report in 18th June Plenary.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
9. In response to a further SDLP question on how the committee structure would tackle issues such as the Next Step proposals, the UDUP explained that one department would take overall charge of the policy and consult with others as necessary. The... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
19. The SDLP asked about the future of the NICS, and who the Head of the NICS would report to in political terms. The UDUP did not see the NICS any differently from the present. It would divide itself into departments, taking account of the committee... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The position papers were then discussed alongside the sub-committee report in 18th June Plenary.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The position papers were then discussed alongside the sub-committee report in 18th June Plenary.] Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The SDLP, at this point, sought to clarify their position as expressed in the record of the sub-Committee. The UDUP delegation did not accept their clarification. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Adjournment Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
16. The Alliance delegation referred back to an earlier point made by the SDLP delegation about the Unionist Commissioners having the power to veto proposals advocated by others and pointed out that the European and Irish appointed Commissioners would... Monday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
14. The UDUP said they thought it likely that the chairmen of committees would acquire the same status as Ministers. That was what had happened in 1982-86. The SDLP replied that that was purely a media status. Executive status was needed for dealings... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
20. In response to a question from the SDLP. the UDUP said it envisaged any links between chairmen and ministers in the Republic of Ireland as being on an ad hoc basis. There may be further relationships as a consequence of Strand II discussions. The... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns.] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Circulation of Meeting Records Issue Monday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
It suggested that in reporting on the work of the sub-Committee, it should be made clear that discussions had not been completed, and that Plenary should be invited to agree to further meetings of the sub-Committee taking place, perhaps on Friday.... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
4. The DUP delegation said they had considered whether it was proper to continue the deliberations given the lack of trust which the leak would engender, but had concluded that whoever was responsible for leaking the document should not be allowed to... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Agreeing New Political Structures Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team took note, and undertook to make enquiries. Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Revised Draft of Realities and Common Themes Paper Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Organisation of Meetings Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
18. The UDUP delegation wished to make one point about Sunningdale. It had been said that Sunningdale had involved everyone. This was not so; among Unionists, only the Faulkner wing of the Ulster Unionist Party had been present. Neither the UDUP, nor... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
19. The Government Team, adjourning the talks for tea, stressed the importance of the Common Themes, and especially Theme 15, with its emphasis on realism. Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Division of the Realities and Common Themes Into Two Separate Papers Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The Alliance Party delegation, commenting on the SDLP's proposals, said it was not easy to know where to begin. They acknowledged that the SDLP had based their paper on their analysis of the problems, but the Alliance Party did not agree with that... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
18. The UDUP delegation asked how it was possible that the Government of Northern Ireland would be equivalent to any other part of the United Kingdom when there would be a Minister appointed from a foreign power and from the EC. The SDLP delegation, in... Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr May Also Present Mr Smyth Alliance Party Mr Close Mr Morrow SDLP Mr Durkan Mr Farren UDUP Mr Robinson Mr Vitty UUP Mr Cunningham Mr Empey Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Attendance of Mr Haughey on SDLP Team Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
After discussion, it was agreed that to accommodate the request would be a bad precedent. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Plenary Timetable Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The Ulster Unionist Party delegation opened by referring to the way that successive Secretaries of State had gone on record about the status of Northern Ireland within the United Kingdom. British Ministers, and the then Prime Minister had made... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The minutes do not refer further, so we assume the arrangement was agreed by all parties without objection.] Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Jeremy Hanley as Substitute for Secretary of State when Unavailable Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The delegations agreed to this. Monday May 1992Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Government Team: Minister of State Mr Thomas Talks Secretariat: Mr DJR Hill Party Delegates: Mr Close (APNI) Mr Haughey (SDLP) Mr Robinson (UDUP) Mr Cunningham (UUP) Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Workplan Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Provisional Chairman Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The parties were content with this. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Expression of Gratitude for Maintaining Confidentiality Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
13. The UDUP delegation opened by quoting at length from the Belfast Telegraph editorial of 13 May 1992. The editorial made it clear the SDLP's proposals could not be acceptable or workable. The proposals were described as anti-democratic and... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
10. The Government Team thanked the SDLP delegation for its response and asked two points of clarification. Firstly, it recognised that on the current SDLP plans the Executive would be responsible for initiating legislation and that the Assembly would... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Adjournment Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Order of Discussion Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was agreed. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Adjournment Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Changes to Payment of Daily Allowances Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
5. The DUP delegation said that when the Business Committee was only intending to discuss procedural issues there would be no call to pay allowances to anyone except Committee members. However, they pointed out that when matters of substance were to be... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The Government Team invited the SDLP to respond to the comments on their paper made in the previous session. 3. The SDLP delegation said that they found some of the comments outrageous and a total misinterpretation of what was in their paper, which... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
11. The Government Team's second point was the comparison drawn between the SDLP's paper and the European Community. Without in any way wishing to appear partisan, it questioned how valuable the EC was as a comparison. There was a substantial... Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The SDLP delegation pointed out that a ruling such as the one proposed by the Government Team might result in delays. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
10. Asked if their proposals were innovative, the UUP delegation said that whilst some of the ideas contained in their paper had been considered over a number of years they had not actually been tried before and were therefore effectively new. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Adjournment and Need for Some Agreement Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
13. The Government Team reflected on the earlier comments of the Alliance delegation. The quotations from Garrett Fitzgerald were, it said, an encouragement to Unionists towards devolution. The then Taoiseach had said to Mrs Thatcher that the SDLP... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
14. The UUP delegation said that there had been substantial debate in the sub-Committee to clarify how the SDLP define the nationalist identity and how that identity should be expressed. The Unionists deserved similar treatment. The difficulty with the... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The Government Team suggested the helpful discussion of the morning should be continued, without any constraints on timescale for the moment. 3. The DUP delegation commented on the SDLP paper. It had been said that the proposals drew on European... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Draft Press Statement Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The statement is agreed by all parties.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEETING: 29 APRIL 1992 Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Smith Also Present Mr Smyth Alliance Party Mr Close Mr Morrow SDLP Mr Durkan Mr Farren UDUP Mr Robinson Mr Vitty UUP Mr Cunningham Mr Empey Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Minutes of Business Committee 29 April 1992 Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The UDUP delegation was however anxious to reply to a point made earlier by the SDLP to the effect that the authority of the UK Parliament had in effect been overcome in 1912 by threats from the UVF. That same Parliament, it should be noted, had... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. In reply to a question, the SDLP delegation emphasised that its proposals were not intended to lead to a united Ireland behind closed doors; they had indeed been the first nationalist party to say that a united Ireland could not happen unless the... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
8. The UDUP delegation would be at one with the SDLP in agreeing there was a conflict of identities; but there would be a disagreement over the definition of identities, which the SDLP sought to express in the new structures. What the SDLP called... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The UDUP delegation raised the conformity of the SDLP proposals with one of the Common Principles, which stressed that new structures needed to be based on democratic principles. Here there was a partially nominated top tier, and the elected... Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
were agreed without amendment. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
20. The UUP delegation intervened at this point to say that what was agreed in any one strand had to be looked at in terms of the overall context. The outcome would hopefully be "an agreed Ireland". The SDLP delegation said that they accepted that.... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
3. The UUP and UDUP delegates expressed the view that the proposed initial presentations should be in writing with an opportunity for subsequent questions intended to clarify the position of the party concerned; that the order of the items in the aide... Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Adjournment Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Draft Workplan As Amended by Sub-Plenary Meeting on 28 May Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. To a question from the SDLP team about a reference in paragraph 5 of the DUP document about preventing those who seek to effect change through support for terrorism from corrupting the structure. The UDUP delegation said that the reference was not... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
10. In response to a question, the SDLP delegation said they did not envisage that those who appointed Commissioners would contribute to the budget of Northern Ireland in the same proportions, but would be prepared to discuss that. The UDUP delegation... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
11. The Alliance Party delegation questioned whether the operation of the proposed Commission could be satisfactory, if all six members had a veto. The outside members might exercise their veto for self interested reasons. There was also the question... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
12. The UDUP delegation believed that the SDLP proposals could never command the endorsement of the Unionist community. That community had firmly rejected the Anglo-Irish Agreement which gave what some called a merely consultative role to the Irish... Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
It was agreed that the Business Committee would meet again on Monday 4 May at 11.00 am to discuss the revised document on common themes which would be provided to delegations on Friday 1 May. This, when agreed, could be presented to plenary on Tuesday... Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
14. The Government Team invited the Alliance Party delegation to give its view of the acceptability of the SDLP proposals. The Alliance Party delegation recalled its experience at the time of the Anglo-Irish Agreement. There had been reservations about... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Adjournment and Resumed Plenary Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The SDLP team indicated that they had only very minor points and it was therefore agreed that the resumed Plenary would simply consider the Press Statement for the day. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
5. In discussion it was agreed: Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Paragraph 1 Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
It was further agreed that: Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Paragraph 3 Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
6. It was further agreed that: Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Paragraph 1 Phrasing Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
6. It was further agreed that: Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Paragraph 3 Phrasing Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
17. The SDLP delegation stressed that the realities to be confronted were formidable. Since Northern Ireland had been created as a separate entity, there had never been a normal situation; there had been periodic recourse to internment, and war for the... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. The meeting resumed its discussion of the SDLP proposals. The UDUP delegation suggested that the SDLP proposals would entrench community divisions rather than avoiding them. The SDLP delegation disagreed, suggesting that while perceptions of... Monday May 1992Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
6. It was further agreed that: Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Remove Passages Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
6. It was agreed that: Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Conflation Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
7. The Government Team undertook to circulate a second draft of the workplan by the following morning to enable the party delegates to discuss it with their colleagues before a further meeting arranged for 10.30 am on 29 May. Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Thanks for Proposals Debate Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The Government Team asked, given that nothing could emerge from the Commission without the agreement of Unionists, whether the implication was that proposals with widespread support could be blocked by an Irish Commissioner. The SDLP delegation said... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. The UDUP asked about the future of the SDLP's proposals if there was sizeable opposition to the structure, though less than a majority. If an anti-commission candidate system was elected, then the system would be paralysed. The SDLP explained that... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Next Plenary and Bilaterals Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Talks Statement Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The minutes do not refer to this again, so we assume it is accepted without objection by all parties.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The draft was agreed by the party delegations without amendment (copy attached). Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Plenary Meetings Minutes Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team said that arrangements had been made to have the minutes produced and circulated within 24 hours. Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This paper is not debated in detail again, and so we have modelled it as dropped.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This paper is not debated in detail again, and so we have modelled it as dropped.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
12. The UUP delegation suggested the SDLP had tried to achieve too much in their paper. The problems of identity they had referred to frequently might be accommodated in the three-stranded process as a whole. As the current structure of the talks stood... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This paper is not debated in detail again, and so we have modelled it as dropped.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The SDLP paper is not debated in detail again, and so we have modelled it as dropped.] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance Proposals for a New System of Government Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The SDLP delegation said they would be questioning the Alliance on two broad fronts, firstly the details and secondly the validity of the proposals in terms of broad issues. They began by asking detailed questions on the executive body. The SDLP... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The Government Team invited the UUP delegation to continue the questioning of the Alliance Party proposals. 3. The UUP delegation began by stating its general reflections of the Alliance proposals and by complimenting the Alliance delegation on its... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Government Team: Minister of State Mr Thomas Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Hallett Party Representatives: Mr Close (APNI) Mr Haughey (SDLP) Mr Robinson (UDUP) Mr Cunningham (UUP) Wednesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection was made.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Break for Preparation of Composite Agenda Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Party Representatives' Observations Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
22. The Minister for Foreign Affairs said that that seemed very reasonable given that we were fortunate to have representatives of the parties present. Strand 3 was, as all were agreed, between the two Governments only. However, he agreed that it would... Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
12. The SDLP delegation, coming to the issue of acceptability, asked what would happen once an executive failed the acceptability test. They suggested that the arrangements put forward by the Alliance Party were unworkable. The Alliance Party said were... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance: Statement to Strand Three Agenda-Setting Meeting Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP: Statement to Strand Three Agenda-Setting Meeting Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP: Statement to Strand 3 Agenda-Setting Meeting Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The UUP delegation then began some detailed questioning of the Alliance Party proposals. Asked whether they accepted that the 1973 operation was not vulnerable to the people, the Alliance delegation responded that it must have been vulnerable as it... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP: Statement to Strand 3 Agenda-Setting Meeting Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Circulation of Party Statements Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection was made to this.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection was made.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Thanks Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Joint Press Statement (30 June 1992) Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The DUP delegation felt that the Alliance proposals broadly conformed with the Common Themes and almost all of the Common Principles. The skeleton of their proposals was, they deemed, reasonably acceptable unlike that of the SDLP's though they... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The Government Team said that the central question appeared to be recognition of minority rights and identities. How would this be achieved by the UUP proposals? The UUP delegation replied that Committees would be made up in proportion to the... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. The SDLP delegation then enquired about the arrangements for co-ordination across an Executive Committee System. They suggested that committees would be susceptible to blocking and would be likely to champion their own spending plans. Effective... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Adjournment Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Monday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
MEETING WITH THE PRIME MINISTER, AT 10 DOWNING STREET, 11.2.92 Present: J Major T King P Brooke B Mawhinney J Chilcott J Molyneaux J Hume I Paisley J Alderdice Tuesday February 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Business Committee Meeting: 4 May 1992 Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr May Also Present Mr Smyth Alliance Party Mr Close Mr Morrow SDLP Mr Farren Mr Durkan (part) Mr Haughey (part) UDUP Mr Robinson Mr Vitty UUP... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Arrangements for the Internal Government and Administration of Northern Ireland Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The SDLP delegation sought confirmation that decisions would be taken by simple majority. The UUP delegation agreed, but pointed out that divisions in the Assembly on social and economic issues were unlikely to arise along the lines of the... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
14. This prompted the UDUP delegation to ask whether Sunningdale had represented a betrayal of the nationalist community by the SDLP as it had not provided a role for the Irish Government in the internal affairs of Northern Ireland. The SDLP delegation... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Introductory Statement Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
J Molyneaux argues for new AIA and removal of Arts 2 & 3 Tuesday February 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. The Government Team then invited the Alliance delegation to put their questions to the UUP. 8. The Alliance delegation asked why the UUP appeared to favour a modified list system of proportional representation. The UUP delegation replied that this... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
17. The SDLP delegation expressed concern at the failure of the UUP proposals to acknowledge the Irish identity of the minority community and doubt about the nature of any surprise in store for them in Strand 2. They suggested that it would be better... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
J Hume reiterates his 'analysis' Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
J Alderdice - violence is politically motivated - solution needs cooperation on political and security level (repressive measures are the opposite of cooperation between the community and the security forces and will reduce intelligence) - solution... Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
I Paisley rejects the analysis, spends five minutes telling the PM why he should not have invited JA, (wants Kilfedder), would go for Independence if no better outcome, failed security policy (gives file), opposition to RIR (TK disagrees), insists that... Tuesday February 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
11. The Government Team asked if the SDLP’s concerns about safeguards for minority views would be met if the Secretary of State were given a supervisory role in ensuring that any safeguards in the new system operated fairly. The UUP delegation replied... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A Sure Advance Wednesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
PM sums up - - we all agree on opposition to terrorism - we all support RUC in dealing with terrorism - prepared to give resources to security forces - Govt is committed to staying in NI (No Brits Out) - institutionalizing of meeting of 2 PM's (knows... Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Edtior's note: This statement is not discussed further] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Joint Statement Tuesday February 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The UUP delegation resumed by continuing its response to the question from the SDLP delegation regarding the safeguard mechanism involving referral to the Secretary of State. The UUP did not envisage going for outside assistance all of the time and... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
21. The DUP delegation asked whether the SDLP were saying that there had to be an Irish Government involvement in the internal Northern Ireland structures. The SDLP delegation replied that they were looking for the essence of their identity to be... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: This was so.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Nature and Order of Questioning Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
it was agreed that questions of clarification could be taken immediately while questions and comments on substance should be taken after the completion of all presentations. Monday June 1991Committee: Briefing Meetings
Government: Messrs Mawhinney,Fell,Semple Alliance : Messrs Dickson, Campbell, Jones,McBride Sdlp : Ms Ritchie,Messrs Haughey,Durkan,Farran,Fee UU : Ms Bradford,Empey,Allan,Donaldson DUP : Ms Pais ley,Robinson,WiIson,McCrea,Vitty Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
Call to Order Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
[Editor's note: The minutes do not contain start and end times] Monday February 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
Introduction Monday February 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
11. When it was suggested that the UUP proposals showed no sign of any readiness to accommodate the Irish identity in the structures of government in Northern Ireland the UUP delegation said that they had given nothing because they had nothing to give... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
23. The Government Team intervened in an attempt to clarify the debate. The SDLP were saying that the DUP proposals reflected a unionist identity since they were put forward in the context of Northern Ireland's continued status as part of the United... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The SDLP delegation were invited to continue their questioning of the UDUP paper. They said that the discussion before the coffee break was getting to the heart of the issue, that is that Strand 1 was essentially about relationships within Northern... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Briefing Meetings
[Editor's note: Start and end times are not recorded in the minutes] Monday February 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The Government Team then invited the Alliance Party to put their questions. 5. The Alliance delegation said that they found the paper a very clear statement of position. They asked the reason for the size of membership proposed. The DUP delegation... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
3. The SDLP delegation indicated that they were likely to table a paper giving their views of the two identities on 5 May. Monday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
13. The Government Team then invited the SDLP to put their questions. 14. The SDLP delegation said that before putting their detailed questions, they wished to address the wider context. They asked what in the DUP proposals had the potential to weld... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The SDLP team then asked if all decisions of the Assembly would be by a majority vote. The UDUP commented that this would be so but that there would be a facility for a weighted majority for matters of extreme controversiality. The SDLP then asked... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. At this point the UDUP delegation said that the discussion had been side tracked into Strand 2 issues. Strand 1 was supposed to be about internal structures for Northern Ireland and they challenged the SDLP to point to anything in the UDUP paper... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. On the question of legislation (para 8 of the DUP document) the SDLP team asked what legislation would remain at Westminster. The UDUP replied that it would be reserved and excepted matters. The SDLP asked if this would apply to the Emergency... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: List of attendees is provided in the minutes of the session.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: To represent the Alliance Party.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Discussed Amendments Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Welcome Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
26 March 1991 Statement to the House of Commons Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The UDUP delegation asked whether the SDLP thought that Northern Ireland would have status outside the United Kingdom in the foreseeable future. The SDLP delegation responded by explaining their position paper was an analysis of the problem as they... Monday June 1991Committee: Party Leaders
Those present: Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Chilcot Mr Fell Mr Loughran Mr Thomas Mr Hewitt Mr D J R Hill Mr Maccabe Mr Fittal Mr Molyneaux Dr Alderdice Mr Hume Dr Paisley Monday March 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: To represent the DUP.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: To represent the SDLP.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: To represent the UK Government.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: To represent the UUP.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
UUP Paper 'A Question of Identities?' Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
UDUP Paper 'Unionism, An Analysis of Our Identity' Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
Alliance Paper 'Community, Identity and Diversity' Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Ref: PT/6 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON 11 MAY 1992 Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr D Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr May Also Present Mr Fittall Mr... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Encouragement to Consider Papers Fully Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns without discussion of the papers so the recommendation appears to be adopted.] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Omit Oral Presentations and Remit Papers for Discussion in Party Groupings and Sub-Committee Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The parties agreed with this recommendation, although the SDLP delegation said a longer time to consider the papers might be preferable. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Alliance Party delegation reaffirmed that Sub-Committees were not decision-taking bodies, but the forum in which common ground could be maximised, and issues discussed. It was for the Plenary Session to take decisions, and issues which could not... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Structures Sub-Committee Timetable Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This was agreed.] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Press Statement Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The statement was agreed by all parties.] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD IN PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 9 MARCH 1992 Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Lindsay Mr May Also Present Mr Fittall Mr... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Number of Party Delegates Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This was agreed by all parties.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Message from the Prime Minister Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The message was delivered.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Ground to be Covered Before Election Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meeting Adjournment Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Northern Ireland: Options for New Political Institutions 28.4.92 Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Production of a Common Principles paper Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
It was agreed this paper would be circulated to the Parties by 10.00 am on that day, to allow the delegations to reflect on it, and ensure discussion proceeded as swiftly as possible. Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
6. On 7 May, the aim would be to complete discussion on the second section of the Options paper headed "The Institutional Framework" (paragraphs 17-26). This discussion might take the form of a Second Reading debate, indicating a broad framework within... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 9 MARCH 1992 Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Lindsay Mr May Also Present Mr Fittall Mr... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON MONDAY 9 MARCH 1992 Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Lindsay Mr McVeigh Also Present Mr Fittall Mr... Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
7. The UDUP delegation emphasised the importance of making swift progress in discussion of this paper given the large amount of work remaining in Strand I and the short time available Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
8. The SDLP delegation outlined the importance they placed on defining the problem before looking at the prescription required. Substantial agreement on the first section of the Options paper would be needed before the second section could be addressed. Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The UUP delegation recognised the different approach the SDLP were recommending, and suggested that the consideration of papers on identities, in parallel with consideration of the institutions paper, meant that both approaches were being addressed. Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Following debate over logistics of "Options for New Political Institutions", the paper was referred to the Plenary Session for substantive discussion.] Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Next Business Committee meeting Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: 'It was provisionally agreed.'] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Not Peace Talks Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Press Statement - 9 March 1992 Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Written Responses to SDLP Identities Paper Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Further Arrangements For Identities Papers Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
4. In response to a UDUP delegation request for clarification, the Government Team explained that not all papers produced by the Party delegations would necessarily be discussed in Plenary. One of the roles of the Business Committee was to ensure work... Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Agreement is made on the various arrangements for Identities Papers.] Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Business Committee to Rule on Payment of Allowances on a Weekly Basis Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The Government Team agreed to consider the matter further. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/5 RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON 7 MAY 1992 Those Present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr Lindsay Also Present Mr D... Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Adopt Agenda and Refer Options Paper to Sub-Committee Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Northern Ireland: Options for New Political Institutions 28.4.92 Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Procedural Arrangements for the Day Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
It was agreed that these papers should be on the table for today's Plenary Session together with the Government paper "Options for New Political Institutions", of which it was envisaged that the first 16 paragraphs should be discussed today. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Draft Press Statement Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and this was agreed. Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance Party Paper on Principles of a New Framework of Government 4.5.92 Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. The SDLP delegation said that they agreed that any system should be workable, stable and durable, widely acceptable and provide for fair participation for all sides of the community. They had a different definition of what was meant by widely... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Common Themes and Realities Papers to be Noted in Plenary Session on 5 May Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/7 RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 15 MAY 1992 Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr Smith Also Present Mr... Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
8. The SDLP delegation expressed doubt about the reference in paragraph 15 to any system being "neutral as to communal identity". This was very negative and inappropriate to the Northern Ireland context. Any system should be innovative. Past systems... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/8 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 18 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr D Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP Paper on Underlying Principles 4.5.92 Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Smith Also Present Mr Smyth Alliance Party Mr Close Mr Morrow SDLP Mr Farren Mr Haughey UDUP Mr Robinson Mr Vitty UUP Mr Cunningham Mr Empey Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
13. The SDLP delegation described the DUP statement as extremely constructive and said that they agreed with nearly all of it. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Meetings of Business Committee and Leaders Before Plenary Session Resumes Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Discussion of "the Institutional Framework" in Plenary Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Maccabe Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr Hallett Also Present Mr Smith Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Morrow Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr McBride Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/9 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 18 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr D Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/10 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 18 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr D Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/11 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 18 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr D Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/12 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 19 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Maccabe Mr D J R Hill Talks Secretariat Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/13 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 19 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State (part) Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell (part) Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Hill Mr Maccabe Talks... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/14 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 19 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/15 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 19 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/18 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 20 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr D Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Basis for Talks Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Discussion of "Agreeing the Nature of the Problem" Paper Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The DUP delegation expressed concern that parties should not be required to discuss papers in Plenary before they could be properly evaluated by party delegations. They were not in a position to discuss how they might respond to the SDLP paper as they... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/16 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 20 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Hallett Mr... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/17 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 20 MAY 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Lindsay Mr... Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
It was agreed that the basis for the Talks remained the statement of 26 March 1991. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Workplan for Talks Before Election Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Amended Workplan for Talks Before Election Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. Handling the Press Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and considered the possibility of sanctions imposed by their own party against those who broke this agreement. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Each of the four leaders speaks in favour of the proposal and the discussion moves on.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2 (a) Committees (UUP Proposal) Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2 (a) Committees (DUP Amendment to UUP Proposal) Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. Are We Ready to Move to Substance? (SDLP Proposal) Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. Nature of the Gap (UUP Proposal) Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UDUP delegation agreed and said they believed a smaller groups would enable speedier progress to be made. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2 (a) Committees (Alliance Amendment to UUP Proposal) Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2 (a) Committees (DUP Response to Alliance Amendment) Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UUP delegation said sub-committees to deal with specific points were catered for in their proposals. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2(a) Committees (SDLP Amendment to UUP Proposal) Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Circulation of SDLP Paper "Agreeing the Nature of the Problem" Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: No objection was noted.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Nominations to Business Committee Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. Are We Ready to Move to Substance? Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Those present agreed. [Editor's Note: The question of substance was therefore referred.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. Nature of the Gap (Government Proposal) Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. The DUP delegation said it would be unfortunate if the gap (or 'suspension') was not long enough to do the job properly. They realised that it could not be open-ended. But it should be remembered that it was designed to cover all three Strands, the... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Maccabe Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr May Also Present Mr Smith Mr Fittall Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Morrow Mrs Bell Mr McBride Mr Ford SDLP Mr... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. Referring-back to the discussion of press contact in the morning session, the Government Team said that an interview with the Secretary of State was to be published in the Irish Independent later in the week. This was a long-standing undertaking and... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The decisions made in this session informed the running of the talks.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Political Talks: Common Principles (5 May 1992) Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UDUP delegation suggested the principles agreed be regarded as guidelines for future discussions rather than exact prescriptions all of which would need to be rigidly incorporated in any new institutions. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/21 SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 3 JUNE 1992 Those present: Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Hill Mr Maccabe Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr... Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. Most points were agreed with little or no discussion. There were, however, a number of longer exchanges which covered the following points. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
- The Alliance Party delegation asked that principle 2(b) refer not merely to two bodies of opinion but be broadened to cover other groups who would not feel entirely comfortable in either tradition. The other Party delegations suggested that, whilst... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Reference in Principle 2(b) to Other Groups Not Entirely Comfortable in Either Tradition Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/26 REVISED SUMMARY RECORD OF A PLENARY MEETING HELD IN PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE AFTERNOON OF 1 JULY 1992 Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Maccabe Mr D J R Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and this was accepted by all delegations. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Removal of Second Part of Principle 2(f) Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Amendment to Principle 2(f) Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
After lengthy discussion, amendments proposed to the second part of 2(f) were accepted by all delegations. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
- The discussion of principle 2(g) centred on whether the role granted to elected representatives in new political institutions could be restricted to those from constitutional political parties. In response to points raised by the UDUP delegation, the... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
- There was also lengthy discussion of the suggested principle 3(d) which referred to the need for new institutions in Northern Ireland to be compatible with developments in other parts of the UK. The UUP delegation explained that this was their... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team commented that, as drafted, the paragraph created difficulties for the parties as it asked them to consider compatability with institutions which did not exist. The SDLP and Alliance Party delegations suggested the UDUP delegation's... Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Removal of Principle 3(d) and Amendment to Principle 3(e) Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Political Talks: Common Principles (5 May 1992 16.30) Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The revised paper is agreed and circulated.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Next Plenary on 7 May Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Maccabe Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr May Also Present Mr Fittall Mr Smith Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Dickson Mr Morrow Mr... Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Government Team Minister of State Mr Thomas Mr Bell Talks Secretariat Mr May Alliance Mr Morrow Mr Neeson SDLP Mr Farren Mr Haughey UDUP Mr Robinson Mr Vitty UUP Mr Cunningham Mr Empey Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Common Themes Paper Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Edtior's Note: The proposal was adopted and Political Talks: Realities and Common Themes was tabled on 24.4.92.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection was made to this report.] Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Publication of Position Papers Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Alliance Party said that his paper had not been published but that he could see no difficulty in so doing. The UUP and UDUP adopted similar positions in terms of their papers but the SDLP suggested that publication could lead to wider exposure to... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The proposition was agreed. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. Before the substantive business began, the SDLP sought confirmation of the agreement that the party statements were not to be made public at this stage. The Government Team confirmed that this was the case, adding that if selected extracts from the... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team suggested that this could most conveniently be done as the specific issues concerned came up for discussion. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team Secretary of State Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Minister of State Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Fell Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Pilling Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Thomas Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr McNeill Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Talks Secretariat Mr Hill Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Close Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Neeson Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mrs Bell Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Dickson Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr McBride Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Morrow Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP Mr Hume Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Mallon Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr McGrady Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Gallagher Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Haughey Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Dr Hendron Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mrs Rodgers Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UDUP Dr Paisley Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Robinson Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Rev McCrea Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Campbell Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Dodds Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Gibson Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Wilson Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP Mr Molyneaux Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Nicholson Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Cunningham Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Empey Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Maginnis Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Rev Smyth Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Trimble Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
PUS Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Sean Farren [Editor's Note: Sean Farren joins this Committee for the first time. He appears to come in place of Tommy Gallagher who does not attend on this day.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Vitty Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mervyn Jones [Editor's Note: Mervyn Jones joins this Committee for the first time.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. On paragraph 7 and 8, the DUP asked whether it was the case that Southern nationalists saw the people of Northern Ireland as part of a wider Irish nation. The SDLP replied that while the main Republic of Ireland parties favoured unity, the... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. The DUP said that the first sentence of paragraph 10 was a very strong statement and asked whether it really was the SDLP position that no recognition had been given to the Irish identity before 1985. The Unionists had ceased to hold power in 1972.... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Hallett Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Marsh Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Rodell Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
c. Paragraph 45. The SDLP confirmed that they would, at the appropriate time, bring forward major proposals covering the whole issue of policing and security. d. Paragraph 51. The SDLP felt that NI should be represented in Europe, since its interests... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Press Statement Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Feeley [Editor's Note: Frank Feeley joins the negotiation for the first time.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Allen [Editor's Note: Mr Allen joins the negotiations for the first time.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Team: Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat: Mr D J R Hill Mr Pope Also Present: Mr Pawson Alliance Party: Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Mrs Bell Mr Morrow Mr McBride Mr... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Pope Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Pawson Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Miss Paisley Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Continued Questioning of of the UUP Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
the Secretary of State immediately invited him to do so.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Paragraph 32. The UUP explained that they would be proposing that the powers of any devolved assembly should be safeguarded by an inviolable bilateral treaty between the assembly and the United Kingdom Parliament. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. When the Government Team had completed their questioning of the UUP a number of points of order were raised. [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State defends his approach to chairing the discussion, but Dr Paisley's intervention is effective at... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. During Alliance Party clarifications of the UUP presentation, the following main points were made:- (a) Paragraph 4. Any new British-Irish agreement should be co-extensive to the entire territory of both nations. The Anglo-Irish Agreement as... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(d) Paragraph 11. The concept of modern Unionism was acceptance of the existence of a separate Republic of Ireland, coupled with the aims of removing the ambiguities which had grown up over the previous 20 years and removal of the inequalities created... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Paragraph 21. The UUP emphasised that they were not seeking special treatment for Northern Ireland but merely asking that the people and industries of the Province be entitled to the same benefits as the rest of the United Kingdom. Paragraph 22. The... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Clarity Around Timing of the Talks Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Withdrawal of Government Comments Regarding the SDLP Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team noted this. [Editor's Note: It is not clear that 'noting' implies that the remarks will be withdrawn, and as the SDLP feels the need to raise the matter again later, we are modelling this comment as postponing debate.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(ii) page 3, paragraph 2: The term "the Roman Catholic IRA" was simply a reflection of how the UDUP viewed the Roman Catholic church's position on Republican terrorists. This was not the same as the Protestant church's view of Loyalist violence. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UDUP commented that they were most unhappy about attempting to hold the content of their position paper over the weekend, given the prospect of concerted media attention etc. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(g) Paragraph 21. The reference to "economic or financial benefit" was meant to underpin a belief that there could be no justification for withholding financial benefits flowing from HMT subventions from the people of Northern Ireland if these were... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Paragraph 26. The UUP explained that their description of the constitutional affairs of the United Kingdom as being in 'a state of flux' was a reference both to the review of local government that had been initiated by the Secretary of State for the... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The SDLP then returned to their opening remarks about the Irish Press article and sought a withdrawal of earlier comments made by the Government Team. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team, following further consideration of the issue, accepted the point made but said it was largely a matter between the Party and the author of the commentary. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr McClure Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr McGimpsey Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. In responding to a further point from the UUP, the Government Team acknowledged that the Business Committee might also look at the need to accommodate the more critical business of negotiation within a smaller circle of delegates as had been... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(vi) page 14, paragraph 2: second sentence. The UDUP confirmed that they, as a party, were looking for significant structural developments in terms of the highest form of devolution available, including security powers. (vii) Page 17, paragraph 1,... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(iv) Paragraph 77. The UDUP confirmed that in a future session they would be tabling proposals concerning the introduction of a Bill of Rights in Northern Ireland. (v) The UDUP confirmed that they did not accept the "reality" that there were two sets... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(vii) The UDUP confirmed that it was their view that Unionists owed their loyalty to the laws of the land under the Queen as Head of State and not to the Prime Minister, the Government, or Parliament at Westminster. (viii) Paragraph 21. "Every party"... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(ix) Paragraph 46. The UDUP stated that they would, at a future session, be tabling "imaginative proposals" for devolution of powers. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(iv) The DUP felt that Nationalists were trampling on the rights of the Protestant majority in NI. (v) The DUP denied that there was a gap between their position and that of the UUP; the two Unionist parties were working together and there was simply a... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
(e) Paragraph 18 The "various principles" referred to in line two of paragraph 18 were that any new agreement must be stable, durable and command widespread agreement across the community if it were to work. (f) Paragraph 19 The "powers and... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The fuller, more verbatim, internal record would seem to suggest that chronologically, this item should come after the correction to the DUP position paper.] 3. The Government Team confirmed that the Secretary of State intended to meet... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Correction to Date of Peter Brooke's Speech in UDUP Opening Statement Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team noted the UDUP's point that they had merely been quoting from an NI Information Services document when referring to the speech. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The error is acknowledged and presumably corrected.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: As discussion of the DUP position paper is now concluded, we will mark it as dropped.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The UDUP stated they could not accept this together with the second SDLP proposal of omitting reference to the Business Committee in its entirety. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The SDLP did not agree with this. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The Alliance Party stated that they thought there were two distinct aspects being considered by the Business Committee. There was firstly the conduct of business beyond clarification stage and secondly the intensification issue which required... Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Revised Government Amendment: Reference Business Committee Meeting Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and this was agreed to by all concerned (copy attached for ease of reference). Monday June 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
1. Practical arrangements Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
2. Dr Alderdice confirmed that he and his colleagues were happy with the arrangements which had been made for accommodation both for the delegations and for the discussions and with the facilities which had been laid on in terms of word processing, car... Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
1(a) Allowances Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Alliance Party delegation said that this was helpful since more of their delegates than those of other parties had had to take unpaid leave to attend the talks. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
1(b) Support staff Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The discussion moves on.] Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
1(c)(d) Minutes of meetings and security arrangements Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
1(e) Media arrangements Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Alliance Party said privacy and confidentiality were important but the talks were not secret. Too tight a restriction on media activities could be counter-productive leading to speculation, to attempts to gain access to relatively junior members of... Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government Team noted the points [made by the Alliance Party regarding media coverage] - delegates might take a more relaxed approach as the process developed, but some might be uncomfortable with too close a level of media attention at the outset. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
1(f) Security advice Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
It was agreed that Mr McNeill would introduce Dr Alderdice and his colleagues to Superintendent Curral, RUC Security Branch immediately after the meeting. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Discussion now proceeds to Item 2 on the agenda.] Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
2. Procedural Matters Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
2(a) Timing of meetings Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Alliance Party confirmed that they were. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
2(b) Adjournments and 2(c) Agenda Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
2(d) Agenda Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Alliance Party confirmed that they were happy with these proposals. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Discussion now moves on to Item 3.] Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
3. Key Issues and 4. The order in which they might be addressed Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Alliance Party were invited to say how they saw matters developing and what items they thought would need to be covered during plenary sessions. They confirmed that none of issues raised thus far caused problems for the Party and that their... Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
4(b) Presentation of party positions Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government Team indicated that this process had attractions since it not only allowed others to absorb views but gave each delegation a full opportunity to express their views. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
3. Alliance Party List of Key Issues Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
9. The Government Team asked what relationship the Alliance Party saw between the task of finding an internal settlement and that of reaching an accommodation between both parts of Ireland. The Alliance Party said that it was easier for them to... Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
3. Key issues as identified by the Government delegation Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Discussion proceeds to the next item on the agenda.] Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
5. Handling of initial plenary sessions Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government Team and the Alliance Party agreed that the aim of the exercise was that of convergence. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
6. Location of North/South talks Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
6. Location of North/South talks - Alliance position Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
6. Location of North/South talks - Government position Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
6. Location of North/South talks - continue meeting in Belfast Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government Team thought that this was unlikely to be attractive either to the Unionists or to the Irish Government. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government Team said that they hoped that agreement would be reached before the plenary sessions began. Both Governments would need time to undertake preparatory work on facilities. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
14. The Alliance Party confirmed that they had no further issues which they wished to discuss at this stage. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
1(g) Statements to the press following the meeting to be minimal. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Conclusion of Meeting with Alliance Party on 30 April 1991 Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting concluded.] Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Location of Strand 2 Talks: Position of Parties on 3 May Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The suggestion is noted.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. The first plenary session of the first strand of the Talks commenced in the Conference Room at Parliament Buildings at 12.56 on 17 June 1991. Monday June 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
1. This note summarises the main conclusions of a bi-lateral meeting held between the Secretary of State and an Alliance Party delegation in Parliament Buildings on the afternoon of 30 April 1991. The meeting began at 1440 and ended at 1615. Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Alliance Party agreed with the general outline that this process should concentrate on principles rather than on structures. There was likely to be some agreement on principles but differences on the structures that might be put in place for taking... Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The meeting began at 11.20 am. Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Thursday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. A plenary meeting of the first strand of the Talks took place in the Conference Room at Parliament Buildings between 14.36 and 15.42 hours on 17 June 1991. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. It was agreed that the Talks would resume in plenary session at 2.30 pm. TALKS SECRETARIAT Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
10. The delegation then broke for coffee prior to the SDLP's presentation. TALKS SECRETARIAT 18 June 1991 Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. The second plenary session of the afternoon of 17 June 1991 opened at 1600. Monday June 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
4. The meeting concluded at 4.35 pm. Thursday May 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Summary of Events on 9 May and Next Steps Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Conclusions of Meeting with the Alliance Delegation on 9 May at 1600 Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
2. The Alliance Party thanked the Government Team for this resume of their discussions Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Alliance Position Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Alliance Analysis of Unionist Position Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Summary of Events on 9 May and Next Steps Thursday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. The meeting began at 10.37am. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. The Government team then invited questions concerning the SDLP statement. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place in Parliament Buildings between 10.40 and 10.45am on 25 June. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place at Parliament Buildings between 11.50am-12.45pm on 18 June. Tuesday June 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Minister of State Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Mr Thomas Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Mr D J R Hill Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Mr Hallett Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Mr Close (APNI) Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Nr Haughey (SDLP) Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Mr Robinson (UDUP) Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Mr Cunningham (UUP) Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
The meeting commenced at 1730 and concluded at 1820. Tuesday May 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Draft of Workplan, Version of 28 May 1991 Tuesday May 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: The document is tabled at the sub-plenary meeting.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Draft of Workplan, 28 May 1991 Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. The afternoon session on 18 June 1991 commenced at 2.15 pm. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place at Parliament Buildings between 10.36 and 11.35 on Wednesday 19 June. Wednesday June 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Paragraph 3: Remove Reference to Secretary of State's Letter Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Add the Revised Paper to the Secretary of State's Agenda of 3 May Tuesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
6. It was further agreed: Tuesday May 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: The Minister of State meets with representatives from the parties at the Sub-Plenary Meeting to discuss the proposed workplan.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Draft Workplan As Amended by Sub-Plenary Meeting on 28 May Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand 1 of the Talks took place at Parliament Buildings between 10.34 and 11.45 on 24 June. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place in Parliament Buildings between 12:05 and 12:45 pm on 24 June. It had before it the text of the DUP opening statement. [Editor's Note: The questioning of the DUP leader recommenced.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place at Parliament Buildings between 2.15pm and 3.50pm on 24 June. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the talks process took place in Parliament Buildings between 16.08 and 16.40 on 24 June. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned in order to allow other meetings to take place, as outlined by the Secretary of State] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place at Parliament Buildings between 1758 and 1812 on 24 June. Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team stated that the talks would recommence at 10.30 the following morning. Talks Secretariat 25 June 1991 Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 11.47 and concluded at 12.45. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. There being no further questions from the SPLP, the meeting broke for lunch at 12.45 pm. Monday June 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
[Editor's Note: The morning meeting adjourned during which time the Workplan was redrafted by the Minister of State and officials.] The [afternoon] meeting began at 14.30 and concluded at 15.10. Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Revised Workplan of 29 May Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
2. The Minister of State said that in drafting the revised workplan he had sought to reflect points made in the morning discussion. He understood that Mr Haughey would have a particular problem with item (i) in the addendum. He invited comments. Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Reinstate 'Status' at Item (i) on the Addendum Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Mr Haughey commented that the term "constitutional status" had a particular connotation since it was constantly used by Unionists, which made it difficult for the SDLP to accept. [Editor's Note: We mark the proposal as rejected since the Committee... Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
'Position' Instead of 'Status' Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
5. Mr Close commented that it was important to get down to issues of substance, since at present the discussion was still "in the area of semantics". Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
6. The Minister of State said that he would make a judgment to include a reference to the constitutional position in the amended form proposed by Mr Cunningham. He recognised that this would be difficult for the SDLP but his impression was that their... Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
7. Mr Haughey said that he would put the amended formulation to his party leader but made clear that it was likely to be the SDLP view that the workplace should e confined to the first page, without the addendum. Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
9. Mr Cunningham sought clarification of (vii) and (viii). On (vii) he asked whether it was intended to include the possibility of a Bill of Rights. The Minister of State replied that this was the case. On (viii) Mr Cunningham asked whether the... Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
8. Mr Robinson asked for clarification of the reference to "relationships within the Northern Ireland community" in (ii). The Minister of State replied that this was intended to cover such matters as the fact that judgments about people in Northern... Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Committee Approval for Workplan Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
Mr Haughey replied that it remained his view that the addendum was not helpful for the SDLP and would best be omitted. This would also probably be his party leader's conclusion. 12. Mr Robinson said that having taken sounding within the Unionist... Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
13. Mr Cunningham sought and received confirmation that the addendum did not preclude change in the list of subjects or the order in which they were dealt with. Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
14. Mr Robinson asked about the timetable for future developments. Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
The Minister of State replied that amended copies of the workplan would be passed to the party representatives as soon as they were available with a request that they give the earliest possible indication of whether the text was acceptable to their... Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
[Editor's Note: It was so decided by the Minister of State.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: Sub-Plenary Meetings
[Editor's Note: The minutes for this session end here and we have no further records of meetings of a 'Sub-Plenary Committee'. However, the same group of delegates convenes as the Business Committee from 18 June 1991.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Minister of State Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Mr Thomas Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Mr Pope Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Mr Close Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Mr Haughey Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Mr Robinson Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Rev Smyth Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The Minister of State chaired a meeting of the Business Committee in his office at Parliament Buildings between 10.00 and 10.25 am on Tuesday 18 June. Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Business for Week Beginning 24 June Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: It was agreed. The agenda would then be made available to the Plenary Committee, so it is marked as referred.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Intensify Talks Process Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Business for Week Beginning 24 June Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was agreed. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place in Parliament Buildings between 12.05 and 12.55 pm on 25 June. It had before it the Alliance Party's response paper which had been tabled at the Business Committee earlier that morning and which... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The Government Team rehearsed the background to the paper and asked for views. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The DUP observed that it had always been a Unionist principle that negotiations could not take place while the Conference was meeting. They had agreed to one interval between Conference meetings; they had already made clear that 10 weeks was too... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
They [the SDLP] had however read the paper carefully and had serious doubts as to its practicality. It completely re-wrote the agenda which had been agreed and compressed the process to an unacceptable extent. It was outwith the terms of reference of... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. The Alliance Party stressed that the paper was designed as a response to the Unionists' proposal; they would not have put it forward otherwise. They would not dissent if another way could be found of doing the necessary work in the available time. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
It was agreed that the meeting should adjourn for lunch, following which there would be a meeting of the Business Committee at 2.00 pm and a further plenary session at 2.15 pm. Talks Secretariat. Tuesday June 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Political Talks: Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The meeting began at 16.50 and concluded at 17.10. Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification: Consultation with the Irish Government Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government team confirmed that this was the case. Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification of Point 3 Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification of Point 3: Rotating Chairmanship Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: There is some discrepancy between the internal and official record of this discussion. In the official record, it is simply stated that a rotating chairmanship is not practicable. The internal record seems to imply that it might be... Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The process of clarification now moves on to the role of the Secretary of State vis-a-vis the parties and the independent chairman.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The process of clarification now moves on from Point 3.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Discussion of the role of the Secretary of State is concluded.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification of Point 5 Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification of Point 5: Location of Talks Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Discussion advances to the role of bilateral meetings during Strand 2.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification of Point 3: Identifying the Independent Chairman Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification of Point 3: The Role of the SOS in Strand 2 Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification of Point 5: Bilateral Meetings During Strand 2 Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Clarification now progresses to Point 7.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification of Point 7 Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The Government offers little clarification on this point, but discussion moves on to the final point Alliance wished to raise.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Clarification Regarding Final Meeting Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Discussion moves on from Paragraph 7, with the implication that further thought needs to be given to this matter.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The meeting concludes at this point. Dr Alderdice's reflections on the meeting as a whole are included as an Additional Description here.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: As Alliance do not give their formal consent to the Government proposal in this meeting and a considerable number of issues are raised, the record of the discussions are referred back to the Office of the Chairman for further reflection.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Conclusions of Meeting with Alliance Party on 14 May: Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The meeting began at 1817 hours and ended at 1835 hours. Monday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Joint Unionist Position Paper (20 May 1991) Monday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
To that end their preferred option appeared to be that substantive talks should be postponed until that process had been completed. [Editor's Note: The Secretary of State explicitly rejects the Alliance proposal that substantive, face-to-face talks... Monday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The meeting began at 10.35am and ended at 11.15am. Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Joint Unionist Position Paper of 21 May 1991 Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
2. The Government Team indicated that the paper had been produced by the Unionists. They could respond to questions on it but could not take responsibility, They hoped that it would now be possible to make progress on the location and standing orders... Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Alliance Party Analysis of the Joint Unionist Position Paper of 21 May 1991 Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
5. In further discussion of the paper, the Government Team stated that they regarded it as reflecting acceptance by the Unionists of the substance and the detail of the Secretary of State's 14 May document. Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Position of the SDLP Party Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Government Team Secretary of State Minister of State PUS Mr Fell Mr Pilling Mr Thomas Mr McNeill Talks Secretariat Mr Rodell In attendance Mr Pawson Alliance Party Dr Alderdice Mr Close Mr Neeson Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government Team and the Alliance Party delegation held a bilateral meeting in Parliament Buildings between 14.03 and 14.24 on 22 May 1991. Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
3. The Government Team went on to say that they wished to discuss the question of the ground rules surrounding the independent chairman. They had identified a number of areas on which they would appreciate comments from the parties, they included: 1.... Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Role of the Chairman Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The Alliance contribution is noted.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Machinery for Dialogue between the Chairman and the Participants and the Handling of Business Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The Alliance position was noted.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Staff the Chairman Might Require Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The Alliance position is noted.] Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Standing Orders and Rules of Procedure Wednesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The meeting began at 12.35 and finished at 1.10 pm. Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Procedural Guidelines for the Conduct of Strand Two (28 May 1991) Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Paragraphs 4 and 5. It was noted that stand-ins would be acceptable for meetings of the Steering Group and the Business Committee, that membership of each body need not necessarily be the same and that the Business Committee could meet on days other... Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The Record moves on to Paragraph 6.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Paragraph 11 Note Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: It was noted.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Discussion now moves to Paragraph 12.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Paragraph 12 Note Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: It was noted.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Paragraph 15 Amendment Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: It is recorded in the official record of the meeting.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: The record moves on to Paragraphs 16 and 17.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Additional Points: Staffing Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: A note is recorded regarding staffing.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
(iii) there was no great issue of principle parts of the document were guidelines and which parts were standing orders. Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Nomination of the Chairman Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: the amended document is returned to the Office of the Chairman.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
During the recess, occasioned by the Secretary having to take a telephone call, it became apparent that media were carrying the story of Lord Carrington's rejection by the Unionists; the Government Team subsequently reported that Lord Carrington... Thursday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
8. At this point the Secretary of State left to take a telephone call. Thursday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place at Parliament Buildings between 2.15pm and 3.55pm on 19 June. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No objection is made to the advice of the Secretary of State. Delegates only ask for clarification on timings of the Parliamentary debates.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A draft Press statement covering the events of the day was agreed. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team referred the UDUP to an earlier decision of the Business Committee which had agreed to an intensification of the process the following week. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The Government Team concluded the session by inviting everyone to be present at 10.30 am on Monday 24 June to continue the business in hand. Talks Secretariat Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of Strand One of the Talks took place at Parliament Buildings between 6.40 pm and 8.40 pm on 25 June. Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. It was agreed that there should be greater direct local involvement in the business of governing Northern Ireland. There was no dissent from the proposition that any devolved administration should enjoy both executive and legislative powers though... Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A plenary meeting of strand one of the Talks took place at Parliament Buildings between 2.21 and 3.45 pm on Wednesday 26 June. Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. Picking up discussion from the pre-lunch session, the UDUP recalled that the SDLP had appeared to assent to the proposition that, if an accommodation could be reached which gave the minority a satisfactory say in the internal affairs of Northern... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Three Relationships: Items 15 and 16 [External Relationships and British-Irish Relationship] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is assent to the first two items falling under the Three Relationships heading.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Three Relationships: Item 17 Adequate Expression to the Totality of Relationships Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There was 'general agreement'.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This concludes discussion of the Three Relationships item on the agenda.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: consensus has been reached on the headings on the Workplan, although the discussion which continues relates to the Item 18 on Commitment to constitutional, democratic means as the delegates debate what causes people to become involved... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Focus on First Two Headings Monday July 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The Chairman decides to proceed in this manner.] Monday July 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Mr Maquire [sic] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP Paper of 28 June 1991 Monday July 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: For statements and decisions attributed to the Alliance Party delegation.] Tuesday April 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: For statements and decisions attributed to the UK Government.] Tuesday April 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was agreed. Tuesday July 1991Committee: Party Leaders
NOTE OF A MEETING HELD ON MARCH 1992 AT STORMONT CASTLE TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT [Editor's Note: This meeting on economic development followed the morning's discussions.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UDUP said that they had signed up to the three stranded process and so recognised that there had to be an all-encompassing agreement. The UUP said that they had been saying ever since the 1986 by-election that the framework was all important, and... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UUP said that, whilst a political accommodation would bring social and economic benefits to the people of Northern Ireland it would not, in itself, provide a platform for the ending of terrorism. Ultimately that depended upon the attitude of the... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
There was thus a linkage between the political situation and terrorism. [Editor's Note: Mr Maginnis has already stepped back from the strength of his earlier statement that the Talks process would have no impact on resolving terrorism which was a... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A further linkage was that if the security forces received cross-party support for their efforts, this helped them in their task of defeating terrorism. 10. In response to a question from the Government Team, the UDUP acknowledged that individuals... Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The first plenary meeting of the new Talks began at 10.40 and concluded at 11.30. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The second plenary meeting began at 11.55 and concluded at 12.45. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. The UUP delegation suggested the Business Committee ought to have an enhanced role with a greater emphasis over the administration of the Talks themselves. Procedural difficulties could be handled in the Business Committee and need not prevent Talks... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The Government Team suggested that discussion might concentrate on the differences the party delegations would like to see in the talks process from last summer and whether it was sensible to attempt any substantive discussion of policy matters.... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2(a) Committees (DUP Proposal) - 11:55 Meeting Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The SDLP delegation said that they were content for a Business Committee to be established, and for sub-committees to be set up once specific tasks had been identified. There followed some discussion of the distinction between the work the Business... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2 (a) COMMITTEES Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
All Parties to Agree on Business Committee and Principle of a Sub-Committee Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 14.52 and ended at 15.53. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This was agreed by all parties.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
1. Nature of the Gap (Government Proposal) Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
It was generally agreed that if anyone involved in the Talks engaged gratuitously in attacking others in the process then this would have serious implications for the resumption of Talks. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Alliance delegation were of the view that if the Talks were not about peace then they were a waste of time. The SDLP delegation said that while they were not peace talks, the hope would be that they would provide a basis for peace. This was the... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The two delegations which had not given their nominees for the Business Committee in the morning session named their members - for the DUP Messrs Robinson and Vitty and for the Alliance Party Messrs Morrow and Close. It was agreed that because of... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2.(b) Different Arrangements? - Records of Meetings Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Those present agreed. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2 (a) Membership of the Business Committee - Substitutes Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There appears to be a difference between the Internal Record of the meeting, which implies stronger disapproval for the idea of substitutes being used (except in situations such as that of Mr Close), and the official record which states... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. It was also agreed that parties could continue to draft documents for Strand One and may decide to meet informally; also that the Business Committee would meet immediately. [Editor's Note: It was so agreed. The Business Committee meet on the same... Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team thanked those present for their attendance and for the spirit in which the various exchanges had taken place during the course of the day. It was agreed that the Business Committee would meet at 4.10 pm. TALKS SECRETARIAT RN/8329 Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The meeting began at 16.15 and concluded at 16.35. Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Agenda from the Plenary Session Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Patrick Mayhew joins the negotiations as the new Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The Parliamentary Undersecretary of State Jeremy Hanley assumes the role in the Talks previously occupied by Brian Mawhinney as deputy for the Secretary of State and Chair of the Business Committee.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: This is agreed.] Tuesday April 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 11.35 am and concluded at 12.54 pm. Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
More Work Required on Government Paper 'Realities and Common Themes' Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Dating of Government Papers Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The Business Committee proposals are accepted as amended and expanded upon; the discussion moves on.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Facilitating Participation by MPs in Both the Debate on the Queen's Speech and the Talks Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Confidentiality: Government Team Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team gave an assurance that it would remain loyal to the confidentiality agreement without exception. Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Press Release 29 April 1992 Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
was then agreed. Wednesday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: Peter Brooke leaves the Talks.] Thursday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: Brian Mawhinney leaves the Talks.] Thursday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: Patrick Mayhew becomes Secretary of State.] Thursday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: Jeremy Hanley becomes Minister of State.] Thursday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The meeting began at 11.38 and concluded at 12.55. Monday May 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Political Talks: Realities and Common Themes Friday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Working Document: Political Talks Realities and Common Themes - Paragraph 16 Friday April 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Working Document: Political Talks Realities and Common Themes: Paragraph 18 Friday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Political Talks: Realities and Common Themes Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The UDUP delegation said that the paper that had been issued had not been written in the way that had been requested by the Business Committee. It did not so much express common themes as express the Government's view. While they did not necessarily... Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The document is copied into the Office of the Chairman.] Friday May 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Report from the Sub-Committee Established on 11 May Friday October 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
5. At the suggestion of the Alliance delegation, it was agreed to work through the "Common Themes" section of the paper, paragraph by paragraph, to elicit agreement to the form of a new paper. Points of detail on each paragraph were subsequently... Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The SDLP delegation and the Government Team drew attention to the analysis, reflected in the statement of 26 March 1991, that the wider relationships could have a significant bearing on the internal relationships which were for consideration in strand... Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
6. Other substantive issues included: - The UDUP delegation sought clarification of the proposition that the question of securing greater direct local political involvement in the governance of Northern Ireland would require consideration "on several... Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Use "Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland" Instead of "the two parts of Ireland" Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The Government Team noted the desirability of using value-free but not inaccurate terms and agreed to take account of the discussion in re-drafting the paper. [Editor's Note: the phrase "the two parts of Ireland" was removed from the Constitutional... Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Remove Paragraphs Under Sub-Heading "The Three Relationships" Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The Committee noted that there was substantial agreement and common ground with respect to these matters, but agreed that they should not be presented at this time as being matters which were for consideration at a later stage. Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
- It was acknowledged that though the paper would deal with Strand One issues, the parameters of the 26 March 1991 statement meant that nothing would be specifically agreed within Strand One until everything had been agreed in the Talks as a whole. Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Adopt Agenda and Refer Options Paper Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
These points were agreed. It was also agreed that membership of one committee did not preclude membership of another. Thursday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Papers on Institutional Structures Tuesday May 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
Political Talks: Realities and Common Themes Friday May 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 1 Chairman (British Government Delegation)
[Editor's Note: This paper is also tabled at future meetings and was circulated to members of the Business Committee by Mr Hanley on 1 May 1992.] Friday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Political Talks: Common Themes (1 May 1992) Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Political Talks: Realities (1 May 1992) Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Common Themes Paper to be Noted in Plenary Session Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Political Talks: Common Themes (4 May 1992) Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
A revised paper is attached, incorporating agreed amendments, at Annex A. The UDUP delegation asked it be recorded that they agreed paragraph 4 of the paper on the basis of the interpretation offered by the Government Team at the previous Business... Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The meeting began at 14.34 and concluded at 16.20. Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The UDUP and UUP delegations indicated that they might wish to make comments on the Realities paper in writing at some point, although none of the delegations would be seeking to amend the Government paper. Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The delegations agreed that little discussion of the Common Themes paper should be needed in Plenary in the light of the Business Committee's deliberations, although other members of delegations might have points to raise. It was agreed these comments... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Political Talks: Realities (1 May) Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Realities and Common Themes Papers Noted Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was agreed, though the DUP delegation indicated that they would be submitting a written response to the Realities paper. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Political Talks: Common Themes (4 May) Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team explained that a gap of 3 months had been agreed with the Irish Government. Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The meeting began at 14.32 and adjourned at 16.15. It resumed at 16.43 and concluded at 17.55. Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Brian Mawhinney ceases to be a Minister for Northern Ireland after the March 1992 General Election. Jeremy Hanley takes over his role of chairing the Business Committee.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 10:35 am and concluded at 11.37 pm. [Editor's Note: The meeting concluded at 11.37 am.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 14.37 am [sic] and concluded at 16.20 pm. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Press Release 5 May 1992 Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
was approved, Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The amended wording is adopted and therefore the proposal to entirely drop the second part of the sentence is rejected.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: During the adjournment, the Business Committee meets, followed by a meeting of the party leaders with the Secretary of State.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The meeting began at 11.40 and concluded at 12.00. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Recommendations of the Business Committee 5 May 1992 Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Reconvening the Plenary Session Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Drafting and Debating Common Principles Paper Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Debate on the Second Part of the Options for New Political Institutions Paper Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Send Recommendations to the Leaders Meeting Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: It was agreed.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: We do not have a record of this meeting, but it is referred to in the Business Committee meeting at 11.40 which compiles recommendations for the meeting, and also in the plenary session at 10.35 which adjourns to allow the Business... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Recommendations of the Business Committee 5 May 1992 Tuesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: The agenda informs the following sessions of the plenaries.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
REF: PT/4 RECORD OF A PLENARY SESSION HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 7 MAY 1992 Government Team Secretary of State Mr Hanley PUS Mr Fell Mr Thomas Mr Bell Mr Maccabe Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Brooker Mr May Also Present Mr Fittall... Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 10.21 am and concluded at 11.20 pm. [Editor's Note: The meeting concluded at 11.20 am.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The Government Team opened the discussion by thanking those who had spoken in the debate on the Address the previous day for their contribution. [Editor's Note: This refers to the Queen's Speech debate in Parliament on 6 May 1992.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Bank the Principles Paper Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and this was agreed by the Parties. Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Agenda - 7 May 1992 Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Plans for the Following Week Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Arrangements for Sub-Committees and Business Committee Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'It was agreed.'] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Adopt the Agenda as Agreed and Proceed with the Debate Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. Turning to the broad approaches set out in paragraphs 29-33 of the Government paper, the Alliance delegation said that it found unacceptable arrangements which allocated set roles within the Government system to each of the two communities and those... Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Floor Opened for Wider Debate Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. The SDLP delegation suggested that the approach in the Government paper seemed to be based on institutions which had failed in the past. The SDLP's approach had been to seek agreement on the nature of the problem before looking at institutions which... Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UUP delegation believed that the clear message emerging from the General Election was that the people on all sides wished to see an agreed administrative structure, to bring the people of Northern Ireland together and to allow the redress of... Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
10. The UDUP delegation suggested a single Province-wide elected Assembly would be the most appropriate institution for Northern Ireland, with between 80 and 100 members. The issue of a second chamber would need further discussion, but the UDUP were... Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was agreed. Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Party Leaders Meeting Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
TALKS SECRETARIAT [Editor's Note: During the adjournment a meeting of the party leaders and the Business Committee takes place.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The debate proceeds.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Recommendations of the Business Committee 5 May 1992 Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Presentations on Options Paper Part II Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Postpone Discussion of Options Paper Part II Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Alliance Party delegation suggested that some understanding of the approaches of the different parties would be useful prior to the tabling of papers, [Editor's Note: The Government Team will accept the Alliance position.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Presentations on Options Paper Part II Limited to Broad Brush Discussion Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Only the arrangements for the current session appear to be disputed.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Agenda for 7 May and the Following Week Thursday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Sub-Committee Arrangements Thursday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: These recommendations are put to the plenary in the afternoon.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Tabling of Structures Papers Thursday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: This arrangement is reported to the plenary in the afternoon.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: The amended agenda is reported to the Plenary.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The plenary session began at 12.15 pm and ended at 12.25 pm. Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Delay Sub-Committee Meetings until Tuesday and Wednesday Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
These points were agreed. Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Membership of One Committee Does Not Preclude Membership of Another Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'It was also agreed'.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Business Committee Meeting Cancelled in Favour of Sub-Committee Meeting Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'It was also accepted'.] Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
The Sub-Committee met from 2.15 pm to 6.15 pm with a break for tea. [Editor's Note: The Official Record of this session is very brief. We have therefore decided to model the discussion using the Internal Record retained in the National Archives. From... Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Agenda for 7 May and the Following Week Thursday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
Agreed Record of Sub-Committee Meeting Held on 7 May 1992 to Discuss the Question of Identities Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Conclusions of the Identities Sub-Committee Meeting 7 May 1415 Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 10.33am and ended at 10.45am. The papers produced by each party on new political structures had been circulated half-an-hour prior to the start of the meeting. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Talks Secretariat [Editor's Note: As had been agreed, the meeting adjourned early to allow party delegations to discuss the position papers on institutional structures in preparation for the Sub-Committee meetings during the remainder of the week.] Monday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 10.30am and concluded at 11.40am. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: There is no objection as the discussion moves on, and the parties are at least theoretically signed up to the confidentiality agreement.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Business of the Structures Sub-Committee Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
3. The SDLP delegation agreed that the session should be devoted to exploring the proposals and their implications, and reaffirmed that the Sub-Committee's role should be to report back to the Plenary Session on common areas and areas of disagreement.... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The Committee agreed to proceed on this basis. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 12.00 and ended at 12.45pm. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 2.04pm and adjourned for tea at 3.20pm. [Editor's Note: From this session onwards, the civil service ceases to produce an 'internal' record of the Structures Sub-Committee meetings. The reason given is that participants had asked... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
21. At this point the meeting adjourned for tea. TALKS SECRETARIAT Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting lasted from 15.42 to 17.12. Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 10.35am and concluded at 11.45am. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
TALKS SECRETARIAT [Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns for a break at this point.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 12.05 and ended at 13.05. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns for lunch.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 2.15pm and adjourned for tea at 3.15pm. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
8. At this point the Government Team suggested a break for tea (at 3.15pm). TALKS SECRETARIAT Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 15.38 and closed at 20.05. 2. There were breaks from 17.25 to 17.45 and from 18.15 to 18.50. Mr Hanley had to leave the meeting at 18.15 and was replaced in the chair by Mr Fell on the re-commencement. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
At this point the Government Team called a break, and the meeting reconvened at 17.45 with the same cast. [Editor's Note: Normally, a new set of minutes begins after an adjournment, but in this case the minutes continue, so we do not include a fresh... Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
27. After a break for the parties to consider the draft document, the sub-Committee reconvened. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The parties were represented as before; the Government Team was represented by Messrs Fell and Hill only, with Mrs Pyper in attendance. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
TALKS SECRETARIAT [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Plenary session began at 14.17pm and ended at 14.32pm. Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The apology is noted.] Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. The UDUP delegation asked the Government Team how many responses it had received to its paper "Realities", dated 1 May. The Government Team said that it had not solicited any response but had received one from the UDUP delegation which had been... Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 11.35 am and finished at 12.15 pm. Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
It was agreed that the sub-Committee would resume 10 minutes after the end of the afternoon plenary for the purpose only of discussing amendments to those minutes, and to those of the present meeting. Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: No response is necessary.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
The meeting began at 15.04 and closed at 16.50. Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
Talks Secretariat [Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns at 16.50.] Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Statement from Secretary of State on Tuesday Night's Leak (15 May 1992) Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
All the parties agreed with the contents of the statement and that it should be issued for publication, a copy of which is attached. Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Report from the Sub-Committee Established on 11 May Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 10.41 and concluded at 11.54am. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The Spokesperson role is used when it is unclear from the minutes which member of a party delegation was speaking on behalf of the party.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The Spokesperson role is used when it is unclear from the minutes which member of a party delegation was speaking on behalf of the party.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The Spokesperson role is used when it is unclear from the minutes which member of a party delegation was speaking on behalf of the party.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The Spokesperson role is used when it is unclear from the minutes which member of a party delegation was speaking on behalf of the party.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The Spokesperson role is used when it is unclear from the minutes which member of a party delegation was speaking on behalf of the party.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 12.15 and concluded at 13.11. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
At this point the meeting adjourned. TALKS SECRETARIAT Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 2.20pm and finished at 3.55pm. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Talks Secretariat [Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned for tea.] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 16.17 and ended at 17.52. Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
PETER MAY Talks Secretariat [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 10.40 and concluded at 11.52am. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No response is required.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
16. At this point the meeting broke for coffee, to resume at 12.05. Talks Secretariat Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 12.14 and concluded at 13.06. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 14.22 and concluded at 16.05. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 16.30 and concluded at 17.48. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UUP delegation added that it would be "degrading" for all concerned to consult a sovereign Government in the next stage of the Talks in their present divided state. Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 10.32 and ended at 11.50am. Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 12.15pm and ended at 1.05pm. Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 14.15 and ended at 14.35. Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: No response is required.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. Following agreement that there was no further business for discussion, the Government Team thanked the party delegations and the meeting adjourned. TALKS SECRETARIAT Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Proposal for Further Plenaries and Meetings with Party Leaders Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Alliance delegation mentioned that they might have considerable difficulty with this but would talk to the Secretary of State about it separately. Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
3. The Government Team said that the best way forward might be for the four party leaders to meet the Secretary of State and Mr Hanley after Questions on 21 May in the Palace of Westminster. Wednesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
This was agreed by the party delegations, with the caveat that Dr Alderdice - who was unavailable - would be represented by Mr Morrow. Wednesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: They join the session.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: They join the session.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: The meeting begins with no indication of start or end time.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Tuesday February 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: They join the session.] Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: They join the session.] Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Conclusions of Meeting to Discuss Economic Development 2 March 1992 Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
2. Mr Loughran said that his aim was to present some of the issues, problems and opportunities facing the economic development agencies. The Department of Economic Development was organised in a way which was designed to maximise the contribution which... Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
5. In discussion Mr Hume said that in selling Northern Ireland to potential foreign investors it was important to quote the higher productivity figures which some companies in the Province under foreign ownership were already achieving. It was also... Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
DED to Produce Guidance Literature of its Own Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
7. In response Mr Hewitt said that there were difficulties in producing material which was relevant to a wide range of industries. LEDU had their own arranged industry and company specific seminars. Companies were also being drawn into trade mission... Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
After discussion it was agreed that officials would consider further what might be produced. Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Diversification of Agriculture Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
He quoted a recent example of where he had been able to bring together some potential French investors with people in his constituency over the possible development of a new shellfish venture. There was also a good deal of scope in the food production... Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
10. In discussion there was agreement that greater diversification and a concentration on more value added products by farmers and food processors was needed. Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Role of Party Spokesmen, Workers and Employers Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
17. Summing up the discussion after an hour the Secretary of State said that a number of important areas had been identified. There was clearly a substantial agenda for a further discussion with Mr Needham who unfortunately had been unable to attend... Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
14. The Secretary of State asked whether the party leaders thought that the parties themselves were doing enough to help and whether they had their own experts who could maintain a dialogue with companies interested in doing business with Northern... Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
12. Mr Molyneaux said that it was certainly the case that firms from abroad liked to talk to political parties as well as the Government. Persuading companies to invest in the Province required a coordinated effort on the part of Government, the... Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
15. Mr Hume said that he was sure that the other party leaders would share his view that each would play his part. But it was the responsibility of the Government to draw up an overall plan and then to invite individual parties to make their own... Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
Follow-Up Meeting Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: This was so.] Monday March 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: To represent the UK Government.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: To represent the Alliance.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: To represent the SDLP.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: To represent the DUP.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: To represent the UUP.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
After discussion, it was agreed some further discussion on item 6 might be useful, [Editor's Note: It was agreed that further discussion might be useful.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
TALKS SECRETARIAT TALKS/PM/RN/8319 [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Mr McGarry of the Alliance Party joins the committee for the first time.] Monday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Mr Lindsay joins the committee for the first time.] Tuesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Mr Brooker joins the committee for the first time.] Wednesday June 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Mr Ford of the Alliance Party joins the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Mrs Bradford of the UUP joins the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UDUP delegation indicated the main difference was that their proposals did not deal with committee arrangements for Strands Two and Three. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The UUP delegation said that parties could spend time before 27 April working on papers so that a prompt start could be made to business again. Monday March 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Government Team, commenting on the volume of work to be conducted, said meetings outside formal talks sessions might be useful to all concerned. [Editor's Note: Meetings outside formal talks are agreed as a solution.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting commenced at 12.52 and concluded at 12.59. Wednesday June 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Mr Morrow of the Alliance Party joins the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Mr Neeson of the Alliance Party joins the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Mr Farren of the SDLP joins the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Mr Vitty of the DUP joins the committee for the first time.] Monday March 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Mr Hanley joins the discussion as chair of the Business Committee.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: Mr Durkan of the SDLP joins the committee for the first time.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Talks Secretariat 30 April 1992 [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Wednesday April 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Each Delegation to Make a Short Oral Presentation Incorporating Views on the Principles Required of New Political Insitutions Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: It was so agreed.] Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Discussion on the Second Section of the Options Paper to be Remitted to a Sub-committee First Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
The Government Team argued that it was desirable to proceed with a plenary discussion of the general issues raised in the Institutions paper as this would make it easier subsequently to remit more detailed issues to sub-committee. Monday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
TALKS SECRETARIAT [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP Paper on Agreeing the Nature of the Problem 5.5.1992 Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
10. The UUP delegation said that in the context of discussing the institutional framework, they would wish to raise the question of ending the Order-in-Council procedure. They would return to this at the appropriate time. They were also concerned about... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
TALKS SECRETARIAT [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
TALKS SECRETARIAT [Editor's Note: The meetings ends.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Identities Sub-Committee
SUB-COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON 7 MAY 1992 TO DISCUSS THE QUESTION OF IDENTITIES Government Team Mr Hanley Mr Bell Mr Hill Talks Secretariat Mr Lindsay Also Present Mr Smyth Alliance Party Mr McBride Mrs Bell SDLP Mr Haughey Mr Durkan UDUP Mr... Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The SDLP Paper 'Agreeing the Nature of the Problem' is later discussed in the Identities Sub-committee meeting of 7 May.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: While we do not have the minutes of this meeting, from the timings of the Plenary sessions of the day, we know that the Party Leaders meeting took place during an adjournment from 11.30 am to 12.15 pm.] Thursday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
11. The UUP delegation stressed the need to ensure that any new structures devised for Northern Ireland were not incompatible with structures which might be established for other parts of the UK, such as Scotland and Wales. Any new institutions should... Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: Mrs Pyper joins the meeting in attendance.] Wednesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
TALKS SECRETARIAT [Editor's Note: The meeting ends.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: They join the committee for the first time.] Friday May 1992Committee: Political Structures Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns, during which time the Party Leaders and Plenary meet.] Friday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. The Alliance Party delegation asked, on the issue of workability, what would happen if the Commissioners could not agree. Would the day-to-day function of government be stopped? The SDLP said that the Ministers of State would administer Departments... Monday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Mr Beeton joins the committee for the first time.] Tuesday May 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
TALKS SECRETARIAT. [Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns.] Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. After an adjournment, Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This meeting was agreed as a compromise in an effort to maintain momentum until the talks could formally transition to Strand 2.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 14.38 and concluded at 16.45. Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 3.52pm and concluded at 4.03pm. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
After a short adjournment, Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF FIRST PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2 IN LANCASTER HOUSE, LONDON, ON MONDAY 6 JULY 1992 Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF SECOND PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2, HELD IN LANCASTER HOUSE, LONDON, ON TUESDAY 7 JULY 1992 Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Following an adjournment Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
8. The Chairman adjourned the meeting until 9.15am Wednesday 8 July. SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman 8 July 1992 Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF THIRD PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2 HELD IN LANCASTER HOUSE, LONDON, ON WEDNESDAY 8 JULY 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: As this meeting was held to set the agenda for Strand 2, Sir Ninian Stephen joined as Chair.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Proposal for Sub-Committee to Continue its Work (for Plenary Meeting on 3 June) Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. The Government Team was conscious that time was passing, and felt that this additional work would help to maintain the momentum towards the transition to Strand II at the first appropriate moment. The Government Team explained that Parliamentary and... Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Unionist parties said they were content with that proposal, noting that the Sub-Committee had originally agreed that personnel would not be rotated, but that an additional appointee would not cause a problem in this regard. Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Proposal for Sub-Committee to Continue its Work (for Plenary Meeting on 3 June): One Report to Plenary Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's note: It was so agreed.] Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Proposal for Sub-Committee to Continue its Work (for Plenary Meeting on 3 June): Alliance Suggestion Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The other party delegations agreed to this proposal. Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's note: No further amendments were made to the proposal, and the sub-committee continued its work on these lines.] Wednesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Sub-Committee Report (16 June 1992) Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The report was noted.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
He then read a statement, the text of which is attached. SECRETARY OF STATE'S STATEMENT TO PLENARY, 1 JULY 1992 1. When we last met around this table, on 12 June, I was able to make a statement which described the widespread agreement which existed... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
- Second, that Sir Ninian Stephen should be invited to convene a meeting the following week to which he would invite representatives of the two Governments and of the four Northern Ireland political parties participating in the talks to discuss a... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The copy of the statement we are using to model this session has had an amendment made to point 6 in the second Plenary session later in the day. It is not clear if this amendment was a simple correction of a printing error, or whether... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Official Launch of Strands 2 and 3 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Announcement of the Launch of Strands 2 and 3 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Constitutional Status of Northern Ireland Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
2. We have agreed a number of Common Themes Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
and a set of Common Principles which all agree should be the criteria against which any proposed arrangements should be judged. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
We also agreed a number of statements relevant to the need to protect, respect and express the identities of those from each of the main traditions within the community in Northern Ireland. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A certain measure of agreement on new political institutions was recorded in the Sub-Committee report of 13 May. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
A number of other important principles were acknowledged in the further Sub-Committee reported noted by plenary on 1 June. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Possible Outline Framework for new political institutions in Northern Ireland which was first considered by plenary on 3 June indicated a wider and higher level of provisional and conditional agreement. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Sub-Committee report of 10 June further expanded the amount of common ground, clearly identified the areas of disagreement and reached a measure of agreement on a range of other matters, especially the future relationship between any new political... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
That was supplemented, as I have mentioned, by the further Sub-Committee report of 16 June. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Official Welcome Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: In the intervening period, the Business Committee met to prepare a draft press release.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The meeting began at 4.56pm and concluded at 5.24pm. Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: We have no specific record of this meeting, but we know that at some time between 16:03 and 16:56, the Business Committee met and produced a draft press release.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Talks Statement (1 July 1992) Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Talks Statement (1 July 1992) Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
Business Committee Draft Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: The Business Committee drafted a press release at this point.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: The draft press release was then discussed and amended in Plenary session.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Talks Statement (1 July 1992) Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. The Government Team reported that the Business Committee had produced a draft press release. This was read out... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The final text is attached. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Plenary Amendments Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'amendments were agreed'.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 1
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Record of Plenary Meeting on 1 July at 15:52 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Although it is not explicitly stated, at this point the delegations must have agreed the text of the minute and of the Secretary of State's statement.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Irish Government: Strand 2 Agenda Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance: Strand 2 Agenda Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: As this meeting was held to set the agenda for Strand 2, the Irish Government delegation was invited to join.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP: Statement to Strand 2 Agenda-Setting Meeting Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP: Strand 2 Agenda Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP: Statement to Strand 2 Agenda-Setting Meeting Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP: Statement to Strand 2 Agenda-Setting Meeting Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Chairman's Assurances to the UUP Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The Chairman gave the assurances'.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: As this meeting was held to set the agenda for Strand 2, the Irish Government delegation was invited to join.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: As this meeting was held to set the agenda for Strand 2, the Irish Government delegation was invited to join.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: As this meeting was held to set the agenda for Strand 2, the Irish Government delegation was invited to join.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. A list of participants is attached at Annex 8. Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
At the conclusion of discussions the DUP reserved its position on the final document. (Text attached at Annex 7). Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
6. A list of participants is attached at Annex 8. Signed as a correct record [Signed] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. It was also worth recalling that the possible agenda for Strand 2 considered by the participants at the meeting on 19 June included "matters referred for consideration to Strand 3". Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 1 Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Secondly, work had been completed successfully on a possible agenda for Strand 2. The Irish Government hoped this could be approved by the participants and facilitate discussions in Strand 2, which the Irish Government viewed as particularly important... Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
RECORD OF A PRELIMINARY MEETING IN STRAND THREE FORMATION HELD AT THE QUEEN ELIZABETH CENTRE, LONDON, 30 JUNE 1992 UK Government Secretary of State Mr Hanley Mr Chilcot Mr Fell Mr Blatherwick Mr Thomas Also present Mr Alston Mr Bell Mr Cooke Mr... Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The Secretary of State said that the present meeting offered an opportunity to take the discussions forward in accordance with the 12 June 1992 statement on the next steps in the process, which envisaged: - a meeting convened by Sir Ninian Stephen... Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Political Talks: Practical Issues Concerning Strands Two and Three Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
8. The Secretary of State said that the British Government was a signatory to the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985. The Intergovernmental Conference established under the Agreement had provided a forum for exchanges between British and Irish Ministers and... Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
9. The Minister for Foreign Affairs said that the Irish Government believed that progress in relation to the problem of Northern Ireland could be found only through political dialogue which addressed the totality of relationships involved. The Irish... Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
It was right here to recall the common agreement that all three sets of discussions would be underway within weeks of each other. Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Immediate Launch of Strand 2 Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
21. The Secretary of State thanked the Minister for Foreign Affairs for his helpful remarks and noted the emphasis which he had placed on the principle that nothing was excluded from discussion. Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
SDLP: Strand 3 Agenda Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
24. When these statements had been concluded, the meeting broke for a 20-minute tea break, Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Strand 3 Agenda Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
The Minister for Foreign Affairs agreed that this reflected their joint views. (Text at Annex B). Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
11. The Minister for Foreign Affairs turned to the present meeting which had its origins in the statement of 12 June. Its purpose, as the Irish Government saw it was to give preliminary consideration to the issues likely to be on the agenda in Strand... Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Flexibility of Strand 3 Agenda Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Irish Government: Strand 3 Agenda Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
30. The Secretary of State then drew the meeting to a close. Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Irish Government: Strand 3 Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
He thanked the officials for bringing the process to the present stage in a good atmosphere. He look [sic] forward to the continuation of the process. The Minister for Foreign Affairs paid tribute to Mr Hanley for his valuable work during Strand 1. Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
- Third, that the two Governments should hold a meeting in Strand 3 formation which observers from each of the parties would be invited to attend for at least part of the time, to give preliminary consideration to the issues likely to arise in that... Wednesday July 1992Committee: Party Leaders
The Secretary of State and Mr Hanley held a number of meetings with the party leaders. Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
British Government: Strand 3 Agenda Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
25. When the meeting resumed, the Secretary of State read out the draft agenda (text at Annex A) and said that it seemed to cover all the points which had been raised in the previous discussion. He invited the Minister for Foreign Affairs to... Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Times of Meeting Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Removal of Morning Meeting Time Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Although we cannot be certain, since we do not have the final version of the statement, it seems likely that these amendments were agreed.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Although we cannot be certain, since we do not have the final version of the statement, it seems likely that these amendments were agreed.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
7. The Chairman adjourned the meeting until Tuesday morning, 7 July. 8. A list of members of each delegation is attached at Annex 9. SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman 7 July 1992 Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
5. Following the lunchtime adjournment, Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Government Consultation with Parties Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'It was understood'.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Timings Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This amendment was incorporated into the final document.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Discussion Wording Change Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: This amendment was incorporated into the final document.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Approval of the Draft Minute Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
the Chairman re-emphasised the crucial importance of maintaining confidentiality in relation to all the proceedings in Strand 2. Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
the minute was agreed. Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Business Committee to Be Established and Meet Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'It was agreed'.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Appointment of Business Committee Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
ANNEX 3 STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE Alliance A Morrow S Close Irish Government N Dorr S O hUiginn SDLP D Haughey B Rodgers UDUP P Robinson D Vitty UK Government J Hanley D Hill UUP K Maginnis J Cunningham Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: We have no further record of this meeting.] 4. It was agreed that a Business Committee should be established and should meet during the lunchtime adjournment. The Business Committee was duly appointed (composition at Annex 3) and met... Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
STRAND 2 BUSINESS COMMITTEE [...] UK Government [...] D Hill Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Final Version Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Tuesday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'He also undertook to'.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'The meeting was adjourned'.] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman 15 July 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF FOURTH PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2 HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS, BELFAST, ON WEDNESDAY 15 JULY 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman 16 July 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Irish Government to Table a Paper on Protestant Demographic Trends in the South Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: 'they agreed'.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Time of Adjournment Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We have not found the final version of this document. However, we assume the amendment was agreed.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: We have no record of this meeting.] A meeting of the Business Committee was held following the adjournment. Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: Sir Ninian Stephen also chaired the Strand 2 Business Committee.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF FIFTH PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2 HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS, BELFAST, ON THURSDAY 16 JULY 1992 Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman 17 July 1992 Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF SIXTH PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2 HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS, BELFAST, ON FRIDAY 17 JULY 1992 Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Following a further meeting of the Business Committee during the lunchtime adjournment, Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
A meeting of the Business Committee was held during the lunch adjournment. Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman 22 July 1992 Agreed [Signature] 22-7-92 Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[...] the Chairman reported at the start of the afternoon Plenary Session that he expected that decisions on outstanding issues would be reached at the next meeting of the Committee, to be held at 3.00 pm on Tuesday 21 July 1992. Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Since all the other documents pertaining to this meeting are dated 22 July 1992, and reference is made to the 21 July 1992 Business Committee meeting being held 'the previous afternoon', it is clear that '21' here is a typographical... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the party spokespeople as 'present', and everyone... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: These delegates are listed as having attended this meeting.] Monday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the party spokespeople as 'present', and everyone... Tuesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the party spokespeople as 'present', and everyone... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the party spokespeople as 'present', and everyone... Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the party spokespeople as 'present', and everyone... Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the party spokespeople as 'present', and everyone... Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Confidentiality Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman 23 July 1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned for lunch at this point.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF EIGHTH PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2 HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS, BELFAST, ON THURSDAY 23 JULY 1992 Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the party spokespeople as 'present', and everyone... Thursday July 1992Committee: Party Leaders
[Editor's Note: We have no other record of this meeting.] 3. The Chairman reported that he would meet with the delegation leaders at 10.00 am on Friday 24 July. Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman 24 July 1992 Thursday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes (official and internal) and the party spokespeople as... Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF NINTH PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2 HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS, BELFAST, FRIDAY 24 JULY 1992 Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Confidentiality Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting then adjourned temporarily for lunch.] Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
British Government: Response to Strand 2 Opening Statements Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Irish Government: Response to Strand 2 Opening Statements Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Alliance: Response to Strand 2 Opening Statements Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
DUP: Response to Strand 2 Opening Statements Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
UUP: Response to Strand 2 Opening Statements Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Clarification Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the final version of the document, but it seems likely from the draft that the amendment was made.] Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Dissatisfaction with Proceedings Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have any minutes for this meeting. However, we know that it took place. We have used the agenda for the meeting and the documents produced during the meeting to model the session.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the party spokespeople as 'present', and everyone... Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Amendment Consequent to Amendment to Section (c) of Plenary Proposals Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: We do not have the final version of the document, but it seems likely from the draft that this amendment was accepted.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] Wednesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: We have no record of this meeting.] 4. [...] It was agreed that the resumption of the plenary session would be preceded by a meeting of the Business Committee to commence at 10.00am. Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Joint Government] Plans for Adjournment Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Suggested Future Work Program 24.07.1992 Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: The future work programme was reported to Plenary.] Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: We have no record of this meeting, but we know from the record of the Strand 2 meeting on the following day that it took place and a schedule for further meetings was decided.] Thursday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Future Work Programme Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Suggested Future Work Programme 15.07.1992 Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: This document is not dated, but we know from the Chairman's report to Plenary on the morning of 16 July 1992 that a work program was under discussion during this meeting, but that no conclusions were reached on it.] Wednesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Future Work Programme Incorporating 16 July Suggestions 16.07.1992 Thursday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: This draft seems to have been worked up based on discussion in this meeting, so we have chosen to model it here.] Thursday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: The report made by the Chairman to Plenary suggests that this proposal was agreed.] Tuesday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: It appears that his future work programme was provisionally agreed, and the committee moved on to discuss plans for adjournment.] Friday July 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: We have no further record of this meeting.] 2. The Chairman reported that outcome of the meeting of delegation leaders that morning had been satisfactory and that the results would be discussed at the meeting of the Business Committee... Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Suggested Future Work Program 24.07.1992 Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The suggested work programme was agreed by all parties.] Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
In response to a question by the Chairman, that participants might want to forewarn others about papers, they might table not later than 28 August, Mr Molyneaux explained the UUP would write in; Friday July 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
the SDLP had plans to submit further papers, including on the issue of "allegiance". Dr Alderdice also promised further papers. The Irish would produce papers on underlying realities, common themes and constitutional issues. The Secretary of State... Friday July 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: Sir Ninian Stephen was appointed independent Chairman for Strand 2 of the Talks.] Friday June 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: George Thompson was PS to Sir Ninian. He was introduced to the Talks participants in the Chairman's opening statement to Strand 2 on 6 July 1992.] Friday June 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: Mr Thompson is introduced in the Chairman's opening statement to Strand 2.] Monday July 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: This paper was circulated to participants and next discussed at the Business Committee meeting on 1 September 1992, as outlined in the Strand 2 Future Work Programme adopted in Plenary on 24 July 1992.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: This paper was circulated to participants and next discussed at the Business Committee meeting on 1 September 1992, as outlined in the Strand 2 Future Work Programme adopted in Plenary on 24 July 1992.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: This paper was circulated to participants and next discussed at the Business Committee meeting on 1 September 1992, as outlined in the Strand 2 Future Work Programme adopted in Plenary on 24 July 1992.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: This paper was circulated to participants and next discussed at the Business Committee meeting on 1 September 1992, as outlined in the Strand 2 Future Work Programme adopted in Plenary on 24 July 1992.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: This paper was circulated to participants and next discussed at the Business Committee meeting on 1 September 1992, as outlined in the Strand 2 Future Work Programme adopted in Plenary on 24 July 1992.] Friday August 1992Committee: Office of the Strand 2 Independent Chairman
[Editor's Note: This paper was circulated to participants and next discussed at the Business Committee meeting on 1 September 1992, as outlined in the Strand 2 Future Work Programme adopted in Plenary on 24 July 1992.] Friday August 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: We have no record of this meeting, but we know that the Business Committee met on 1 September 1992 to consider the party position papers on Agenda Item 6 as outlined in the Future Work Programme adopted in Plenary on 24 July 1992. They... Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Alliance: Agenda Item 6 Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
British Government: Agenda Item 6 Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Irish Government: Agenda Item 6 (1): Identity, Allegiance and Underlying Realities Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Irish Government: Agenda Item 6 (2): Constitutional Issues Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
SDLP: Agenda Item 6 Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
UUP: Agenda Item 6 Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
Business Committee Report on Consideration of Agenda Item 6 (01.09.1992) Tuesday September 1992Committee: Business Committee Strand 2
[Editor's Note: Although we do not have the final version of the report, it seems probable that it was agreed without amendment in the business committee and then later amended in Plenary, since the initial media release prepared for 2 September 1992... Tuesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Business Committee Report on Consideration of Agenda Item 6 (01.09.1992) Wednesday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Plenary Meeting on Thursday 10 September 1992 Wednesday September 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
A Record of the Bilateral Meeting Between the Government and the Alliance Party 7 May 1991 Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Alliance Party Position Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Alliance Party Position Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
5. The Government Team emphasised their intention to reach a resolution as soon as possible, and were grateful for the Alliance Party's clear and helpful position. Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
[Editor's Note: Alliance contributions are noted.] Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
Confidentiality Tuesday May 1991Committee: British-Alliance Talks
The Government Team replied that everyone knew the location of the second strand to be an issue; questions from the media about whether plenaries were to start on 7 May could not simply be blocked. However, the expectation was that in future such... Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
4. The meeting was not attended by the UDUP. [Editor's Note: There is no list of attendees for this session. However, we do have a list of the delegates to Strand 2. We have marked these delegates as 'uncertain', those mentioned in the minutes and the... Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
MINUTE OF ELEVENTH PLENARY MEETING OF STRAND 2 HELD AT PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS, BELFAST, THURSDAY 10 SEPTEMBER 1992 Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourned.] SIR NINIAN STEPHEN Independent Chairman September 1992 Thursday September 1992Committee: Strand 2 Sub-Committee
[Editor's Note: This report was made to Plenary.] Thursday September 1992Committee: British-Alliance Talks
5. Returning to the location of the second strand, Dr Alderdice repeated that the Alliance Party were prepared to talk at any time, to anybody and anywhere. The only issue for them was one of practicality. If others insisted on ferrying themselves to... Tuesday May 1991Committee: All-Party Negotiations
Committee Progress Report on Agenda Item 6 Thursday September 1992Committee: All-Party Negotiations
[Editor's Note: The progress report was adopted.] Thursday September 1992