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The Forum for Political Dialogue met between 1996 and 1998 in Belfast as part of the negotiations that led to the Good Friday Agreement.
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The Northern Ireland Forum for Political Dialogue Record of Debates (Web Archive)
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Committee: The Forum
Antony Alcock joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
John Alderdice joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Eileen Bell joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Thomas Benson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Robert Bolton joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
David Brewster joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
David Browne joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Joe Byrne joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Cecil Calvert joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
David Campbell joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Gregory Campbell joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Hugh Carr joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Mervyn Carrick joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Hugh Casey joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
James Clarke joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Seamus Close joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Wilson Clyde joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Robert Coulter joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Malachi Curran joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Ivan Davis joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Nigel Dodds joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Arthur Doherty joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Jeffrey Donaldson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Mark Durkan joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Reginald Norman Morgan Empey joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
David Ervine joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Sean Farren joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Frank Feely joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Dorita Field joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Sam Foster joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
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Oliver Gibson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
John Gorman joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
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John Hume joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
John Hunter joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Derek Hussey joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
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Peter King joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Trevor Kirkland joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
St Clair McAlister joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
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Kieran McCarthy joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Donovan McClelland joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Robert Thomas William McCrea joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Alasdair McDonnell joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Alan McFarland joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Patsy McGlone joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Paddy McGowan joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Eddie McGrady joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Jack McKee joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Gary McMichael joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Monica McWilliams joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Alban Maginness joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Kenneth Wiggins Maginnis joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Maurice George Morrow joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Oliver Napier joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Sean Neeson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Dermot Nesbitt joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Conor Cruise O'Brien joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Ian Paisley joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Ian Paisley Jnr joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Joan Parkes joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Edwin Poots joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Margaret Ritchie joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Iris Robinson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Peter Robinson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Thomas Daniel Robinson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Brid Rodgers joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Jim Rodgers joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Pearl Sagar joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Jim Shannon joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Eric Smyth joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Hugh Smyth joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
William Snoddy joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
James Speers joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
May Steele joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Jonathan Stephenson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Des Stewart joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Robert Stoker joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
John Taylor joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
John Tierney joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
William David Trimble joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Peter Weir joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
John White joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Robert White joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Cedric Wilson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Sammy Wilson joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Robert McCartney joins the Forum Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Establishment of a Rules Committee with 10 Members who are Instructed to Appoint Additional Members Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Can Mr McCrea explain how he sees the balance of parties in the Forum as being reflected correctly in the interpretation of his party Leader? At that rate, there would be only four parties. Let us not forget that Bob McCartney was just... Friday June 1996Committee: Rules Committee
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. I remind you that the general rule for the conduct of business says quite clearly that, as an ex-officio member, "The Chairman shall not be entitled to a vote". Wednesday June 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editors' Note: Weir was a member for Standing Committee B (Education Issues) for the UUP. Note also that there is some discrepancy between our records. The Web Record of Debates lists Weir as a member but the The Activities and Achievements of the... Thursday September 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editors' Note: MacLennan was a member for Standing Committee B (Education Issues) on behalf of the Alliance Party. Note also that there is some discrepancy between our records. The Web Record of Debates lists MacLennan as a member but the The... Thursday September 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson rose. The Chairman: Are you supporting? Mr Peter Robinson: I am supporting. This is a proposal that I put to you, Sir, and to the Secretary while Members were signing the Roll. I made it very clear that is a matter not of what we... Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I find it very disconcerting when certain people stand up in the Forum and talk to us about people signing up to the Mitchell principles. You do not need to sign anything to be a Member of the Forum. You can be elected under the... Friday June 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editors' Note: English was a member for Standing Committee B (Education Issues) on behalf of the UDP. Note also that there is some discrepancy between our records. The Web Record of Debates list English as a member but the The Activities and... Thursday September 1996Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editors' Note: Keenan was a member for Standing Committee D (Agriculture and Fisheries Issues) on behalf of the NIWC. Note also that there is some discrepancy between our records. The Web Record of Debates lists Keenan as a member but the The... Thursday September 1996Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editors' Note: Ervine was a member for Standing Committee D (Agriculture and Fisheries Issues) for the PUP. [Editors' Note: Keenan was a member for Standing Committee D (Agriculture and Fisheries Issues) on behalf of the NIWC. Note also that there is... Thursday September 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editors' Note: It was agreed that the Committee would consider this further before continuing discussion in the Forum.] Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: Absolutely disgraceful. Mr Ken Maginnis: I assume that Mr Robinson was not referring to me. I do wish that there were less evident suspicion from my left and less evident aggression from my right. I do not think that either assists... Friday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Health Care Resolution Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: The other point that I want to raise was mentioned by Mrs Parkes. The troubles of the past fortnight have cost approximately £20 million. It has been implied that our current budget will have to cover that. Knowing the Government, I... Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I call Mr McCartney, who, I hope, enjoyed lunch. Mr McCartney: Unlike you, Mr Chairman, I avoided the curry, as I wish to keep my address as cool as possible. Most of the people here will be aware that I am not an Orangeman, though some... Monday July 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Well, I have good news for you: we have a Committee Clerk — a lady whom I do not know. I am not allowed these days to say "young lady". She is a young lady — oh, I have said it anyway — of considerable skill and background. She is in... Friday September 1996Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
The meeting was called to order at 10.00 am (Mr J R Gorman in the Chair). [Editors' Note: Unfortunately the Forum Record of Debates (Volume 2) is missing pages up to 10.30 am on 4 October 1996 and we must rely on the Web Archive edition of the text... Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Two Minutes' Silence Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Members observed two minutes' silence. [Editors' Note: Unfortunately the Forum Record of Debates (Volume 2) is missing pages up to 10.30 am on 4 October 1996 and we must rely on the Web Archive edition of the text and cannot therefore provide page numbers.] Friday October 1996Committee: Business Committee
Motion On Existing Committees Becoming Standing Committees Thursday October 1996Committee: Business Committee
[The Chairman:] After discussion with the Business Committee yesterday, I have placed before the Forum a motion about the Committees which does two things: provides terms of reference for the matter of boycotting, which, Members will recall, the Forum... Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Motion On Existing Committees Becoming Standing Committees Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have been fairly relaxed about this in any dealings I have had with Committees. All I am saying is that any Committee — any of the four, and perhaps more in future — should know who is being invited to support a party, particularly a... Friday October 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
Interim Report on Education Administration Monday September 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
Mr Gibson: I beg to move: That the Forum adopts the interim report on education administration in Northern Ireland prepared by the Education Committee on 30 September 1996 and forwarded to the Minister for Education with the request that he give... Monday September 1996Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: Membership of the Committees Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am very grateful to you, Mr Robinson. This is clearly a very important point. If we do not look out, people will just take it for granted that they can come in off the street. We must stop that. It is for the Committees to come clean... Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Interim Report on Education Administration Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Motion to Adopt the Interim Report On Education Administration Friday October 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The spokesperson will here be used to represent motions tabled on behalf of the party.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The spokesperson will here be used to represent motions tabled on behalf of the party.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The spokesperson will here be used to represent motions tabled on behalf of the party.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The spokesperson will here be used to represent motions tabled on behalf of the party.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The spokesperson will here be used to represent motions tabled on behalf of the party.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The spokesperson will here be used to represent motions tabled on behalf of the party.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The spokesperson will here be used to represent motions tabled on behalf of the party.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The spokesperson will here be used to represent motions tabled on behalf of the party.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
Christmas Recess Recommendation Thursday October 1996Committee: Business Committee
FORUM: CHRISTMAS RECESS The Chairman: The Business Committee has recommended that the Forum recess for the Christmas period on Friday 13 December — not a great day to do anything, Friday the 13th, but that is what seems to make sense — and reconvene... Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Christmas Recess Recommendation Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] In the intervening period, I have no doubt — judging from their performance so far — the Committees will be working actively. [Editors' Note: Unfortunately the Forum Record of Debates (Volume 2) is missing pages up to 10.30 am on 4... Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Resolved: [...] [Editors' Note: Unfortunately the Forum Record of Debates (Volume 2) is missing pages up to 10.30 am on 4 October 1996 and we must rely on the Web Archive edition of the text and cannot therefore provide page numbers.] Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: First of all, I wish to comment on the amendment and to indicate why, as a party, we will not accept it. I am not sure that it adds anything to the thrust of the motion. The emphasis of this debate should be on the Forum's putting... Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Amendment: Addition of Economy committee Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I will be supporting my party's amendment, as I cannot run with the Ulster Unionists on this issue. Many words have been spoken today. I want to approach some of them from a slightly different angle. I was glad to hear the word... Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Amendment: Extension of Standing Committee B Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
The Deputy Chairperson: I have also been informed that the Agriculture Committee intends to table its interim report next Friday. Do I have the Forum's agreement to these measures? Members indicated assent. Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: All of the proposed amendments are accepted.] Friday October 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is discussed by the Forum] Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
WRONG Corrected wording: Creation of Standing Committee E Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
WRONG Corrected wording: Changes to Committee B Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
WRONG Amendment: Removal of deadline Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum agrees.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum agrees.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum agrees.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: The Anglo-Irish Agreement is the impediment to political progress in Northern Ireland. This undemocratic and unrepresentative form of governance has been imposed. Therefore, it is by any definition illegitimate and must be removed. This... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Reversion to Secretary of State's Rules Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
10.15 am The Chairman: In your thanks to various people, you said more about me than I deserve. However, I appreciate your comments. I know that the Committee has operated extremely well. Indeed, it is a good model for all the others. Mr McFarland:... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Review of Fisheries Issues in Northern Ireland Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Replies from Ministers Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Adoption of the Fisheries Issues Report Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: I would like to address the recommendation in paragraph 5.13, which says "The Committee views with concern the declining number of young people becoming fishermen, notes the rising cost of licences (due to decommissioning) which has... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I too wish to pay tribute to the Chairman and other members of the Committee, as well as to the Secretariat, for the good work that has been done to get this report before the Forum today. Although I personally am not directly involved in... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Take a break Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum adopts the report on fisheries issues in Northern Ireland, prepared by Standing Committee D (Agriculture and Fisheries Issues), and asks the Chairman to forward the report to the Minister... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The sitting was suspended at 12.08 pm and resumed at 12.22 pm. Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
ELDERLY PEOPLE Mr McMichael: Before moving the motion I want to add my voice to those of the others Members who have expressed good wishes to Ernie Fowler and Andrew Dodds. I hope they will both have a speedy recovery. Friday November 1996Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the Elderly Thursday November 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is tabled for discussion by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Elderly Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms Bell: May I echo the sentiments of the Chairman and the Vice-Chairman about the work of Colleagues on the Committee. That work and the very constructive spirit in which it was done augur well, showing that consensus can be achieved if we work... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: May I say, for the record, that Ernest Fowler asked me to convey his good wishes to all the members of the Committee, with whom he has been proud to serve. He is making an excellent recovery. At the moment he is in the Ulster... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: I feel that I should ask for your indulgence, Mr Chairman, and the indulgence of the Forum as I shall be slightly repetitive. The Chairman: Slightly, Mr Bolton. We have had this before. Mr Bolton: Like other Members, I pay tribute to Ms... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: I rise to support the motion. While I am not a member of the Committee, I have some interest in the debate. I want to pay tribute to all the members of the Committee, which has set a bench-mark for the Forum and has demonstrated how... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum adopts the final report on education administration in Northern Ireland (education and library boards), prepared by Standing Committee B, and decides to forward it to the Minister responsible for... Friday November 1996Committee: Standing Committee D
Review of Fisheries Issues in Northern Ireland Friday November 1996Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: The report is considered by the Forum on this day.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: May I first commend the Chairman, the Vice-Chairman and the other members of the Education Committee for their report and for having it approved today. I was asked to make, at the outset of my remarks, a brief statement with regard... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: Like other Members, I congratulate the Chairman and his Committee on their report. I wish to bring one point to the attention of Members. Mr Stewart drew attention to paragraph 5.7, which refers to the Isle of Man and its fishing rights.... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting breaks and then resumes.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: I rise to support the motion, which appears to ask the Government to do a little more for the elderly. Of course, we would all welcome that. We are aware of the difficulties facing elderly people, particularly during the winter, but I... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: I should like to pay tribute to Mr McMichael, who moved the motion. This is a very worthwhile debate. Some people might say that the motion does not go far enough, but at least the subject has been aired. The Government may not listen closely... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum calls on the Government, particularly during the coming winter period, to direct more resources towards alleviating the plight of senior citizens. Friday November 1996Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Paedophile Activities Thursday November 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum.] Thursday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Motion on Paedophile Activities Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: Paedophile activity disconcerts and worries us. It is a taboo subject that we do not feel comfortable discussing. Nonetheless, it has to be addressed. The issue has been increasingly in the news in the last few months ¾ indeed, the last few... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Continue to 4.15 pm Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: No. The Chairman: In that case we have only five minutes for two speeches. Mr Shannon: I propose that we continue for 15 minutes. I think Mr Rodgers was being facetious. The Chairman: All right. I am sure that Mr Rodgers would be the... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I must say that I read with great interest something that I am sure must have struck everybody - that herrings are dying of old age in the North Channel and around the Isle of Man. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: There's hope for some of us... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Debate suspended. Resolved: That the sitting be extended to 4.15 pm. — [Mr Shannon] Debate resumed. Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Robert John White: This is unlike other debates. It is no pleasure to speak on this subject. Mr McAlister and others have left very little to say, so I will be brief. There is a time to laugh — maybe no one needs to say this more than I — and there... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That in the light of recent events, locally, in the rest of the United Kingdom and across Europe, regarding paedophilic activities, this Forum seeks assurances from the Secretary of State on policing and... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
12.00 The Chairman: Mr Speers, who is a member of the Committee, has asked if he may very quickly make a couple of points. I should like him to be brief as we are hoping to have a short interval before the next debate. Mr Speers: I will be as brief... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Christmas Celebration Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: There are no objections to the Chairman's proposed scheduling.] Friday November 1996Committee: Business Committee
Motion on All-Ireland Harmonization Thursday November 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum considers this the following day.] Thursday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Motion on All-Ireland Harmonization Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: Rubbish. Mr McCartney: I hear a nay from Mr Rodgers, which I will ignore. On Monday of this week, before Mr Major made his announcement, it was possible for the entire pro-Union people to subscribe to a set of six principles for the... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: In the British House of Commons yesterday the Government used a ploy so that the representatives from Northern Ireland could not discuss a statement by the Prime Minister. Their message-boy to Dick Spring - one Andrew Hunter - put a... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: I am quite reluctant to intervene. Several Members: Sit down then. Mr McMichael: I will not sit down, but, unlike some Members, I will restrict myself to the content of the motion. Many people will identify North-South relationships... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: speech makers should stay in place Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Point of order: Unparliamentary language Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: When we discussed all this in the Rules Committee — I have got its name right this time — we decided that "lie" is unparliamentary. Mr Ken Maginnis: I am quite prepared to withdraw "Damned lies" and to substitute the more acceptable but... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: protest at use of 'idiot' Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Suspend the meeting Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 11.22 am and resumed at 11.26 am. Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Mr Chairman, I am definitely going to be brief. Because you hurt my feelings I do not intend to use the allotted time. I want, first — and here I have no wish to hurt your feelings — to make it quite clear that you have no authority... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: I fully endorse the motion presented by the United Kingdom Unionist Party. Members have already heard that the origins of the harmonization that we are opposing are to be found as far back at least as the Anglo-Irish Agreement. Of... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We are very pleased to note that the motion put forward by the United Kingdom Unionists approves of co-operation with the Irish Republic on matters of mutual benefit. We too support close working relationships because these bring real... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: Like Mr McFarland, I was amazed at the comments of the Members from the Alliance Party and the Women's Coalition. They have failed to read properly and get into the spirit of this very worthwhile motion, on whose introduction I... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
12.30 pm Mr Stoker: It is a privilege to speak on this motion. While I welcome it, I do not believe that it goes far enough. I shall not be suggesting any amendment, as I accept the intentions behind the motion. Let us have a quick look at it. The... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Ability to invite outsiders to speak] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The 2 minutes silence was observed.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: First of all, I should like to thank Mr McMichael and the UDP for bringing forward this important motion. Winter is one of the most difficult times of the year, particularly for the elderly. Very often the problem of loneliness is... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
2.30 pm Mr Jim Rodgers: In supporting the motion, I speak from personal experience of what my 89-year-old mother has had to put up with for a number of years. The cut-backs have certainly hit senior citizens very hard. We often hear from Mr Major and... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: It is ironic that Mr Maginnis did not raise this matter when Dr Paisley was leaving, but there are obvious reasons for that. Dr Paisley had a pressing appointment. It is ironic that the Leader of the Member's own party was not here at the... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.27 pm and resumed at 1.49 pm. Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
ALL-IRELAND HARMONIZATION Debate resumed on motion: This Forum, while approving of co-operation with the Irish Republic on matters of mutual interest and benefit, deprecates the attempt to bring about all-Ireland harmonization as a step towards the... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: I have no surprises. Everyone knows where I stand in this debate: I certainly support the motion. I am opposed to all-Ireland institutions, which have no place in the life of Northern Ireland. Like Mr Shannon, who talked about good... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr King: In a display of cross-party harmony, I too support the motion. There should be no doubt at all in anyone's mind where the Ulster Unionist Party stands on this issue. Members on these Benches strongly support all trade and economic... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Lack of quorum Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: May we not call for other Members who are in the building? Mr Poots: My name was not put forward, but I understood that I was to be allowed to speak. The Chairman: If we get a quorum, you will certainly get your five minutes. Forum... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday December 1996Committee: Standing Committee A
Review of Boycotting of Businesses in Northern Ireland Thursday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: There are still four Members who want to speak on this motion. All are from the DUP — Mr Shannon, Mr Stewart, Mr McCrea and Mr Calvert. I am in your hands as to the time available for the debate on paedophilia. Mr Shannon: I would like... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson: We have recently had the horrors of Bristol shown on our television screens. Now there is news of the happenings in Brussels, where paedophilia is reaching even into the higher echelons of society. The Chambers Dictionary defines... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Provide update on meeting with S of S for Agriculture Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Conclude UKUP motion debate by 3:00 Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: I have listened with interest to the very informative and extremely well presented addresses of Mr McAlister and Mr Benson. They have dealt, to a high degree, with the particularities of this problem in modern society. I would like to... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We discussed in the Rules Committee the question of a Member's response to what seemed to be an insulting or untruthful statement by another Member. I think that we were wise to do that, but, whether wise or not, we decided to leave the... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: I rise to support the motion, following the diversionary tactics of some Members. The motion goes to the heart of relationships between the two states that share this island, this piece of territory. We have noticed over the last... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I shall not take another point of order on this matter. It has been dealt with. Please continue, Mr Paisley. Mr Hugh Smyth: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: As Mr Maginnis has withdrawn his untruthful comment — Mr... Friday November 1996Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: The report is sent to the Forum for consideration.] Thursday December 1996Committee: The Forum
It was so decided. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
O'Brien's recovery Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Yes, indeed. And I look forward to reading about Thomas Jefferson. Friday December 1996Committee: Business Committee
Human Rights Motion Thursday December 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Business Committee agree to the motion as a part of the agenda for the Forum the following day] Thursday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Human Rights Motion Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: The proposer of the motion has established what is right in international law, but I do not take much comfort from that. Indeed, internationalization of the Ulster problem does not help us one tiny bit. What matters is not what... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: We too are very pleased to speak in support of this motion. It is our view that respect for and defence of human rights must be a part of any lasting political settlement. We believe that a key route to resolving some of the conflicts... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Consideration of creating a Bill of Rights Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman suggests this and asks members to consider it, and the matter is moved away from at this point.] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
11.15 am Mr Stoker: Human rights can be a very emotive issues. If you were to go out to the street and ask someone if he believed in human rights he would say without hesitation "Yes, I do." But if you were to ask him to explain what he perceived... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I will be very brief as Mr McCartney has covered everything. I am delighted that he would love to see people in the Shankill and the Falls having the same opportunity as the those in Cultra. That is a wonderful thought. Many former Falls... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I believe that Mr Smyth may have quite a good point. What I am trying to do, as Members have probably realized, is to prevent the Forum from becoming a bear-pit, with people using the intimidatory phrase "point of order". What we need is... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: Thank you, Mr Chairman. I am only sorry that the Ulster Unionists have created such a smoke-screen and have brought the Forum into such disrepute. Most people outside will find that disgusting. What does harmonization mean? In... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: I have to laugh at the idea of some people talking about human rights. The paramilitaries are represented here today. I am glad that one Member has at last come out and said that he is a representative of the paramilitaries. But... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: The Northern Ireland Forum for Political Dialogue affirms the importance of human rights and the international rule of law and calls on the Secretary of State, in person, to indicate to the Forum what steps the... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Take a break Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspended and then resumed without discussion.] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Allow Wilson to raise a point relevant to the Rules Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Letter from Neil Latimer to the Chairman Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: I was leading a delegation from the city of Armagh to the United States when that debate took place. I happen to know the Latimer family, including Neil, and, having read the record of the debate, I have the utmost pleasure in being... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: I appreciate this opportunity to raise a matter that I am sure Members will agree is serious. As I do not have a copy of the Rules here I am not sure under which one you may wish to consider the matter, Mr Chairman. It is really a... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Let me finish. There is a quote from the Women's Coalition, so will please investigate? I will certainly rule on the matter when I have heard the background. I am grateful to you, Mr Wilson, for raising it. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I am sorry that Dr Paisley is not present to hear that I agree with what has been said about graffiti on any church. That is utterly wrong. Churches are places of worship, places to which people go to hear the Word of God. I hope that... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: As a Committee Chairman myself, I fully appreciate what the Chairman of Standing Committee A has said. If we are to deal with matters of this type we should not restrict our treatment to the Women's Coalition or to this subject. All such... Friday December 1996Committee: Business Committee
Roads and Transport Motion Thursday December 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Business Committee agree to the motion as a part of the agenda for the Forum the following day] Thursday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Roads and Transport Motion Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: About six more Members want to speak on the harmonization motion, as well as a number whom I hope to call to complete the five-minute-speech debate, but first I invite Mr David Campbell and Mr Shannon to update us briefly on the... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
FISHERIES ISSUES The Chairman: Mr Shannon, as you are next on my list for the harmonization debate, you may roll the two subjects into one speech. I will give you an extra two minutes. Mr Shannon: I appreciate your offer, Mr Chairman, and will take... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I am grateful to the Forum for allowing this very important issue to be debated today. I should like to start with two short quotes which I think underline many of the problems that face us, particularly those of us who live in the Greater... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: The Northern Ireland Women's Coalition welcomes the opportunity to debate transport policy. We are pleased that there is recognition of the need for change. There are many reasons for welcoming the Government policy document 'Transportation —... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: We all know that the roads in the east of the province are far superior to those in the west, but I do not think that it would serve any useful purpose to turn this into an east-west debate. That would be self-defeating. It is a known fact... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: As one who comes from the east — not as a wise man, but as one born in the west of the province — I have a wee bit of insight into our roads situation. Contrary to the comments of Mr Morrow and Mr Gibson — and I am sure that MrHussey will... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Write a letter to the DOE regarding the gritting of bus routes Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you, Mr Stewart. Such commendable brevity should be rewarded by a letter, just as you suggest. Do Members agree? Several Members: Agreed. The Chairman: That is particularly relevant to buses. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Hussey: I rise to add my voice to the chorus of the song of the western men. Members will remember that I referred to this matter in the economy debate on 11October. On that occasion I related the standard of roads to the economic well-being of an... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: Today a lot has been said about particular issues in the east/west debate. The subject has been well covered — ad nausem, some might say — by some of the Members from the west. It has been well covered so far as the nitty-gritty is... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Wind up the debate Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: This has been an interesting debate, and I am happy to say that there appears to be broad agreement from most parties — at least the parties of significant numbers — to the terms of the motion. I hear, of course, murmurings of discontent... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. I put my name down. The Chairman: Yes, but I have a note saying "if there is time". It is now eight minutes to four. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have to decide whether to take a vote on this by going through the procedure with the three-minute delay, or just take a show of hands. I am quite open to doing either. If you are all happy, let us proceed with a show of... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I now have a very awkward duty to perform, as Members will know from what I said two weeks ago. I have to consider — and I have been doing so not just today but all week — whether I can, in conscience, say that the resolution can... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Update from the Chairman on meeting with Mayhew Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Review of Boycotting of Businesses in Northern Ireland Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Postpone the debate on the Boycotting report Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman rejects other Members' calls to speak, and Neeson gives the winding up speech.] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: I should like to make one point following the comment about the late arrival of the report. This should not be attributed in any way to the Committee Clerk. It has nothing to do with any problem in the Secretariat. It is attributable... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: This motion deals with the fundamentals upon which we must concentrate when looking for a peaceful settlement in Northern Ireland, because central to the search for a new settlement is ensuring that rights and freedoms are protected. This... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns.] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Christmas and New Year Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Members do not object to the scheduling and the wishes go uncommented upon.] Friday December 1996Committee: Business Committee
Public Expenditure (Cuts) Motion Thursday December 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered and debated by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Speeches to be limited to five minutes Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: I apologize if I should be repetitive, but I was out of the Chamber for some time. The Chairman: Be very careful because I am getting very tough about repetition. There are some scars borne by Members on your side of the House. Mr Poots: I... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
It was so decided. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Close the debate on public expenditure by noon Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
FORUM: REPORT ON BUSINESS BOYCOTTS The Chairman: Last week Mr Cedric Wilson, Chairman of Standing Committee A, referred to the inaccuracy of a report in the media which attributed remarks about the Committee's review of the boycotting of businesses to... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Sympathies to Malachi Curran Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
11.45 am The Chairman: Order. Mr Ervine: I will start where I was: by saying that of course we deplore a death threat against a Member of the Forum, no matter where it comes from. But I heard an RUC officer say on live radio yesterday that the death... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Members: Hear, Hear. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
BUSINESS BOYCOTTS Mr Cedric Wilson: I beg to move: That the Forum adopts the interim report on the review of boycott of businesses prepared by Standing Committee A (Public Order Issues). In view of the goodwill that has been so apparent among all... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Rule under rule 13.1 that the report does not command support across various traditions Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
NIWC to withdraw allegation of factual inaccuracies Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Alcock: We have heard a great deal today about human rights, and Members opposite have referred to parity of esteem. The problem about talking of rights is that there is another side to having rights, and that is having duties. Little has been said... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The NIWC refuse to rescind their comments about the inaccuracies] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Take a vote on the Boycotting Report Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Question put. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Public Expenditure (Cuts) Motion Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: The decision by the Government to redirect Northern Ireland block-grant money from social and economic matters to security and compensation will undoubtedly result in very serious disadvantage for our people. There is no question about... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We too support the motion, as some Members may be delighted to hear. We are very concerned about these public expenditure cuts. The one thing that we particularly looked forward to was the £8 million that was supposed to come for nursery... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: Like everyone else, I think that there was some inevitability about these cuts. The real issue here is the shock at their extent. We have all got used to the fact that the Tory Government cut services, but the way they put the boot... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum condemns the public expenditure cuts across Northern Ireland public services which were announced by the Secretary of State on 10 December 1996. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have gone seven minutes over time. That is excellent. I hope that everybody feels that we have covered the subject fairly well. Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned, and the Forum began its Christmas recess.] Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
NEIL LATIMER The Chairman: I thought that it would be interesting for Members to hear a letter which I received today from Mr Neil Latimer in Her Majesty's Prison Maghaberry: "Dear Mr Gorman I have recently received a copy of the debate on 1... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Actions on NIWC comments to the Press Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I do not, but I wonder if Ms Sagar would like to say anything about the matter. Ms Sagar: I have not been speaking to the press, but that is neither here or there. We have not given the press a copy of the report. So far as I know, it... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I would like to thank you, Sir, for the condolences that you have expressed to Mr Bolton and to the family of Mr Fowler. Also, Sir Oliver Napier, Iunderstand, lost a brother, and we express our sympathy to him. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Correspondence Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Limit the debate to an hour with 5 minute speeches Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: When you mentioned infrastructure funds I was very much reminded of my time with the Housing Executive. Hundreds of houses were built in Northern Ireland in consequence of the realization of Belfast City's Lord Mayor of the time, John... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: Mr Chairman, I was not quite sure, when you asked the Women's Coalition to give you some information, whether it was your intention to make a ruling on the matter today. I understand that the Women's Coalition Member has now left the... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr McFarland: For a couple of mornings a week I am fortunate, living about 10 minutes away from my work, that I can stay a bit longer abed and listen to the radio. Every 20 minutes or so there are traffic forecasts: the M1 — as it was this morning — is... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Members do not object to this manner of debating.] Friday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
Senior Citizens Cold-Weather Payments Motion Thursday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered and debated by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Senior Citizens Cold-Weather Payments Motion Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: I should like, before dealing with the motion, to follow you, Mr Chairman, and other Members by offering my sympathy and that of the UDP to Mr Robert Bolton on the death of his son, to the United Kingdom Unionists on the death of their... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: I rise to support the motion on roads and transport — perhaps from a perspective different from that of many other Members — having, after lengthy negotiations with the Minister, in association with other people, had the pleasure of hearing... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have five DUP Members and two Ulster Unionist Members still on the list. Mr Peter Robinson: I welcome the motion in the name of the Alliance Party. I support its thrust and, in particular, the recognition of the importance of greater... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The Question is that the motion standing in the name of Mr Leeson be made. Mr Taylor: Neeson — not Leeson Street. Mr Neeson: The name is Sean, not Mick. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Mr Neeson, Sir. The Chairman: Did I say Leeson? I am thinking... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Sir Oliver Napier: I support the report. I should like, first, to get some definition of boycotting. We all have a right to prefer one shop over another because, for example, its prices are lower or its staff more pleasant. If I am stopped at an... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: I want to draw attention immediately to this chilling headline: "Cold Grave the Choice for the Old". We want such headlines to disappear from local newspapers. While critical of the Government for their policy towards the elderly, I have... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I wish to speak very briefly. Although I am not convinced that the motion goes far enough, I support it. I do so for the simple reason that it is our only opportunity to speak on this subject. In many ways — this may surprise some... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: As Chairman of the Education Committee, I should like to express sympathy to Mr Robert Bolton, a Committee member, on the death of his son and to the United Kingdom Unionists on the death of Mr Ernest Fowler. May I also express my sympathy... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have concluded the debate in an hour. That is very satisfactory. Several Members who would have liked to speak gave way. It was very kind of them to do so. Now we come to a historic event — a motion in the names of the members of the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Robert John White: With reference to comments made by the Committee Chairman, Mr Wilson, you, Mr Chairman, will not have any difficulty in respect of the outcome of this debate. You will no doubt deem it to be acceptable. As the Committee Chairman... Friday December 1996Committee: Business Committee
Address Invitations Motion Thursday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Address Invitations Motion Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: Why do we put the motion forward at this time other than that a great deal of pressure was put on us to do so? We always envisaged the Forum as a place of discussion about the kind of society we would like to see developing in Northern... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: We welcome the proposition brought forward by the Northern Ireland Women's Coalition. Indeed, we could scarcely do otherwise as the view that they have set out is the one that we ourselves put forward when the matter of an elected body... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Creation of a Liaison Committee Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: The Women's Coalition opposes the motion as it cannot agree with the report presented by Standing Committee A. Let me state our reasons. We believe that the form and tenor of the report are contrary to the duty of the Forum to promote... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspends and then reconvenes.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: In rising to support the amendment I want to say that the most casual of observers on the political scene in Northern Ireland would readily come to the opinion that we have been denied democracy or been weaned away from democracy over the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Address Invitations Motion: Grammar of final line Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Robert John White: We could do as we have done in the past and debate this for the next hour. It would not really do society or mankind one bit of good and the earth would not be tilted to the slightest degree off its axis. But as long as everybody... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I rise in the knowledge that I know exactly what the DUP amendment is about. I am sorry Mr Hugh Smyth is never here whenever I wish to make a comment. I do not know whether this a tactical move or what. This morning he said that for the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Question, That the amendment be made, put and agreed to. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: There are four more Members who would like to speak, including MrHughSmyth, who has returned. Do you want to speak, Mr Smyth? Mr Hugh Smyth: Not on this subject, Mr Chairman. I have already made my views known. I understand, however,... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Donaldson, will you please wind up as quickly as you can. Mr Donaldson: As Vice-Chairman of the Committee I should like to add to the expressions of thanks to the Chairman and the other members, but especially to the Secretariat, and... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
A Member: Get to your feet now. Ms Sagar: If the Member gives way I will answer that. [Interruption] The Chairman: We can do without these comments. Mr Donaldson: If Ms Sagar is prepared to indicate — Ms Sagar rose. The Chairman: I cannot allow... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Main Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved: As a way of meeting its objective of promoting dialogue and understanding, the Forum agrees that suitable individuals and representative organizations be invited occasionally to address the... Friday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
Ulster-Scots Motion Thursday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ulster-Scots Motion Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs I Robinson: In commending this report to the Forum, I wish to add my voice to the congratulations that have been expressed to the Chairman and Vice-Chairman for the excellent way they conducted the meetings of Standing Committee A. They did so in a... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: The proposal before us today is one that I have been quite anxious to bring before the Forum for a long time. I am glad that we now have the opportunity to set the record straight. It is an opportunity for everyone here to grasp his true... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: I rise to support the motion. I congratulate Mr Shannon for bringing it forward because this is something which someone like myself, who comes from Ballymena, can identify with very clearly. When I first came from Tyrone to the Ballymena... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: I spraghle to support the motion. I have been surprised at times during this debate. The Chairman: May I stop you for a moment? The ladies who are working on the Record of Debates will perhaps require a little lesson from those of you who... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
2.45 pm Rev Trevor Kirkland: I welcome the motion before us today. It serves two purposes and the first is to give Members an opportunity to explore the richness and diversity of our country. The other purpose it serves is to expose the number of... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum encourages all funding agencies to support the allocation of seeding grants to Ulster-Scots groups and communities. This Forum further states that, given the funding presently available to Irish... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Send a copy of proceedings to Dr Adamson Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
It was so decided. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Donaldson: This report has much to commend it. With regard to the comments in the 'Belfast Telegraph' last week, the Women's Coalition have attempted to undermine the evidence by making the spurious point that Business and Professional People for... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: Yes, we do. The Chairman: Would a show of hands be sufficient? Ms McWilliams: It would be sufficient if it were recorded. Several Members: No. The Chairman: I addressed the question to Ms McWilliams. Would a show of hands be... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
The Forum divided: Ayes 55; Noes 2. Ayes: Antony Alcock, Lord Alderdice, May Beattie, Eileen Bell, ThomasBenson, Robert Bolton, David Browne, CecilCalvert, David Campbell, GregoryCampbell, Mervin Carrick, JamesClarke, Wilson Clyde, RobertCoulter,... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: Mr Chairman, may we have your ruling under Rule 13.1? The Chairman: I was just about to do that. I have read the report carefully and have listened carefully to the matters that have been discussed, which could, subject to the... Friday December 1996Committee: The Forum
Security Situation Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No objections are made to the Chairperson's suggestion.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you, Mr Maginnis. What you have said will be faithfully reported in the Record of Debates. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Schedule for the day Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No objections are raised to this plan for proceedings.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: Much could be said, but as I have only five minutes I will concentrate on two statements made by the Secretary of State this week. He said, first, that long-term and youth unemployment is falling. That statement was made in the context of... Friday December 1996Committee: Business Committee
Terrorist Crime Legislation Motion Thursday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered and debated by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Terrorist Crime Legislation Motion Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr King: It is with a rather heavy heart that I have to propose this motion. As I am a practising lawyer, nothing would give me more satisfaction than proposing a motion consigning anti-terror legislation to the waste-paper bin of history. As things... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: In the first place we looked at the motion with a degree of sympathy because, obviously, terrorism is a serious matter which has to be addressed. Having looked again, however, we thought that it was not particularly helpful to be calling... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: In proposing this amendment, we feel that it is important to draw attention to the report of the inquiry into legislation against terrorism that the Right Honorable the Lord Lloyd of Berwick presented last October. I assume that it is... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: I welcome this debate. While supporting the motion, we are concerned about its rather anaemic form and muddled approach. At this time there is no point in calling on the Government to involve themselves in an examination of... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Paisley: With regard to security in Northern Ireland, we have the worst situation ever, and it has come about simply because of the actions of successive British Governments and many politicians in Northern Ireland. Both Nationalists and... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: I should like to express my thanks to you, Mr Chairman, and to the other Members and the staff for their words of sympathy on our tragic bereavement. My family are deeply humbled at the tributes paid by all concerned. Thank you very... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We are indeed accepting the DUP amendment. The Chairman: That is very helpful. Mr McFarland: It is very welcome news. We in the Education Committee have recently been discussing how we might introduce the views on education of... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
11.00 am Mr McCartney: There are elements in the motion that I would be happy to support, but aspects of both amendments too raise interesting and worthwhile points. I think that one should attempt an overview of what is being suggested here. First... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: The debate so far has been marked by a very important and, indeed, necessary academic element, but I wish to speak to the motion from the perspective of the ordinary, decent, law-abiding citizen. If the motion is demanding a critical and... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: I wish to congratulate those Members who have drawn attention to and analysed the political will of the present Government and their lack of determination. That was very clearly illustrated only several week ago when our Prime... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: When I think of Sir Winston Churchill I am reminded of a programme I watched not very long ago about his life, and I see that history is being repeated. Churchill warned the nation what would take place. The weak politicians did not... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn before the recorded vote Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: I am pleased to propose this motion on behalf of the Business Committee. The issue is familiar to all elected representatives as it raises its head about this time every year. The plight of the elderly is very important to those of us... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We would prefer a recorded vote. The Chairman: Very good. We shall adjourn for three minutes and then have our vote. [Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns for 3 minutes] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for Lunch Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: Like everyone else, I wish to express condolences to those who lost loved ones during the recess and to voice condemnation of the most barbarous attempt to rob a Member of this Forum of his life in the Royal Belfast Hospital for... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.45 pm and resumed at 2.00 pm. Friday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
Housing Executive Motion Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Address Invitations Motion: DUP Amendment Friday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Housing Executive Motion Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: The Forum, having already demonstrated its interest in Housing matters, supports the Government's intention to bring forward legislation to transfer its powers of regulation to the Housing Executive and asks that... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Members are made aware of the visit, and no objections are made.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Hospice Collection Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I may well have to go to the doctor because, for the second time this morning, I am agreeing with Mr McCartney. There is more than flu in the air, I am afraid. On a serious note, I welcome the fact that the Women's Coalition has agreed... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: I want to be very brief. I am concerned about us debating this motion, because in fact the original motion proposed by the Women's Coalition seems to be an effort, a genuine attempt, to change the Rules we debated and spent so much time on... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman registers their thanks and the session moves on.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
POLICE COMPLAINTS SYSTEM (HAYES REPORT) The Chairman: The next item on the Order Paper is a presentation from Dr Maurice Hayes on his report on the police complaints system, which was published yesterday. I am delighted that Dr Hayes, whom many of you... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Hayes is now giving his presentation to the Forum] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
A Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland: A review of the Police Complaints system in Northern Ireland Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Organisation of the Q&A session Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No objections are raised to this means of proceeding.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: Matters which concern society in Northern Ireland are not confined merely to mundane and administrative issues. There are political, judicial, law-and-order, constitutional and, indeed, the community-relations issues identified in the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I was very interested in what MrMaginnis was saying. Perhaps he would like to put in writing to the parties his proposals for the "Liaison Committee" that he talks about. We would all want to study them carefully. I understood — I... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: First, I want to thank Dr Hayes for his presentation. One aspect which concerns me is his suggestion that in respect of disciplinary matters the standard of proof should be changed from that of beyond reasonable doubt to, I think, a vaguer... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: I too welcome Dr Hayes. Unfortunately, Mr Robinson asked my question regarding the possible number of future complaints. The most interesting and important thing is that Dr Hayes has managed to get the Government to accept the idea of an... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Stoker: I will ask a question rather than make a speech. How will the level of public confidence and support be measured in the light of the stance taken by certain political parties in their very active roles against the police and the whole system? Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: Dr Hayes's report is a most erudite and learned review, and Icongratulate him on his expertise in this field. His candour is indeed refreshing. Does he agree that the recommendations concerning a police ombudsman, if implemented... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: That is largely true. With regard to the description "most supervised", I should point out that I was trying to produce a system which would not tie every policeman up filling in bits of paper and which would not paralyze the system. I think... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Notice of Dr Hayes' presentation Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Terrorist Crime Legislation Motion: Alliance amendment Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Terrorist Crime Legislation Motion: NIWC amendment Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: It is easier for us up here if people are quiet when names are being called out, because it is a bit confusing if I call out a name and I get what might be an aye or a noe, but is actually just a comment. Question put: That the amendment... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put: That the amendment in the name of Mr McBride be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 4; Noes 44. Ayes: Hugh Casey, Steve McBride, Kieran McCarthy, Oliver Napier. Noes: Anthony Alcock, May Beattie, Thomas Benson, Robert Bolton, David Brewster,... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Main Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 42; Noes 6. Ayes: Anthony Alcock, May Beattie, Thomas Benson, Robert Bolton, David Brewster, David Browne, Cecil Calvert, Gregory Campbell, Mervyn Carrick, James Clarke, Wilson Clyde, Robert Coulter, Ivan... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: I welcome Dr Hayes. My question concerns the changes he envisages regarding scenarios that occur under the present system. All Members here will know of cases, particularly in public-order situations but not exclusively so, in... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: This is a very serious concern. I spoke to a large number of solicitors who were dealing with people in just such a situation, and most of them told me quite roundly that they would advise their clients not to make a complaint because it... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
12.15 pm Mr Brewster: May I congratulate many of the Members for the thoughtful and interesting contributions that they have made. And if Mr Casey thinks he is not going to be lambasted after that piece of self-indulgence he can forget it. There are... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: I have spoken to the Whips from the Democratic Unionist Party and the Women's Coalition, and both are agreed that we should have this motion. There is very little need, as I see it, for a long speech, so I shall say simply that I have great... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
NEIL LATIMER The Chairman: Just before the meeting Mr Ian Paisley kindly showed me a copy of a letter that Members might be interested to hear. Would you be kind enough to read it out, Mr Paisley. Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: At its sixteenth meeting the Forum... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: This is on its way anyhow. It has been accepted by the Home Office and is being promulgated in England and Wales, as will happen here. I think that, with or without my recommendations, it is on its way. It seems to me to be common sense. A... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: First, may I join in the welcome to Dr Hayes, and add that his report is welcome. It is a very useful contribution to the whole issue. Those studying the whole report will find that it deals with the subject in a very measured and... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I want to turn to the question of the person appointed as ombudsman. I am reminded of the circus that advertised for human cannon-balls. It said that the jobs were open to anyone, of any religious persuasion, male or female. The only... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: The question of safeguards is most interesting. Much time and great effort have gone into putting these in place. Does Dr Hayes think that they will work? How will we know that they are working? Does Dr Hayes feel that they will in any way... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: Dr Hayes has touched on the effect that his proposals might have in relation to policy. May I ask a simple, direct question: what impact, if any, will they have on the operational policy of the RUC? Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: Well, I had to make a stab, and I accept that the stab could be wrong. The big unknown, which Mr Robinson has put his finger on, is whether the new system will generate a great flood of additional cases. The best estimate I could make was... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: I too welcome Dr Hayes. For all the Forum's limitations, this is a very useful exercise. It is the sort of thing that should happen more often, with people like Dr Hayes putting ideas to elected representatives. In the same context, I... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: The answer to the second question is yes. The answer to the first is that there is always the danger of a single ombudsman becoming too closely associated with the body being investigated. I was concerned about the difficulty of getting a... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: The ombudsman is not there to deal with operational policy. However, Ihope that those who decide operational policy will have regard to the impact of previous policies in causing complaints. But there will be no direct impact. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: Dr Hayes touched a question that I was going to ask. Does he accept that certain sections of this community will never accept modest reforms of the police? Their policy is disbandment of the RUC — something that would be out of line with the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: I have been performing the technical job of preparing a report and suggesting a workable system. I had to have some regard for the politics of the situation, in the sense that there would be no point in proposing something which was... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: I too welcome Dr Hayes to tell us something about his report. I should like to deal first with the question of a sliding standard of proof. Does Dr Hayes agree that there is nothing novel in this? Thirty years ago Lord Denning was... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: These are two important issues. With regard to the first, my report quotes Denning. Yes, that is the practical position. The Police Federation and the ICPC came at this from different sides. The ICPC argued to me in favour of, and, in fact,... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: It will be measured as it is measured at the moment. I have relied very largely on opinion polls and market research surveys carried out by the Police Authority and by the ICPC and on some conducted by myself and by others. In relation to... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: My question refers to accountability. To have accountability, one needs clearly defined responsibility and clear lines of authority. In his executive summary Dr Hayes talks about the ombudsman analysing policies. A paper reported last night... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: I too join in the welcome to Dr Hayes. With regard to the many spurious and, indeed, untruthful allegations that predictably come forth on certain occasions, will Dr Hayes's report ensure that the ordinary, decent policeman who abides by... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I join other Members in welcoming Dr Hayes. Primary legislation will be required to adopt this review. Does Dr Hayes expect any delays otherwise unforeseen? Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: Does Dr Hayes accept that an accurate interpretation of his proposals concerning complaints and discipline powers is that they will operate on a sliding scale? If so, does he accept also that as community confidence in the police increased,... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
11.15 am Dr Hayes: That is the dynamic that I hope will be built into the system. The police themselves need to have an interest in it. That is why I talked about sale and leaseback. I believe that in the early days the ombudsman will do more... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
11.00 am Dr Hayes: Yes, I saw that gloss in the paper last night, and my blood ran a bit cold because it was precisely what I was not saying. I was asked to look at whether the complaints authority should be able to receive complaints about policy,... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: That is the huge problem. I think that my reference was to a person of the quality of a judge or senior legal person or person of similar stature. It is important to reassure people on all sides. In particular, the police, especially if they... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: You should not see the complaints system on its own; you should see it as part of a whole series of changes that are taking place. I think that the important changes will be in the management and training of the police and in police culture.... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: There are a couple of schools of thought. One is that every complaint is malicious. The other is that there has been a deliberate campaign of producing complaints. I must say that I did not find evidence of that. There was certainly quite an... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: Dr Hayes referred to complaints being used as a management tool. As he knows, this is, of course, a two-edged sword. What safeguards will there be to prevent the police from becoming a football? Dr Hayes referred also to the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: I will take the second question first. An important part of the role of the ombudsman will be to educate the public about what he is doing. I think he will have an important role in police training and education too. The whole purpose of... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: On behalf of Labour I join in the welcome to Dr Hayes and congratulate him. Like Mr Neeson, I am at a disadvantage as I do not have the full text of the recommendations. However, I do have a couple of questions. Will the decisions of the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am sure that Members wish me to say thank you on their behalf to Dr Maurice Hayes for being the first person to do this job, which comes about as a result of the Women's Coalition's motion, which, with the DUP's amendment, was adopted... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr McCartney is going to put a second question. This time he is speaking on behalf of Mr Cedric Wilson. A DUP Member has kindly given way to him. Mr McCartney: I should like, first, to correct Dr Hayes, who gave the impression that I was... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: I am sorry if Mr McCartney got the impression that I thought he was objecting to the idea of an independent body. That certainly did not come through to me. Iaccept fully what he says. The point I am trying to make, in relation to complaints... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: Give or take an election or two, one would not know. Even with the best wind, one is thinking in terms of perhaps two years down the line because of the time it takes to get legislation through. That is why I have suggested certain... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: With regard to questioning, a precedent has been established today. My party will certainly take note of it. I can assure Dr Hayes that there was no lack of interest among Alliance Members in putting forward more questions. The executive... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Dr Hayes: There will certainly be no role for Ministers. There are two tracks. In the case of a potentially criminal act, the ombudsman could do his investigation and pass the papers to the DPP, who would take the case on in the usual way. In the case... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum suspends and then resumes.] Friday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
Drug Abuse Motion Thursday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum the following day.] Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Drug Abuse Motion Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Iris Robinson: The consideration of this subject is timely, planned, as it was, by the Business Committee to follow the publication of the House of Commons Northern Ireland Affairs Committee report on the subject. The Select Committee report is a... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
12.00 Mr Foster: There is no doubt whatsoever that this is a very important issue. We are indeed aware that drugs of various sorts are now part of everyday living. Many people cherish the belief that if they are unwell, there will be a tablet to cure... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: As someone who works with young people, I am very concerned about the drugs problem. Drugs are a scourge. They are destroying our young people and driving them into crime. The drugs problem is growing and will continue to get worse if action... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Parks: Terrorism in Northern Ireland is the biggest evil that all of us have to face — the continuous bombings, punishment beatings, threats of intimidation, and so on — but the next great evil facing all our young people is that of drugs. Northern... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.58 pm and resumed at 2.05 pm. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: Unfortunately this document that I am holding is a waste of time. Basically everybody has covered the subject with facts, figures and information about the different variety of drugs available — these are not just illicit drugs. However, I... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Tom Robinson: I rise to support the motion that is before us and indeed to concur with all remarks that have been made by previous speakers during this debate. We would all agree that there is probably not a single town in the whole of Northern... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I think that Mr Calvert made a most interesting contribution last week. You will recall that when Mrs Robinson moved this motion she mentioned that one drug, of course, is alcohol, and I was astonished at the facts that Mr Calvert gave us... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Rodgers: I rise to support what is — and I know this has already been reiterated today — a very important motion. I work with young people in one of the most socially deprived parts of Belfast, if not Northern Ireland. In 1990 a number of managers... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am going to give you a full five minutes, Mr McAlister, as I have taken up a lot of your time. Mr McAlister: You are more than generous, Mr Chairman. Thank you for your indulgence. It was an important point that had to be made. It... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum expresses grave concern at the alarming rise of drug abuse in our community; calls for a more co-ordinated approach from Government and its agencies, coupled with a more effective educational... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Use of the Chamber by outside groups Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We discussed this matter in some detail at the Business Committee. I myself was surprised. Mr Cedric Wilson: The list of guests includes many people who will be alarmed. For instance, I cannot imagine that Lord Alderdice will sit beside... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have considerable sympathy with this point. Those who were at the Business Committee yesterday heard my reaction. We felt that the Forum probably would not want us to disallow these young people because they had invited somebody, who... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned at 3.45pm] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Debate on the North Report be carried over to next week if necessary Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No objections were raised to this idea.] Friday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
ACE Scheme/ Jobskills Programme Motion Thursday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum considers this motion on the following day.] Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
ACE Scheme/ Jobskills Programme Motion Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: The introduction of the Action for Community Employment scheme — more commonly known as ACE — in 1982 was a major innovation. It proved to have enormous potential for growth in the voluntary sector, enabling organizations to consolidate... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: This debate is very timely. Yesterday the Economy Committee of the Forum met representatives of the Northern Ireland Federation of ACE — the composite body representing all the ACE programmes in the province. I must make it clear that they... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Urge reversal of the cuts to school crossing patrols Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Before calling you, Mr Casey, may I say to his Colleague, Mr Curran, how delighted we are to see him back in the Chamber. Members: Hear, hear. Mr Casey: I rise to support the motion. I can speak from personal experience as someone who... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: I too support the motion. ACE positions have been crucial in counteracting social exclusion and marginalization by enabling community and voluntary groups to operate and offer the broad range of valuable services which have already been... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson: Thank you very much for the opportunity to support this motion. This Government prides itself in getting value for money. Well, I can think of nothing that gives better value for money than the ACE schemes. I have a vested interest, but no... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I too support the motion and would like to make a few points about what is proposed. ACE is one of the most important Government schemes — if not the most important — to provide jobs for many of the long-term unemployed. That is the issue.... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I call on Mr McMichael to sum up. This will mean that we can break for lunch a little early and perhaps return a little early to deal with the next item of business. Mr McMichael: First of all, I wish to thank the Members for the support... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Send a letter to Baroness Denton regarding the ACE scheme cuts Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Send a letter to Mo Mowlam regarding cuts to the ACE scheme Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I will content myself with one letter for the moment. We might have a little bit of a diversion. Mr Hugh Smyth: I will pay for the other stamp. The Chairman: Let us see how we fare with the motion first. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum endorses community opposition to enforced reductions in the ACE scheme and to the curtailment of the Jobskills programme through unrealistic limits to their financial support; calls on Government to... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I take it from your vehement "Ayes" that you would like me to send to the Baroness the proposed letter enclosing the report. I shall do so. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.15 pm and resumed at 1.31 pm. The Chairman: We have a quorum. I feel that we are totally respectable now that Mr Hugh Smyth has joined us. One Mr Smyth is here; the other has not arrived yet. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Parades and Marches: Independent Review (The North Report) Friday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
Parades and Marches: Independent Review (North Report) Motion Thursday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum debate this motion on the following day.] Thursday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Parades and Marches: Independent Review (North Report) Motion Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Curran: May I begin by expressing my personal thanks to you, Mr Chairman, for the great kindness that you showed in contacting my wife and family during my recent illness. I would also like to thank all of the Members who contacted them and the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Parades and Marches: Independent Review (North Report) Motion: Alliance Amendment Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: I welcome the opportunity that we have here today to debate this important topic. We may well disagree a lot, but we all ought to be able to agree that it is an important topic. One of the things we must all be clear about is that nobody... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Trimble: I am glad of the opportunity to debate this issue today and, I suspect, next week. It is appropriate that the Labour Party has brought it before us in this way. The terms of the motion are appropriate too: at this stage, we are simply... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We welcome the contribution by the independent review and would like to convey our gratitude to Dr North, Dr Dunlop and Fr Crilly for the work they have done on such a very difficult issue. There are many difficult issues, in Northern... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's note: The silence is observed.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The sympathies are registered.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to Baroness Denton regarding ACE scheme cuts Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The letter is sent.] Friday January 1997Committee: Standing Committee C
Investigation into Cancer Care in Northern Ireland: Report Wednesday January 1997Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editor's Note: The report is sent to the Forum for consideration.] Wednesday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum adopts the report on cancer care in Northern Ireland prepared by Standing Committee C (Health Issues) on 22 January 1997 and forwards this to the Minister responsible for Health, with the request... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for Press Conference Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 11.09 am and resumed at 11.32 am. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Dodds: The fact that, as the amendment says, the proposed parades commission is entirely alien to the British constitutional system has been pointed out by Ulster Unionist Members. This amendment is in keeping with the contributions of most Members... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: I rise to speak in support of the DUP amendment, but before delivering my prepared speech I want to respond to Sir Oliver Napier, who referred to the casualties of Drumcree. As one who lives in the Drumcree area and is very familiar with... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: In our submission to the North Commission which was copied on request to the Public Order Committee, we set out four principles on the basis of which the question of marches should be approached: one should try to achieve voluntary... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 1.00 pm and resumed at 2.05 pm. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The questioning of Hayes is now over.] Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: Listening to the Alliance Party Members here today reminds me of the story at the entrance to the golden gates. Some fellows were trying to get in and they came up to the keeper and he said "Who are you?" They said "We are members of the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I would like to support the DUP's amendment. The review of parades and marches by the North Report has not, as many believe, addressed the central theme. Many Members have commented on the fact that the North Committee only looked at one... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: We have had an interesting and certainly, a wide-ranging debate on the subject of the North Report. In August 1996 the Secretary of State appointed Peter North, Oliver Crilly and John Dunlop to review the arrangements for handling... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Point of order: A member moving a motion cannot support an amendment to it Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: It always amazes me how people put such emphasis on opinion polls when it suits them. There is only one poll that will get the Alliance Party anywhere, and that is the poll at the ballot-box. So far, it has got them nowhere — to... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I intend to be very brief. A Member: Mr Chairman, I am surprised that he is here. It is the afternoon. Maybe his watch has stopped. Mr Hugh Smyth: Mr Chairman, we could do without him. Maybe he would like us to do what the SDLP and all... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: It is appropriate that I should take up where Mr Smyth ended — with the Government's abdication of their responsibility. When the North Commission was set up the Government washed their hands of responsibility to the people of Northern... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Close: The Forum was elected to promote dialogue and to promote understanding throughout the community. This afternoon we have a really glorious opportunity of demonstrating just how we can promote dialogue and, more importantly, how we are going to... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: When we talk about the world of reality, as seen through the eyes of the Alliance Party, we talk as if the appointment of this commission, independent or otherwise, will be the answer to the marchers' prayer. It will not only make a... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: It is sobering to follow such a candid speech. MrMcCartney hit the nail on the head with regards to the importance of this issue. The Labour Party's motion says that we should note Dr North's report. I would have preferred words... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We cannot yet vote as there are still 17 Members to speak. The debate stood adjourned until Friday 7 February 1997. Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: BUSINESS The Chairman: We have one other important issue next week — Standing Committee C's report on cancer care, which has been worked on for five or six months. I propose to take that first. It will certainly take an hour or so, and I hope we... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Investigation into Cancer Care in Northern Ireland: Report Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Adopt Cancer Care report Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: It is incorporated — [Interruption] The Chairman: If that is what you wish to do I am very happy to accept it. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I regret to say that, in my view, the resolution cannot reasonably be deemed to command support across the various traditions in Northern Ireland. The Chairman, pursuant to Rule 13(1), declared the resolution negatived. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum therefore does not reach an agreed decision about the North Report.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Murder of L/BDR Restorick Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
PARADES AND MARCHES: INDEPENDENT REVIEW Debate resumed on amendment to motion (31 January 1997): That the North Committee Report be noted. — [Mr Curran] Which amendment was: Leave out all the words of the motion and insert "This Forum,... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Parades and Marches: Independent Review (North Report) Motion: DUP Amendment Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr John White: May I convey on behalf of myself and my party, condolences to Dermot Nesbitt on the death of his brother and to Valerie Keenan on the death of her husband. The North Committee had a very difficult brief. Iacknowledge the hard work and... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Sir Oliver Napier: I rise to support the amendment in my party's name, and I would like to make it clear now that we will not be supporting the DUP's amendment. The events surrounding Drumcree last summer created three major victims in Northern... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: I rise to speak in support of the DUP amendment moved by my Colleague Mr Dodds. In Northern Ireland marching and parading is a tradition. It is part of the culture of both communities, but in particular of the Unionist and Loyalist... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
12.45 pm Rev Trevor Kirkland: Before I begin I would like to associate myself with the comments made by Maurice Morrow about Coalisland. There is a lot more that ought to be said about that particular area and I hope that sometime in the future that... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I shall be very happy to do exactly that. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I shall write to Mr and Mrs Restorick to convey the views expressed by Members. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then returns to continue the session.] Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Association of Local Authorities of Northern Ireland (ALANI) Motion Thursday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Association of Local Authorities of Northern Ireland (ALANI) Motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: Many Members of the Forum are also members of district councils and, therefore, are very well acquainted with the workings of local government and of ALANI. The purpose of the motion not to attack ALANI. This is a genuine attempt to put... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have a quorum now. I call Mr St Clair McAlister, please. Mr McAlister: I rise to support the DUP amendment. There is no doubt that this North Report will lead to the creation of another quango, or should I say super-quango — because... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: The reason I suggested reform — and I take the Member's point — is that there is an opportunity to bring about change between now and the local government elections in May. I thought that reform would be much more expedient than... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson: The matter before us is to me one of greatest importance, particularly to local government. The DUP amendment is simple and uncomplicated, and for that reason I can support it. Mr Robinson is not correct when he says that ALANI is going... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: The one disconcerting aspect of the Alliance proposal — and there are a number — is that it looks to reform an organization which, as Mr Smyth and others have indicated, has failed because of a sequence of events. It was not one... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks for lunch and then resumes.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Well, thanks to Mr Sam Gardiner we have got a quorum. Mr Reg Empey, may I just remind you we are discussing ALANI. Mr Empey: I do not know whether that was an attempt to divert me from discussing the luncheon arrangements and the drink... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: As a member of Craigavon Council, I am a delegate to ALANI. As a comparatively recent delegate — my former party did not allow any of its councillors to participate — I am not going to attempt to make any judgements on the association's... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put: That the amendment be made. The Ayes and Noes having been registered by show of hands, the Chairman declared the Ayes to be in excess of the required majority. Question accordingly agreed to. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Main Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum supports the creation of a representative body encompassing all councils in Northern Ireland. Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Pollution (Rivers, Streams and Beaches) Motion Thursday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is debated by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Pollution (Rivers, Streams and Beaches) Motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I rise to support the Alliance Party's amendment. We should ask ourselves why we are debating this issue today in the Forum. We have only to look back to the events of last year when Northern Ireland, for the first time during the 25 or 26... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Stewart: Not a day, week or month goes by when we do not have trouble on our beaches and especially in our rivers. The recent Sea Empress disaster, when 72,000 tonnes of oil spilled into the sea over seven days, is costing £20 million to clean up.... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: This is a matter I have raised before in the five-minute debates in this Chamber. I want to speak again particularly about river pollution. First of all I want to deal with the landfill tax, which has recently been introduced and has... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: Lack of Quorum Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Forum counted, and 22 Members being present — Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: Nowadays environmental pollution is a highly emotive subject in many parts of the world but, perhaps, nowhere more so than in our country which is endowed with natural beauty. Unfortunately, that green, clean image has been tarnished by the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Davis: I agree with a lot of what Mr Shannon has said. But I believe the subject under discussion is complicated because of the complexity of the different parts of Government and local government machinery, which deals with rivers and waterways.... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Pollution (Rivers, Streams and Beaches) Motion: Independent unitary authority amendment Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
2.45 pm Mr McKee: I am pleased that my party has put down an amendment to the original motion, and I am not surprised at the attitude that the Alliance Party has adopted to the North Report. Last week I listened to the Members who spoke in opposition,... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: I am not sure that under the Forum's Rules we can have an amendment or an addition to a motion without some written notification. Mr Hussey: Mr Chairman, you may remember that when this was being debated I brought up the point that if... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Having taken advice on the proposed amendment, I have to rule that we cannot make a change at this stage in the debate. This is not to say that we cannot, quite soon, bring forward a motion to deal with the alternatives: control by... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum is deeply concerned at the growing level of pollution affecting rivers, streams and beaches in Northern Ireland. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Pollution (Rivers, Streams and Beaches) Motion: Rossie Report Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: So we have perhaps three issues to debate briefly at the first opportunity. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
3.45 pm Question put: That the amendment in the name of the Alliance Party be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 7; Noes 42. Ayes: Eileen Bell, Hugh Casey, Steve McBride, Kieran McCarthy, Monica McWilliams, Sean Neeson, Pearl Sagar. Noes: Antony Alcock,... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put: That the amendment in the name of the Democratic Unionist Party be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 43; Noes 7. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Thomas Benson, Robert Bolton, David Brewster, Cecil Calvert, Gregory Campbell, Mervyn... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman forthwith declared the main Question, as amended, to be agreed to. Resolved (resolution subsequently negatived in accordance with Rule 13(1): This Forum confirms that the fundamental democratic rights to freedom of assembly, association... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to the family of Stephen Restorick Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Garvaghy Road Resident's Coalition address motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for an hour Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Require leave of the Forum Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for 3/4 hour Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
It was so decided. It was so decided. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: The point that the Committee Chairman is making is that the proposal concerning a cut-off date was made by an Alliance Party member. The meeting was suspended at 10.10 am and resumed at 11.01 am. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: I apologize for my lateness, which is due to traffic difficulties. I understand that you, Mr Chairman, paid a fitting tribute to the young soldier who was so tragically killed a couple of nights ago. May I, on behalf of the Ulster... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Association of Local Authorities of Northern Ireland (ALANI) Motion: DUP Amendment Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Robert John White: With the varying amendments and proposals to choose from I and my party will be supporting the amendment of the DUP. Could I, first of all, take a look at the faults of ALANI. They are evident more to the people who are inside it... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Before getting into all these irrelevant — well, perhaps not exactly irrelevant — details, let us consider what Members have just had 58 minutes to think about. Leave aside what has been said outside. Is it the wish of the Forum to accept... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I understand very well the desire to express acceptance of the credibility of the Chairman of Standing Committee A, but we have three other motions to deal with today. I think that this matter has been ventilated very fully, thanks to the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Vote on whether or not to debate the Alliance motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am sorry, but no. I have gone into that. [Interruption] Please let me speak. I went into that matter during the interval. It is clear to me that a recorded vote requires a motion. But we do not have a motion as there was not unanimity... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: It has certainly been a common theme throughout the debate that there needs to be an effective way of ensuring that pollution is monitored and that people who break the rules are prosecuted. Looking at the information that the DOE... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I suggest that we decide either to hear or not to hear this thing out. Let us be finished with it. Under the Rules the Committee Chairman is not going to have an opportunity to reply. The Chairman: Very well, if that is the wish of... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for 15 minutes Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Several Members: No. The Chairman: I take it from the cries of dissent that there is not unanimity on that proposal. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: Then we are bound by the unanimity Rule, and there is no question of a vote. Mr Nesbitt: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. You said that there was not unanimity on the request by my Colleague Mr Maginnis. But there is no need for... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: If it will cut the Gordian knot, I formally object to this motion. That is all you need, Mr Chairman. There is not unanimity. The matter stands decided. The Chairman: That is what I have been trying for some time to achieve. We shall... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Since the Business Committee has not had an opportunity to take a view on this matter, I would need unanimous support for addition of the motion to today's business. I propose that, to enable parties to consider the matter, the sitting be... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Seek leave of the Forum Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I should now like to hear from the parties their views as to whether the Alliance motion should be debated. Having consulted my advisers and studied the Rules, which are now so conveniently in booklet form, I believe that we must stick to... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to account those giving confidential information to the press Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: With all the due respect, Mr Chairman — The Chairman: I am thankful for your respect, but would be even more thankful if you were to sit down. Mr Hugh Smyth: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. The Chairman: We are at the moment — Mr... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Remove the Slur on Committee staff Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you very much. That is important. I would hate to have any slur on our excellent staff. I call Mr Nesbitt. Friday February 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
Progress Report: Standing Committee E Friday February 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
[Editor's Note: The Forum considers the Progress report.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Progress Report: Standing Committee E Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Invite Press Editors before a Committee of the Forum Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: This is a matter not of procedure but of principle. The principle is whether this body is open to the views of the whole community. It is a matter not of deadlines but of the Forum's duty to promote dialogue and reconciliation. Rule 8(1)... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. You will recall that on a previous point of order I raised the issue of those who infringe the confidentiality of Committees before the Forum has had an opportunity to consider particular issues. I... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Our workers are second to none. We have not had any problems on the shop-floor. There is harmony between capital and labour, and this has been a plus in getting our economy going. However, the Secretary of State's comment that our... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: The Forum notes the work undertaken to date by Standing Committee E. Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
St Patrick's Day Motion Thursday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday February 1997Committee: The Forum
St Patrick's Day Motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: I rise to support the DUP amendment. It has been documented very well — and I made the point a couple of weeks ago when I spoke on the North Report — that Orangeman's Day, 12 July, which is so dear to those of us who regard it as very... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I will not detain the Forum very long. If we do succeed in having St Patrick's Day declared a public holiday, it will be a great opportunity for all the people of Northern Ireland to join in celebrating a special day that is not divisive.... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.54 pm and resumed at 2.02 pm. The Chairman: I am grateful to those who have returned promptly. It is important that we should make the best use of our time. I am sorry if this sounds rather military, but it is a habit... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Vote via show of hands Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: Surely, Mr Chairman, you cannot do that. Or can you? Surely the three-minute Rule applies. The Chairman: Yes, if there is to be a recorded vote. Incidentally, it is very good to see a few Unionists here now. Mr Dodds: I too welcome the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: I wish, in this brief progress report, to allude to certain points. Our terms of reference were to consider issues relevant to the performance of the Northern Ireland economy. We met early in November and decided in the first instance that... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Criticism of Press Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: I fully endorse what has just been said about the attitude of the press. It appears that anything that requires reporters to think, to make a rational and logical analysis, is taboo. They want to report on any form of spat or difference —... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Is a show of hands acceptable? Members indicated assent Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put: That the amendment be made. The Ayes and Noes having been registered by show of hands, the Chairman declared the Ayes to be in excess of the required majority. Question accordingly agreed to. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Main Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum calls on the Government to make Saint Patrick's Day, Orangeman's Day and Ulster Day statutory prescribed public holidays in Northern Ireland. Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Newcastle Disease Motion Thursday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Newcastle Disease Motion: Composite Motion Thursday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: At this stage we are making only brief comment on the economy. We hope to give Members the full bucket in due course. I endorse everything that the Committee Chairman said. I repeat that he has done a first-class job, and it has been a... Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: It is the composite motion that is given to the Forum for consideration.] Thursday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Newcastle Disease Motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to the Department for Agriculture Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you, Mr Junkin. I thought that it would be a good idea to say "Well done". We usually write to departments to say "Badly done". Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: I would like to take up some of the matters that the Committee Vice-Chairman, Mr McAlister, mentioned. He talked about the need to educate the media, particularly the local newspapers, concerning the fact that there is a very positive... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: Let me return briefly to the issue of the economy, about which there has been a great deal of agreement across the board. We have Mr Paddy Roche, a professional economist, we have the Chairman of the Committee, a respected academic in the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I would like to congratulate Mr Junkin on his presentation. We all realize that the agriculture industry is the key one in Northern Ireland and provides employment for quite a sizeable work-force. Recently, we have seen this industry brought... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: I support the composite motion. We are aware that intensive agriculture has brought forth a number of diseases that previously were unknown about. When I was listening to the debate this morning on the report from the Economic Committee, I... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum expresses its concern at the outbreak of Newcastle disease in several of Northern Ireland's poultry flocks and urges the Department of Agriculture to continue to take all necessary steps to arrest the... Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Education Finance Motion Thursday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum considered this motion on the following day.] Thursday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Education Finance Motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Curran: This morning I listened with great interest to the debate on the interim report of the Economy Committee. I was initially a member of that Committee but because of illness I was not able to attend it again until recently. I listened to the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
3.15 pm Mr Gibson: I support the motion without reservation. This is a debate which should never have had to take place. All of us in Northern Ireland regard education as our most valued asset. We are proud of the fact that we have had a great... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you, Mr McCartney. Since you referred to Ms McWilliams, perhaps she would like to speak next? Ms McWilliams: This is an extremely important motion. We have heard about the differences in education achievement in Northern Ireland... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
12.00 Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I support Prof Alcock's suggestion that we might invite newspaper editors to one of the Forum Committees. Perhaps the most appropriate one would the new Political Affairs Committee. A frank discussion might indicate why they... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCarthy: The motion is simple and straightforward and certainly should not take up a lot of time. St Patrick's Day is celebrated all over the world — and rightly so. Unfortunately, not everyone in Northern Ireland has the opportunity to join in... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: When I read the Alliance Party's motion I was reminded of the words of William Perkins, with whom Dr Paisley is no doubt familiar. When people were talking about abolishing saints' days he based his argument on Scripture: "Go to... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Three more Members wish to speak in the debate. As the Labour Members who were to sum up are not here I suggest that we carry the debate over and complete it next Friday. It was so decided. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM PROCEEDINGS: PUBLICITY The Chairman: I promised to consider the publicity that is being given to our proceedings. I have not yet had a chance to look at the papers which were mentioned, but I will do so and give my decision next Thursday at the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM PROCEEDINGS: PUBLICITY The Chairman: I promised to consider the publicity that is being given to our proceedings. I have not yet had a chance to look at the papers which were mentioned, but I will do so and give my decision next Thursday at the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
St Patrick's Day Motion: DUP Amendment Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Give leave to debate the NIWC motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am going to rule that unless there is unanimity neither the Women's Coalition nor the Chairman of Standing Committee A will be heard. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: I object, Mr Chairman. We met you this morning, and you did agree under Rule 3(1). Unless Members have very short memories they will recall that it was under that Rule that Mr McBride was heard last week. A Member: By leave of the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: The poultry industry has been rocked by the outbreak of Newcastle disease, or fowl pest, which took hold almost three weeks ago. This is the worst health crisis of its nature in the poultry industry since 1973. A small outbreak occurred in... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I shall take the unusual step of calling Mr Junkin next so that we may hear his proposal. Mr Junkin: Newcastle disease struck poultry flocks in Northern Ireland in 1973 when there were over 30 occurrences before it was controlled by a... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend Public Order Committee Motion: NIWC Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Several Members: No. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Leave is not given. The Chairman: So we do not have unanimity. Ms McWilliams: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. Last week you allowed MrCedric Wilson to respond to a proposal that a motion be accepted. On the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am not going to take any more on this. I have ruled that neither Member will be heard. Let us move on. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: So what was done last week is not being done this week. This is the sort of thing that makes us concerned about the Forum. We have played a full part, and the Forum should show some concern about the fact that four parties have now... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: COMMITTEES (CONFIDENTIALITY) Mr Morrow: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. I understood that you were to make a ruling in relation to a matter concerning the Alliance Party, which was raised last week. Do you intend to do so? The Chairman: A... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Request the Alliance party to correct its statement Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: My response to the point about confidentiality is that there is no Rule to prevent a Committee member from coming out and making any statement. However, it is only right that the confidentiality of proceedings should be respected. That... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: A lesson that I learned a long time ago is that I cannot always get my own views expressed. I am not going to breach confidentiality by describing how a certain Committee got on yesterday, but if the Member is good enough to give me a... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
McCabe's comments about Rodgers Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I will study that too. It seems that I am going to have a lot of studying to do. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. The Chairman: Would it not be a good idea to let us study in serenity? Mr McBride: Having been mentioned a number of times, I think I am entitled to make a very short and non-controversial comment. The... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
As the Committee's Chairman, I greatly resent the attack upon the integrity of its members. It is a disgraceful slur to suggest that because people are members of honourable Orange Lodges and other associations they are not fit to serve on the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Events at the Talks Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Behaviour in the debate Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The Member will have heard my rulings about the ordinary cut and thrust of debate and a certain amount of heckling. It would be a very odd Chamber if we did not have that. However, shouting down is something that I do not approve of. Rev... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
EDUCATION: FINANCE Debate resumed on motion (21 February 1997): This Forum is deeply concerned at the cut-backs in education in Northern Ireland, believing that such financial measures will detract from the quality of educational provision, in that... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Quorum not met Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: There is a quorum. The Chairman: I am very grateful to you, Mr Gardiner, for your scrupulous concern about the quorum question. Mr Gardiner: Indeed, we do now have a quorum. I apologize for the interruption, but it is not good to... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Benson, did I understand you to say that certain education bodies are not allowed to take out insurance against damage? Mr Benson: That is correct. The education boards — the controlled sector — are not allowed to take out insurance.... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Beattie: It is with great concern that I speak about the proposed cuts in the education service. Northern Ireland is about to experience its biggest-ever financial crisis. The five boards are bracing themselves to make unprecedented cuts of about... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hussey: As I rise to speak in this debate on education cut-backs I wonder if I am perhaps one of the 550 under threat. I certainly agree with the words of Mr Neeson as a former member of a teachers' union. Mr Allen, of my union — the Ulster... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum is deeply concerned at the cut-backs in education in Northern Ireland, believing that such financial measures will detract from the quality of educational provision, in that schools will be unable to... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Copy of the Debate Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: This debate is integrally related to the security situation. The Government have made it clear that these cuts are being made because money has to be transferred from education to security. In our discussions, that must be kept in... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman undertakes to send the copy of the debate to McClure] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum break and then return.] Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Child Support Agency Motion Thursday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion was sent to the Forum for debate on the following day.] Thursday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Child Support Agency Motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ervine: I do not propose to enter into statistics or lists of facts and figures about the Child Support Agency or its work — I am more inclined to look upon this as a human issue. From a cold and particularly brutal Government that legislated to set... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I support the motion. This is a human problem. We realize, as I think everyone in the Forum does, what happens when a marriage breaks up. Children go through a terrible period, almost of despair sometimes. Then cases are reopened by... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hunter: This legislation is typical of how we have been seduced by the current Government over a number of years. It was a good enough idea, but, unfortunately, when they got it down on paper as legislation it was ill-conceived and ill-thought-out.... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: The Forum, recognizing the hardships incurred by single mothers and the unduly harsh assessments made on fathers with second families, calls upon Her Majesty's Government to reassess the role and functions of the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
12.45 pm FORUM: PRESS COVERAGE Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Mr Chairman, may I ask you to use your good offices to secure some press coverage of debates such as we have just had. It seems that the media are interested only when there is controversy in the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Invite party leaders and heads of press for a meal Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: That is a good suggestion. Are you all agreed that I should do that? It was so decided. Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.48 pm and resumed at 2.15 pm. Friday February 1997Committee: Standing Committee C
Cardiac Surgery Motion Friday February 1997Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editor's Note: This motion, in the name of this committee, is discussed by the Forum] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Cardiac Surgery Motion Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Members will be delighted to know that I do not intend to speak for too long. In fact, when the Committee brought this matter to our attention because of press reports it was the intention that I would simply move the motion and ask the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Parkes: I wish to endorse the sentiments expressed by Mr Hugh Smyth, speaking on behalf of Committee C, and to support the motion. The present state of the health service is a matter of great concern for us all. We have had many debates on the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
2.45 pm Mr Speers: The debate today has been about coronary care, but it seems to me that what has been said applies right across the board. You, Mr Chairman, made a suggestion about the possibility of developing a business developed whereby the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: The Forum expresses grave concern about the situation where patients in need of cardiac surgery in Northern Ireland are not obtaining it. People have the right to know exactly what is happening, and we demand... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to Minister Responsible for Cardiac Surgery Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have pleasure in confirming that the motion has been passed. I will certainly write to the Minister, using the word "demand". Of course, the Minister concerned — indeed, all Ministers, including the Secretary of State — will see the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Let us move on to the motion in the name of Labour. Mr Gardiner: Before we do so, may I, on behalf of the Ulster Unionist Party, extend sympathy to Mr McCartney on the death of his sister. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I would like to associate... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Update on the closure of talks Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am sure that the Secretary of State will not spring to Mr Spring, that he will not trouble him by asking for his opinion between now and some time next week. Our discussion on this has been very helpful to me. I am most grateful for... Friday March 1997Committee: Standing Committee D
Review of the Current State of the Northern Ireland Potato Industry Friday March 1997Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: The Report is considered by the Forum.] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Review of the Current State of the Northern Ireland Potato Industry Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Adopt Potato Industry Report Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
10.30 am The Chairman: If I may say so, I think that this report demonstrates once again what can be done by a Forum Committee. I congratulate you, Mr Chairman, and the other Members of Standing Committee D on your excellent work and on what I regard... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gaston: I too was going to quote Mr Armstrong, but in the light of your ruling, Mr Chairman — The Chairman: I think we have all got Mr Armstrong and flax well to the forefront of our minds. Mr Gaston: If we are not careful, and if action is not... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: We have heard about the difficulties that farming brings. Indeed, it takes tremendous courage to exist in that industry at the moment. There are dangers in the red-meat industry and the poultry industry, and, as a result of intensive... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum adopts the report on the current state of the Northern Ireland potato industry prepared by Standing Committee D (Agriculture and Fisheries Issues) and asks the Chairman to forward the report to... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to Baroness Denton forwarding the report on the Potato Industry Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to Baroness Denton forwarding the report on the Potato Industry Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: If you wish, I will be happy to do that. Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
It was so decided. Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumed at 12.02 pm] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Leave to debate suspension of summer schemes for children with special educational needs Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Members indicated assent. Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Special Educational Needs Summer School Motion: Inclusion of Belfast Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Do Members agree to that proposal? It was so decided. Amendments, by leave, made: In line 1, after "Board", insert "and the Belfast Education and Library Board"; in line 2, delete "board" and insert "boards". Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum condemns the recent decision by the South Eastern Education and Library Board and the Belfast Education and Library Board to suspend summer schemes for children with special educational... Friday March 1997Committee: Business Committee
Political Negotiations and Continuing Violence Motion Thursday March 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is debated by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: It seemed to me, on reading the Ulster Unionist Party's amendment, that the only difference of substance was the recognition that Sinn Fein/IRA are irredeemably wedded to violence. I see Mr Trimble's head shuttling violently about on his... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: May I, on behalf of my Colleagues, thank you, Mr Chairman, for conveying the views of the Business Committee to the Secretary of State. I trust that he will take on board the remarks that you have made. The Entry to Negotiations Act... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: There are a couple of points with which — if he does not mind my saying so — Mr Campbell might want to deal in his summing-up. One concerns the letter that I might send to the Baroness to support what has been said today. The second is... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Special Educational Needs Summer School Motion Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 1.01 pm and resumed at 2.15 pm. Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Bell: I was only too pleased to give Mr Robinson the respect due to him as an MP — it was not a case of respect for a man — and I am sure that he will treat me similarly. I am grateful for this opportunity. As Mr Robinson said, anyone who attended... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Political Negotiations and Continuing Violence Motion Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We will resume with Prof Alcock, whom I cut off in his prime the last time he spoke. I hope I can make amends today. Mr Alcock: Two years ago the Dublin Forum — except Sinn Fein — agreed to accept the democratic view that Irish... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Close: I have been involved in talks and in talks about talks for a very long time — from the Atkins conference up to and including the current talks at Castle Buildings. There is no doubt that every one of those initiatives was affected by violence... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: I rise to support the UK Unionist motion. I could accept what Alliance Members say if they were honest people. But I have not heard one of them admitting to the Orangemen and others who were accused of causing the trouble last summer... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: The Women's Coalition has eventually joined us. The Chairman: It is very nice to see them. Mr McKee: My speech will be simple, yet it will be from the heart and it will be a stand for the Union — more than I can say for some. I... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: The essence of the difference between the motions and the amendments that we have before us today is the involvement of Sinn Fein in any future talks. First of all, there is common agreement here, as far as the future is concerned,... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: I preface my remarks on the United Kingdom Unionist motion by rejecting the flawed perception that Mr Close has of the Unionist position. He appears to think that to hold a political and philosophical position, which is that the... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: It is almost five minutes to four. I am conscious of the fact that the Women's Coalition has tabled a motion to which we shall not be able to devote much time unless we agree to extend. Do Members wish to complete the current debate next... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Table-ing of the NIWC motion Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The motion is not tabled, and it seems that it will not be tabled until after the Recess for the Election. ] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned.] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Thanks to the Secretariat Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Members: Hear hear. The Chairman: I would like to add my own voice to that tribute. I have been helped tremendously by the Forum's Secretary and Deputy Secretary and by Miss Audrey Moore. Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Political Negotiations and Continuing Violence Motion: Alliance Amendment Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Taylor: Mr McBride has said that our proposals earlier this week were presented as an alternative to the talks process. They were presented as no such thing; they were intended as new initiatives to run in parallel with the existing talks process.... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I shall be very happy indeed to write to the loved ones of the police officer and the soldier. As to the second point, that would probably need to be resolved by the Forum as a whole — as I am sure it would be. I am most grateful for... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
POLITICAL NEGOTIATIONS: CONTINUING VIOLENCE Debate resumed on amendments to motion [7 March 1997]: The Northern Ireland Forum regrets that continuing violence and the threat of violence has inhibited the progress of free and fair negotiations at the... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: When I learned at the Business Committee yesterday that there were to be quite a number of DUP Members speaking today, I thought it important to bring in a little bit of balance. However, having seen the family at war, I am almost reluctant... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Robinson, I understand that you would like to wind up on behalf of the United Kingdom Unionist Party, whose Members are not here. Mr Peter Robinson: As agreed at the Business Committee, I shall wind up as the representative of a party... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put: That the amendment in the name of Mr McBride be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 4; Noes 35. Ayes: Seamus Close, Steve McBride, Kieran McCarthy, Sean Neeson. Noes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Robert Bolton, David Browne, Cecil Calvert,... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Political Negotiations and Continuing Violence Motion: UUP Amendment Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have not yet finished today's debate. That is the difficulty. Ms Sagar: Mr Chairman, you, as well as members of the Business Committee, are aware that the Women's Coalition will be unable to attend next week. Four other parties too... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have a slightly attenuated attendance today. Some people are in a less good place — Washington. TALKS/FORUM The Chairman: Last Friday I informed Members that the Secretary of State had yet to decide whether he regarded the talks as... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to the victims of the joint police/army patrol IRA attack Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
EDUCATION: FINANCE Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Some time ago we had a debate on the cuts in education. Ishould like to report that the unions have met the Leaders of all the parties, who will be meeting the Prime Minister at the House of Commons next Thursday... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and resumes.] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am conscious of the fact that I have not had a reply. I will make a call today and remind all concerned that the Forum will expire on Thursday next. I might say that we have never gone away. Thank you very much, Mr Campbell. Your... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn until Friday 30 May 1997 Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I should not comment, I suppose, but I am very interested in what you say. I think that this is the first time I have heard that. I should be very interested to see what we can do. Mr Gardiner: I hope that the Government too are... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: What about the Member's own amendment? Mr Trimble: That is what I am dealing with. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: What does it mean? Mr Trimble: If the Member listens, all will become clear. We are not inhibited by IRA violence. We are... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: As there seems to be some difference of opinion about what we are debating, I will read out the motion before us: "The Northern Ireland Forum regrets that continuing violence and the threat of violence has inhibited the progress of... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
11.15 am Question put: That the amendment in the name of Mr Trimble be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 19; Noes 21. Ayes: Antony Alcock, David Browne, David Campbell, James Clarke, Ivan Davis, David Ervine, Sam Foster, Sam Gardiner, Joseph Gaston,... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Main Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 16; Noes 7; Abstentions 18. Ayes: May Beattie, Robert Bolton, Cecil Calvert, Mervyn Carrick, Wilson Clyde, Oliver Gibson, Trevor Kirkland, Maurice Morrow, Ian R K Paisley, Ian Paisley Jnr, Joan Parkes, Edwin... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Statement on behalf of Standing Committee D Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Empey Speech: European Community's Peace and Reconciliation Fund Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Gardiner Speech: Prison and Fines Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am assured by Mr Gardiner that we have a quorum. [Editor's Note: The meeting resumes after lunch] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: Complimentary remarks have been paid to you this morning, MrChairman, and I wish to be associated with them. I have to refer indeed to your tremendous impartiality, your dignity, your tremendous generosity, your patience with all of us and... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: Mr Chairman, will the Member give way? The Chairman: The Member just has. But I am sure that there was still a minute or two of Mr Poots's time left. Mr Calvert: Would Mr Poots agree that in some cases where an education board has... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Mr Empey has raised a vital matter. The three MEPs have already been in touch with the President of the Commission. We have exchanged correspondence with him and arranged a meeting to discuss this and related matters. There are two... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am having a meeting with the police next week, and I will raise the point you have made. Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: And I will certainly. These five-minute debates are not motions as such, but I will send a copy of what you said to the requisite quarters. Mr Hussey: I totally agree with what Mr Kirkland has said. I have had RSA Stage 3s accepted as... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Robinson Speech: Comber Road incidents Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: Mr Chairman, it is usually after a man dies that many nice things are said about him, but you are in the happy position today of having heard your epitaph before it is written. Very often ministers when praising the deceased are accused of... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I want to address the adjournment motion as such. You, Mr Chairman, rightly thanked the staff for their assistance, and I want to join in that expression of gratitude. Equally I would like to thank you, Sir, for your major contribution. It... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum, at its rising today, do adjourn until Friday 30 May 1997 at 10.00 am. Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns, and the Forum is adjourned until 30 May, after the General Election] Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I welcome your Leader, who has joined you. We can proceed now with the motion in his name. The article is there; we can not change it. Once we have completed our discussion on the Prime Minister's address at Balmoral we can return to... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting proper begins after this welcome] Friday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
Prime Minister's Speech at Royal Ulster Agricultural Society Motion Thursday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is debated by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Prime Minister's Speech at Royal Ulster Agricultural Society Motion Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: The Prime Minister by making a seminal speech on his policy for Northern Ireland within two weeks of his party's entry into government underlines the importance that he attributes to this issue. As he stated, it is not a party political... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Carrick Speech: Craigavon and Banbridge residential home care for the elderly Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: It is entirely appropriate that the Forum should adjourn today with dignity in advance of what is likely to happen in Parliament next week. I want to pay tribute to the staff here, who have worked very hard and with a great deal of... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Trimble: Mr Chairman, may I say how nice it is to see you back in your place and the Forum resuming its function. The analogy with which Mr McCartney closed his speech was a most appropriate one, showing, as it did, how this or, indeed, any other... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
11.00 am Mr Casey: Mr Blair, at the beginning of his speech, stressed that this was his first official visit outside London. That stresses how important he felt it was to come here and spell out to the people how he sees the future of Northern... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Alcock: In rising to speak to the motion noting the Prime Minister's publicly stated commitment to the Union, I would like to sound a word of caution. One of Northern Ireland's historians wrote a few years ago that what puzzled Unionists was that... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Beattie Speech: Women's Role in Society Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Weir Speech: Queen's University Belfast Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: Mr Chairman, as a part of the weak link, may I thank you for inviting me to speak. I hope that you are enjoying your new involvement in the process. I am quite happy to welcome warmly the Prime Minister's commitment to the Union, provided... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.39 pm and resumed at 1.49 pm. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am a little late. It is my fault. Mr McBride: Thank you, Mr Chairman. I did not realize I was going to be called this early. The Chairman: I am sure it will not affect your eloquence. Mr McBride: I welcome the Prime Minister's speech... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: We have had a serious debate because the very important issues raised by the speech go right to the very heart of the problem that many of us as democrats face. It was good that the Prime Minister's first official visit outside... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum notes the declaration of policy and intent contained in the Prime Minister's speech made on Friday 16 May 1997 on the occasion of his visit to the Royal Ulster Agricultural Society, Belfast. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Vote Gorman in as Chairperson Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Shannon Speech: Farmers' Retirement Scheme Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Refer the Women's Coalition's Belfast Telegraph comments to the Business Committee Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was adjourned at 3.25 pm. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No objections are raised to the Chairman's explanation of the day's business] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am sure that the words of both Members will strike a chord with everyone in the Chamber. This is a very serious situation. It would prove that the Forum was effective if we were able to take some action to alleviate it. [Editor's Note:... Friday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
Election Irregularities Motion Thursday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Foster Speech: Hospital Access Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Parkes Speech: Attacks on senior citizens Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Election Irregularities Motion Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: I am very happy to support the substance of the motion and, indeed, of the amendment. This is a very serious subject, and it is important that we examine it. It is also very important that anything we do should not be seen as all that has... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I also wish to support the motion. When the concept of universal suffrage was first mooted, the political parties North and South held the view that not only the living should have a vote, but the dead too. I think it was common practice at... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: As usual, I will be very brief. A Member: That will be the day. Mr Hugh Smyth: According to the Rules, I am going to have to be. Mr McBride has spoken on the subject of the Forum. I would also like to talk about the Forum — its past... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: I rise to support the amendment in the name of the Democratic Unionist Party. I accept the thrust of the Ulster Unionist Party's proposal — indeed, the intention of everyone who has spoken is the same — but the Democratic Unionist... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
11.30 am Mr Empey: We can all appreciate the heartfelt plea that we have just heard from MrMcCrea, who has obviously suffered as a result of this widespread fraud. There is one issue that we ought to look at: the degree of carelessness on all our... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: I rise to support the amendment. We all know that when people, especially senior citizens, go to vote with a medical card, a pension book or a family allowance book the people who look at them do not look at the date of birth. This... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Composite Motion: Removal of reference to Political Affairs Committee Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Election Irregularities Motion: Wilson UUP and DUP Composite Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
12.30 pm The Chairman: Mr Wilson, you have to remember that we already have a composite motion from the two largest parties here. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: The Alliance Party said this morning, as usual, that we have had a lost opportunity this past year. Well, that is something that is close to my heart as it is to others. We all agree that the opportunity has been lost this past year, but we... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The suggestion has been made that two words should be changed and that the matter should then go to the Business Committee. Now, is that not agreeable to everybody? Members indicated assent. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This amendment is therefore also agreed to] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: Mr Chairman, that is the intention. While it is important that we stick to the Rules that have been laid down, I do not think that we want to get ourselves involved in a toing and froing ad infinitum from the Business Committee to the... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Poots Speech: Education Cuts Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: By adopting the composite motion, the Forum adopts the amendment and the final version of the motion.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjournment Debate Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on what I consider to be a very urgent and serious matter and that is the future of Whiteabbey Hospital. That is my immediate concern, but the issue of more general concern to all the Members of the... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I would like to bring before the Forum an issue concerning the Northern Ireland Fishery Harbour Authority, which oversees the work and control of three harbours — Portavogie, Kilkeel and Ardglass. What concerns me and, indeed, many others... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
2.30 pm Mr Hussey: My contribution, like those of Mr Neeson and Mr McCarthy, is on a health-related matter. Although it may be considered to be of a parochial nature, it has possible implications for other Members' constituencies. There is a great... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
2.45 pm Mr McKee: I will be very brief. I would just like to support what Mr Neeson said about Whiteabbey Hospital, but before I do that, Mr Chairman, may I belatedly congratulate you on being appointed as Chairman of the Forum. The Chairman: I... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: I entirely agree with the comments of Mr Paisley. I am sure he will agree with me that it is astonishing that the Alliance Party has two public representatives on the Police Authority and the Labour Party has one. It is a very sad day for... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Forum counted, and 22 Members being then present — Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum, at its rising today, do adjourn until 10.00 am on Friday 20 June. The Chairman: Have a happy weekend. The meeting was adjourned at 3.36 pm. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Donaldson: On behalf of the Ulster Unionist Party, I wish to add my voice to those of the people who have, quite rightly, condemned this terrible outrage against these two young men, Const John Graham and Const David Johnston. Const Johnston lived... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The parties express their sympathies and the Forum moves on.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: COMMITTEE ON ELECTORAL REFORM The Chairman: Yesterday, the Business Committee agreed to set up the Committee on Electoral Reform. You will remember that we had a very interesting and full debate on this matter last week. Parties have been asked... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: Mr Chairman, a number of people have paid tribute to you today during this five-minute debate and I would like to join with them and say that you have done a tremendous job as Chairman of the Forum. I think that I would be right in... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Order of the session Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No objection is raised to this, and the first debate begins] Friday June 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
Review of the Parades Issue in Northern Ireland Friday June 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: This report was considered for approval by the Forum on this date.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: Mr Chairman, you and I have clashed a few times, but you have always been fair and you have handled the chairmanship well, considering the pressure you have been under many times. I do appreciate that. We will miss you for a few months... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Review of the Parades Issue in Northern Ireland Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: "Ask any activist in the North 'Did Drumcree happen by accident?' and he will tell you 'No. Three years of work on the lower Ormeau Road, Portadown, in parts of Fermanagh and Newry, Armagh, Bellaghy and up in Derry — three years' work... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: On a point of information, Mr Chairman. I congratulate Standing Committee A on its presentation, but I must point out that the references on pages 47, 49 and 50 to the Royal Black Preceptory are incorrect. They should be to the Royal Black... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: The Alliance Party will be opposing the adoption of this report. This is a very serious issue. None of us can have any doubt about that given the circumstances we are living in today and the events that we lived through last year. We have... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr John White: The UDP took the role and function of the Parades Committee very seriously. From the outset we believed it vital that the Forum deliberate not solely on matters on which there would be a reasonable degree of consensus across the... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The Business Committee — not I, but the Business Committee — decided that we should try to limit this discussion to two hours. That time is fast approaching, and there are five more speakers, as well as Mr Wilson, who is to sum up. It... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspends and then reconvenes] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Smyth as temporary Chair Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Smyth is temporarily the chair, and no objections are raised.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Tom Robinson: First of all I concur with the remarks that have been made by other Members here today in thanking you, Mr Chairman, for the way you have conducted the business in the Forum over the last number of months. The Chairman: I am so... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Robinson Speech: Attacks on minority communities Friday March 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Sexual Harassment Thursday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The business committee agree for this to be part of the business of the Forum] Thursday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Sexual Harassment Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
DUP Amendment: Sexual harrassment motion Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: May I, first of all, agree that this is a subject of significance and importance. Anybody, at whatever level in life — including myself as a constituency representative — who has actually spoken to people who have been affected by... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Steele: May I congratulate the Women's Coalition on their energy and their contribution to the Forum since its inception. I just regret that they have found it necessary to bring this motion forward today. I agree with a lot of what Mr Robinson... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Alcock: I believe that, to a large extent, the reason the Northern Ireland Women's Coalition felt it necessary to propose the motion that it has reflects the history of the Forum to date. We should remember that the idea of having a Forum at all was... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Main Question, as amended, put. The Ayes and Noes having been registered by show of hands, the Deputy Chairman declared the Ayes to be in excess of the required majority. Main Question, as amended, accordingly agreed to. Resolved: The Northern... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: I always enjoy these five-minute debates. They enable us to travel from Craigavon to Singapore and other places and it is always interesting to listen to others. Before coming to the point I wish to raise I would like to make two... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Kirkland Speech: RSA Stage 2 qualifications Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Calvert Speech: Parades Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday June 1997Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
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Hussey Speech: Natural Gas Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs I Robinson: Thank you, Mr Chairman. I am not going to respond to the attack that this Gentleman made across the Chamber. It was hardly even worth listening to. I want briefly to refer to Mr Kirkland's comments about the RSA. It is a wonder we have... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Coulter Speech: Insecurity in the community Friday March 1997Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
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Mr Bolton: Mr Chairman, as we come to the adjournment of this session of our Forum, I would like to pay tribute to yourself, to the Committees and to the Members of the Forum for the sterling job they have done. Some good work was done by the Forum,... Friday March 1997Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
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Mr Benson: Mr Chairman, may I also endorse the remarks that have been made about the very efficient and excellent manner in which you have carried out your duties. Ialso pay tribute to your staff. A number of remarks have been made about underfunding... Friday March 1997Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
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Mr Taylor: Will the Member give way? Mrs I Robinson: No, I will not give way. Mr Taylor: I was not invited. Mrs I Robinson: The Member was invited. I saw the letter. Mr Taylor: Well, I did not get it. Mrs I Robinson: He did, and he replied. Mr... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Coulter Speech: Local Councils Friday March 1997Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
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[Editor's Note: Chairman of the Committee] Friday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
Summer Recess Recommendation Thursday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This recommendation is given to the Forum on the following day.] Thursday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Summer Recess Recommendation Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
It was so decided. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The discussion resulting from Paisley's comments finds that the Business Committee's choices were fair, and the Forum moves on.] Friday June 1997Committee: Standing Committee B
An Examination of Pre-School Education in Northern Ireland Friday June 1997Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editor's Note: The report is sent to the Forum for consideration and adoption.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
An Examination of Pre-School Education in Northern Ireland Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Steward Speech: Driving licences and tests Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
3.45 pm Mr Sammy Wilson: Is the Member telling me that they spent £3.5 million on an empty building? Is that good expenditure of public funds? Mr Stewart: The council did not spend £3.5 million — I can assure you of that. The Chairman: I am very... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: Earlier today another Committee Chairman gave a report on the activities of his Committee, so I will report on the activity of Standing Committee B. Committee B, which deals with educational issues, is finalising draft six of its report on... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McFarland: May I thank the Chairman of Standing Committee B, Mr Gibson, for his kind words. He has continued to be firm but courteous, and it is a treat to be told off in that homely Tyrone way. May I also reiterate the comments about Liz Benson... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: May I too congratulate Mr Gibson and the Committee on another excellent report. They set a very high standard in their last report to the Forum, and they have certainly continued that standard. We all agree that the provision of nursery... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: I rise to support the motion. This is a very timely report. Members will have noted that it makes no wild or extravagant claims. As the Committee Chairman said, there are many vested interests in this field — vested interests from... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Resolved: That the Forum adopts the report on pre-school education in Northern Ireland prepared by Standing Committee B on 27 June 1997 and decides to forward it to the Minister for Education, with the request that he give serious consideration to its... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Message to the Minister for Education Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This letter is therefore sent.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for 15 minutes Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Timings for the UKUP Motion Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
It was so decided. Mr Trimble: Does that mean that everyone else will be allowed up to 10 minutes? The Chairman: It does. I so rule. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Taylor: I made a mistake earlier — and when I make a mistake, I admit it — on the subject of the Comber/Dundonald Road. I thought another meeting was being referred to. I was certainly invited to the meeting of the Comber Road/Dundonald Road... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: It would be inappropriate for us to adjourn without some reference to the motion we have on the Order Paper which asks that the Forum adjourn to a specific date, that date being 30 May, which would, very properly, have the Forum... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I was almost tearful at some of the things you all said. I greatly appreciate it. I hope you will agree that dialogue, as I have told the media, does not mean that people cannot express themselves with vehemence and with passion. There... Friday March 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 11.43 am and resumed at 12.02 pm. Friday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the Prime Minister's Statement about political development talks Thursday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Prime Minister's Statement about political development talks Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: When the Prime Minister made his speech at the Royal Ulster Agricultural Society earlier this month, many people were alarmed at the suggestion that officials of the Government would meet Sinn Fein, allegedly for explanatory reasons.... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Trimble: I think it appropriate that we have this opportunity to take note of the Prime Minister's statement. There is no doubt that what he said this week will turn out to be one of the key turning-points in terms of how the process — whatever... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting breaks and then returns.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Ms McWilliams, I apologize to you on behalf of those who missed the resumption time. Ms McWilliams: Do you want me to start, Mr Chairman, or to wait until everybody is seated? The Chairman: Perhaps it would be courteous to wait. Ms... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: Dr Paisley's first comment was that the hour is grave. Every Unionist in the Forum today will concur with that. Unionism is under pressure more than ever. I rarely use the word, but I have to say that over the past few days Protestantism,... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We look forward to Mr McCartney's summing-up. As it is now 2.56 and we have another debate to complete within the hour, perhaps he will be quick. Mr McCartney: I am certainly not guaranteeing to sum up in four minutes, if that is what... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: The Forum notes the statement about political development talks made by the Prime Minister to the House of Commons on 25 June 1997. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Respond to NIWC Belfast Telegraph article Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Welcome after Recess Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Vote on the Chairperson Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Statement on Whiteabbey Hospital Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum tacitly accepts the statement] Friday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Local Government Thursday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum considers this motion on the following day.] Thursday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Local Government Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Davis: Mr Robinson has briefly outlined what Lord Dubs had to say. I would like to dwell, at a more personal level, on the frustrations of a local councillor. It is well known that for the past 24 years Northern Ireland has had quasi or sham local... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: It is coming up to 4 o'clock, and we have five more people to speak and then the summing-up. Shall we roll this over to next week? It was so decided. The debate stood adjourned until 4 July 1997. Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Members: Hear, Hear. The Chairman: I am very touched indeed, and I would be delighted. Actually, I looked up the provision to see what I should do in this situation, which is to vacate the Chair. But, first, I have to accept the nomination. Mr Hugh... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. Before anybody else speaks, the person who has been nominated must state that he is prepared to accept the nomination. The Chairman: I accept with immense gratitude. I am happy to go on doing this... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Trimble to Limit His Speaking Time Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The 2 minutes of silence are observed] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman is explaining the decision of the business committee and there are no objections] Friday July 1997Committee: Standing Committee C
Letter to SDLP Leader encouraging them to engage with the committee] Friday July 1997Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editor's Note: The letter is considered by the Forum on 4th July] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 51(96%); Noes 2. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Eileen Bell, Thomas Benson, Robert Bolton, David Brewster, David Browne, David Campbell, Gregory Campbell, Mervyn Carrick, James Clarke, Wilson Clyde, Robert... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
WOMEN'S COALITION: FORUM REVIEW The Chairman: Mr Cedric Wilson indicated earlier that he wanted to say something more about the matter to which he referred. Mr Cedric Wilson: Mr Chairman, I am sure that most Members read last evening's 'Belfast... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I so rule. I would just to say two things about this matter — and I would be most grateful if Members could just listen, as we do not want a debate about it now. We ought to remember, as I said this morning, that there are people who... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: I want to make it very clear that I have no problems with the Women's Coalition's raising matters and being critical of the Forum and of how it conducts its business or the debates that take place. I am talking about an attack on its... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to SDLP Leader encouraging them to engage with the committee] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The phrasing 'I trust' suggests the letter was sent. No Objections are raised.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Wilson, Chairman of Standing Committee A, has told me that his Committee has not had anything more than an acknowledgement of the report on parades which was sent to the Secretary of State on 20 June. We all understand that the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Business of the Session Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Statement on behalf of Standing Committee D Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley (by leave of the Forum) : I am sure that we welcome this statement, but the set-back is even worse than it seems. Those of us who met Dr Cunningham were certainly disillusioned if we thought that there would be firm action by the... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Dr Paisley, you said that I might rule you out of order, and I am indeed doing that to some degree. However, having seen the television programme last night and heard the broadcast this morning, I agree that it was an absolutely insulting... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
LOCAL GOVERNMENT Debate resumed on motion: This Forum takes note of the speech delivered by Lord Dubs, the Minister with responsibility for local government in Northern Ireland, during the SOLACE conference at Belfast's Waterfront Hall on Tuesday... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I will be very brief because most points have been covered. As probably one of the longest-serving local-authority members — with some 26years' experience — I can remember the time before 1973, when councils did have powers. Believe me,... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: I rise to support the motion. One thing concerns me, and we have heard it not only from the new Minister responsible for the environment but also from his predecessor, Malcolm Moss. Lord Dubs is a listener ear — I have met him on a... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum takes note of the speech delivered by Lord Dubs, Minister with responsibility for local government in Northern Ireland, during the SOLACE conference at Belfast's Waterfront Hall on Tuesday 17June 1997,... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend Meeting for 15 minutes Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspends and then resumes.] Friday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: Motions in the Forum were agreed in advance by the Business committee, and sent to the Forum for consideration] Thursday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hussey: I intend to be brief in order to allow the whole body an opportunity to contribute to the debate on this non-contentious motion, which expresses concern at irregularities that may have occurred in recent elections — abuse of the system or... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Election Irregularities Motion: Composite Motion Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Nesbitt] The 1989 Act requires extensive monitoring of the work-force and close monitoring of every applicant and every appointee in large firms. Since 1992 the Fair Employment Commission has published the make-up of the work-force of all major... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
DUP Amendment: Standing Advisory Commission Motion Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We welcome the report by SACHR. It is extremely wide-ranging and very thorough in terms of the research that was carried out on both employment and unemployment in Northern Ireland. It also recognizes the importance of education and... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Suspend for Lunch Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumed after lunch] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: In the recent Queen's Speech the Government outlined three areas in which they want to see swift action in Northern Ireland: their so-called confidence-building measures — namely, parades, policing and fair employment. The one that has... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: I rise to support the amendment in the name of my party. This has been an exceptionally good debate so far. I hope it will continue and that I can contribute something to it. I also trust that the informed debate will be noted not... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: Mr Neeson said that the SACHR report had respect but we disagree with that. The membership of the Commission dealing with this subject was not balanced and did not reflect the composition of the community: there were more Roman Catholics... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Empey: I think that everyone in the Chamber supports the concept of equal opportunity for every citizen. That is a goal that we all can share and all strive to achieve. There are many people who disagree on the mechanics of how you achieve that, but... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I urge Members to consider the DUP amendment because it is the way of responding to this report which best expresses the views of the people whom we are here to represent. We must recognize that there have been problems in the past, and I... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Hussey: Whereabouts and behaviour of young people Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am sure, Mr Hussey, that you speak for every Member. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Election Irregularities Motion: DUP amendment Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Would visitors and staff please not talk outside while we are having our two minutes of prayer and meditation. It is very difficult — as Members have pointed out — to spend the two minutes properly if one is interrupted by talking and... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I rise to support the DUP amendment. I have enjoyed this morning's debate. It has certainly highlighted many things which have been on people's minds during the past two elections. I want to mention two things. One is in relation to... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Composite Motion: Removal of reference to Political Affairs Committee Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
10.08 am Lord Alderdice: On a point of order Mr Chairman. May I again draw attention to the point I made last time on Rule 13(1). As Chairman, you must draw your own conclusions, but I wish to make it clear that we find this ruling quite unacceptable,... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Chairman's guidelines for the use of rule 13.1 Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman plans to discuss the guidelines with the Business committee, so it is entered as being referred to that committee.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No other forum members make comment.] Friday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Business committee decide which motions are considered and therefore the motion is represented as having been referred by the Business committee to the Forum] Thursday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Rev Dr Ian Paisley:] There seems to be tremendous pressure on people not to state their convictions honestly. If a person has the courage to state his convictions, the other side immediately accuses him of extremism. I have listened to the radio... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Alliance Amendment: Motion on Parades Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: I want to allude very briefly to what I have called the Political Affairs Committee. I have used this term for the simple reason that when the Forum assembled first, it was very easy for us to create Committees that parallelled... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: I listen carefully but I do not want us to be tied down by technical arguments. In principle, the Political Affairs Committee has been approved; how we initiate it is what has to be addressed on Thursday. I am not going to quarrel... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: I am happy enough; I suggested to some of the other Members earlier that that would be a possible way to resolve it. But may I just seek clarification? Both Dr Paisley and MrNeeson said that this should be referred to the Business... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Lord Alderdice:] In the last 12 hours or so Orange lodges in Belfast, Londonderry, Newry and Armagh have made some very important and responsible decisions which have changed the situation quite dramatically — albeit not perhaps in the way that some... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Amended Alliance Amendment: Motion on Parades Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The composite motion on which the Forum is about to take a decision is that read out by Mr Maginnis, with the amendments that have been agreed. Resolved: Given the concerns expressed by a wide spectrum of political, public and business... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: We heard so much from the Labour Party when they were in Opposition about their plans for training and education. One realizes that we are at a very early stage in the life of this Government but, nevertheless, one of the worries that... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Sympathies to the families of the policemen murdered in Lurgan Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The amended Alliance amendment is agreed to] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: When a terrorist gunman places his revolver against the temple of a bank cashier and says "Hand over the money" we may all conclude that it is a correct and prudent decision by the cashier to hand over the contents of his till. But that... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Break to consider the montion and amendments Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 11.33 am and resumed at 11.53 am. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: The debate today is a serious one because our province is facing, and has faced, a great onslaught of terrorism and terrorist violence. I have listened carefully to the speeches and noted some of the comments made by Members. It... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: The events of the past week will not be properly interpreted if we view them purely in the context of last week. The important thing is to ensure that we look at the entire background — the background of over 25 years of violence — if... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: I would like, first, to endorse Mr Maginnis's remarks about the Protestant business community in the west of Dungannon town. One firm that has been there for many years saw its principal shot to death and two of its workers gunned down as... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: Northern Ireland, and Belfast, is a rather sad place today. Like most Members, I am most certainly relieved at the decision taken last night by the Orange Institution. I speak today as a member of that great Order and as a former... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.59 pm and resumed at 14.01 pm. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Extend the sitting Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I did not intend to speak on the subject at all. The Chairman: Well, you do not have to. Mr Casey: I shall, since you have called me, Mr Chairman. I am going to stick to the report itself. I am not going to enter into condemnation of... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] Whether or not it is necessary depends on the number of people who speak and the length of their speeches. We have 14 people and I should be grateful if they would be as succinct as possible. Anyone wishing to withdraw his or her name... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: This is a time of great anxiety, a time for courage and a time for exercising responsibility. The 11th of July is a date that everyone here has for years regarded as a lovely time, a time to look forward to, an occasion for carnival, for... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: A number of Members prefaced their remarks with references to historical events. Several mentioned the situation in pre-Nazi Germany — the rise of National Socialism and the consequent erosion and contamination of democracy and... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: I have listened to all the speeches this morning with some interest. First of all, I want to support the party motion and the amendment, because the amendment does highlight the relevant facts of what this debate is all about. This morning... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn at 5 o'clock Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: Mr Chairman, some of us have bonfires to light tonight, so it might be better stopping at four o'clock. The Chairman: Perhaps we should compromise and make it half past four. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: No, five o'clock. Otherwise, it would... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Resolved: That the sitting be extended to 5.00 pm. — [Mr Poots] Debate resumed. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I rise to support the amended DUP motion. I would like to make a comparison between the conduct of the Orangemen at Sunday's parade at Drumcree and that of the Garvaghy Road residents in the early hours of the morning. Many of us go to... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Eric Smyth please. Mr Smyth, will you please try to be as quick as you can. Mr Eric Smyth: I want to identify myself with the brethren in Portadown who took a brave stand for the Protestant faith and the way of life that we all enjoy.... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs I Robinson: I regret that Ms McWilliams did not stay for the rest of the debate, as it is to her that I want to address my comments. It is interesting that she selected only the Parades Committee for condemnation, that she did not condemn the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: This has been a very sobering debate. It has had its light moments, and it is a good thing that a sense of humour is deeply embedded in the Ulster character. I do not know what would happen in our situation if we had not that sense... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: May I thank all of those Members of the Forum who made a contribution this morning. Many of the contributions have helped to highlight the significance of this report. I do not want to keep people from their lunch, but it is important... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: May I just check that the Ulster Unionist amendment is an addition to the motion, rather than a substitution. Labour assumed that it was a substitution, whereas I assumed that it was an addition. I have not yet had any guidance from the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
UUP stand alone amendment: Motion on Parades Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Main Question, with the amendment in the name of Mr Peter Robinson, put. [Editor's note: When the final motion is given, these additions were included] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Clarity on subsitution and addendum amendments Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 44 (86%); Noes 7. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Robert Bolton, David Browne, Cecil Calvert, David Campbell, Gregory Campbell, Mervyn Carrick, James Clarke, WilsonClyde, Robert Coulter, Ivan Davis, Nigel... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
This motion is very important, and I am glad to see that a number of Members have turned up for the debate. Although we are not accepting the DUP amendment, we agree with its sentiments. We do not wish to accept it because it is far too general. It... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I will do that. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
5.00 pm The Chairman: There is a lot in what you say. I would like to have the matter fully discussed by the Business Committee next Thursday. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Respect for the Chairman's ruling Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Indeed. Lord Alderdice, please accept some degree of remonstration. I did note however, that when I stood up, you sat down. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I would like a break of five minutes because I really want to think about this. The meeting was suspended at 1.03 pm and resumed at 1.08 pm. The Chairman: Before I address the Rule 13.1 issue, I would like to put on record my thanks to... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: "Whatever you say, say nothing" should be today's slogan. I support the DUP amendment although I believe that there is no need for this motion at all. It seems to me that this is a plea to go easy on the female party in the Forum. I notice... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Deputy Chairperson: Will Members agree to vote by a show of hands? Ms McWilliams: You will have to take a vote, Mr Chairman. I wish we had more people supporting us, but you are going to have to take a recorded vote as there are two Members... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Disagreement over Motion movement Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Gibson, you said a couple of things to which you might want me to give some attention. First, you suggested that we get in touch with Mr Worthington. Iwould like you to suggest how you see that best being done. Secondly, there is the... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes' silence Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman also provides clarity on this point] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Timetable for the session Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: There are no objections to this suggested timetable] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's note: the discussion around this topic ends.] Friday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on EU Peace and Reconciliation Programme Thursday July 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: BUSINESS Rev Dr Ian Paisley: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. I see that there is a motion down in the name of the United Kingdom Unionist Party, and I understand that time has been allocated for it. Can the Business Committee fly in the face... Friday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Business Committee sends motions to the Forum for consideration] Thursday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on EU Peace and Reconciliation Programme Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
4.30 pm The Chairman: Prof Alcock, I am afraid we cannot take your motion tonight, as we are really over time. Mr Alcock: That will be a great relief to everybody. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
EUROPEAN UNION PEACE AND RECONCILIATION PROGRAMME Mr Alcock: I beg to move the following motion: This Forum warmly welcomes the European Union's 1995 five-year special programme for peace and reconciliation of 300 million ECU (£240 million), and in... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Dodds: We support the motion that has been proposed by Prof Alcock. We too welcome the special peace and reconciliation programme which was set up, largely at the instigation of the Northern Ireland Members of the European Parliament, who took the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: I rise to support the motion. The peace and reconciliation partnerships which have been developed in Northern Ireland, and the money allocated to them from Europe, have benefited this entire society in many ways over the last couple of... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Forum counted, and 22 Members being then present — Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: The project involved creating a 51-mile tourist trail that encompassed an unexplored and little-known part of mid-Tyrone. It was considered by the various funders as a good project, but we discovered that funding intended for simple things... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum warmly welcomes the European Union's 1995 five-year special programme for peace and reconciliation of 300 million ECU (£240 million), and in particular the targeting of disadvantaged groups for... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
I wish to emphasize that our report emerged from what was known as the voucher system. This was to be introduced to provide for pre-school or nursery education, but after we had started our investigations the Government of the day withdrew it. However,... Friday June 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
Interim Report on Long-Term Unemployment Friday July 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
[Editor's Note: The report is sent to the Forum for consideration] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Interim Report on Long-Term Unemployment Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: As we have got through the first item of business with greater dispatch than was originally anticipated, some of the time-frames which seemed of such significance at 10 o'clock have diminished somewhat. Perhaps we can now resolve that... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Adopt Long-term unemployment report Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The session breaks for lunch and then resumes] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum adopts the interim report by Standing Committee E on long-term unemployment. The Chairman: On my own behalf I congratulate the Committee, and Mr Nesbitt in particular, on the start of what will... Friday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Local Government Environment Functions Thursday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum considers this motion on the following day] Thursday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Coulter:] In moving this motion I am aware that its implications are far-reaching. They are far-reaching for the nature of government in this province; far-reaching for the citizens of the province; and far-reaching for elected representatives at... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I should like to support the motion. Mr Coulter has clarified a few matters. Originally when I looked at the proposal I thought that the idea was that local government should be involved with the Department of the Environment. Some Members... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum calls on the Department of the Environment (DOE) and the 26 local-government Authorities to negotiate a redistribution of environmental responsibilities within town and village boundaries; advocates... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: I have other business, so I cannot stay for the Member's speech. Mr Hugh Smyth: It is not a speech. It will be over by the time Mr McCartney gets out of the door. Mr Chairman, I am not the head of the health authority. The Chairman:... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Rules surrounding time for special debates Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
PARADES (REVIEW): FORUM REPORT Mr Cedric Wilson: With regard to Standing Committee A's concern about the Secretary of State's decision to ignore the views of 86% of the elected representatives — The Chairman: I have already spoken, and I do not want... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Press Treatment of the Forum Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Agenda Item: Pre-school education report Friday July 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
Report on Evidence about the Performance of the Northern Ireland Economy given to Standing Committee E Friday July 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
[Editor's Note: The forum considered the report on this date.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Send a copy of the resolution to Mr Santer Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I would be happy to do that. We have had a very business-like and succinct debate. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: As I am sure Members know, "SOLACE" stands for "Society of Local Authority Chief Executives". The Waterfront Hall speech by Lord Dubs, as it was reported in the local papers, will have left many people with the impression that this... Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Send a copy of the debate to Robert Ramsay Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The decision seems to be tacitly accepted] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Beattie: As a councillor and a DUP representative I welcome Lord Dubs's decision not to permit the development of the quarry as a landfill site. Had he granted permission, East Antrim would have become a dump for the province, which would not have... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: I also rise to support the idea of increased responsibilities for local representatives. It is good if, as we have heard, the new Government are going to listen to the people and their representatives. As a Member of Belfast City... Friday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the Standing Advisory Commission on Human Rights employment equality deliberations Thursday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: I welcome the introduction of this report. Unemployment, especially long-term unemployment, is a very important topic, a very serious problem, and it is important that we look at what can be done about it. It is truly a curse — very... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I will be brief because most of the points have been covered. I too would like to congratulate the Committee Chairman, Mr Nesbitt, on the report. Our representative who attends his Committee meetings is greatly impressed by his... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in what is a very important and timely debate. I would like to congratulate the Committee for bringing this to our attention. The good people of Northern Ireland are indebted to them for that, and... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: I have just a few points to make, and I shall take the last point first. I preface my comments by the comments made by my DUP Colleague over there, with respect to FrankField. In other words, I will try to reflect what Sir George was... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This appears to be the end of the discussion about this matter.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This agenda item seems to only involve the Chairman making this one point, and therefore it is now represented as dropped.] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Report on Evidence about the Performance of the Northern Ireland Economy given to Standing Committee E Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Note the Performance of the Economy Report Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Nesbitt:] Perhaps, when the report goes out, the word "performance", which has crept in, will not be in its title since this is not so much about the performance of the Northern Ireland economy as about evidence on aspects of the economy given to... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have written to M Jacques Santer, as I was asked to do following the debate last Friday on Prof Alcock's motion on the peace and reconciliation fund. I look forward to his reply. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum notes the report on evidence about the performance of the Northern Ireland Economy given to Standing Committee E. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Proposal to allow 10 minutes speeches in the Adjournment Debate Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: It is not a difficult task to wind up a debate in which there has not been a great deal of controversy. The Chairman: Particularly when there has been so much credit for Castlereagh. Mr Peter Robinson: Yes. I will come to some of... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Has anyone any objection to that? It was so decided. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Standing Advisory Commission on Human Rights employment equality deliberations Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Amendment compromise: Standing Advisory Commission Motion Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Does the DUP accept that? Mr Gregory Campbell: Mr Nesbitt and I spoke about this and I thought I made it clear to him that the problem we have is that, although the Catholic community has full confidence in fair employment legislation,... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
3.45 pm Question: That the amendment in the name of Mr Neeson be made The Forum divided: Ayes 4; Noes 46. Ayes: John Alderdice, Eileen Bell, Monica McWilliams, Sean Neeson. Noes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Thomas Benson, Robert Bolton,... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 11.11 am and resumed at 11.31 am. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am sorry, but when I made that ruling I believed there was consent for the extension of time, and I so rule. [Editor's Note: The Chairman reaffirms his ruling in adopting the proposal] Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Summer Adjournment Debate) Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: I am happy to follow Mr Hussey's remarks. I shall be dealing with a similar subject but I am quite content to leave his remarks standing and simply to nod assent in that direction. First of all I would like to look at the origins of... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Members to affirm or deny giving way Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: I am not giving way. Mr Hugh Smyth: Thank you very much. Could the Member not have done that in the first place? Mr David Campbell: I think the continuation of speech is an indication that one is not giving way. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I think I had better rule on this because it does happen quite often. Ithink it is important that a Member who is speaking should indicate positively yes or no when there is a request to give way, otherwise we can get two people making... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Alliance Amendment: Standing Advisory Commission Motion Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Dodds: May I thank my Friend, Mr Hugh Smyth, for having the courtesy to stay for a few minutes. I know he is always anxious to get away to other things at this time of the day, and not to have to face others in eyeball-to-eyeball debate for the rest... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 1.00pm and resumed at 2.03 pm. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Bell: I take this opportunity to make a few very basic, but personal, comments. The Forum rises today after a very serious and significant period in our history. Violence and sectarian activity have increased, and the Northern Ireland people have... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
2.30 pm Mr Gardiner: To use a phrase coined by Mr Hugh Smyth, I shall be brief. The Government, as they consider which projects to fund for the millennium celebrations, should concentrate solely on planting trees throughout Northern Ireland. We are... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I rise to support the Alliance Party amendment. The Standing Advisory Commission was invited to review employment equality in Northern Ireland. This is its report, and I welcome it. We see on page 1 that the Commission itself is alert to the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: I feel sorry for the people of Northern Ireland today who are, once again, being fooled by those who try to deceive them. Those deceivers tell us that if we negotiate with the IRA all will be well; we will come out as strong Unionists;... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: One of the buzz-words or phrases that we have heard a great deal about in recent times is that of confidence-building measures. Like so many phrases, it has a sub-text and it has been widely taken as meaning concessions to Nationalists. I... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: I come here today as a somewhat disillusioned person. Democracy has been rejected by the Government and violent Republicanism has been embraced. We opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985 — it was voted against by many of us, and that was... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until 10.00 am on Friday 5 September 1997. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCartney: On the assumption that the minutiae of the subject-matter has been examined with the care and consideration shown by Mr Weir, I would like simply to make a number of general remarks to set the context of the debate. Let me start with the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: I should like, first, to apologize for missing the first part of the debate. I was delayed on my way here. Some of the comments that I have heard are regrettable. They do not progress the argument in a constructive way. This issue —... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr King: I am in the happy position of being a late contributor to the debate and of being aware that a great deal of what I wanted to say has been said by others. The Chairman: So you will not repeat it. Mr King: I am in the very happy position of... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have an interesting situation. I am told that the change suggested by Mr Nesbitt was not accepted by the DUP but that they are willing to alter the wording of their amendment to that which he suggested, unsuccessfully, might be... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The motion now reads as follows: "In noting the publication of the entirety of the Standing Advisory Commission on Human Rights deliberations on employment equality, the Forum, while recognizing continuing perceptions of the alleged... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 26 (86%); Noes 4; Abstentions 19. Ayes: Antony Alcock, Thomas Benson, David Brewster, David Browne, David Campbell, James Clarke, Robert Coulter, Ivan Davis, RegEmpey, Sam Foster, Sam Gardiner, John Hunter, Derek... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
EMPLOYMENT The Chairman: At the close of business last week I deferred a decision under Rule 13(1) on the resolution that resulted from the motion proposed by MrNesbitt and later modified. I promised to return to the matter at the start of today's... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: Mr Chairman, may I on behalf of our Members wish you and the Forum's staff a very peaceful and happy month ahead. The Chairman: Thank you very much. The meeting was adjourned at 3.25 pm. Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is held] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Observe a minutes silence Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Members observed one minute's silence. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on the death of Princess Diana Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Now there is the question of my view under Rule 13(1). [Laughter]. Iam glad you find it amusing. I should like to consider this. I am not going to make my mind up now but shall defer my decision until we next meet. 4.12 pm Mr Cedric... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Standing Committee D: Delegation to Isle of Man Friday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Parades Thursday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum on behalf of the people of Northern Ireland is shocked and deeply saddened by the tragic death of Diana, Princess of Wales, and offers its heartfelt condolences and sympathy to Her Majesty the Queen,... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was adjourned at 10.38 am. [Editor's Note: By adjourning, the forum had accepted the cancellation of normal business and the motion to adjourn early] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Discussion Point: Committee A Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This can be understood as being dropped as the Chairman was simply acknowledging the event] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] I had a courteous note of apology from Mrs McWilliams and Mrs Sagar explaining that, owing to long-standing and unavoidable commitments elsewhere, there will be no one from their group present today. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Parades Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
UUP Amendment: Motion on Parades Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
11.15 am Ms McWilliams: Like many people throughout the country today, we are breathing a great sigh of relief. I can only speak for the people in my neighbourhood, many of whom were having a nightmare, which is probably the best way to explain what... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: In your introductory comments, Mr Chairman, you suggested that Members should be sensitive in addressing this issue. We in the Ulster Unionist Party certainly want to be sensitive. We support the thrust of the DUP motion, not because it is... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Chairman to discuss situation Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman says he does not wish to discuss the situation.] Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the future governance of Northern Ireland Thursday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The business committee agree for this motion to be considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I will be brief. We could have done without this motion and perhaps got on with some other business. Anyway, I will speak on it as usual. I deplore last week's violence, just as I deplored last year's violence when it came from the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: On a point of information. I thought you were going to call me to make a short statement about the hospital. The Chairman: I was going to at some stage, but I should be happy for you to make it now. Mr Hugh Smyth: I am grateful for the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
2.30 pm Mr Poots: I will go back to Sunday 29 June, when parades in Bellaghy and on the lower Ormeau Road were not allowed to proceed on their lawful way. What happened? The people involved went home peacefully. The following Sunday the parade from... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on the future governance of Northern Ireland Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
This is a very appropriate motion, particularly in view of yesterday's developments, and the Business Committee is to be congratulated on its prescience in choosing it. It is also very appropriate because it gives us an opportunity — one that we do not... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I am not going to agree with Mr McBride. Anyone who in this grave hour of Ulster's peril says that this motion advocates an independent Ulster has obviously taken leave of his political horse sense — if he ever had any political... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Donaldson: In supporting the motion moved by the Ulster Unionist Party, I want to look briefly at the whole issue of the principle of consent. It is our clear understanding that it is underlined by the constitutional guarantee set out in the... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Davis: I want to quote from the House of Commons debate of 27 November 1985 on the Anglo-Irish Agreement. I am sure that Members will know whom I am quoting. We shall be told by the Government that there must be consent, that we will be listened to,... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: This week we heard one of the least surprising announcements in the history of Northern Ireland — that the IRA was not committed to non-violence and, indeed, intended to hand in not a single weapon. Perhaps the only less surprising... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: Anyone considering this motion from outside the Chamber might wonder why the obvious has to be restated at this time. But anyone wondering that should examine the actions and the words of political leaders, not just within the United... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspends and resumes] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Quite a number of Members — mostly from the DUP — have still to speak. Please avoid repetition so that we can finish by about 4 o'clock. Rev Trevor Kirkland: I have found this debate fascinating and very informative. We have had a very... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: Many analogies have been used in this debate, and there have been some interesting contributions. Several were very reasoned; others were perhaps more swashbuckling and forthright. People have referred to boats and trains. Like trains,... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I rise to support the motion, which is very timely. It is short, simple and to the point. If you were to take seriously the propaganda which has been pushed out in recent days and weeks by the pan-Nationalist front, you would think we were... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: In winding up for the Ulster Democratic Unionist Party, Iwish to indicate our support for the motion. The future governance of Northern Ireland should be determined by the people of Northern Ireland alone. In his opening remarks... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Send copy of Debate to Mo Mowlam Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
DUP Additions: Motion on Parades Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: I belong to a third generation of Orangemen. I do not want to prolong the debate since most of the points have been made, but I just want to refer briefly to the original motion. The proper decision was taken by the Chief Constable if only... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I wrote to her yesterday reminding her that she is supposed to be coming along. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Before putting the Question on the amendment may I ask whether Members intend to press it to a vote? Mr Neeson: Alliance still believes very strongly in the amendment partly because of the ambiguity in the motion. However, there is consensus on the... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Main question put and agreed to. Resolved: The future governance of Northern Ireland should be determined by the people of Northern Ireland alone. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The progress report i given and no one responds.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put: That the amendment in the name of Lord Alderdice be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 2; Noes 24; Abstentions 22. Ayes: Lord Alderdice, Eileen Bell. Noes: May Beattie, Robert Bolton, Cecil Calvert, Gregory Campbell, Mervyn Carrick, Wilson... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
4.45 pm Question put: That the amendment in the name of Mr Nesbitt be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 24 (50%); Noes 24. Ayes: Antony Alcock, Lord Alderdice, Eileen Bell, David Browne, DavidCampbell, James Clarke, Robert Coulter, Reg Empey, SamFoster,... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Forum divided: Ayes 24 (92%); Noes 2; Abstentions 22. Ayes: May Beattie, Robert Bolton, Cecil Calvert, Gregory Campbell, MervynCarrick, Wilson Clyde, Nigel Dodds, Oliver Gibson, TrevorKirkland, Robert McCartney, William McCrea, Jack McKee, Maurice... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Now I have to decide whether the requirement of Rule 13(1) has been met. Let me remind Members of what it says: "For an affirmative decision on a matter other than a business motion, it shall be necessary for assent to be indicated by... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No one responds to this.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum turn to discuss the bombing incident in Markethill, Armagh, which occured on the 16th September.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Clarity on the making of amendments after others have spoken Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: MOTIONS AND AMENDMENTS (NOTICE) The Chairman: We have a full day of business ahead, with three motions, but before we start I want to deal with the points of order about the late introduction of changes to motions and amendments which were... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Agenda Item: The Murder of Bernadette Martin Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Alcock:] I would like, however, to mention some of the points which have been highlighted in the debate. First of all, I refer to the tributes that have been paid to the work of the MEPs in securing the funds and in following up progress. As Mr... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Local Government Environment Functions Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Discussion point: Markethill bombing incident Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion to invite the European Commissioner for Regional Policy Thursday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: this is sent to the Forum on the following day for agreement] Thursday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion to invite the European Commissioner for Regional Policy Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: May I, as a Member for that area, endorse Mr Robinson's comments very briefly. I travelled through Aghalee last Sunday, and it was a very quiet, peaceful little village. I am sure many of us remembered the Martin family in our time of prayer... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Agenda Item: Explosive Device Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Members indicated assent. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
MARKETHILL BOMBING INCIDENT Mr David Campbell: Before dealing with the matter of BSE may I say that the Committee discussed yesterday the bombing in Markethill and wrote to MrGreer Robinson, the owner of Markethill Livestock Market, which appears to... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Send a copy of the debate to Lord Dubs Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The Minister will receive the Record of Debates in the usual way, and I will attach a note. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Discussion: Paisley leaving for an hour Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The photographer. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Yes, the photographer. He took photographs of politicians and tried to make them better looking. The motion is from my party, and I want it to be known that I support it. The Chairman: Please pass... Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on a Bill of Rights Thursday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I rise to support the motion because I believe that European funding, in whatever guise, is to be welcomed, particularly for the community and voluntary sector. It has been a great boon over a number of years. We have had quite a plethora of... Friday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: I too support Prof Alcock's motion. Like Mr Dodds, I speak as a member of the Northern Ireland Partnership Board, on whose formation I would like to comment briefly. There are 26 district partnership boards across the province, all... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on a Bill of Rights Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Ian Paisley Jr:] Mr Chairman, it will not have slipped your notice that one of the ironic things about Northern Ireland is that there are many fundamental matters on which, on the surface anyway, our deeply divided community appears to be able to... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: I rise to support the motion. In doing so I just want to revisit some of the areas that Mr Shannon and Mr McCarthy have mentioned on the Ards Peninsula, and a place close to your and my heart, the area of Ballyhalbert. What the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: I rise to support this motion. It is appropriate to look at the text, one that I have been long involved with in local government. In fact, when I first entered local government in the 1970s, the topic for discussion at that time was what... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: Does Mr Cedric Wilson know something I do not know? I was nearly tempted to get up and sing "We'll Meet Again" because it was a swan-song rather than a contribution to the debate. But I do rise to support the motion. There is no doubt that... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: It is appropriate, in a debate about fundamental constitutional reform, to start by welcoming the success of the referendum in Wales yesterday. It is an important development, just as the Scottish vote last week was, and it has implications... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I will be very brief because I do not intend to rehash what has already been said. This is a very happy day for my party and me, with the DUP proposing a motion on a bill of rights. As many people — the DUP included — will know, such a... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr King: I have just had a look at the list of Members who want to speak in this very interesting and important debate. To facilitate them — certainly those on these Benches— I will endeavour to be brief, in the best tradition of Mr Hugh Smyth. I am... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr William Snoddy. Mr Shannon: He had to go home. His mother has been taken into hospital. The Chairman: There are rather more DUP Members wishing to speak, and Iwanted to give some of them a chance. Mr David Brewster, please. Mr... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Continue the session and finish before lunch Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Do Members want to continue? Members indicated assent. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: When the remaining Members have spoken, will that be the end of business for today? The Chairman: I have no information about any other business. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson: I want to raise two specific matters which have not been maybe highlighted as much as I would have liked and they are the grass-cutting along the main roads and the flooding on minor roads. I hope that, as Mr Hussey said, Lord Dubs will take... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: I rise to support the motion, the point of which is really that we should have a bill of rights as a baseline. The events of the past 25 or 30 years have shown that everybody has rights. But the individual or the group with the loudest voice... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Ruling on interruptions Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you, Mr Poots. I am sorry, but I did not hear that. Are you referring to Mr Eric Smyth or to Mr Hugh Smyth? Mr Eric Smyth: I was speaking. The gentleman shouting was Mr Hutchinson of the PUP. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Ruling on derogatory language Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
10.06 am Mr Peter Robinson: It is important for us, Mr Chairman, to give very strong support to your remarks about the very evil attempt potentially to assassinate the Leader of the United Kingdom Unionist Party or to cause serious injury to him or... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Let me make two points very clear. First, I will not stand for any interruptions by spectators. Such behaviour is totally improper, and we will not allow it. In future, I will ask anyone interrupting to leave the Chamber. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
12.15 pm Secondly, I will deal with any remark made by Members within the Chamber. I do not know that there is very much I can do about what occurs outside, but offensive behaviour, such as the use of bad language, will certainly be looked into. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gardiner: May I commend the official at the door who escorted the visitor out in a very dignified manner. He did his job extremely well. The Chairman: Thank you. I will pass that on to the official concerned. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Business Committee to consider conduct Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: That is a very good idea. I will put the subject on the agenda for next Thursday. Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
Conduct inside and outside the Forum Thursday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: These proceedings remind me of an article in today's 'Daily Telegraph' about a political discussion in Albania that got so hot that in the coffee room one politician shot another. The Chairman: I would certainly rule that out of... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Nesbitt:] In bringing forward this interim report I ask people to note the front page. It is a summary of the relevant issues, and it highlights some initial conclusions. The Committee took a decision not to bring all the rather weighty... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: The Vice-Chairman of Committee E, my Colleague Mr McAlister, is on holiday following his recent illness. We trust that this rest will contribute significantly to his full recovery to health and strength. On behalf of the Vice-Chairman and... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Rev Trevor Kirkland:] There is a touch of irony in this debate. The Ulster Unionist Party, including MrBrewster, supports a bill of rights, but, as MrMaginnis said on 'Newsnight' this week, the IRA will be sitting at the negotiating table next week —... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: the meeting was adjourned] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This is the end of the discussion of the Markethill bombing incidence] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Clarke: I congratulate the Chairman on the hard work that he has put into the Committee. I gather that a lot has been said on the subject though I did not hear all those who spoke. It is soul-destroying for anyone to be unemployed. I can relate... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Steele: As a member of the Economy Committee I want to commend the work done by the Committee's Chairman, Mr Nesbitt, its Vice-Chairman, Mr McAlister, the Secretary, MrClements, and indeed all the other members. Gathering this evidence and... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum calls for the establishment of a bill of rights for Northern Ireland. Given the general, all-party support for the principle of a bill of rights, the Forum urges the Government to proceed with this proposal. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Under Rule 7(1) the Business Committee is charged with deciding under which Standing Committee designation (A, B, C, D or E) this Committee will operate. [Editor's Note: The Business committee are charged with deciding which Committee should take... Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Thursday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Business committee do not make any decisions regarding this document yet. It is thus shown as being referred because the Forum subsequently make more decisions to change this document.] Thursday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: I welcome this opportunity to look at the economy, and Icongratulate the Committee on its work. Though no final report has yet been produced, a lot of very useful work has been done. I regret that because of work commitments I have not... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The motion is accepted and therefore the electoral committee is added to the Standing Committee document] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: the Business committee are charged with the official wording of the new committee and thus it is referred out to them.] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I am very disappointed at the remarks of Mr Sammy Wilson. If he had been a regular attender of the Committee's meetings he would have realized that there is a great deal of co-operation in it. This is the first case of such dissent that I... Friday July 1997Committee: Business Committee
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Thursday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: These changes are agreed to because they are sent to the Forum for approval.] Thursday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The document is now sent to the Forum for approval] Thursday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The decision is made to rubber stamp the changes previously discussed in the business committee and the Forum] Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This document always returns to the business committee] Friday June 1997Committee: Business Committee
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Thursday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
Amendment: Charging Committee A with the political affairs remit Thursday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Business committee were given the power to decide this by the Forum, so it is adopted] Thursday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Business committee send this to the Forum, who discuss the changes on 26/09/97] Thursday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This acts as a rubber stamp for the Business Committee's choices] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: I would like to make some observations about the evidence presented to Committee E and to highlight some of the issues. First, however, may Iassure Mr Neeson that my Colleague MrSammyWilson is quite capable of holding down his day job and... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCarthy: My contribution today will be short and is in the form of an appeal to all Members. This is the 40th meeting of the Northern Ireland Forum and during the course of those meetings most of our business has been carried out in a largely... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
McAlister to make speech on the World Land-Speed Record Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Members indicated assent. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Do Members agree to our doing that? It was so decided. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: STANDING COMMITTEE A (POLITICAL-AFFAIRS REMIT) The Chairman: Let me go back to the matter of Standing Committee A. Members have agreed to our proceeding with what was recommended by the Business Committee yesterday, but it is understood that... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: I will make just a few points. One point which was mentioned was the aspect of the European region and direct representation. Again, that fits in with what has been said about the complicated nature of the issue. I note that even yesterday... Friday July 1997Committee: Standing Committee C
Report on the operation of the health service in Northern Ireland Monday September 1997Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editor's Note: The report is sent to the Forum for consideration.] Monday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Report on the operation of the health service in Northern Ireland Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Adopt and forward the operation of the health service report Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am sure that everyone will agree that this was a very workmanlike, detailed and profound operation. I shall pass on your words of commendation to the staff. Thank you. Mr Gardiner: We have heard about the background to this report and... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: I always find it very interesting and productive to contribute to reports like this one. When the Northern Ireland Assembly of the period 1982-86 produced reports of this type they were subjected to intensive debate, and there was... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I rise to support the motion that was so ably proposed by the Committee's Vice-Chairman, Mrs Parkes. I am sure that she will not like it, but I have to say that she led nearly all the delegations to hospitals and chaired quite a number of... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Robert John White: Mr Calvert mentioned the fact that 52% of people are entitled to free prescriptions, but more relevant is that 18% or 19% of the population actually get free prescriptions. Far fewer people are required to pay. If the system were... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Report on health-care to be considered 'part-1' Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Is that all right, Mrs Parkes? Mrs Parkes: I think the Committee would be prepared to accept that. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: I should like to become acquainted with Mr Calvert's chemist because I am one of the less favoured few who have to pay for prescriptions. I have learnt much today, but first I must congratulate the Committee members on the report that they... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Before I call on Mrs Parkes to sum up, I would like to make a couple of points. The first is, of course, that the word "draft" appears in red ink on the front of this report. With the consent of the Forum, some of the points that have... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Ulster Unionist Members say that they did not agree to 10 minutes — and that I either was not looking at them or did not hear them. So I have a little problem. If I made a ruling about 10 minutes, I must stick by it. I have no idea what... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] Secondly, of course, the future of the Health Committee should be a matter for the Health Committee itself to discuss and make recommendations to us on. Mrs Parkes: In the light of today's debate, and in response to what you have... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hussey: I wish to take this opportunity to respond — [Interruption]. MrChairman, are you calling the Chamber to order? The Chairman: Yes, indeed. Please let us hear him because I want to listen to the point he is going to make, and I want to hear... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
12.00 Mr John White: The IRA cease-fire which was called last Sunday may just be another tactical cessation of violence. The Republican leadership itself sees it only as a reinstatement of the 1994 cease-fire, and I do not need to tell you that that... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: Peace is very satisfying but it only seems to be on offer on Sinn Fein's terms. Because of such disappointment Unionist unity is vitally important. It is a sad reflection on Her Majesty's Government that policies made for Northern Ireland... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: I wish to move the Forum's attention to another matter. However, before I do so, I would like to comment briefly on Mr Smyth's remarks. While the issue of consent is obviously paramount when one is dealing with proven liars, it is... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum adopts the Report on the operation of the Health Service in Northern Ireland prepared by Standing Committee 'C' (Health Issues) on 22 September 1997, and forwards this to the Minister responsible... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The session suspends and then resumes] Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Integrated Transport Policy Thursday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is raised in the Forum on the following day - 26/09/97] Thursday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Integrated Transport Policy Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
As the train is now leaving the station, it is very appropriate that we should be having a debate in the Forum on transport policy. It is quite clear from the public utterances made by the Labour Party that the Government are trying to bring about... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Phone interruption Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: My apologies, Mr Chairman. It was accidentally left on this morning, and then I happened to be showing it to someone and I forgot to turn it off again. That is why I got caught twice. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: The motion says "This Forum takes note of the Government's publication 'Developing an integrated Transport Policy'." When we read the document, 'Developing an integrated transport policy: An invitation to contribute' we can do... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: I also want to dwell on the present process, but I hope that my comments will not be repetitive in any way. The Chairman: Good. Mr Gregory Campbell: The past 14 months have been spent with many of us in the Forum trying to ensure... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Cancel normal business and adjourn Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: I agree with much of what Mr Ian Paisley has just said. We, too, find that there are as many questions to be asked about this document as there have been answers and that creates a problem when you want to take note of the... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Committee to discuss integrated transport policy for Northern Ireland Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: That is a very interesting suggestion. Mr Nesbitt, did you head that suggestion by Mr White that a Committee might look at the 27 questions and answer them on behalf of the Forum? Mr Nesbitt: That is what Mr Neeson, the proposer of this... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Poots:] I am glad that the Government want to produce an integrated transport policy because we do not have an integrated transport system. Look at the rail network. You could say that we have a skeleton rail network — and the skeleton has only... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Quorum not met Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Forum counted, and 22 Members being then present — Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
12.15 pm Mr McMichael: I feel somewhat ambushed by all this talk. A lot of the debate about decommissioning, particularly in the last few days, has been about the credibility or otherwise of the IRA cease-fire and whether it is genuine or tactical.... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Knowing me, Mr Chairman, I will probably not even use my five minutes. I am particularly pleased to have an opportunity to speak on the Erne and Tyrone County Hospitals. The Health Committee had the opportunity to visit the Sperrin... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: I wish to speak briefly on the Agenda 2000 proposals which were outlined a fortnight ago by the European President, Jacques Santer. The document extends to some 1300 pages so I propose to deal with it and comment very briefly, in the... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Agenda item: Committee B progress report Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Hussey:] Did I hear another phone? The Chairman: We have got another phone ringing. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Give him 400 lashes. Mr Hussey: Only 400? Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I suggest that the Business Committee should discuss how best to progress this. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Message to the Business committee regarding committee consideration of transport policy Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I suggest that the Business Committee should discuss how best to progress this. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum takes note of the Government's publication 'Developing an Integrated Transport Policy'. Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned.] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: After hearing many fine speeches on the way forward for Northern Ireland from both sides of the Chamber, I have no desire to be repetitious. Therefore, today, I am going to look at the subject of the Dearing Report which came out this... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Parkes: The present situation that we find ourselves in has been caused by a devious Government whose only objective is to get Sinn Fein/IRA into talks at any price and to keep them there by giving them further concessions, having already met all... Friday July 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed.] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: STANDING COMMITTEE A (POLITICAL-AFFAIRS REMIT) The Chairman: Last Friday I may have unintentionally given the impression that only the Alliance Party was opposed to the adoption of the political-affairs remit by Standing Committee A. To keep... Friday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The chairman of the Forum notes that this has been discussed by the Business Committee in the Forum the following day and it is noted that no new rules will be made] Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Message to the Business committee regarding committee consideration of transport policy Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is discussed and agreed to as per Forum minutes 3/10/97] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This document returns to the Business Committee] Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Trimble: It is entirely appropriate that the Forum, on behalf of all of the people of Northern Ireland, should adjourn its proceedings this morning as a mark of respect for Diana, Princess of Wales, and as a way of expressing our sympathy to her... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: In all our lives many a week comes and goes unremembered. Then there are those weeks which seem long and which make a remarkable impact on our lives. This past week has been one such week. This time last week Princess Diana was lively,... Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
Addition of Transport Policy to Committee E's remit Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Chairman notes that this change has been agreed to by the business committee in the Forum minutes 3/10/97] Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The document returns to the Forum] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I too, on behalf of my party, would like to associate myself with the views which have already been expressed. It is a very distressing time for us all. What can one say? I could use the little phrase with which I usually start my... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Discussion point: Welfare to work task force Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This is essentially an acknowledgement of the change asked for by the Forum, created by the Business Committee] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I can give a ruling now. I discussed this matter with the then Secretary of State when it was first mooted, and he proposed that we should avoid plenary meetings. I do not think the intention was that this should totally preclude —... Friday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the Republic of Ireland's territorial claim to Northern Ireland Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day.] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Republic of Ireland's territorial claim to Northern Ireland Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Rev Dr Ian Paisley:] During the first talks, there was a meeting at Downing Street which was attended by the Leader of the Official Unionist Party — then Mr Molyneaux — the Leader of the Alliance Party, the SDLP Leader and myself. MrHume said to Mr... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
UUP Amendment: Motion on the Republic of Ireland's territorial claim to Northern Ireland Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
NIWC Amendment: Motion on the Republic of Ireland's territorial claim to Northern Ireland Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have been given the task of summing up. This is not easy to do, and I am not going to attempt to recapitulate the most eloquent, most moving things which have been said by all who have spoken this morning. There are some things which... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I certainly deprecate any interruption. Mr Hugh Smyth: Further to the point of order, Mr Chairman. The Chairman: You are interrupting me. Mr Hugh Smyth: It is a point of order. You have allowed two points of order, both of which refer... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: Member reading out motions present on the Order paper Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Whether or not people read it or got it is irrelevant. Let us get on. Ms McWilliams: Someone said last week that a certain individual here tends to run the Forum. Well, I am getting used to that. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Ms McWilliams:] Strictly speaking, the claim, in article 2, that the national territory consists of the whole island of Ireland is not contrary to international law, as Prof Alcock has just pointed out. This is because international law concerns... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: I should first explain that we originally considered moving a slightly different motion — one that referred to articles 2 and 3. However, we settled on the one on the Order Paper, which refers to the "territorial claim." Articles 2... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: I will not spend much time going over the many technical aspects that have been referred to in relation to articles 2 and 3. I just want to reiterate some of them. It is true that articles 2 and 3 were added to the 1937 Constitution... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: Unlike some other Members, I am going to concentrate my remarks on the motion rather than have a go at other Unionist parties. I was particularly annoyed at the remarks of Mr Ian Paisley Jnr who seemed to spend most of his time attacking the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: This debate has certainly been revealing. It has flushed out the views of the WC on articles 2 and 3. It has been even more revealing about Mr Brewster's views. He seems to adopt the attitude that Marie Antoinette did when her head... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The debate stood adjourned. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Agreement to statement from the Chairman of the Health Committee Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Agreed? Fine. Several Members: Yes. Several Members: No. Mr Hugh Smyth: I will be very brief. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Alliance Amendment: Motion on the future governance of Northern Ireland Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: Tabling statements in advance Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: If we are not careful, we will have indigestion before our lunch. [Editor's Note: This essentially acts as a dismissal of the point of order] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I would like to associate myself with what you have said, Mr Chairman. The most alarming thing about Markethill is the fact that the Army's chief security officer in the area made it clear in a statement, which was carried in 'The... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have ruled that this is a business motion. It therefore requires only a simple majority. Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 45; Noes 5; Abstentions 4. Ayes: Anthony Alcock, May Beattie, Thomas Benson, Robert Bolton, Cecil Calvert,... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The session breaks for lunch and then resumes at 2.03 pm] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
REPUBLIC OF IRELAND CONSTITUTION: TERRITORIAL CLAIM TO NORTHERN IRELAND Debate resumed on amendments to motion: This Forum condemns the illegal and immoral territorial claim contained in the Constitution of the Irish Republic and calls for its... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: I support my party's motion; it is the right one. The Loyalist people of Ulster want nothing to do with Dublin's having a say in running the affairs of Northern Ireland. I was taught Unionism at my mother's knee. I can remember my mother and... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
2.45 pm The Chairman: Mr Nesbitt. Mr Nesbitt rose. Mr Stoker: Will the Member give way? [Laughter] Mr Nesbitt: Only if you stop the watch, Mr Chairman. The Chairman: I am sorry; I cannot do that. But I am sure that if you gave him a second or two... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: The matters we have been discussing today go to the very heart of the problem. I am surprised that so many spokesmen for Unionism have been trying to say that articles 2 and 3, and the rest of the Irish Constitution which helps to... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have been told by the Ulster Unionist Party that it has decided not to require a vote on its amendment. Mr Peter Robinson: What does that mean? The Chairman: It means that we go straight to the DUP motion. Mr Peter Robinson: On a... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
BEEF INDUSTRY CRISIS (BSE) Mr David Campbell: Members of the Forum have taken a particular interest in the BSE crisis, recognizing its importance to the province and its largest industry. I am pleased to report that on Wednesday a major breakthrough... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned.] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Members appointed to Standing Committee A Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: Having listened with some interest to the debate, I am amazed that, some people thought that the concept of a bill of rights was a result of the Williamite Revolution. Like Mr Carrick, I am well aware that most of the Scriptures deal with... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: represented as referred to be enacted in Standing Committee A] Friday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Amendment: Addition of Political Affairs remit Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Amendment: Addition of an electoral committee Friday June 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: The people of Northern Ireland need to understand that there are those in the community who pay lip-service to democracy but do not want to see it working. To suggest that the present talks set-up is democratic is utter nonsense.... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
11.00 am The Chairman: Mr Neeson, do you want to say anything? Mr Neeson: I congratulate Dr Paisley. That is the best impression of Gene Fitzpatrick that I have ever seen. The Chairman: This has been a most good-tempered and very valuable discussion.... Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Amendment: Official wording of Electoral committee Thursday June 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
This Forum appoints the following Members to comprise Standing Committee A (Political Affairs): Mr Ken Maginnis, MP, Mr Robert Coulter, Mr Sam Gardiner, Mr Robert Stoker, Mr Nigel Dodds, Mrs Iris Robinson, Mr Jack McKee, Mr Mervyn Carrick, Lord... Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Casey, do you want to speak on this? Mr Casey: Very reluctantly. The Chairman: I am not twisting your arm. Mr Casey: I am always averse to bringing criticism on myself. We do not have any fixed opinion on this motion. If the Forum... Friday February 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on local government working groups Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Inivitation to Lord Dubs Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Lord Dub's attendance is therefore essentially dropped as he does not outright reject the invitiation, but is not attending] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on local government working groups Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: In supporting this motion I will refer to the general lack of democracy in this province — there is, indeed, a negation of democracy in Northern Ireland which undoubtedly worries all. It was Franklin Delano Roosevelt who said “Democracy... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: I too rise to support the motion. It is a very general motion, so, Mr Chairman, you will be pleased to know that I will not be repeating what everybody else has said. Consultation and partnership are building blocks for stable and balanced... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Davis: I notice from the motion that the Government are continuing to exclude elected representatives. Surely that should come as no surprise to Members of the Forum or to people outside because it has been the hallmark of successive Governments... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson: Most of the points that I wanted to make have already been adequately covered, especially by Mr Foster who dealt with them very well. We have heard a lot about local government on the mainland and how a party that is in control holds on to... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum regrets that the Government has continued to exclude elected representatives from working groups set up to consider changes in local government in Northern Ireland. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The forum breaks and resumes at 12] Friday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Employment ACE schemes Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: My party of course supports the motion which is certainly more sensible on paper than it was in Mr Maginnis's enigmatic introduction. Nonetheless, we are prepared to go with it. It is amazing that whenever the Forum wants to get... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Friday June 1997Committee: The Forum
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Letter to the British team who set a new world land-speed record Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: STANDING COMMITTEE A (POLITICAL-AFFAIRS REMIT) Mr Neeson: I should like, Mr Chairman, to refer to your statement about Standing Committee A. As you know from my comments at the Business Committee yesterday, I am very concerned about the fact... Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Employment ACE schemes Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson: I support the Labour Party’s motion, which is very important. I speak as one of the founder members of the Newtownards Community Work-force which was an ACE-scheme provider. At that time four out of the eight board members — it is run as a... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: This morning we have listened, with some interest, to the comments that have been made by the Members who have addressed the motion. Sometimes our sympathy for the unemployed can affect our judgement. I can remember all of the Enterprise... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved. This Forum expresses its concern at the recent freeze on recruitment in the ACE schemes. This freeze imposes a 25% cut-back in allocated placements. This could cause irreparable damage to the ACE schemes and the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed] Friday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Christmas Recess Recommendation 1997 Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
PARADES/ FORUM STANDING COMMITTEE A Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I want to say something arising from your statement, MrChairman. First, I would like to express my party's appreciation of the Parades Committee's work. There are people in the Forum who lecture... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: INTERRUPTION FROM STRANGERS' GALLERY Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I should have thought, Mr Chairman, that in your opening remarks you would refer to the interruption from the Strangers' Gallery at the last meeting of the Forum. Telling party Leaders... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: INTERRUPTION FROM STRANGERS' GALLERY The Chairman: I totally deprecate what occurred last week. Within minutes of our adjourning I invited members of the party concerned to my office. They were most apologetic for what had occurred and gave me... Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: this recommendation is given by the chairman to the Forum and is therefore represented as being referred out] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Christmas Recess Recommendation 1997 Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Members indicated assent. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: STANDING COMMITTEE A (POLITICAL AFFAIRS REMIT) The Chairman: Before we move to the main business of the day I should like to inform the Forum that Standing Committee A, with its new remit of political affairs, met for the first time yesterday... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: The Committee's remit was "To examine the health needs of the community in Northern Ireland with particular reference to health-care administration, acute hospital services, community services and access by the rural community." It seems... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Proposed corrections to the report on the operation of the health service in Northern Ireland Friday September 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: From the minutes of the Forum 17/10/97:] The Chairman: Before we move to the main business of the day I should like to inform the Forum that Standing Committee A, with its new remit of political affairs, met for the first time... Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on parliamentary devolution Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on parliamentary devolution Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: If this is to be accepted as the final report of this Committee, that presupposes that the Committee has come to an end of its work. Will there be another report? The Chairman: I is up to the Forum to say whether the Committee should... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mrs Parkes:] In response to Mr McCrea, the Committee certainly accepts that Magherafelt is the district general hospital and we will emphasize that point to the Department, and to the Minister when we meet him. That is acceptable to Mr McCrea at this... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Before calling Mr Robert John White, I want to remind Members — and I am not referring to any individual — that we ought to avoid repetition. Mr Robert John White: I do not know why you had to say that to me. The Chairman: I made a... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Ian Paisley:] I should like to draw the Members' attention to the fact that the wording in the second line of the first paragraph of the motion differs slightly from that which was originally circulated. Since the formation of the Forum, we have... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Casey: I was surprised, Mr Chairman, to learn that the motion had been changed. Such a small change always leaves suspicions in your mind that what is actually being asked for may be something different from what is down on the paper. The... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: The Women's Coalition will be abstaining in the vote on this debate. Iwould like to take the opportunity to put our views on record. The Women's Coalition welcomes the DUP's interest in the important and substantive issues which, as we all... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumes at 11:40] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: "I come not to praise devolution, but to bury it." This is not a remark of mine, but a quotation from the Member for NorthDown, MrRobertMcCartney, when he spoke in the Ulster Hall. Unfortunately, on that occasion MrMcCartney fell into one of... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hunter: The original devolution that Northern Ireland enjoyed for 51 years was, in fact, a model that was set out to destroy us. When you look closely at the powers granted under the Government of Ireland Act 1920 to both Northern Ireland and... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumes after lunch] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Correction to minutes Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you, Mr Speers. We will correct that and issue revised minutes for 3 October. Mr Gregory Campbell: This is a case of not-so-absent friends. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Nesbitt:] Economic inter-dependence is a central key to transportation. The covering note in the Integrated Transport Policy document talks about being sensitive to economic and social needs and the objective of developing the prosperity of the... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Gregory Campbell:] I rise, like so many before me, to support the motion. We have had a significant debate this morning, and some of it was very useful in terms of what might be a proper form of devolved power in the United Kingdom; the route that... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: I must confess that I did not intend to speak, but having listened to the drivel of Mr Brewster's opening remarks — and I am sorry that he is going out— I could not remain in my seat. Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: I am glad to say that we... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Interval prior to vote Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 2.57 pm and resumed at 3.00 pm. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I called for a three-minute interval prior to putting the Question because there had been one dissident voice — that of the Women's Coalition — but, since they have not appeared, it seems to be a rather wasteful exercise to go through the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: the silence was observed] Friday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on local participation in economic development and social programmes Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hussey: I am very thankful to Mr Paisley for coming into the Chamber and giving me the opportunity to speak. The Ulster Unionist Party certainly agrees with Mr Wilson's remarks about the mistrust that we should have for the Government when they... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: This has been a very worthwhile debate during which Members have expressed their very different views have been put forward by individual speakers. The one suggestion that seems to be acceptable to everyone here is that the Forum, through... Friday September 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum consider this motion on the following day] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on local participation in economic development and social programmes Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Coulter:] There are a number of major points in the motion. First of all, local authorities and local people should have the power to look at economic development in their own area — it is a good few years since they were given the opportunity to... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I want to associate myself with the remarks of Mr Davis — they were very relevant. However, I also want to call a spade a spade and say that Mr David Campbell made little or no effort to address the motion before us. That may have been in... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: It is rather unusual when debating a motion like this to find myself in agreement with some of the sentiments expressed by MrCasey. For the first time in the Forum, my party can recognize some of the things he said as being quite... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: I was very pleased to be part of the group that went to Gallipoli and, representing my home town, laid a wreath on behalf of two regiments, the 5th and 6th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. I identified thenames of 22 people from my area who... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Gibson:] I do not wish to destroy the good harmony that exists in the Education Committee while dealing with the pettiness that is a part of someone's imagination. We have always enjoyed good working relationships, and we have generally kept fairly... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Empey: There are three basic elements here. First of all, the Forum is asked to recognize the merits of local participation in economic development. Since the local authorities have had some powers in this area, it has been, very largely, a success... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Allow Mrs Beattie to make a statement Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Members indicated assent. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Beattie: First, may I say that I was privileged to represent the borough of Carrickfergus at Gallipoli last week and to lay a wreath on its behalf. It was a very moving experience and one I will never forget. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Hussey:] One point has been made about funding, and about the funding which is being received by the Government in the South. Surely, European funding is one source that is not being properly utilized by our Government, in that they substitute the... Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Does the Committee have the Forum's support? Members indicated assent. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for 20 minutes Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The session breaks and then resumes] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumes after lunch] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM: INTERRUPTION FROM STRANGERS' GALLERY The Chairman: At the beginning of last week's meeting Dr Paisley raised the matter of interruptions from the Strangers' Gallery. I undertook to discuss again with the Business Committee how best to deal... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Ruling on Meetings of the Committee overlapping with Stormont Talks Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Is Mr Neeson suggesting that you, Sir, in carrying out your duties are not permitted to have meetings relevant to Members of the Forum? It seems that Mr Neeson wants the IRA to dictate when the Forum and its Committees meet. The... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: I know that it is on the Order Paper, but not all Members — The Chairman: Anyone who wants to repeat what is in an amendment or a motion is quite at liberty to do so. Ms McWilliams: I have often heard DUP Members repeating something... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: Mr Chairman, I support what you said this morning about the Gallipoli campaign, and the tribute you paid to those who had gone to Gallipoli. As one who went to Gallipoli, as a representative of Larne Borough Council, I was proud and honoured... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: I was wondering what I should talk about today, and one of the possibilities was the dismissal of Northern Ireland's soccer-team manager, Bryan Hamilton. But I have decided not to do that. The Chairman: You are absolutely at liberty to... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I want to speak about telecommunication masts but, first of all, may Isay what a great pleasure it was for me to go on the pilgrimage to the Gallipoli battlefields; it was a very humbling experience. Looking around the graves of the young... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Calvert:] I would also like to congratulate the three companies from Lisburn — Barbour Campbell Threads, Bemac Engineering and Unitrunk — on their investment of £16·3 million which should give rise to 107 new jobs in the borough of Lisburn over the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: Mr Chairman, I missed my earlier slot because I was concluding an important committee meeting. I had intended to speak mainly on the subject of the memorial for those who have died in Northern Ireland, but it has been quite well covered,... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: That brings us to the end of our discussions. It has been an interesting day. I wish you all a nice weekend. The meeting was adjourned at 3.51 pm. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Statement on South Tyrone and Ulster Hospitals Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Mr Chairman, in case Dr Paisley did not realize it, you called me. I understand that you intend to break for lunch now and that this was an appropriate time to interrupt the debate. Had I been in the Chamber — I was being interviewed... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
3.15 pm Question put: That the amendment in the name of Ms McWilliams be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 1; Noes 41. Aye: Monica McWilliams. Noes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Robert Bolton, David Brewster, David Browne, Cecil Calvert, David Campbell,... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Main Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 41; Noes 1. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Robert Bolton, David Brewster, David Browne, Cecil Calvert, David Campbell, Mervyn Carrick, James Clarke, Wilson Clyde, Robert Coulter, Ivan Davis, Nigel Dodds,... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
3.30 pm The Chairman: Now I have to decide whether the requirement of Rule 13(1) has been met. I hardly dare express my position but how can I do otherwise in view of these words? "..... the Chairman records his opinion that such an affirmative... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Warning not to stray from the subject Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No response is made] Friday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
Final Report on Long-Term Unemployment by Standing Committee E Friday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
[Editor's Note: The report is presented to the Forum] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Final Report on Long-Term Unemployment by Standing Committee E Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Adopt the Final Long-Term Unemployment Report Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: There are five more Members to speak, and I would like to finish by 11.15 am if possible. Mr Hugh Smyth: Are you trying to tell me something, Mr Chairman? The Chairman: Not in particular. Mr Hugh Smyth: You will be glad to know that I... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Once again unclear if this is Sammy or Cedric Wilson] The Chairman: I think, Mr Wilson, that you were not here when I gave a rather fearsome warning about sticking to the motion. Mr Wilson: Well, I was speaking to the motion. He... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
HOSPITALS: FORUM COMMITTEE VISITS Mr Hugh Smyth: Mr Chairman, as usual, I will be very brief. The Health Committee has wasted no time in responding to Mr Shannon’s request to visit the Ulster Hospital. The Committee visited this hospital on Wednesday,... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: Basically everything has been said. As I said at the very outset, the democratic aspiration is no mere recent phase of human history — it is human history. It is obvious that the present system of local government is not at all acceptable,... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the final report on long-term unemployment prepared by Standing Committee'E' (the Northern Ireland Economy). Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: I too support the motion. I have been a Belfast city councillor for many years. The council gets more to do but has little power to do it. It is only right that the political parties and elected representatives should have a say in the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Casey:] The Labour Party condemns these cuts which were recently announced by the Training and Employment Agency. At the start of the 1997/98 financial year, occupancy of the ACE programme stood at 6,468 places. Reductions in funding have since... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: There are a number of other Members who wished to speak but they are not here, so I shall ask Mr Hugh Casey to wind up. Mr Casey: I would like to extend my appreciation to the Members from all the different parties who have risen in... Friday October 1997Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
Report by the Committee on Electoral Reform Friday October 1997Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
[Editor's Note: This report is presented to the Forum] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the motion, this report is adopted] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Report by the Committee on Electoral Reform Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
11.45 am Mr Peter Robinson: May I join in the tributes being paid to the Chairman, the Vice-Chairman and members of the Committee and also in the commendation of the sterling efforts of the secretarial team led by Gail McKibbin. I have in front of me,... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
EUROPEAN UNION: PEACE AND RECONCILIATION FUND The Chairman: I received a letter from M Jacques Santer yesterday which I am sure Members will be very pleased about. I sent a copy to every Member. It is in response to a letter which I sent to him in... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I rise to support the motion proposed by Mr Ian Paisley. I have always believed in the establishment of a Northern Ireland Parliament. Many would say that it should be similar to the earlier Northern Ireland Parliament at Stormont. There... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: The Forum adopts the report by the Committee on Electoral Reform and forwards it to the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland for consideration within the Government's elections review. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This report is adopted as a result of the motion] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Send the Report on Electoral Reform to the House of Commons Select Committee Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Certainly — they will get on with that today. Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Update on BSE Crisis Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This is then moved on from] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I will be brief. I know that Mr McAlister was not referring to me when he talked about people being at the talks who had not obtained the necessary votes. I am sure he knows that I topped the poll in West Belfast and obtained the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
2.45 pm Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: For the most party, this has been a very agreeable debate. There have, of course, been one or two exceptions. Indeed, attention has already been drawn to the exceptional remarks of Mr Brewster who, unfortunately, is no... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have now reached my usual dilemma in that I have to make a decision under Rule 13(1). One could quibble about the use of the word "Parliament" instead of "Assembly" and about the difference between the perceived meaning and the actual... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM COMMITTEES (MEETINGS) The Chairman: Before moving to the main business today I have one important matter to mention. At the beginning of our meeting on 3 October Mr Neeson questioned the legality of holding Forum Committee meetings on those days... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Agenda Item: Gallipoli wreath Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM COMMITTEES (MEETINGS) Mr Neeson: Thank you, Mr Chairman, for the opportunity to respond to your remarks about Committee meetings. I agree that there is some ambiguity in the legislation, which is very much the case with a lot of legislation.... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum resumes] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The British government had recently produced a draft Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Bill with a number of proposals within it] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Coulter:] May I say before dealing with the motion that it was right and proper for you, Mr Chairman, to mention the sacrifice of so many Ulstermen at Gallipoli. It is also heartening to hear the news today that a commission is being set up to look... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr David Campbell. Will the Member give Mr McAlister something to work on? Mr David Campbell: I was going to reach for my wallet there, Mr Chairman. Many of us recognize the valuable work that has been done by many local groups and the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Public Processions Draft Legislation Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Donaldson: My party welcomes the opportunity to discuss this draft legislation in the Forum. We are gathered here to look at this very important issue, and yet only a percentage of the parties that were elected are present — the SDLP is missing. Mr... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: If I may I will start by referring to Mr Donaldson's comments about the SDLP which, in one sense, I very much agree with. I wish the SDLP were here fighting their corner and speaking on relevant issues like this. They are letting their own... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Dodds: May I apologize for not being here for the beginning of the debate. However, I want to say that I agree with most of what has been said by Members since I entered the Chamber. This one-sided Bill is designed to attack the freedoms and... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have managed to debate this matter in quite good time. If anyone has not been able to speak, I regret that, but we do not want to find that owing to a lack of a quorum we do not get this matter resolved. Question put and agreed... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 23; Noes 0; Abstentions 20. Ayes: Eileen Bell, Thomas Benson, David Brewster, David Campbell, JamesClarke, Robert Coulter, Ivan Davis, Reg Empey, Sam Foster, SamGardiner, Joseph Gaston, John Hunter, Peter King,... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Write to the Minister regarding Whiteabbey Hospital Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: Mr Chairman, when the vote was taken on the Ulster Unionist Party's motion, you declared that it was passed which, of course, is accurate. However, you are then supposed to look into the soul of the nation to determine whether the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] I call on Mr Nesbitt to sum up very briefly. Mr Nesbitt: I will be brief. Mr Poots raised the question of ageism. For the record, I refer to a letter dated 17 October from Mr Loughran, Permanent Secretary of the Department of Economic... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Secretary of State take questions one at a time Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Express wish for more ministerial visits to the Forum Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I will have another go at that. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended, and the Secretary of State was escorted into the Chamber. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Act of Remembrance Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: The subject to which I refer is something that is very topical these days — that is, Northern Ireland and the peace talks. What I will be saying has probably been said often before, but I think it needs to be reiterated. We are, of course,... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Members having stood in their places in silence — The Chairman: "They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
STATEMENT OF SECRETARY OF STATE The Chairman: I am delighted to welcome you, Secretary of State, to the Forum on this our 50th meeting. We have waited for some time for a visit from a Secretary of State. We appreciate the effort that you have made to... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Disappointment in SDLP Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
12.15 pm Mrs I Robinson: I would like to use my five minutes to make a sincere and honest plea to the Prime Minister regarding his Government's plans for the future of Northern Ireland: "Mr Blair, your concern for the future of the children in... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Statement by the Secretary of State (Mowlam) Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Secretary of State, I cannot let you go without thanking you very much indeed on behalf of everybody here. It would have been much easier for you to give a comprehensive response to the questions, but you decided to answer them... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Secretary of State was escorted from the Chamber. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumes] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: It seems that the choice is made to take 1 question at a time] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This is a throwaway comment] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This is accepted] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am going to call Ms Bell next, and I hope that we can avoid disparaging remarks across the Floor. I am quite ready to accept reasonable barracking, but please let us listen to what people have come here to say. Ms Bell: I doubt if... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: On Wednesday I represented the Forum's Agriculture Committee at a meeting with Dr Jack Cunningham, the Agriculture Minister. In view of the impending meetings of the European Standing Veterinary Committee and the Council of Foreign... Friday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Firearms Thursday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is selected by the Business committee for consideration by the Forum meeting on the following day] Thursday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Firearms Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Davis: Coming along to the Forum each Friday it continually reminds me of the latter days of the old Assembly when everything seemed to be doom and gloom. However, when I turned on my television last night and saw Mr Peter Robinson, tennis racket in... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Ms McWilliams:] We welcome the opportunity to debate this subject in the Forum. We are aware that it has been debated and that, indeed, the legislation has been passed at Westminster, but people in Northern Ireland have not had the opportunity to... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCarthy: As the Alliance Party spokesman on disability, I would like to inform the Forum about and give a cautious welcome to the new developments for disabled people which were announced during the week. Unfortunately, very little publicity was... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
DUP Amendment: Motion on Firearms Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr King: I rise to support the amendment proposed by Mr Paisley. I do not think that the Women's Coalition have actually thought through this motion, but in light of what Ms McWilliams said this morning, they should rethink it. They are actually... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: The starting point of this debate must be the incident at Dunblane — that was the cause of the Government's moving in this direction. Everybody in the House would accept that it was a very tragic incident, but I have to agree with Mr... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hussey: I rise to support the amendment and, indeed, to urge the Women's Coalition to drop their proposal and support the amendment. The point has been well made that one of the major problems — particularly with Dunblane — was the vetting process.... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspends for lunch and then resumes] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: On 30 September 1997 we saw the end of what many would describe as the long-established and honourable sport of pistol shooting on the mainland. It was the victim of a weak Conservative Government, desperate to bolster its crumbling... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: Before addressing the motion, there are two things Iwant to say. The Chairman: Will they be relevant to the motion? Rev Trevor Kirkland: They are relevant to points that have been made previously. Surely one is entitled, when... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: That is a hard to act to follow, but I will do my best. Many of those who have hand-guns use them for sport. Think about boxing; think about how two men or two women — they have now taken up the sport — can knock the brains out of each... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: I can see that we have a great deal of support for this motion. The Chairman: I do not think that that ever seems to worry you. Ms McWilliams: Historical precedent. We believe in bringing motions to the Forum, particularly when the... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Main Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum believes that instead of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 passed in Great Britain restricting the use and ownership of legal hand-guns being extended to Northern Ireland the... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Steele: I make no apology for raising the matter which MrsBeattie talked about this morning. It affects all sections of the community and already has the support of members from all the parties in the House. I am again asking the Forum to give its... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I declare the amended motion to be carried by the necessary percentage, but I must also consider my decision under Rule 13(1). While some traditions might not support the resolution, it would seem perverse to strike it down when it is... Friday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Coats Viyella poppy controversy Thursday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is agreed to as business for the Forum to consider on the following day] Thursday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Coats Viyella poppy controversy Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: May I thank Mr Brewster for moving the motion. I intend to confine my remarks to a very brief description of what happened so that people may be fully aware of the facts surrounding the case. On Friday, 24 October, the Poppy... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I rise to this motion with mixed emotions though I am very glad to be seconding it. However, I am saddened that there is a need for this motion at all and that the Alliance Party feel incapable of supporting it. I would like to express... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion to extend the sitting Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: I do not know if Members watched the television series 'Our Friends in the North', about a bizarre and improbable series of events going back over 30-odd years. I thought at the time — and it certainly came home to me this week — that we... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Would Mr Poots like to add anything to that? 12.30 pm Mr Poots: I want to thank Mr Campbell for the work that he has been doing for the Committee in trying to alleviate farmers' problems caused by the BSE crisis. We are concerned that... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Debate suspended. Resolved: That the sitting be extended by five minutes. — [Mr Weir] Debate resumed. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Resolved: This Forum deplores the action of the Coats Viyella Company upon their workers who wore poppies and calls on senior management to cease discrimination, either financial or otherwise, against those employees. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Allow statements on Saracen Ltd, Lurgan Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Members indicated assent. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Allow Paisley and Carrick to add their voices to the discussion Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Members indicated assent. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have the impression that it would be unanimously agreed if somebody were to suggest that a deputation from this body should go to see the Minister about this matter. It was so decided. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Inform Mr Ingram about the deputation from the Forum regarding Saracen ltd situation Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: This morning, in your opening comments, Mr Chairman, you made some very timely remarks about the situation that affected the Forum last week when some Members were absent because they were in Gallipoli to pay their respects to some... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: At the earliest opportunity, Mr Chairman. The Chairman: Yes, at the earliest opportunity. I am sure we all appreciate what has been said. Friday November 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
Response of Committee E to the Developing an Integrated Transport Policy document by DETR Friday November 1997Committee: Standing Committee E
[Editor's Note: The document is sent to the Forum for approval] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Response of Committee E to the Developing an Integrated Transport Policy document by DETR Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Adopt Standing Committee E response Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Stoker: Because Northern Ireland is part of an island, transport plays a vital role in all aspects of life here. Goods are brought in through sea ports and airports, and, more importantly, exports go out the same way. But that is only the start of... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: As a member of the Committee I too want to express my thanks to the Chairman, Vice-Chairman and secretariat for their support in the preparation of this report. Developing an integrated transport policy is a critical matter. The report is... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Snoddy: Planning is a very important matter and Mr Neeson and Mr Hugh Smyth have already mentioned that. Members will remember that the Belfast regional plan was followed very closely by the Northern Ireland regional plan. I note that Lord Dubs has... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Parkes: I would like to take this opportunity to make a few comments on the report. My comments are in relation to transport and health with particular reference to the first recommendation which states "A co-ordinated effort should be made to... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson: I compliment the Committee on its report, so far as it went. I agree with Mr Trimble that it did not go far enough and did not put the emphasis strongly enough. Roads are of vital importance in any transport system that is going to be... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: The recurring theme in this morning's debate has been the road infrastructure, something with which I can identify. It is clear that someone, preferably Committee E, should take a detailed look at the road infrastructure in Northern Ireland... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: May I congratulate the Committee on the exceptional work that they have done in bringing this report to the Forum in such a short time. Transport is a wonderful thing. I have lived all my life in the country, and when I was a boy my father... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Adopt initial response to Developing an Integrated Transport Policy Document Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Mr Chairman, I will be brief — I have to be, as you gave me only five minutes. Mr Ian Paisley sits beside me, and he must have been reading my mind because my speech is on the same subject, having just been to the City Hall this... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Organisation of the day Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the initial response by Standing Committee E to the 'Developing an Integrated Transport Policy' document published by the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions, July 1997. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The response document is therefore adopted] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The forum resumes after lunch] Friday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the Anglo-Irish agreement Thursday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Anglo-Irish agreement Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Trimble:] It is my sad duty to propose this motion relating to the Anglo-Irish Agreement. I say "sad" because, unfortunately, we have, yet again, reached another anniversary without having seen the progress that we all want to see in respect of... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: I listened with interest and intent to Mr Robinson's contribution. He showed that not only had his opposition to the Anglo-Irish Agreement not flagged in any way but that his anger about it had not flagged either. Listening to him one... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: A year ago we debated almost exactly the same motion we are debating today. Now, thankfully, we have much less violence on our streets, and the climate should be conducive to a more constructive process. Sadly, we are left wondering at times... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I rise to support the motion as moved by the Ulster Unionists. We can all recall, only too well, the infamous signing of the Anglo-Irish Agreement. Equally, we can recall the assurances that were given to leading Unionist politicians just... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
2.15 pm Mr Eric Smyth: I would like to support the two previous Members who have spoken on the issue of a memorial to those people who have died — I think it is only right. I have always spoken up for the people who have been badly done by over the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Trimble: Mr Chairman, I agree entirely with what has been said, including your comment that questions should be brief and to the point and should not be disguised speeches or statements. You will have the full support of the Forum in ensuring that... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The parties have given me the names of those whom they would like to put questions to the Secretary of State. I remind Members that there will be no supplementary questions, and I should tell the Secretary of State — if she does not know... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Tom Robinson: Many Members will remember the famous words of Mrs Thatcher, repeated in the Forum on a number of occasions this afternoon, that the Anglo-Irish Agreement would bring peace, stability and reconciliation. No doubt those words will live... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved (resolution subsequently negatived in accordance with Rule 13(1)): This Forum calls on the Government to recognize that the 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement has failed to bring peace, stability and reconciliation... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We now reach my old, familiar little problem. To avoid repetition, I suggest that you read what I said on 15 November last year. I am sorry, but I do not believe that the motion could be said to command the support required under Rule... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Empey: The subject matter that I wish to address this afternoon is what is known as Bloody Sunday, but before I do so, may I say with regard to the matter which has been raised by the last three Members — namely, the announcement today of a... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: the meeting was adjourned] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Send anniversary congratulations to the Queen and Prince Philip Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman has sent the note] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
SARACEN LTD The Chairman: I wrote to Mr Ingram last Friday to tell him how strongly the Forum feels about the Saracen matter, and we have been in touch with his office daily to see what is happening. I hope to be able before close of business today to... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Allow members of the Forum to ask the Moldova and Transdniestria delegation questions Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Parkes: I wish to speak on a subject which is of major concern to me and which I know is of equal concern to other Members. The health service in Northern Ireland has come a very long way since its inception, and its work is recognized across the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: The Secretary of State must know that the last part of her speech will not bring any converts from this side of the House. May I ask her to keep in mind, in all her discussions, that debate and negotiation are entirely different. We... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We will think about this. Maybe it can be done. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The following motion and debate concerns the White Paper 'Opening Up Quangos' written by Dr Clark, 1997.] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: As some Members of the Forum will be aware, I have a very deep interest in maritime heritage in Northern Ireland which I have been trying to develop and promote here for some years. It is such a crucial part of our history: the very fact... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: The Secretary of State knows of my commitment, and that of my party, to the primacy of the talks at Castle Buildings. However, my question relates to reform of the structure of local government. Rumours abound that a consultation process has... Friday November 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: The Forum on this date breaks to allow this committee to have lunch with and then hold a discussion with a delegation from Moldova and Transdniestria from 11:49 - 2:29 pm] Friday November 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: The change in membership reflects Standing Committee A becoming the Political Affairs Committee, rather than the Parades committee] Thursday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Quangos Consultation Paper Thursday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Quangos Consultation Paper Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: As a member of Standing Committee B, which deals with education issues, I simply want to draw the Forum's attention to a consultative document on pre-school education, which is very timely in view of the fact that we have just produced a... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr McKee:] I would like to thank the Somme Association for the efforts that they have made down through the years, particularly in respect of Gallipoli and the Somme. I think the last time I was at the Somme, Mr Chairman, you were there yourself. I... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: I have nothing against the individuals who are chosen to serve on quangos. I do not cast any doubt upon their integrity, their responsibility and their willingness to serve the community with dedication and sincerity. It is the system that... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: This is a useful debate, and it is appropriate to discuss this matter. There is a favourite Northern Ireland pastime known as "quango bashing", but there are questions that need to be asked. What is worth preserving? What needs to be... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Davis: According to this document, people say that quangos are "unelected and unaccountable". That is true. What are the other criticisms? "Quangos are secretive" — true. "The number and power of quangos keep growing" — true. "Quangos are... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Donaldson: I rise to endorse my Colleagues' criticism of quangos. While I welcome the publication of the Government's consultation document on opening up quangos, we must go, as other Members have said, much deeper and wider than that. We must look... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Request information about public bodies ans their members Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: That can only be done with the agreement of everybody in this room. Members indicated assent. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum takes note of the Consultation Paper "Opening up Quangos". The Chairman: I will send Mr Gary Ewing, the author of that document and of a letter to me, the transcript of today's debate, so that he can... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
DELEGATION FROM MOLDOVA AND TRANSDNIESTRIA The Chairman: The Political Affairs Committee and the delegation from Moldova and Transdniestria will be lunching together in a separate room until approximately 12.45 pm. When they are about to start their... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Rev Trevor Kirkland. Rev Trevor Kirkland: I did not know whether I was going to get to speak as the debate was so interesting. The Chairman: I was never going to forget you. Rev Trevor Kirkland: My only response to this debate is to... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: It is not clear whether this transpired or not.] Friday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Community Action Groups Thursday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: I listened with interest to Mr Nesbitt's earlier comments on the ACE scheme and read the report with interest. Would he perhaps comment on whether the Committee thinks that the agency or, indeed, the Department take ACE seriously. Do... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McFarland: The document 'Options for a Labour Government', which was produced some three years ago, recommended that parties here should be asked to present their proposals and should be given six months to agree a solution. The initiative was... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Community Action Groups Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Ian Paisley Jr:] I wish to draw Members' attention to the word "so-called" in the motion. There are very many genuine community and residents' associations and non-governmental organizations which operate widely across the entire community and are... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Junkin: The motion expresses dismay at the recognition accorded by the Secretary of State to these so-called action groups, or concerned residents' groups, or whatever. The recognition has been demonstrated, as described by Mr Paisley, by the... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Amendment of 'so-called' to Republican: Motion on Community Action Groups Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Does the Forum agree with that? Mr McCarthy:It is a pity that that suggestion was not made at the beginning of the meeting. The Chairman: I have done my best. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: First of all, may I apologize for the absence of the Vice-Chairman, MrMcAlister. It has not been possible for him to be with us this morning and, I will try to substitute for him. May I say, on his behalf, a word of thanks to the Chairman... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Amendment of so-called to some: Motion on Community Action Groups Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Name specific groups: Motion on Community Action Groups Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Would that be acceptable? Several Members: No. The Chairman: I am doing my best. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Stoker: I support the motion. I am glad that Mr Paisley has clarified the position by suggesting inclusion of the word "Republican". The Chairman: We did not get the consent of the House to that. The difficulty is that the people who disagreed with... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: Like others, I would like to commend the report. It seems a long time since the Committee embarked on looking at the problem of the long-term unemployed — in fact, this was one of the first issues which the Committee looked at after it was... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: This matter must be clarified. It is sad that the two Members who were so opposed to the amendment that my Colleague suggested, and which I support, did not stay in the Chamber to hear the arguments. Let us hope that they will return.... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Take a recorded vote for the Community Action group motion Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: Yes, Mr Chairman. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: On a further point of order, Mr Chairman. For the record, can you confirm whether or not you negatived this motion under Rule 13(1)? The Chairman: I have ruled affirmatively on the basis that I understand what "so-called" means. It was... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
DELEGATION FROM MOLDOVA AND TRANSDNIESTRIA The Chairman: I want to congratulate Members on the way in which the Moldovan and Transdniestrian discussions were conducted. We brought much credit to the Forum, and I congratulate the Political Affairs... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: On behalf of the Labour Party I want to say that we welcome the report and wish to congratulate the Chairman, the members and the secretariat on its depth. The report contains submissions and comments from many sources and highlights the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: I will not be so hard on the Secretary of State or so discourteous. As the Secretary of State can see, there are only seven female Members here. Does she have any suggestions about how we might increase the number of women in politics or how... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Remove UKUP members from voting list Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: You are absolutely right. I am sorry. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: It appears that as part of the UKUP's boycotting of the talks over Sinn Fein joining the talks, they also resigned from the Forum. This is mentioned in the minutes of 21/11/97, although not here] Friday September 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Unclear if Mr Wilson is Sammy or Cedric Wilson] 11.00 am Mr Clarke: I would like to thank our Chairman, MrNesbitt, and our Vice- chairperson and all the staff for the hard work they put into compiling this report. The creation of... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I welcome the Secretary of State to the Forum. The Forum has on several occasions expressed its concern about the plight of the long-term unemployed — the Secretary of State referred to this in her opening remarks — and about the important... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I shall first refer it to the Business Committee. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: as a result, this motion is referred to the Business committee] Friday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Community Action Groups Thursday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Allow Mr Gibson to make an announcement Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Members indicated assent. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson. I fully support what Mr Gibson has said. The figures that the Minister quoted do not stand up. First, closure of the preparatory sector — and it will close if cuts at this level are made — will mean the provision of alternative primary... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Unclear which Mr Wilson this refers to] Mr Wilson: Yes, I will move on to the issue of long-term unemployment now. Of course there are quite a few Members of the last Government who are now among the long-termed unemployed as well... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Is everyone agreed? Members indicated assent. The Chairman: I am sure that Mr Gibson will include in his letter the point that MrBenson has made, which seems to add strength to the case. Friday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Republic of Ireland Ministers and officials in the Provisional IRA Thursday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum considers this motion on the following day] Thursday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Library Services Thursday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday November 1997Committee: The Forum
11.15 am Mrs Steele: May I start off by thanking the Chairman, the Vice-Chairman, the secretary, MrClements, and the members for all their hard work. The preparation of this report involved the Economy Committee in detailed examinations of long-term... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Adopt the report on electoral reform Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gardiner: I would like to pay tribute to the Chairman of the Committee, MrNeeson, for his efficient and effective leadership. I would also like to thank all the other members of the Committee for their hard work during its deliberation and for the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Republic of Ireland Ministers and officials in the Provisional IRA Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: In raising this issue today, we are moving with the spirit of the times. It is very much in vogue to look at events of the past and to call for inquiries — there has been mention of "bloody Sunday". A number of cases have been raised in which,... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
End to applause from Visitors Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: The response from the Gallery today was sheer impudence. We welcome people to the Forum even if they disagree with us, but what took place today was shameful, demeaning and derogatory. In future, it should be made clear to visitors that... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have an assurance from the ladies that it will not happen again. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Empey: This motion was provoked by events which go back a number of months. It is a result of the campaign that has been waged in respect of what has become known as "bloody Sunday", which took place in Londonderry in 1972. For a considerable period... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Library Services Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Benson:] The public library services in Northern Ireland have been targeted for savage funding reductions in the present financial year. Most library services here have lost around £0.5million each this year out of a total budget for each service... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Write to the Department of Education Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Break until 2:00pm Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: Labour welcomes the report, and we congratulate the Chairman, and Vice-Chairman and the Committee. I think a special word of thanks is due to the administrative staff for what was a fairly onerous job. They did a very good job not only with... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
The meeting was adjourned at 12.31 pm and resumed at 2.02 pm. Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I rise to support this very important motion. As a former teacher, I recognize the crucial role of the Library Service. It provides a service to the pupils directly, but the development of a library in a school itself is equally important.... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I feel privileged to support this motion, and I want to thank MrShannon for all the research that he evidently carried out. A lot of hard work went into producing those figures, but they were very alarming. One of my fears is that this... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We would also like to support this motion. I think one librarian put it very succinctly recently in a 'Belfast Telegraph' article recently when she said "There is a war of attrition in today's libraries." She was writing about the... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I also rise to support the motion. Against the comments we have heard today about how much the libraries are frequented and about how over half the population in Northern Ireland uses them, one wonders at the old story about the Irishman... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum, recognizing the valuable contribution of libraries to the well-being of the community, calls on the Secretary of State to reverse the cut back in finance for library provision. Otherwise a... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned] Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This document returns to the business committee] Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: When the Forum originally discussed the electoral irregularities on 13 June 1997, it was agreed by all that many such irregularities did take place at the recent Parliamentary and local-government elections. The machinery of voting... Friday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Thursday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: Before endorsing this report I would like to associate myself with the numerous comments that have been made right across the Chamber today and congratulated the Committee Chairman, the Vice-Chairman, its members and, of course, the... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: We are people who have the duty, as elected representatives, to represent honestly the communities that elected us. But this Bill is, in fact, denying those very people who are represented in this Chamber the right to some of the basic... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: In the light of recent revelations concerning the clear misuse and waste of public money by 'Positively Belfast', will the Secretary of State take appropriate — indeed, essential — action to ensure that such abuse and waste does not happen... Friday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
Amendment to Electoral Reform Committee Thursday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is agreed to as per the Forum minutes 5/12/97 Thursday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Robert John White: When it gets to this stage a lot has been said, and one could say "Thank goodness for that". I will not go over it again. Mr Donaldson went into a lot of detail in explaining the position that we hold dearly, and if the Secretary... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: Many of the points have been very well addressed by Mr Donaldson and other Members. I am also very concerned about this draft Bill, its implications and how it will actually work. I do not believe that the legislation has addressed all the... Friday October 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This document is now discussed in the Forum] Thursday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: I had not intended to speak — but when you hear fateful remarks like these in the Forum you quite often get a ramble. The Chairman: I am sure we will not get one from you. It must be a short ramble because I do not want this debate to end... Friday October 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This is essentially a rubber stamp decision] Friday December 1997Committee: Standing Committee B
The Implications of Public/ Private Partnerships for Education Services in Northern Ireland (Standing Committee B) Friday December 1997Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editor's Note: This report is sent to the Forum for consideration] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
The Implications of Public/ Private Partnerships for Education Services in Northern Ireland (Standing Committee B) Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I should like to begin by echoing the Committee Chairman's remarks about the Committee Secretary. She deserves a great deal of credit for the speed and accuracy with which the report was produced. Secondly, on behalf of the other members of... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: I too want to thank and congratulate the Chairman, Vice-Chairman and other members of the Committee and, in particular, to express appreciation to the Committee Secretary for her very hard work. She churns out rain forests of paper every... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the report 'The Implications of Public/Private Partnerships for Education Services in Northern Ireland' prepared by Standing Committee B and decides to forward it to the Ministers responsible... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
10.45 am Rev William McCrea: Over the years, successive Governments have been secretly, and then openly, pandering to IRA murderers by seeking to hand out confidence-building measures to Republicans. Early release for IRA prisoners has been suggested.... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs I Robinson: Before putting my question I would like to point out that the Democratic Unionist Party has the largest number of women in local government in Northern Ireland and in the Forum, and, unlike the Ladies in the Women's Coalition, we were... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the motion passing, the report is adopted] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then resumes] Friday December 1997Committee: Standing Committee D
Motion on BSE crisis Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Of course, I will be brief. The Chairman: We always have 10 or 15 seconds spent on that claim. Mr Hugh Smyth: In 1994, when the cease-fire was announced, the then Prime Minister, John Major, promised the people here that whatever money... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr John White: In strand two of the negotiations at Castle Buildings the Irish Government make no apologies for promoting the pan-Nationalist agenda, yet the British Government have stated that they are almost neutral. Do you think that the vast... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Sean Neeson asked only one question, but his party was allocated two. The Secretary of State: Quick, or I will be late for Ballymoney. Mr Neeson: As Chairman of the Forum's Committee on Electoral Reform, I am pleased that the Secretary... Friday November 1997Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: The motion is raised in the Forum] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on BSE crisis Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr John White: Last night the Government announced that they would initiate an inquiry into all aspects of the BSE crisis. I urge them to do so with haste because Ulster farmers are facing their worst-ever crisis. Indeed, many are in danger of... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: It is quite some time since we debated anything to do with agriculture, and I regret that we have had to bring this motion forward today. When I see the inaction of the Government I can only assume that Parliaments in Scotland and Wales and a... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Clyde: Dr Paisley talked about the crisis in the pig industry, and Mr Shannon mentioned the regulations that will do away with pig stalls. As this legislation will not take effect in the other European countries until 2005 or 2006, it should be... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: This is a timely debate, and the Forum is to be commended for providing the platform for it. Members are, of course, aware that other matters were set aside to enable this important subject to be discussed. The fact that the Forum... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put: That the amendment be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 39; Noes 4, Abstention 1. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Thomas Benson, Robert Bolton, DavidBrewster, David Browne, Cecil Calvert, David Campbell, Gregory Campbell, Mervyn Carrick,... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: Sometimes silence speaks louder than words. I agree with most people that this is not a political issue and having listened to some Members who have decided to start slamming other people, I feel ashamed. I ask Members to take time to reflect... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks for Lunch and then resumes] Friday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Hospital Services Thursday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered in the Forum on the following day] Thursday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: We intend to move an amendment. It is being typed at the moment and will be available soon. Mr Ervine: The purpose of the motion is to identify what we believe to be hurried and, therefore, unreasonable proposals for future health... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
DUP amendment: Motion on Hospital Services Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Brewster:] I am going to very brief because the facts are very well-known, and I am sure Mr Gregory Campbell will be able to fill the Forum in with the details. What we all know is that up to 20employees in Coats Viyella, a factory in Londonderry,... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The amendment that has been circulated by the Democratic Unionist Party seems to me to be on lines slightly different from those of the original motion, as modified. Mr Trimble: It might be better to hold off for a while to enable... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McFarland: I thank Members for their indulgence. This will be short but, I hope pithy. Over recent days we have had to listen to a most confused debate on the wearing of the poppy. A surprising number of Nationalist commentators have clearly... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Saracen Ltd Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Trimble: I wish to associate myself entirely with the comments that have been made by Mr Casey. In doing so I am also speaking on behalf of my Colleague MrGardiner, who resides in Lurgan and is very familiar with the circumstances there. The... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum, recognizing the severe depression and despair facing Northern Ireland farmers at this time, calls on Her Majesty's Government to provide urgent assistance to compensate for the effects of the strength... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Yes, but in the meantime we shall proceed with the motion that is before us. Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Stoker: I would like to thank Mr Ervine for accepting our addition to his motion, for people should not lose sight of what is happening in the Belfast area. The motion now deals specifically with that area. Following the McKenna Report, certain... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Agreed motion: Motion on Hospital Services Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Break in the day for delegation from Moldova and Transdniestria Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: It might be difficult, though we could think about it. You can blame me for being over-cautious in not wanting to turn a whole sitting of the Forum over to the delegation. If we had the decision to make again we might think otherwise. We... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: The Labour Party too is concerned about quangos and about how people are appointed to them. We are opposed to a system that appears to make appointments largely on a grace-and-favour basis, and some instances of this, which I am not going to... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This amendment therefore becomes the motion Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The DUP version is therefore de facto dropped as a result of the agreed motion eclipsing it] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I should inform Members, particularly those in the DUP, that it was my suggestion at the Business Committee that this important report be debated. It deals with an issue that needs to be discussed openly and publicly. Mr Dodds referred to... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
FORUM CHAIRMAN The Deputy Chairperson (Mr Gardiner): It will not have escaped Members' notice that Mr JohnGorman is not with us today. Unfortunately, he has had a recurrence of a heart problem and has been undergoing tests. Much as he would like to be... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The document returns to the business committee] Friday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Thursday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
Change to Standing Committee B: Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Thursday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: I did not come here to speak on this motion this morning. The Chairman: I have your name here. If you do not want to speak, that is fine. Mr Nesbitt: No, no. I said that I had not come to speak, but I have heard the three parties on the... Friday November 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Business committee are registered as having agreed to this in the Minutes of the Forum 12/12/97] Thursday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This document is now sent to the Forum as a rubber stamp exercise] Thursday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCarthy: People in those areas are no longer prepared to sit back and do nothing. They have a very positive and valuable contribution to make, and they are doing that. I am quite sure they would not support the DUP's motion. There may well be... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: The DUP have well and truly walked into this one. First of all, they put up the word "so-called", and just now they have tried to remove it. They have been in the Forum long enough to know that they cannot do that. Rev William McCrea:... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Stoker:] Members have highlighted various groups, but I will mention just one — the Lower Ormeau Concerned Community (LOCC). This group is not democratic in its make-up. Its officers were not elected but were selected for their anti-British,... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. Is the motion still in its original form, or has it been amended as suggested by Mr Paisley? The Chairman: In the absence of leave for a change, I am obliged to put to the Forum the motion that is on the... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum agree to the changes the Business committee have already made] Resolved: That the terms of reference agreed on 4 July 1997 for Standing Committee B shall be deleted and replaced by the following: "To examine issues relating... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: A Belfast Telegraph Article is published with the Chairman's response to previous 'scurrilous attack'] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
The Deputy Chairperson: I am sure the Forum endorses those sentiments. We want the best for farmers — particularly those in Northern Ireland. They have had a troublesome time, and we ask the Government to take the situation more seriously and do... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Christmas Recess Debate) Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: I would like to refer to the shenanigans that took place in Downing Street yesterday. One of this morning's papers says "The door opened behind Adams. The door nearly rattled off its hinges when the IRA mortar went in. Adams moved into the... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Quorum not met Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Forum counted, and 22 Members being then present — Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Ms McWilliams:] There is an old adage: politicians fear the empowerment of ordinary people. It somehow represents a threat to their own power and privilege. It seems to me that what we have before us is a motion on community development. Community... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 36; No 1. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Thomas Benson, David Brewster, DavidBrowne, Cecil Calvert, David Campbell, Mervyn Carrick, JamesClarke, Wilson Clyde, Robert Coulter, Reg Empey, SamGardiner, Joseph... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
11.30 am Mr Shannon: My subject is what might be described as country sports for everyone— a rural activity. Members are well aware of the recent hunting Bill in Parliament. That was an attack on liberty. Country sports are among Northern Ireland's —... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: Wednesday of this week was International Human Rights Day. It commemorated the signing on 10 December 1948 of the United National Declaration, which is the foundation of all human rights. It is therefore timely to ask whether the Government... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mrs Parkes: May I join other Members in wishing Mr Gorman a speedy recovery. I want to speak briefly about a couple of matters which come under the heading of social security. Members will be aware of the current review of the social-security system.... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 9 January 1998. Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned] Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Return of the Chairman Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: I preface my remarks by reminding the Forum that the representatives of the Democratic Unionist Party have been actively involved in community development in their various constituencies for many years, and long before the representatives... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This is the end of this discussion] Friday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Chairperson Voting (Rule 14(6)) Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The business committee's decision is sent to the Forum for approval] Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on recent events (political/security situation) Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is bought to the Forum for consideration on the following day] Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Extradition (Republic of Ireland) Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum consider this motion on the following day] Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Chairperson Voting (Rule 14(6)) Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Resolved: In accordance with Rule 14(6) the Forum orders that when voting takes place in Committee the Chairperson shall not be entitled to vote, save that when the votes are equal the Chairperson shall exercise a casting vote. — [The Chairman] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: I have only a few comments to make. Republicans' use of the terms "residents's groups" and "community acton groups" is not their first abuse of the English language. What type of community action are we talking about? I can think of one... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on recent events (political/security situation) Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The recent events under discussion within this motion and its debate are the Loyalist Killings in the Maze Prison, and loyalist prisoners' withdrawal of support for the peace process. See event timeline on CAIN:... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Trimble: First, may I associate myself with the earlier remarks about your recovery, Mr Chairman, and say how pleased we are to see you back. We are appalled at the violence that has occurred over the last few weeks. We condemn utterly and... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: First, may I welcome you back, Mr Chairman. I am glad to see that you are in better health. I agree with Members who have expressed alarm at the recent turn of events and at the re-emergence of violence in Northern Ireland. We call on... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: It appears that during the Christmas break Mr Andrews has been looking around for a suitable venue for the talks to move to. Apparently he had discussions with the Finns and the Austrians. However, the Secretary of State, Dr Mowlam,... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: May I join with others, Mr Chairman, in welcoming you back. All too often when we are talking about the way forward and where we would like to see the Government taking the entire community we forget the background to the present... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Mr Chairman, I am delighted that you are back with us. I believe that Mo Mowlam is right to go into the Maze. All those who want us to achieve peace may have to go the extra mile if we are to do so with dignity. I am beginning to get... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum takes note of the events which have taken place since it last met. Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: Over the last few years we have witnessed the formation of many Republican residents' groups or action groups. They all have one purpose: to thwart the law-abiding activities of those who wish to walk along routes that they have taken for... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspends for lunch and then returns] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Extradition (Republic of Ireland) Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: I support the motion. Bearing in mind the suggested amendment, I think that several points need to be clarified. Many people today have zoomed in on the fact that these residents' and community groups are preventing parades. It is... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
COMMUNITY ACTION" GROUPS: FORUM RESOLUTION (21 NOVEMBER 1997) The Chairman: I now come to a matter which I hope you will understand causes me considerable personal anger. As you have probably gathered, I find the matter of Rule 13(1) difficult at the... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr Ian Paisley Jr:] The Forum meets today under the shadow of a deepening security crisis. Since we adjourned for Christmas the pious and the so-called moderate peacemakers have all failed — as was predicted by members of my party — to make any... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I want to start by congratulating the Member who brought this matter to the attention of the Forum. My party will be supporting the motion. There are several reasons for the Irish Republic's failure to act on extradition matters during the... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: Mr Chairman, I am delighted to see you back so hale and healthy. You do an excellent job with great dignity. The Chairman: Thank you very much. Mr Foster: May I say also that Mr Gardiner was an admirable understudy. The Chairman: I thank... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: I support the motion. There are serious irregularities all over the place these days, and they need to be exposed. The word "extradite" means "hand over to the Government of another country a fugitive offender". Eire has great problems... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
3.00 pm Mr Robert John White: Mr Chairman, I too wish you well and welcome you back. Everything I wanted to say has already been said, and Mr Foster put the tin hat on it. However, there are one or two things that bear repetition. This process... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Send Record of Debates to the countries of the convention against terrorism Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: That is a thought, but I do not know that an immediate answer would be appropriate. Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum deprecates the appalling record of the Irish Republic in relation to extradition and calls on the Government of the Irish Republic to reform its extradition procedures and prevent its jurisdiction from... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Discussion: War memorials Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Refer the ruling under 13(1) to the business committee Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Addition of Adjournment Debates weekly Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is discussed in the Forum on the following day] Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Third-Level Education Funding Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Ambulance Service Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Addition of Adjournment Debates weekly Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] I have therefore agreed to place an Adjournment motion on the Order Paper each week, to be taken as the last item if time permits. As you know, we are supposed to end at 4.00 pm unless it has been resolved to extend the sitting. Any... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Third-Level Education Funding Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: That is a perfectly reasonable point. I will bring the matter up at the Business Committee next week. Mr Trimble: Further to that point of order, Mr Chairman. I agree with MrRobinson. There is no provision in our Rules for changing a... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
WAR MEMORIALS Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I should like to associate myself with the remarks that you, MrChairman, made at the beginning of this sitting. It is a sad reflection on the politics of the South of Ireland that gallant men from that part of the... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: Mr Chairman, I too should like to be associated with your remarks about Flanders and the Somme. I was proud and privileged to take part in the ceremony that you described so admirably. I have been connected with the Somme Association for a... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Statement on evidence given by Chief Electoral Officer Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I support the motion. Merit should be the principle behind third-level education — indeed, behind education generally — and it is the spirit we should be seeking to foster in society. There should be equality of opportunity for every... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: MrMcMichael said that the Government should be encouraged to wait a year before proceeding with these proposals. Members may wish to address that point. Ms Bell: We support the motion in broad terms as we are very concerned about tuition... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: I support the comments of Mr Neeson. Anyone watching on video the performance put on by Mr Bradley at the Select Committee could describe this only as a litany of incompetence. The Electoral Reform Committee is delighted that the Minister... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: I too agree with Mr Neeson's remarks. Having seen the video recording of Mr Bradley's evidence to the Select Committee, I should like to draw attention to some of his comments. In answer to a question from the Chairman he said "I... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
DUP Amendment: Motion on Third-Level Education Funding Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: Labour supports the motion. We too are opposed to the imposition of tuition fees. Over the past 10 years higher-education funding has been seriously eroded. While the number of students in the United Kingdom has almost doubled to 1·5... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: Though I support the general thrust of the motion, I cannot support all its terms. Finance is the key problem for tertiary education — indeed, for all levels of education and for many other issues. We need to look at areas where savings... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: Since we support the broad principles of the motion we will not divide the Forum. Main Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum 1. opposes all forms of tuition and top-up fees for third-level education; 2. calls for... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The session breaks and then resumes] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: The House of Commons Select Committee on Northern Ireland Affairs decided to take evidence from Mr Bradley. Forum Members above all others will know that I raised the matter with the Select Committee because of Mr Bradley's refusal... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Ambulance Service Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Casey:] First, I would like to reassure Members of the Forum's Health Committee that this motion is neither an attempt to undermine their work nor any reflection on the Committee. I hope that the debate will help when it comes to making... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: The Forum deplores the current financial crisis and recent violent attacks which have beset the Northern Ireland Ambulance Service and calls on the Government to address the situation immediately, enabling the... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I do not want to pre-empt something which may be brought before the Forum in a few weeks' time, but Members should be aware of the Government's proposals for preparatory schools. The Education Committee heard yesterday from the trade unions... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: First, I want to confirm that Mr Weir was correct in what he said about the submissions yesterday morning from the preparatory schools. That is why an amendment was moved to the motion today. I sometimes cannot understand the ambiguity of... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 23 January 1998. Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Write to the Minister regarding strong opposition to preparatory school funding changes Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I am very reluctant to speak on this matter. We in Labour regret the decision of the Ulster Unionist Party to bring forward this motion, especially at a time when we are engaged in a process to put the past behind us and give all the people... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Please do not do that again. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Surely the Member concerned should be backing your ruling, Mr Chairman, and not trying to stir up people in the Gallery. In any other Assembly, visitors who interrupted would be removed.... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 38; No 1. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Thomas Benson, Robert Bolton, Cecil Calvert, Mervyn Carrick, James Clarke, Wilson Clyde, Robert Coulter, Ivan Davis, Reg Empey, Sam Foster, Sam Gardiner, Joseph... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Clarification of Quorum Rules Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is then mentioned in the Forum] Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Clarification of Quorum Rules Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: It appears that this is a case of the Chairperson explaining the rule to the Forum rather than explicit adoption of this position] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This document returns to the Business committee as they make changes to it] Friday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is agreed to by the Business Committee, and sent to the Forum for ratification] Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum are then alerted to the Business Committee changes on the following day] Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr King:] The purpose of this motion is to cast light on a somewhat forgotten, yet vital, part of recent Irish history. Sinn Fein/IRA have bombed their way to the negotiating table with the full assistance of the Irish Government, who have... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Standing Committees: designations, remits and terms of reference Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum are essentially ratifying the document as already changed by the Business Committee] Resolved: That the existing terms of reference for the Committee on Electoral Reform be deleted and replaced by the following: "(a) to... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: This matter needs to be thoroughly investigated. Republicans spew out plenty of false propaganda and try to place the blame for what has happened here on the shoulders of the majority, the innocent Unionist community in the North of... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
11.30 am Mr Gibson: I support the motion, though with a certain amount of scepticism. Ijudge my neighbour by his actions, and I have to say that the unfriendly, unco-operative actions of our immediate neighbour have been anything but neighbourly. The... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: It has been a great privilege to serve under the Chairman and the Vice-Chairman of the Committee. There is a good relationship between all the members, and the staff have been helpful in every way. It is only right that we should... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: I will not be able to give as full an account of the arms trial as others have given, but I must congratulate Mr Weir on the detail that he went into and the information he provided. I would certainly welcome an inquiry and an apology, but... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: If you wanted one headline to sum up the motion before us today, it would probably read something along the lines of "Where have all the books gone?" That is the question that everyone will be asking in the next year. The Department of... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
Forum Website Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I rise to support the motion. I do not intend to say very much because nearly everything has been said. It is ironic as well as regrettable that these cuts that are being imposed will lead to the contraction of library services, especially... Friday November 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The website has already been created, and no comments are made] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's note: The statement is made and no responses are given] Friday January 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
Report: The Sourcing in Northern Ireland of Agricultural Produce by National Supermarkets and Retailers (Standing Committee D) Friday January 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: The report is considered by the Forum for adoption] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Report: The Sourcing in Northern Ireland of Agricultural Produce by National Supermarkets and Retailers (Standing Committee D) Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr David Campbell:] The influx into Northern Ireland over the past few years of national retailers such as Sainsbury's, Tesco and Safeway has brought about a retailing revolution. How these supermarkets source their products affects everyone, though... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I too congratulate Mr David Campbell and his Committee for producing a very thorough and comprehensive report. I also thank Mr Murray Barnes and his staff for their assistance. Labour welcomes this report. The arrival of three of the largest... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Non-attendance of Committee Members Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] Mr John Junkin will speak next. I am sure he turned up all the time. Mr Junkin: I attended as my business allowed, which was most of the time. The subject of this report is near to everyone's heart, and that is especially true of men... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Adoption and forwarding of Committee D's Report Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Adopt the Implications of Public/Private Partnerships for Education Services report Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: Some people might ask why the Committee got involved in a report which deals with supermarkets and their buying policies. Northern Ireland's economy is based largely on agriculture and is therefore very dependent on it, so it is very... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: First of all, may I take this opportunity to say a very sincere word of thanks to our Secretary who, under increasing demands from Committee members for information or whatever, never ceased to amaze us with his ability to produce it quickly... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Amended adoption and forwarding of the report Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The original motion is now eclipsed] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum adopts the report 'The Sourcing in Northern Ireland of Agricultural Produce by National Supermarkets and Retailers' prepared by Standing Committee D (Agriculture and Fisheries Issues)... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the procedural motion being passed, this report is adopted] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 10 minutes Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then resumes] Friday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Police (Northern Ireland) Bill Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: As other Members have said, the Committee is not under the illusion that public/private partnerships (PPPs) are a panacea for the drastic under-funding of education. This applies to both capital and revenue expenditure. In its submission,... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Motion on Hospital Services Friday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is debated in the Forum on the following day] Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Police (Northern Ireland) Bill Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The contents of the Police (Northern Ireland) Bill, discussed in this debate can be found here: https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/hmso/pnia98.htm] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Rev Dr Ian Paisley:] The Government have cobbled together this Police Bill to try to mask political changes to the police behind the reform of the police complaints system. No one should be in any doubt whatsoever about this highly charged political... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Ken Maginnis: The Police (Northern Ireland) Bill has 77 clauses and six schedules. It is a massive document, not so much hastily cobbled together as very carefully and assiduously drafted over a considerable period by people who are not interested... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then resumes] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: At the outset I have to declare an interest in that I am a member of the Police Authority. However, I would like to make it clear that, although I share some of their concerns, I am speaking here as a member of Labour and not as a... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: Anyone who has studied the provisions in the Police (Northern Ireland) Bill will be alarmed at the devious way in which political changes are to be made to policing in Northern Ireland. We are all concerned that, from a security... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I will try to be brief; I will also try to stick to the script unlike MrIan Paisley Jnr who spent what seemed like five minutes emphasizing his hatred for the small Unionist parties and urging that those very people who are trying to... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We are pleased to note the Police Bill and the various issues that it raises, in particular the four strands: first of all, the responsibilities of the Chief Constable, the Police Authority and the Secretary of State; secondly, an... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: The least appropriate reaction to the Police Bill should be one of surprise. Mr Empey has already outlined the background to this Bill which lay with the Civil Service and the last Government. In the debate on the Queen's Speech, Mo Mowlam... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: This motion is very timely. It brings us to the heart of something that touches us all: law and order. However, I must question the motives behind introducing this Bill just now. Has it been introduced merely to appease the Republican... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr David Campbell:] Standing Committee D is grateful to the Business Committee for granting time for this emergency debate and to the Democratic Unionist Party for allowing its motion to he deferred. I intend to refer to the situation in general and... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum takes note of the Police (Northern Ireland) Bill. Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 30 January 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.58 pm. Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I support the motion. Every sector of the agriculture industry — not just beef — is in a state of tremendous crisis. As the Committee Chairman has said, farm incomes have decreased by 37% and are still falling. Such a situation in... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I welcome the opportunity to speak in this very important debate. Though a farmer, I speak with no bias when I say that the farming industry is facing one of its most serious crises. Farmers' backs are to the wall, especially as this is the... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I do not know which of the six versions to speak on! First, I would like to congratulate Mr Ervine on moving the motion. I recognize that it looks very much like a Belfast motion and understand the concern of those from rural areas,... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: The Progressive Unionist Party's text sets out three points. I suppose it is a minor set-back that I cannot call for the deletion of "articles" 2 and 3! That would have been interesting. [Interruption] It was meant as humour. We... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The minutes show this as the motion being withdrawn, but it is here represented as the original motion having already been amended] Motion in the name of Mr Irvine, by leave, withdrawn. Resolved: This Forum, recognizing the need... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Whilst it is not entirely certain that this is the motion under discussion, it seems very likely] FORUM: 'BELFAST TELEGRAPH' ARTICLE Mr David Campbell: I share your sentiments, Sir, about the Chairman, and I want to place on record... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: the silence ends with:] The Chairman: We have been working out how many Forum meetings are left. I think that it is 16. Let us hope that they will be very effective. Friday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Recommendation to break for the Trade Union Rally Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This recommendation is given to the Forum] Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Recommendation to break for the Trade Union Rally Friday January 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
Response of Committee B on Government's consultation paper on pre-school education Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Statement on Agriculture Committee's Meeting with the PM Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Browne: I wish to speak about road safety in North Belfast and the discrimination that is perceived by the Unionist community, particularly in North Queen Street. Mr Dodds and Mr Hugh Smyth, who represent North Belfast and West Belfast respectively,... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: The Labour Party wishes to join in the expression of good wishes to the Chairman. We regret that he cannot be here for today's debate and to share in the festivities later. While conducting research into the state of the Northern Ireland... Friday December 1997Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editor's Note: The response is given to the Forum for consideration] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Response of Committee B on Government's consultation paper on pre-school education Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion to adopt Committee B's response to the Government consultation paper on pre-school education Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I have great pleasure in supporting the motion proposed by the Chairman of the Education Committee and in paying tribute to him for all the work that he put into this response. I also endorse his tribute to Liz Benson and Stuart McDougall for... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: Let us not prostrate ourselves before this perceived panacea for the ills of society. Let us not swallow, hook, line and sinker, the propaganda of vested interests. The things that the report welcomes occupy half a page; matters of... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum adopts the response to the Government's consultation paper on pre-school education prepared by Standing Committee B and asks the Chairman to forward it to Mr Tony Worthington with the request that... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
ev William McCrea: My Colleagues and I would like to express our good wishes to Mr Gorman. We trust that he will make a speedy recovery and that the Lord will bless him with health and strength and bring him back among us. It is the feeling of us all... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: May I start by expressing my best wishes to the Chairman. I want to speak about the disgraceful meeting at Downing Street yesterday. Here Ifind myself at one with Rev William McCrea. But we should not be surprised at the attitude of the... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As the result of the adoption of the motion, this document is adopted] Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 20 minutes Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: First, my Colleagues and I want to convey our best wishes to the Chairman, Mr Gorman. We look forward to his full return to health and activity. If you are speaking to him, Sir, perhaps you will convey that message. The Deputy... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am very touched by that. Mr Peter Robinson: May I join with my Colleague in those remarks. We are delighted to see you back and looking as fresh and healthy as you did prior to the recess. The Chairman: Thank you all very much.... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum meeting suspends and the resumes] Friday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the Northern Ireland Community Thursday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Northern Ireland Community Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Weir:] Many normal societies would regard this motion as being so superfluous as to be irrelevant. It is amazing that, despite the obvious fact that the people of Northern Ireland are a self-contained community, Government policies seem to be... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: I congratulate Mr Weir on his introduction of this very important motion, which I am happy to support. Any historian will tell you that the question of national identity has bedevilled Ireland for centuries. Indeed, the events that... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum believes that there is, and can only be, one community in Northern Ireland and calls on the Government to treat all the people of Northern Ireland as equals. Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We are dancing on the head of a pin — an expression that is used in Parliament occasionally. We are breaking for lunch now, and those who wish to go to the rally are perfectly entitled to do so. The meeting was suspended at 11.56 am and... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: May I join others in wishing the Chairman, Mr Gorman, a speedy recovery. I want to look at the position of the Forum. As Chairman of the Health Committee, Ihave written to the Social Democratic and Labour Party about health issues but... Friday December 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: As per the Forum minutes 9/1/98, this is agreed to by the Business committee on this date: The Chairman: The first item of business arises from an agreement at yesterday's Business Committee that Committee Chairpersons should act... Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman considers repealing the decision due to Rule 13(1) but decides not to] The Chairman: I gave warning to Mr Paisley and the DUP yesterday — indeed, to all who were present at the Business Committee — that I would require to... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Adjournment Debate Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: There has been a lot of talk today about peace. You, Mr Chairman, mentioned it in declaring that the Forum would rise for two hours to allow people to attend the peace rally. The Chairman: Let me correct you. I gave Members an opportunity to... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I would like to support all that my Colleague Mr Poots has said about the economy. This week the Minister announced a new review of economic development strategy. We in the Economy Committee welcome that, but we fear that it may be too... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr King: I want to focus the attention of the Forum on a piece of good news about employment in South Antrim. Tesco is to open a depot in Antrim town. It is hoped that over 200 jobs will be created. We must welcome this and the knock-on effects on the... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 6 February 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.35 pm. Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Dodds: First, may I join others in wishing Mr Gorman a speedy recovery. I agree wholeheartedly with Mr Browne's comments about North Belfast. I also agree with what Mr Weir had to say about concessions to the IRA, but, as a BBC commentator asked... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday February 1998Committee: Standing Committee E
Report on the European Union Special Support Programme for Peace and Reconciliation (Standing Committee E) Friday February 1998Committee: Standing Committee E
[Editor's Note: The report is sent to the Forum for consideration] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Report on the European Union Special Support Programme for Peace and Reconciliation (Standing Committee E) Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Adopt report on European Union Special Support Programme for Peace and Reconciliation Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr McAlister:] I want to begin by thanking the Vice-Chairman and other members of the Committee and the Committee Clerk, Mr Bill Clements, for their sterling work in the preparation of this report. As the new Chairman of the Committee, I also wish to... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mrs Steele: I support everything that the Chairman of the Economy Committee has just said. He dealt with all the main points and with any queries and worries that we might have. In supporting the report, I want to thank Mr McAlister and his... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Dodds: The timing of the Committee's investigation and report and of this debate is extremely good. As has been said, we are at the point of the mid-term evaluation of this programme, and several reports have been produced. Other Members have... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: Labour too welcomes the report and congratulates the Committee's Chairman and other members. It would be wrong to decry any injection of money into Northern Ireland, irrespective of where it comes from. All funds are life-blood to those... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Bell: Like other Members, I welcome the report as a balanced and objective view of this initiative from the European Commission. There has been much confusion and rumour. One has heard ill-informed stories about the programme. These have reduced its... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: This has been a very useful debate. One of the important things about the peace and reconciliation fund is that it has sharpened awareness of Europe. As a member of the Alliance Party, which is very much in favour of the European ideal, I... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Invite European Commissioner to address the Forum Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Write to European Community to express thanks Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Bell: It will come as no surprise to Members that I will not be using my time to make political comments. Others are more able to do that. I want to make a few general comments about social and economic issues. The Forum has had many debates about... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: I want to speak about paragraph 3 of the motion. This province is proud of its high standard of education at all levels, but let us look at what the Labour Government are doing. They are moving away from their original objective, which was... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I have no problem with that if it is the wish of the Forum. Indeed, I hope that the report and the record of our comments today will end up in the corridors of power. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I have no problem with that if it is the wish of the Forum. Indeed, I hope that the report and the record of our comments today will end up in the corridors of power. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I am sorry that Mr Casey has gone, for I wanted to put him right on something. This is not a Forum for peace and reconciliation; it is the Forum for Political Dialogue. If, during the course of our debates, we talk about peace and... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the report on the European Union Special Support Programme for Peace and Reconciliation prepared by Standing Committee E (The Northern Ireland Economy). Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the passing of the motion to adopt the report, the report is adopted] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspends and then resumes] Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on 'Shaping our Future' Consultation Document Thursday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: I have been unable to find the 'Shaping our Future' consultation document. It appears to be a forerunner to the Regional Strategic Framework for Northern Ireland, ultimately published 8/12/98, available online.] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: Shaping the future is very important, but it is difficult when there is instability. Somebody once said "The past is gone, the present is full of confusion, and the future scares the hell out of me." I am sure that we all agree. Perhaps the... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: We too welcome this document, which is extremely important for our future. These things used to be called regional plans; 'Shaping our Future' is a much better title. The document lists four goals (not easy to find but fairly... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I take a different view on this issue. The document talks about shaping the future. Somebody asked earlier "Who is shaping whose future?" Ulster will not have a future, except we have two things — stability and security. I think it... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum notes the Consultation Document 'Shaping Our Future'. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: I have recently heard about the proposed closure of the two remaining state residential homes in the Armagh area — Lisnally House in Armagh and Annvale House in Keady. Late on Tuesday afternoon I was led to believe that this matter was to... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
11.45 am Question put: That the amendment be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 16; Noes 26. Ayes: May Beattie, Robert Bolton, Cecil Calvert, Mervyn Carrick, WilsonClyde, Oliver Gibson, Trevor Kirkland, Jack McKee, MauriceMorrow, Ian Paisley Jnr, Joan... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: I want to deal with the sleight of hand that is being attempted by some in relation to the talks process and the present negotiations. Some people are saying that the two Governments' new paper on strands two and three is a dreadful... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 13 February 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.59 pm. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The statement is made and no responses are given] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum is called to order] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Parkes to deputise for Chairman next week Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for a press conference after the debate on the report on men's health Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Stewart: Along with other Members, I wish Mr Gorman a speedy recovery. The issue that I want to talk about today is more funding for sports in Northern Ireland, particularly for the North West 200 and the Northern Ireland Milk Cup competition. The... Friday December 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: May I use the Chairman's prerogative to add to Mr Empey's comments about the relationship between business and wealth creation. The Institute of Directors, which I ran before coming to the Forum, operated a scheme known as shadowing.... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Statement on Ambulance Service Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: It is very tempting for democratic politicians to react to each other. After all, politicking is our businesses. Politicians may be tempted to accuse other parties of being unwise or of failing to agree about certain matters. There have... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Bell: Mr Chairman, I too would like to welcome you back. At the same time Ihave to say that Mr Gardiner did a very good job. I was involved in the peace movement and was known as a peace activist for a number of years when the troubles were very... Friday January 1998Committee: Standing Committee C
Men's Health in Northern Ireland: An Examination by Standing Committee C Monday February 1998Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editor's Note: This report is considered by the Forum] Monday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Men's Health in Northern Ireland: An Examination by Standing Committee C Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Adopt report on Men's Health Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mrs Parkes: May I begin by thanking the Committee's Chairman and other members for their hard work and commitment. I wish also to express the Committee's appreciation to all those who gave evidence, whether written or oral. Without them we could not... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: I want to take a slightly more balanced approach than Mrs Parkes and MsBell. Actually I can see myself in both of the poems that were quoted. I cannot condemn men for being wimps, as I too can be a wimp. We are all very good at play-acting... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: On behalf of the Labour Party, I congratulate Mr Hugh Smyth and his Committee on their very fine and comprehensive report. It is obvious that the Committee heard a lot of evidence from people who deal with men's ailments and therefore know... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I agree entirely. I wrote for the 'Belfast Telegraph' a piece criticizing the scant attention the media have given to the Forum's very valuable work. Ihave had meetings with the editors of two of the provincial papers, and a third has... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr McMichael:] Following the release last year of the report of the National Committee of Inquiry into Higher Education — the Dearing Report — the Government announced their intention to replace the existing student support system with loans and to... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum adopts the report on men's health in Northern Ireland prepared by Standing Committee C (Health Issues) on 9 February 1998 and decides to forward it to the Minister for Public Health with the... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: as a result of the adoption of the motion to accept the report, this report is accepted] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 20 minutes Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and resumes] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: I discussed an amendment with the Chairman of the Education Committee with a view to achieving wider consensus. The DUP are proposing an alternative motion, I cannot accept it. The Chairman: That must be the situation. Mr Peter... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I call on the Chairman of the Health Committee, Mr Hugh Smyth. Mr Hugh Smyth: I can understand Mr Casey's decision to go ahead with the motion, but yesterday the Health Committee appealed to the Labour member of the Committee to have it... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
EDUCATION: PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS Mr Gibson: I should like, before proposing the motion on the draft Order, to inform Members that last Tuesday the Education Committee had a meeting with the Minister responsible for education to discuss the... Friday February 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
Response of Committee B to the draft Education (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: We welcome this opportunity to discuss education once again. Mr Empey's comments about the investment of all this money should be an incentive for me to go back to university and get another degree. At the end I might own another... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McCarthy: The matter I want to raise is somewhat different. I want to talk about the environment, and I hope that the Minister responsible and the planning hierarchy will listen to what I am about to say. The first point concerns the inhabitants of... Friday January 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editor's Note: This response is sent to the Forum] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Response of Committee B to the draft Education (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The draft legislation under discussion here is the Education (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 which can be found in its finalised version here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisi/1998/1759/contents/made] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: The Forum was established to deal with political dialogue. Indeed, the last time I spoke here I referred to those who were engaging in political dialogue — and I was thinking particularly of the Secretary of State then — with those who... Friday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Amendment to Electoral Reform terms of reference Thursday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Adopt and forward the response to the draft Education (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: May I begin by thanking the Chairman for his kind remarks. I agree with Mr Gibson that the Committee's meeting with Tony Worthington was very productive. We were able to put across the important points that arise from our response to the... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum adopts the response to the Draft Education (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 prepared by Standing Committee B and decides to forward it to the relevant Minister for serious consideration. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the passing of the previous motion, the response is adopted] Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Government funding for sport in Northern Ireland Thursday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Government funding for sport in Northern Ireland Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Peter Robinson:] May I first welcome the Chairman of the Sports Council, Mr Don Allen, and his chief executive, Mr Eamon McCartan, who are in the Chamber. Those who know anything about sport in Northern Ireland will be aware of the valuable... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: In the short time that is available to me I want to offer the Ulster Unionist Party some advice, though I can never be sure that they will listen — I am even less sure that they will take the advice that I offer them. 3.00 pm The... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Peter Robinson:] May I first welcome the Chairman of the Sports Council, Mr Don Allen, and his chief executive, Mr Eamon McCartan, who are in the Chamber. Those who know anything about sport in Northern Ireland will be aware of the valuable... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Statement on meetings regarding the BSE crisis Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Stewart: First, I want to congratulate Mr DavidCampbell, the Chairman of the Agriculture Committee, as well as members of my own party. Sadly, some of the people elected to serve on this Committee made no input. They did not even take the time to... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
12.00 Mr David Campbell: There is little else to be said. Members have heard the evidence that enabled us to produce this report. It is now up to all of us to ensure that its recommendations are carried out. The Committee will be monitoring it, and we... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Gibson:] Before dealing with the subject of the motion, I want to inform the Forum that next Tuesday a delegation from the Education Committee will meet the Minister, Tony Worthington, to discuss our report of 5 December on public/private finance... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Peter Robinson:] This is the first time the Forum has had a full-blown debate on sports issues. Some might say "Not before time." I too must declare an interest as a member of the Northern Ireland Sports Council. Indeed, Mr Allen and I are its two... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum session breaks and then resumes] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: First, I am very sorry to hear that some members of the Agriculture Committee have not been attending its meetings — that is disgraceful. This is a very important Committee, and it is sitting at a time when the agriculture industry in... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I am very pleased that we are debating this subject and grateful to MrRobinson for proposing the motion. I too served on what was known as the Billy Bingham Committee. It tried to establish facilities for the development of sporting... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I too would like to congratulate Mr Peter Robinson for bringing this motion to the Forum. It is a motion which, I am sure, all parties support. I would like to congratulate the Sports Council for Northern Ireland on the tremendous job... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
2.45 pm Mr Jim Rodgers: I support this very important motion. Part of the problem is that we do not have a local administration in Northern Ireland, and while the present team of Northern Ireland Ministers may be interested in sport themselves, it... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum is deeply concerned at the serious reduction in Government funding for sport in Northern Ireland. Friday February 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
Motion to write to Education minister regarding preparatory department cuts Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: I want to speak about the current political /security situation. It is ironic that those who complained and pontificated in the past, saying that they were not into the politics of condemnation, have, over the past couple of weeks,... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
2.15 pm Mr Poots: Members will have seen the recent Coopers and Lybrand report which warned that Northern Ireland could very soon enter a period of recession. The only person who does not seem to be aware of this is the Minister for the economy, Mr... Friday January 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editor's Note: The motion is considered by the Forum] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion to write to Education minister regarding preparatory department cuts Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Gibson:] I made a short statement to the Forum on 28 November 1997, in which I indicated that the Minister was proposing to reduce the level of funding made to preparatory schools. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: Before I begin I want to point out that the Women's Coalition does have a representative on this Committee. That member told the Committee about her reservations and put forward the Coalition's position on the matter. She was not treated... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: I would like to, if I may, intrude briefly on the area of responsibility of my good friend from West Tyrone. When the Minister for Education, Tony Worthington, came into the job he set about looking at every head of expenditure to... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Statement on the Northern Ireland Economy Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: It is not entirely clear whether the Women's coalition's changes were included eventually.] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum is content that the Chairman of Standing Committee B write to Mr Worthington urging him not to proceed with further reductions in grant-aid to preparatory departments and to restore their funding to at... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 20 February 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.59 pm. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Call to order Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
Priority for Committee Reports Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I support the motion as it is in line with the policy of my party. We have declared within the talks process that we are not interested in two communities having parity of esteem, that we want one community where everybody is equal. When I... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Hugh Smyth:] No doubt many male Members will want to speak about the state of men's health, so, as ever, I shall be brief. First, I should like to thank you, Mr Chairman, for facilitating my Committee today with its business, including the... Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is decided upon by the Business committee according to Forum minutes 20/2/98] Thursday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is referred to the Committee Chairmen and announced in the Forum] Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Priority for Committee Reports Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Junkin: I fear that my speech may be somewhat duller than Mr Casey's. Northern Ireland people always say that they would rather live here than anywhere else, though sometimes they go abroad on holiday or to see farming in New Zealand or wildlife in... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This functions as the Forum being made aware rather than making a choice] Friday February 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
Response of Committee D to the consultative paper on Fisheries Department's proposals Friday February 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: The Document is considered by the Forum] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Response of Committee D to the consultative paper on Fisheries Department's proposals Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Adopt committee D's response to the fishing quota consultative paper Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the response by Standing Committee D to the consultative paper on Fisheries Departments' proposals for the possible operation of fixed quota allocations for domestic waters (areas IV, VI and VII). Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the motion to adopt it being adopted, this document is adopted.] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: I too support the motion. There seems to be a sociological perspective here (that is, if you agree with sociologists — and I do not know anyone who always does). I am not convinced that Northern Ireland folk are being treated as equals. The... Friday January 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Location of the Forum Thursday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The Forum considers this on the following day] Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Location of the Forum Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: The Ulster Unionist Party supports the motion. In so doing we are in no way criticizing the staff at Interpoint. And I presume that this is the feeling of Mr Paisley too. We have been very well served. The principal reason for supporting the... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: First, Madam, may I welcome you to the Chair. You are the first woman to preside at a meeting of the Forum, and it is fortunate that you are one of the sensible female Members and not one of the whingers whom we often see on... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
11.15 am Lord Alderdice: May I extend to you, Madam, the good wishes of my Colleagues and myself. It would be understandable if you had some difficulty exerting discipline on MrPeter Robinson, but I have no doubt that MrsRobinson would be able to help... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 15 minutes Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then resumes] Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Social Services Thursday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is considered by the Forum on the following day] Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Social Services Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
TRADE UNION RALLY The Chairman: I suggest that we break until two o'clock to enable those who wish to do so to attend the rally. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I was amazed to hear this morning's announcement that the Forum would suspend business so that... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Consider the distribution of the Forum's work and how to gain media interest Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I was at Harvard University when a causal relationship between cigarette smoking and cancer became known, and I invited a leading doctor to address the Harvard Business School — 160 people. At that time I was a heavy smoker, but when Isaw... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: I support this very timely motion. All Members should be concerned about this matter and should try to use their influence as public representatives to forestall any attempt by Her Majesty's Government to levy charges on the most vulnerable... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Deputy Chairperson (Mrs Parkes): I am sure I can rely on the goodwill of Members to make my brief time in the Chair as comfortable as possible. [Editor's Note: Parkes is now the deputy chairperson for this session] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Deputy Chairperson: I shall now put the question on the Ulster Unionist Party's motion. Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum calls on the Government to 1. set aside plans to introduce charges for non-residential care services; 2.... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: In the past I have used the words "sham" and "disgrace" to describe the peace process. Events of the last week have fully justified those descriptions and their reiteration today. I speak, I believe, for all right-thinking people — not... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Quorum not met Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Forum counted, and 22Members being then present — Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Quorum not met Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Deputy Chairperson: The attendance was brought to my attention earlier. Under Rule5(2) the matter may not be raised again for at least an hour. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I would like to address an issue that is much in people's minds at present — the "bloody Sunday" inquiry. I will question the need for an inquiry and compare that event with some of the things that have happened in the province over the... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: Before I speak about the question of accountable administration in Northern Ireland I want to associate myself with the very powerful and pertinent remarks of Rev William McCrea. I believe that, in doing so, I speak for most people in the... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 27 February 1998. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is adjourned] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Call to Order Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I should like to begin by thanking MrsParkes for standing in for me last Friday and for chairing the Business Committee last week and yesterday. I understand that, as I expected, she did a superb job. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: I was very pleased by some of the comments of Mr Rodgers. The Forum notes the sacrifice that he made today when, rather than go onto a platform with 60 to 100 television cameras from all over the world watching and with reporters... Friday January 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: May I congratulate the Committee and its Chairman on this report and its recommendations. I have certain reservations about the peace and reconciliation money. In my part of the world it has a nickname, but I will not say what it is. Much... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Discussion: visit of the Turkish Governors Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Chairman simply states this and the Forum moves on] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] Our guests are Mr Will Glendinning, the director of the Community Relations Council (CRC), Mr Brendan McAllister, the director of Mediation Network Ireland, and Mr Tony Canavan, the director of the Central Community Relations Unit. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr McAlister:] We have had a constructive and full debate, which will make my summing up somewhat shorter — no doubt, a relief to many. I want to commend all participants for their positive contributions. In particular, Mr Carrick, Mr Morrow and Mr... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Gibson:] The Order is a copious document, running to about 89 articles. We welcome the useful explanatory document, and we thank those who made presentations to the Committee. There is much in the Order that is not controversial. The purpose is to... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] Our guests are Mr Will Glendinning, the director of the Community Relations Council (CRC), Mr Brendan McAllister, the director of Mediation Network Ireland, and Mr Tony Canavan, the director of the Central Community Relations Unit. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] Our guests are Mr Will Glendinning, the director of the Community Relations Council (CRC), Mr Brendan McAllister, the director of Mediation Network Ireland, and Mr Tony Canavan, the director of the Central Community Relations Unit. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on 'Shaping our Future' Consultation Document Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Community Relations presentations and Q&A Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] May I ask Mr Canavan to begin. Mr Canavan: I am grateful for the invitation to describe the Government's community relations policy, which is based on the reality that NorthernIreland is a deeply divided society. The primary division... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] May I now ask Mr Glendinning to tell us about the work of the Community Relations Council. Mr Glendinning: Mr Canavan has referred to the origins of the Community Relations Council. As he has said, it is an independent company and... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: The next presentation will be by Mr Brendan McAllister, who is the director of Mediation Network. Mr McAllister: I am grateful for the invitation to address the Forum on the subject of community relations in Northern Ireland. My... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 10 minutes Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum resumes at 11:01] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I thank our three guests for their contributions, which have been very helpful. Drumcree number four is staring us in the face, and those who can afford to get out of the country at that time have already booked their holidays. Does Mr... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] On behalf of Members I thank you, Mr Canavan, Mr Glendinning and Mr McAllister, for coming and facing the music. [Editor's Note: This signals the end of the visits to the Forum by the external guests] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] On behalf of Members I thank you, Mr Canavan, Mr Glendinning and Mr McAllister, for coming and facing the music. [Editor's Note: This signals the end of the visits to the Forum by the external guests] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] On behalf of Members I thank you, Mr Canavan, Mr Glendinning and Mr McAllister, for coming and facing the music. [Editor's Note: This signals the end of the visits to the Forum by the external guests] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 10 minutes Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumes as 12.12pm] Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on FAIT anti-violence charter Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
r Gibson: I echo the sentiments that have been expressed by MrHussey. The danger in this document may be concealed by glossy pictures and nice words. There is a temptation to look at it in splendid isolation from the host of other documents that have... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: My subject is this year's rag magazine, 'PTQ'. It was a disgraceful publication — and this was not the first time for the so-called magazine to run into controversy. I refer to a page of so-called jokes about the death of the Princess of... Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is sent by the business committee to the Forum for consideration on the following day] Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on FAIT anti-violence charter Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I support the motion on behalf of the Ulster Unionist Party. A few weeks ago I substituted for a member of the Political Affairs Committee when it heard a very impressive submission from Families Against Intimidation and Terror (FAIT). I see... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Smyth to withdraw hypocrite remark Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Smyth to leave the chamber Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Smyth, that is hardly a withdrawal. Mr Hugh Smyth was escorted from the Chamber. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: We have heard from one party that it intends to abstain, but I imagine from what has been said that the others are unanimous and will accept a voice vote. Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum endorses the FAIT anti-violence charter. Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Security Situation Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: The Scientific and Veterinary Committee met this week and decided to set new standards — not scientific or veterinary, but political. This is a betrayal of Northern Ireland farmers and against the thrust of the single market. We certainly do... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Gibson:] The Education Committee has since taken evidence from interested parties, and it is our proposal that we forward a letter to the Minister recommending not only that he reconsider this, but that he restore preparatory-school funding to its... Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is sent by the business committee to the Forum for consideration on the following day] Thursday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Security Situation Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: May I first express sympathy to the people of Portadown and Moira, particularly the traders, including our Forum Colleague MrCarrick, who has suffered a huge loss as a result of this bomb. No one can say with certainty what is going to happen... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Extend the sitting Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Resolved: That the sitting be extended to 4.15pm. — [The Chairman] Debate resumed. Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: The security situation did not start to deteriorate last Friday; it started to deteriorate two months ago with a murder in the Maze. Since then there have been two Loyalist murders in the Lagan Valley constituency, and someone else was dumped... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I too support the motion. All right-thinking and responsible residents of Northern Ireland are concerned about the deteriorating security situation in the province. The DUP is concerned about, but not surprised by, the escalating violence.... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: I am very sad that some Members think it appropriate to bring party politicking into this debate. It is quite ridiculous. We in the Ulster Unionist Party believe in the Unionist family. For that reason we have suffered the sneers in... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Since we are now out of time I cannot technically take a vote on the motion. However, the Record will show that there was a fair degree of consensus among Members. Mr Dodds: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. People would find it hard to... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr King: It is with great pleasure that I support the proposed adoption of Standing Committee C's report. Before commenting on the report itself I should like to refer to the very good working relationships in the Committee, as evidenced by the... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: I do not know how I can follow Mr Kirkland. However, somebody has given me a quote from Robert Burns: "As father Adam first was fool'd, A case that's still too common, Here lies a man a woman rul'd, The Devil rul'd the woman." I must at... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was adjourned at 4.17pm] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence was observed] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: This is the second occasion on which the Forum has been addressed by visitors. We greatly value such opportunities. Next week we hope to have MrWorthington. [Editor's Note: This signals the end of this agenda item] Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
12.15 pm Rev Trevor Kirkland: Education is not the most riveting of subjects, but I want to reiterate two points to which the Committee Chairman drew attention — points that have been a running sore for some years. The first concerns parents. As the... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Inclusion of Women's Coalition points Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Gibson:] The first of the 12 points that were put to me misses the main thrust. It is a false argument. The reference to injustice in funding also misses the point. Most of the arguments are out of date and wrong in intention. It is the people... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: I support the motion, and I congratulate Mr Robinson on his analysis of the situation. I labour under two difficulties. First, my party's main contributor in this debate was to be Mr Stoker, but he had to go to England, and he left his... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: We live in strange days. It was Harold Wilson who said that a week was a long time in politics. In Northern Ireland 24 hours can seem a very long time in politics. We have the very strange situation whereby, in the name of... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
SECURITY SITUATION Debate resumed on motion (27 February 1998): This Forum notes with concern the deteriorating security situation in Northern Ireland. — [RevDrIan Paisley] The Chairman: It will be recalled that we ran out of time last Friday and that... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I am happy to support the motion. The letter expresses the feelings of most Forum Members. Tony Worthington's proposals for preparatory schools are ill thought out in terms of both practical and financial implications. In the 1970s Denis... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
3.30 pm Mr Casey: The Labour Party cannot support the motion. In January the Minister responsible for education, Mr Worthington, announced that public subsidy for preparatory schools would be reduced from 40% to 30%. The original intention was to... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: This committee has been doing a tremendous amount of work, and I resent some of the comments that were made by Ms Sagar of the Women's Coalition. This is not the first time that she has tried to tear Forum committees apart, and when... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 36; Noes 4. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Robert Bolton, Cecil Calvert, David Campbell, Gregory Campbell, Mervyn Carrick, Wilson Clyde, Ivan Davis, Reg Empey, Sam Foster, Sam Gardiner, Joseph Gaston, Oliver... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Joins to make a presentation] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Joins to make a presentation] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Joins to make a presentation] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] We shall start with Mr Gowdy's presentation. Mr Gowdy: Despite the public perception, civil servants are not used to flying alone. For the moment, however, we are without ministerial cover. I want to give a factual introduction to the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] I am pleased to welcome Mr Worthington, who has just arrived. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] Mr Carvill will now make his presentation. Mr Carvill: My remarks about the work of the Department of Education will be based on the contents of the brochure which has been distributed to Members. The first point I want to make is... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] We shall now hear from Mr Ian Walters. Mr Walters: Like Mr Carvill, I shall base my comments on a document that has been distributed to Members. The Training and Employment Agency was established in 1990 as a Next Steps agency. In... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] I now call on the Minister, Mr Worthington. As the first departmental Minister to subject himself to the Forum, he will no doubt find it much more harmonious than some of the media would have people believe. We look forward to hearing... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mrs Steele: On behalf of the Ulster Unionist Party I thank Mr Worthington and his colleagues for coming to the Forum. They are very welcome. I am the Vice-Chairman of the Forum's Economy Committee, which is very interested in all aspects of the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This signals the end of the presentations and this discussion] The Chairman: The Minister has stayed three minutes longer than he intended, and we are most grateful. It is remarkable that in such a short time he has managed to get... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr David Campbell:] First, I apologize to the Forum for Standing Committee D's request for retrospective approval in this case. The urgency of the matter came to our attention only last Friday. The consultative paper on the Fisheries Departments'... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: After the allotted time, the visitors leave the Forum] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: After the allotted time, the visitors leave the Forum] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: After the allotted time, the visitors leave the Forum] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: After the allotted time, the visitors leave the Forum] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumes at 2.03 pm] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Worthington was very complimentary about how this morning's session went. I believe that we can reciprocate. He has a wide-ranging portfolio which takes in health, education and training and employment, and in his address and his... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Permanent secretaries to be invited separately in future Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: That is a very good point, and one that the Business Committee should discuss at its next meeting. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Ask leftover questions to the Minister during the Special Debate Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Stewart: I strongly agree with the Committee Chairman, Mr Campbell. To go into fishing you must have a boat, and that costs a lot of money. Then the fisherman needs a licence. Several years ago there were no licences at all; anyone could buy a boat... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: An excellent idea which has my full support. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
In future invite one official at a time Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Those are very useful suggestions. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: The Minister arrived later so he was not here for the full hour. He should have given us more time. The Chairman: We never expected to have the Minister for an hour. That was the time allocated to the whole group. This was the first such... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Ian Paisley Jr:] First, Madam, may I associate myself with what has been said about your being in the Chair today. I hope that no Member from this side of the House will give you cause for concern or reason to look at the rule book. I have very... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Robert John White: I wanted to ask the Minister about basic skills tuition in the training programmes and, specifically, about funding for tuition in numeracy and literacy, but my question has had to be put in a letter. I want now to highlight... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: The first issue that I want to raise is the Millennium Dome. Peter Mandelson is top of the list of those who hope that it will be completed on time. Whether or not we think it unnecessary, whether or not we think that the money could be... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at is rising today do adjourn until Friday 13 March 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.09 pm. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: the meeting was called to order] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday March 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
Response to the Government White Paper 'The Food Standards Agency - A Force for Change' by Standing Committee D Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Casey: I would love to support the motion, but I am not able to. We have had a lot of reminiscing, and we have been told that the Rules allow us to meet in different places. If we had stuck assiduously to all the Rules on how we perform rather than... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: This subject is close to the hearts of most people. It causes many serious problems, and we have a duty to do our best for constituents. Unfortunately, this Government does not seem to have the same sense of duty. Councils often condemned... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: The debate has been largely non-divisive. There were one or two hiccups, but the Members concerned have left. We should consider the merits of the arguments that have been made. Those from the minority parties who argued against... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
12.45 am The Deputy Chairperson: If Members agree I shall delay putting the Question until after the lunch break. The poor attendance is reprehensible given that we are dealing with a matter which affects everyone. Perhaps the party Whips will convey... Friday February 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: This document is considered by the Forum session] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Response to the Government White Paper 'The Food Standards Agency - A Force for Change' by Standing Committee D Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion to adopt Committee D's response to the Government's White Paper on The Food Standards Agency Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr David Campbell:] Members are well aware of the background to the proposal for a food standards agency. Over the past few years there have been numerous food scares — potatoes, poultry, beef, eggs — and this week the National Consumers' Association... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: As Chairman of Committee C, Mr Smyth, would you like to add to Mr Campbell's words? Mr Hugh Smyth: I am grateful for the opportunity to say a few words about the food standards agency. First, I would like to thank Committee D and its... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Hussey:] I would like to express my gratitude to the Health Committee for giving me approval to bring this matter to the Floor of the House although I am not a Committee member. The motion is a response to the Department of Health and Social... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: I too commend the Committee's Chairperson, other members and secretariat for the effort that they put into this response. We welcome the White Paper on the proposed food standards agency. It signals a major step forward in ensuring the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the response prepared by Standing Committee D to the Government's White Paper 'The Food Standards Agency — A Force for Change' and agrees to forward the response to the Department of Health and... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the motion being passed, this response document is adopted] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: I congratulate you, Madam, on your elevation today. I too am grateful to my Colleague Mr Hussey for proposing this motion. The Forum's Health Committee will be discussing the home-help service very shortly. Care in the community is a good... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: I am very glad to be here, but I am afraid that my speech is in my office, so I shall have to ad lib. I apologize on its behalf! I would like to notify the Forum of a difficulty that I anticipate will arise later in the year. It is to do... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
FORUM: QUORUM Mr Browne: You have said, Madam, that once it has been brought to your attention that the Forum is inquorate it is not in order to raise the matter again for a period of one hour. Surely if we are inquorate the meeting is not legal. The... Friday February 1998Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
The Electoral Committee's Report on an electoral system from a Northern Ireland Assembly Friday March 1998Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
[Editor's Note: This report is sent to the Forum for consideration] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Electoral Committee's Report on an electoral system from a Northern Ireland Assembly Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion to adopt report on an electoral system for a Northern Ireland Assembly Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: On behalf of the Ulster Unionist Party I welcome this very valuable and timely report, which, for the benefit of those who are not familiar with electoral practices, illustrates how various systems work. It is clear that no system is perfect.... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: Ever since I was a young boy I have supported Liverpool Football Club. In the 1980s it was the top team, and as we enter the new millennium I am sure it will be at the top of the league again. Nine years ago an awful tragedy befell the... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
11.00 am The Chairman: Members now have an opportunity to put questions to the Forum's guests. We hope to finish this part of the business by 12 o'clock. Mr Foster: May I welcome our visitors. It is not my intention to be insulting, but I have to... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: I agree with what Mr Hugh Smyth said about spoiled votes. I too have seen many cases over the years. A large number of votes were spoiled not because people unintentionally filled in their ballot papers wrongly but because they chose to... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That the Forum adopts the report on an electoral system for a Northern Ireland Assembly and endorses the Electoral Reform Committee's request that the Secretary of State meet with the Committee to discuss its... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the previous motion being adopted, this report is adopted] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Rectify Minutes of 20/2/98 Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Certainly. Thank you, Mr Hussey. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 10 minutes Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting resumed at 12.33 pm] Friday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Disability Benefits cuts Thursday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: The Loyalist and Unionist people are very proud of their heritage, of a way of life that was handed down to them at great cost. It is not something that can be bartered or given away. The deeds of Ulster — our birthright — are not to be put... Friday February 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is brought in the Forum session on the following day] Thursday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: I have just learned at a function in Belfast city hall that GeorgeMackey, who has done so much for the city, is in hospital, having had a heart attack. I am sure that most Members — not just those from the city — will join me in sending... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: We must all long for the day when there will be no paramilitary beatings. No one will ever know how hard people like Mr Ervine and me have tried to prevent punishment beatings or, indeed, how many we have stopped. This whole society has... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Disability Benefits cuts Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: I shall speak very briefly for I want to give way to the DUP. MrMcAlister berates the political process that we are involved in. I even read that when we were in Dublin last week we were warming the seats that we would like to sit on in... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smith: Mr Chairman, it is with all due respect that I say that there is no hope of my withdrawing it. I stand by what I said. He is the greatest hypocrite that ever walked. The Chairman: You must be careful. Those are very serious words. Mr... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting suspends and resumes at 2.05pm] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: Mr Dodds made many vital points with which I concur. Any suggestion that disability benefits are to be cut is very upsetting for those who are disabled, frail or elderly. I trust that this is no more than a suggestion. The Government must... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Agreed amendment to Motion on Disability Benefits cuts Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Amendment, by leave, made: At the end add "Indeed, the Forum, believing present levels of disability benefit to be inadequate, calls on the Government to bring forward proposals to increase such benefits to meet the needs of people with disabilities."... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Main Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum is alarmed at suggestions about cuts in disability benefits, which will have a grave impact on many citizens of Northern Ireland. The Forum calls on the Government to end the present... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 20 March 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.09 pm. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: I agree with Mr Weir's comments about people taking responsibility for their actions. The problem is that this society is governed by a behaviourist ideology, which means that all actions can be excused. This process is no... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the Chancellor's Budget Statement Thursday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is moved in the Forum session of the following day] Thursday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Chancellor's Budget Statement Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: It is my ambition — indeed, I hope, the ambition of all Forum Members— to be debating budgets in a democratically elected Northern Ireland Assembly in the not-too-distant future. I hope for an early agreement which will lead to the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Bell: Over the last few months I have been loudly criticizing various Government proposals, such as the tax on disability benefits, the New Deal and Welfare to Work. Like other Members, however, I now want to give some praise, which, I hope, is well... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: From the point of view of mothers this is a really radical budget. Child benefit had not been increased in real terms for 30 years, so this is an amazing and truly welcome step forward. As a person with two children I do not recall ever... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Invite the Chancellor of the Exchequer Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Do Members agree? It was so decided. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum notes the proposals contained in the budget statement by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on 17 March 1998. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: I too thank our guests for coming and giving us their views. It is unfortunate that one of the parties that insisted on their attendance — the Women's Coalition — has not bothered to turn up. None the less, the rest of us are more... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The session breaks and then resumes again at 12.13 pm] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Editor's Note: The 'Partnership for Equality' White Paper (March 1998) referred to in this motion and debate can be found here: https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/ccru/equality/docs/pfe98.htm Friday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on 'Partnership for Equality' Government White Paper Thursday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is moved in the Forum session of the following day] Thursday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on 'Partnership for Equality' Government White Paper Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Nesbitt is next, and he will certainly be permitted to say more than "Good afternoon." Mr Nesbitt: Good afternoon, Mr Chairman. Thank you for allowing me latitude in my time. I hope that you will keep to your pledge. Mr McBride is... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for Lunch Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The session breaks for lunch and returns at 2.04 pm] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Economy Committee to make views on budget known by next Friday Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: I have been an advocate of community relations work for many years, both as a local representative (constituency work is often community relations work) and as someone who has developed cultural organizations that have benefited from... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
'PARTNERSHIP FOR EQUALITY' (WHITE PAPER) Debate resumed on motion: This Forum notes the contents of the Government White Paper 'Partnership for Equality'. — [MrMcBride] Ms McWilliams: This is a comprehensive report, but only two points seem to have... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: One becomes cautious about words as used in a political context. For example, prior to the fall of the Iron Curtain the most totalitarian regimes were always called people's republics or democratic republics. Here people are very suspicious of... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 27 March 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.23 pm. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: Mr Glendinning talked about equity and equality in Northern Ireland. Was he suggesting that Northern Ireland is in some way different and that the political problems we have to solve are different? MrCanavan mentioned diversity of income.... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday March 1998Committee: Standing Committee C
The Northern Ireland Ambulance Service: A Review by Standing Committee C Monday March 1998Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editor's Note: The report is sent to the Forum for consideration] Monday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: Mr Canavan talked about funding for different cultural traditions. He said that funding for the Ulster Heritage Society and similar organizations would be perceived — I think that "perceived" was the word — as going to the Unionist... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Northern Ireland Ambulance Service: A Review by Standing Committee C Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Neeson:] I want to take this opportunity to express my deep abhorrence of the despicable violence and intimidation that occur here almost daily. The perpetrators of these barbaric acts are not community policemen; they are criminal, evil thugs.... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion to adopt Committee C's report on the Ambulance Service Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gardiner: I join with Mrs Parkes in paying tribute to Mr Arnold, Mrs Young and the other members of staff who helped the Health Committee to produce yet another weighty document. I also want to thank my colleagues, particularly those from other... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: I was glad to be a part of this aspect of the Health Committee's work because of my interest in the Ambulance Service as an emergency facility. It was amazing to learn about the difficulties that the service has had in getting funds,... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the report on the Northern Ireland Ambulance Service prepared by Standing Committee C on 23 March and agrees to forward it to the Minister for Health and Social Services with the request that he... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McCarthy: I support this motion and condemn all violence at all times and from whatever quarter. Members may recall that I voiced concern last week that violence on the streets can be caused by inflammatory speeches — violence of the tongue.... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: As a result of the passing of the previous motion, this document is adopted] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: Mr Chairman — A Member: Cheerio. Mr Hugh Smyth: Yes, I will go. If you think for one moment that I am going to — [Interruption] Stop slabbering. The Chairman: Mr Smyth, will you please address the Chair. Mr Hugh Smyth: I will throw... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: Clause (7) of the charter says "We demand the right for everyone who was ordered out of Northern Ireland, under paramilitary threat, to be able to return home to their families in safety." Such a person has been mentioned here before. The... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Members may be interested to know that last night I had a telephone call from Dr Maurice Hayes, Chairman of the Mater Hospital, expressing his appreciation of the Health Committee's visit to the hospital. He said that it had been most useful. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 20 minutes Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and returns at 11.34 am] Friday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on British Citizenship in the Irish Republic Thursday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is debated by the Forum on the following day] Thursday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on British Citizenship in the Irish Republic Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum calls on the Home Secretary to take such steps as are necessary to facilitate those of British descent living in the Irish Republic who wish to obtain British citizenship. Friday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on European Union Common Agricultural Policy Thursday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is debated by the Forum on the following day] Thursday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: This debate has shown up those who have not left behind the very things they are complaining about. Mr Smyth tells us that he and his Colleagues have prevented a number of paramilitary beatings. The next time I visit someone in... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
[Rev Dr Ian Paisley:] At a meeting some time ago the former PrimeMinister, JohnMajor, told my colleagues and me that if the IRA should break their cease-fire the whole world would send them to Coventry. He would not be talking to them again but would... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on European Union Common Agricultural Policy Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum takes note of the proposals for further reform of the European Union common agricultural policy as part of the Agenda 2000 package. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: I support the motion, and I commend Dr Paisley for his final few words. The situation is certainly deteriorating — of that there is no doubt. Sinn Fein had their backs against the wall. Politics were not working for them, so they sought a... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for Lunch Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and resumes at 2.04 pm] Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: The Ulster Unionist Party wholeheartedly agrees with Mr McCrea and Mr Morrow. This document is deplorable and despicable. It takes us back to the worst days of Nick Scott. We will continue to tell things as they are, and we will not be... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hunter: Tom Kelly's document, so fortuitously leaked, is a classic of its kind. It shows that the teachings of the good Dr Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's right-wing Minister of propaganda and enlightenment, are alive and well, and for media students of... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 3 April 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.18 pm. Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: the silence is observed] Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee E
Transport in Rural Areas: A Report by Standing Committee E Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee E
[Editor's Note: The report is presented to the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Discuss what to say to the Chancellor of the Exchequer Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: In supporting the motion I want to concentrate on the terrible situation that we in Portadown have experienced during the past week. First, I want to express my revulsion at the bombs in Portadown and Moira. It is depressing to have seen... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: Later. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: At a meeting of the Northern Ireland Grand Committee MrIngram expressed shock that the Chancellor should have been asked to consider coming to the Forum. He said "If he goes to the Forum he cannot meet the... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: We have just had from Mr Brewster an example of what my Friend has described as "lies, lies, lies". I believe that Mr Brewster told a deliberate lie about a DUP councillor in Cookstown. The Cookstown Council has two members of the... Friday February 1998Committee: The Forum
Departmental Presentations Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: We will be looking at that this afternoon. However, if the Chancellor travels by bus he may take a long time to get here. He would certainly take a long time to get from the west of the province, but he probably does not know that the... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
I want to thank the Committee's Vice-Chairperson, Mrs Steele, and all other members, particularly those who had to stand in at this busy time, whose contribution was most valuable. The Committee Clerk did an excellent job, as usual, and we thank him... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mrs Steele: Mr McAlister has given us nearly the full bucket. He has covered the subject very well. I too commend this report to the Forum. I thank all those who gave evidence, the Committee Clerk and the typists, and I am grateful to Mr McAlister and... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: I had hoped to see evidence of pious platitudes becoming practical provision, but I do appreciate very much the recognition that the rural areas need a roads infrastructure. I realize that the Committee devoted a good deal of time to this... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: There are aspects of this report that disappoint me. It does not go far enough. Maybe there are good reasons for this — perhaps lack of time or of resources — but some matters should have been teased out a little. Paragraph 4.2 says "The... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the report by Standing Committee E on transport in rural areas. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: the Forum breaks and then resumes at 12.02 pm] Friday April 1998Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
Electoral System for Westminster Elections: A Report by Committee On Electoral Reform Friday April 1998Committee: Committee on Electoral Reform
[Editor's Note: The report is presented to the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Electoral System for Westminster Elections: A Report by Committee On Electoral Reform Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion to adopt and forward the report on electoral system for Westminster Elections Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: May I join others in welcoming the Minister and his officials. In its much-acclaimed report on men's health the Forum's Health Committee recommended the setting up of a publicly funded forum on the subject — a body that could bring... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I want to associate the Ulster Unionist Party with Mr Neeson's remarks about electoral abuse. The practice has a long history in this country, and the Government's lack of action is a disgrace. We must ensure that resources are provided for... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the report by the Committee on Electoral Reform on the electoral system for Westminster elections and agrees to forward this to the Independent Commission on the Voting System. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's result: as a result of the passing of the previous motion, this report is adopted] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: First, may I welcome the Minister and his officials. Is the Minister aware that the culture of education enjoyed by his constituents was imported originally from this province some 1,500 years ago and that they have added value to it?... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks for lunch and then resumes again at 2.17 pm] Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
Organophosphate Insecticides - Their use by the Farming Community: A Report Prepared by Standing Committee D Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: This report is considered by the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Organophosphate Insecticides - Their use by the Farming Community: A Report Prepared by Standing Committee D Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gardiner: As a member of the Health Committee I welcome the Minister's suggestion that we discuss the issue of men's health with him. In England moves are being made to lower the legal blood-alcohol level. Many of us would like to see a complete... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: I would like to bring to the Forum's attention a matter of recent concern which has already been investigated by the Health Committee — the ambulance service in south Tyrone. On Wednesday 4 March at 2.00 pm a request was made for an... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: The previous Administration introduced the jobseekers' allowance but prevented many fishermen from getting it. Fishermen's work is controlled by the weather. When a fisherman goes to make a claim — he has probably been two days on and three... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
BEEF INDUSTRY CRISIS (BSE): european union export ban The Chairman: I am sure I speak for every Member here in recording satisfaction at this week's decision by the Council of European Agriculture Ministers to approve the lifting of the export ban on... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr David Campbell:] It is a tragedy when any person falls ill; it is a double tragedy when the disease or disability is largely incurable and no effective treatment is available; it is a triple tragedy when the disease or disability arises from the... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
2.30 pm Mr Shannon: I endorse Mr Campbell's comments. Two or three years ago, if you had asked a member of the public what organophosphates were and how they affected people, he would have looked at you blankly and said that he had no idea. One of... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: My attention having been drawn to the absence of a quorum, I shall suspend the meeting briefly. The meeting was suspended at 2.53 pm and resumed at 2.57 pm. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: This Forum adopts the report by Standing Committee D 'Organophosphate Insecticides — Their Use by the Farming Community'. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I want to say a few words to those in the Gallery who represent the Organophosphorus Sufferers' Association. All Forum Members, including myself, wish you well. We have the deepest sympathy for you and for those whom you represent, who... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
FORUM SUBMISSION TO CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER [Editor's Note: The Forum now turns to do this] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I have a short list of Members for the Adjournment debate. As MrGibson suggested, those who had questions for the Minister but were frustrated might like to say their piece now and have it in the Record of Debates, which the Minister and... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: Mr Chairman, as we may have an opportunity to speak to the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he visits the province, you asked the Economy Committee to prepare a list of requests. What we have produced is not a list of everything we want,... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Condense the Economy Committee's views on the budget into a short paper for next week Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: This man Foster has nothing at all to do with me. We are not related in any way. All I can say is that he fostering support for his Bill. I fully agree with a number of points that the Minister made this morning about the Health Service. He... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: There is an old saying: "Sometimes the best is the enemy of the good." I am firmly of the view that unless the Forum issues something soon — within the next few days — we may forget about it. We must get something to the Chancellor... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I deplore the fact that Mr McAlister was not given a proper opportunity to make his points. Although not a member of the Economy Committee, I would like to draw the Forum's attention to the cost of flying to the Isle of Man. I go to the TT... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: I wish to put on record the two questions which I intended to put to the Minister. You, Mr Chairman, will be aware of the recent rise in prescription charges. They may also have heard about the concern of many, including chemists, that the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 10 April 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 3.42 pm. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday April 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on Fair Employment Commission Report Thursday April 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This motion is moved in the Forum] Thursday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on Fair Employment Commission Report Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: "the events of the last 72 hours" that the Chairman refers to are the setting of a deadline for an Agreement by George Mitchell and the surrounding negotiations. This session is on the same day as the signing of the Good Friday Agreement] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Firearms in the building Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: I support this response from the Agriculture Committee, which has been endorsed by the Health Committee. The debate about a food standards agency probably predates the outbreak of BSE, but it came to a head in the minds of the public at the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you, Dr Paisley. With typical courtesy, you gave me notice of your intention to raise these matters. I am most concerned by what you have said about people bringing firearms into the Forum premises. Having made some inquiries, I... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Chairman:] As you have indicated, Forum Members are absolutely entitled to be here, and so long as I am Chairman, there will be no question of anyone saying "We do not want you here because your views are not compatible with what is politically... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: This was indeed a horrific killing, like many others. If Members agree I will write to Mrs Deeney expressing the Forum's sympathy to her and the children. Mr Gregory Campbell: Having visited the family on Wednesday evening, just after... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
FAIR EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION REPORT Mr Gregory Campbell: I beg to move the following motion: That the Forum notes the most recent monitoring report (No 8) from the Fair Employment Commission. I want to deal very briefly with the background to this... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
10.45 am Mr Gibson: This is a very revealing document. Age Concern — that revered body — employs twice as many Catholics as Protestants. If there was employment imbalance in the other direction it has certainly gone full circle. I am especially... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum notes the most recent monitoring report (No 8) from the Fair Employment Commission. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Hold emergency meeting of the business committee Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 11.14 am and resumed at 12.00. [Editor's Note: The Forum breaks in order for a meeting of the Business Committee to be held. ] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: I would like to thank all Members for their valuable comments. We hope that the establishment of this agency, which will probably not come into being until the end of next year, indicates that the Government are finally getting... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: That is what we should aim for, and we should get down to the key issues. A matter close to my heart is the great structural changes in agriculture and manufacturing industry that Agenda 2000 will bring about. I want to see new... Friday March 1998Committee: Business Committee
Recommendation for rest of day's business Friday April 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This recommendation is given by the Chairman in the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Recommendation for rest of day's business Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: How long is the Adjournment debate likely to last? The Chairman: About an hour. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The meeting was suspended at 12.01 and resumed at 2.02 pm. [Editor's Note: By breaking for lunch and resuming for a special debate, the Forum is accepting the Business Committee recommendation] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Adjournment) Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: This is a tragic day for our province. Although the talks document has now been released to the press, it has not yet been issued to public representatives. In fact, the Northern Ireland Office had the cheek to tell me that it would... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
2.30 pm Mr Shannon: We have not yet seen this document, which had 65 pages on Monday and 67 this afternoon and may have 68 before it is finished. Whatever their number, the pages will detail what is to happen to the Union. One thing is certain: today... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum at its rising today do adjourn until Friday 17 April 1998. The Forum was adjourned at 2.54 pm. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting was called to order.] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
First, I want to express my gratitude to the members of the Committee, to MsGailMcKibbin and to all those who made oral or written submissions. Special thanks are due to Dr Sidney Elliott, who gave evidence at a very early stage. While there was not... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put. The Forum divided: Ayes 5; Noes 31. Ayes: Eileen Bell, Kieran McCarthy, Monica McWilliams, Sean Neeson, HughSmyth. Noes: Antony Alcock, Thomas Benson, David Brewster, Cecil Calvert, DavidCampbell, Gregory Campbell, Wilson Clyde, Nigel... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Hold Business Committee meeting at the end of the day Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: No objections are raised and this seems more of a note that this is occuring than a question] Friday April 1998Committee: Business Committee
Motion on the Multi-Party Agreement Thursday April 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: This is debated in the Forum on the following day] Thursday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Trimble:] Although it is referred to at the moment as the Castle Buildings Agreement, I expect that history will record this as the Stormont Agreement. That might be more appropriate. The amendment which has been tabled contains several highly... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: The Northern Ireland Women's Coalition welcomes the report and pays tribute to the Committee's Chairman and other members for their work. We would also like to thank Ms McKibbin, who serviced the Committee — no mean task, as can well be... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: After almost two years the Forum is nearing the end of its life. I would like to take this opportunity once again to thank the Secretariat for its support. Those of us who were at Stormont last week know what a roller-coaster it was. The... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 15 minutes Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then resumes again at 11.30am] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Curran: I feel like Rip van Winkle, this time waking up after 100 years, and asking myself whether we have advanced at all since I went to sleep. I support the motion. My party — the smallest participating in the talks and the Forum — is greatly... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: It is a remarkable — [Interruption] The Chairman: It would be nice if Mr Robinson were to get some silence from members of his own party. Mr Peter Robinson: What a remarkable achievement that Mr Nesbitt spoke for 10minutes without... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: Surprise, surprise — the DUP says "No". The word "Yes" is not and never will be part of its vocabulary. It believes strongly in the principle of consent, so long as that means that it can say "No". It makes a negative out of a positive. The... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: It is sad that such a serious debate has deteriorated so much because of the Democratic Unionist Party's antics. The behaviour is atrocious. There is no humility whatsoever. The arrogance of some is unbelievable. Earlier today I wanted to... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then resumes at 2.00pm Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: I want to speak on the DUP amendment to the motion on the iniquitous Agreement signed last Friday. When I got the hold of the Agreement I thought to myself "Let's see what is in it." Paragraph 5 of the declaration of support says "We... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. I have been accused of putting an advertisement in the Belfast 'News Letter' and the 'Belfast Telegraph'. I can assure Members that I knew nothing about these advertisements. The DUP made no... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: I came here this morning with a certain amount of fear and trepidation. There are so many lawyers and academics — nutty professors — in the place who are used to playing with words and twisting them to suit themselves that I asked myself "How... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
2.45 pm Mr Sammy Wilson: Unfortunately I missed most of the morning's events in the Forum. However, I did hear some comments on the radio at lunch-time. I was struck by the defence that the Leader of the Ulster Unionist Party made during an interview,... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I want to address a particular issue in the document. The section starting on page19 is headed "Rights, Safeguards and Equality of Opportunity". The subheading is "Economic, Social and Cultural Issues". I want to focus on cultural issues —... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: Two things have become evident during the course of this debate. First, the way Members have reacted to it is the way this whole campaign is going to be run. None of the people who will be signing up to this document will actually... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: I wish to associate the Ulster Unionist Party with the tributes paid to the staff. When one looks at the tremendous amount of material that was provided for us one begins to realize the background work that has to be done. In particular, I... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: First, I want to mention a disgraceful incident which took place in my constituency this week — the pollution of the river at Crawfordsburn. This resulted in the death of many trout, and the area had to be cordoned off for a time. Anybody who... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put: That the amendment be made. The Forum divided: Ayes 23; Noes 2. Ayes: May Beattie, Robert Bolton, Cecil Calvert, Gregory Campbell, MervynCarrick, Wilson Clyde, Nigel Dodds, Oliver Gibson, TrevorKirkland, St Clair McAlister, William... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Strike down the amendment via Rule 13(1) Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Peter Robinson: On a point of order, Mr Chairman. As the amendment has been agreed to, it is now part of the motion. You will be quite entitled, if the amended motion is passed, to rule that it would not command consensus, but you cannot discard the... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Dodds:] I am glad that this motion is before the House. We are dealing with an issue which is very important in that it directly affects tens of thousands of ordinary people in difficult circumstances. Some of the matters that we debate may appear... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: This is where my difficulties under Rule 13(1) have to be expressed. I cannot accept that this motion would command support across the various traditions in Northern Ireland. The Chairman, pursuant to Rule 13(1), declared the resolution... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting adjourns at 3.57 pm] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The meeting is called to order] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
2 minutes silence Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The silence is observed] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: On the matter of transparency, openness and honesty on the part of the Government, I am sure Mr Dodds is aware of Age Concern's initial response to the Royal Commission on long-term care. Age Concern in Northern Ireland has demanded that... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Assign 30 minutes to each report debate Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mrs Parkes: The speculation about the Government's plans for social security is creating a great deal of anxiety in all sections of the community, but particularly among the most vulnerable. Members are well aware of the current review of the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This is accepted without comment] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: How long will the Minister be with us, and what form will his presentation take? The Chairman: He is scheduled to arrive at 11.30 am, and he will be here for an hour. He will speak briefly, and the remainder of his time will be... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Eric Smyth: I too support the motion. Mr Gibson spoke about community care. We read recently about the lady who had been lying dead for four months when she was found. What happened to community care there? As Mr Gibson has said, the Government... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Take items 3 and 4 of the Order Paper together Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Do Members agree to this proposal? Members indicated assent. Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
Northern Ireland Agriculture - Preparing for the Future: Standing Committee D report Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
Willow Biomass and Renewable Energy: Report by Standing Committee D Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: The report is presented to the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editor's Note: The report is presented to the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Northern Ireland Agriculture - Preparing for the Future: Standing Committee D report Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
It is important to send out the message that we want clarity and reassurance to dispel the rumour, fear and speculation. Benefits should be raised to a level which will help people to meet the extra costs associated with disability. Disability living... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Davis: Some 15 years ago, during the life of another Assembly, the Eastern Health and Social Services Board published a document called 'Developing Hospital Services'. Mr Sammy Wilson may remember, as I do, his joining me in going through it with a... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Willow Biomass and Renewable Energy: Report by Standing Committee D Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: First of all, may I place on record my thanks to Mr Murray Barnes and his staff for their efforts in preparing these reports. I also thank the members of Standing Committee D for their diligence and effort over several weeks. The... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum adopts the report by Standing Committee D 'Northern Ireland Agriculture — Preparing for the Future'. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Resolved: That this Forum adopts the report by Standing Committee D 'Willow Biomass and Renewable Energy'. — [Mr David Campbell] Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
Special Educational Provision for School-Age Children in Northern Ireland: Report by Committee B Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editor's Note: The report is presented to the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Special Educational Provision for School-Age Children in Northern Ireland: Report by Committee B Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: On behalf of the other members of the Committee, I would like to thank the Chairman, Mr Gibson, for his efforts. I would also like to thank the Committee Clerk, LizBenson, and Stuart McDougall for their input. The production of this report was... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum adopts the report by Standing Committee B 'Special Education Provision for School-Age Children in Northern Ireland'. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for 15 minutes Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then resumes again at 11.40 pm] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
MINISTERIAL PRESENTATION (ENVIRONMENT and AGRICULTURE) The Chairman: I am happy to welcome Lord Dubs and his two Permanent Secretaries, Mr Ronnie Spence and Mr Peter Small. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: I want to raise last Saturday's problems at soccer matches in Belfast — at Windsor Park, between Linfield and Glentoran, and at Seaview, between Crusaders and Cliftonville. I urge the Education Minister, Mr Worthington, to take... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
MINISTERIAL PRESENTATION (ENVIRONMENT and AGRICULTURE) The Chairman: I am happy to welcome Lord Dubs and his two Permanent Secretaries, Mr Ronnie Spence and Mr Peter Small. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
MINISTERIAL PRESENTATION (ENVIRONMENT and AGRICULTURE) The Chairman: I am happy to welcome Lord Dubs and his two Permanent Secretaries, Mr Ronnie Spence and Mr Peter Small. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Here Lord Dubs is accompanied by Permanent Secretaries, so clearly this request was not followed] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: Again, it is clear that this has not been followed] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Lord Dubs Presentation Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: It remains for me only to propose a heartfelt vote of thanks to the Minister and his two Permanent Secretaries, and so I ask Members to express their gratitude in the usual way. [Applause] Lord Dubs: May I thank Members for the very... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The minister and his permanent secretaries leave the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Carrick: I want to highlight a problem which is growing throughout Northern Ireland. It concerns social order. We have witnessed and are witnessing an increasing tendency for residents'groupsand community groups to be infiltrated by people with... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Transport in Rural Areas: A Report by Standing Committee E Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Stewart: We have heard about how people are affected by these substances. Iwant to thank all those who gave evidence and especially the people who are in the Gallery today. I also want to thank Mr Barnes for the work that he put into the... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The minister and his permanent secretaries leave the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The minister and his permanent secretaries leave the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee A
Relationships within the British Isles and the Implications of Decentralisation Throughout the Regions of the UK (Standing Committee A) Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: The report is presented to the Forum Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Relationships within the British Isles and the Implications of Decentralisation Throughout the Regions of the UK (Standing Committee A) Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Break for lunch Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Forum breaks and then resumes again at 2.05 pm] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr McAlister:] It is reassuring to know that if, in the course of my speech, a Member wishes to intervene he will have to seek permission. At the last meeting I attended, people did not want to follow that democratic path, so it is refreshing to be... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McMichael: I want to join the Chairman of the Committee, Mr Stoker, in expressing thanks to other Committee members for dealing with an issue which is different from many of the issues which other Committees have dealt with. There was usually broad... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: This is a most worthwhile report. Certain sections make very interesting reading. Mr Dodds has just referred to one section which is fascinating. I was able to be part of the Committee for some of its deliberations, in particular... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum adopts the report by Standing Committee A 'Relationships within the British Isles and the Implications of Decentralization throughout the Regions of the United Kingdom.' Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee C
Community Care and the Home Help Service - An examination by Standing Committee C Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editor's Note: This report is presented to the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Community Care and the Home Help Service - An examination by Standing Committee C Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum adopts the report by Standing Committee C 'Community Care and the Home-Help Service: An Examination by Standing Committee C' and decides to forward it to the Minister for Health with the request... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Economy Committee Presentation Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
11.00 am Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: With the speech that we have just heard, Mr White will undoubtedly be one of the stars of this debate. It certainly was an interesting contribution. When a budget debate was suggested at the Business Committee someone... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Brewster: Mrs Steele has just said that we will all leave here today to serve in other places. It would be a terrible error on our part not to say that the Women's Coalition will be going from here into oblivion. Mrs Steele: I would not say... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The presentation has been given and there is no further discussion] Friday April 1998Committee: Business Committee
[Editor's Note: The report is presented to the Forum] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Northern Ireland Forum for Political Dialogue: Activities and Achievements Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: Before rushing headlong to welcome this budget as a panacea I want to highlight a number of matters. If you examine the complexity of the budget and its fiscal and monetary arrangements you will see that it raises a fundamental... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Empey: Mr Chairman, my first task is to thank you. As you have said you have grown with the job, a job which was thrust upon you allowing very little time for preparation — and that must have been difficult. We in the Ulster Unionist Party wish to... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Question put and agreed to. Resolved: That this Forum adopts the report by the Business Committee 'The Activities and Achievements of the Forum'. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Close the Forum Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Forum rose at 3.38 pm. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
PRESENTATION TO FORUM CHAIRMAN The Secretary to the Forum (Mr Carson): Before Members go, there is one last item of business that is not on the Order Paper. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[The Secretary to the Forum (Mr Carson): This is the only time I will be able to speak to you all. Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I am lost for words. I do not know quite what to say other than to thank you very much indeed. I am leaving here with many friends. You are all my friends. Thank you. [Editor's Note: The vase is accepted with Thanks] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: This was the final session of the Forum.] Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: There are now 13 members on the list. I understand that the press conference has been arranged for 11.00 am, so perhaps members will make their contributions as brief as possible. Mrs Parkes: May I, first, associate my party with your... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
[Mr McBride:] In some ways this is a contentious issue, and it will be interesting to see how it is debated. However, there ought to be broad agreement that equality of opportunity for all is vital. There may be disagreement about the details, but... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
10.30 am Ms Sagar: I would like to pass the condolences of the Women's Coalition to Mr Malcolm Moss and Mr Dermot Nesbitt. The Women's Coalition is pleased to support the report on cancer care issued by Standing CommitteeC, with its recommendations... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
Quorum not met Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Sammy Wilson: May we not call for other Members who are in the building? Mr Poots: My name was not put forward, but I understood that I was to be allowed to speak. The Chairman: If we get a quorum, you will certainly get your five minutes. Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: The White Paper talks about the possibility of creating a unified equality commission. Most people, including the members of the DUP, believe that the Government should try to establish fairness in terms of gender, race, religion... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Forum counted, and not fewer than 22 Members being present — Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's Note: The Special Debate has been held. This is represented as a no-objection adoption] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Adjourn meeting Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editor's note: The meeting is adjourned] Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Special Debate (Rule 10.5) Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
We have six speakers so far from the DUP, but no other suggestions yet. We will adjourn for ten minutes so that parties, given this extra time, can consider whether there are other issues they would like to raise. The meeting was suspended at 2.12 pm... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: The White Paper represents the Government's understanding of the employment and unemployment situation in Northern Ireland. Sadly, it reflects the power of slander. For the last 30 years Nationalists have perpetuated the barefaced... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
SPECIAL DEBATE (RULE 10 (5)) The Chairman: I remind Members that the five-minute speeches are to be strictly limited to five minutes, and Members may speak on any subject. May I ask people not to repeat what others have said. Mr Jim Rodgers: I hope... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Cedric Wilson: I would like to take a few minutes to update Members of the Forum on a meeting that Standing Committee A, the one that deals with Public Order matters, had with the Minister, Michael Ancram, on Tuesday of this week. The delegation... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: I want to raise a matter which is a concern to me. I know it is of concern to many people in the East Antrim area and, I am sure, to the majority of people throughout Northern Ireland. The issue I want to raise and ask some questions about... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Robert John White: There are a number of us in the Forum who go back to the 1960s and remember them quite well. In fact, we may well have been adults. The group is small, but there are present quite a few who remember clearly the fuss about "one... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Benson: I want to speak on a very serious subject — the lack of proper funding for education. Despite a rate this year of about 3%, the Government have announced that, once again, they are not going to fund education to the extent of inflation. In... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Neeson: I have been well wound up. Mr Chairman, at the beginning of the debate you expressed the hope that Members had read the document. Having listened to the contributions, I can only conclude that very few have read it at all and that some of... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Speers:] That is not the point, however, that I wanted to make. I want to speak about funding. There has been a lot of comment about Government funding, matching funding and EEC additionality. All of those words have been used in respect of the new... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: What Members have said, of course, will all appear in the Record of Debates. We might discuss how best to make this known to those who have responsibility. [Editor's Note: The Special Debate occurs successfully] Friday January 1997Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The Report was referred to the Forum for consideration on 21 June.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Weir: I want to raise the matter of recent events at the Maze Prison. One of the great ills of society nowadays is that nobody seems to take responsibility for his own actions. This applies particularly to the present Security Minister. No matter... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Hugh Smyth:] I am not going to say very much. I regret that I was unable to get involved in this study to any extent. However, I want to thank my Committee for producing yet another excellent report, which includes some smashing pictures of members... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I want to make some comments about the Maze inquiry and the Narey Report. It is important that we put down a marker. What did the Government's Maze inquiry achieve? Not what we wanted: a clear, concise account of what had happened. Neither... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McKee: I commend the Health Committee for an excellent report and thank the staff for their help. Although I am not a member, I accompanied the Committee to the ambulance stations at Magherafelt and Downpatrick. I want to pay tribute to the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Paragraphs (1), (3), (4) and (5) of Draft Rule 8 agreed to. Friday June 1996Committee: Business Committee
[Editors' Note: The conclusions of the Committee are reported to the Forum.] Friday June 1996Committee: Rules Committee
Rules Committee To Review Draft Rule 2 with Forum Points in Mind Tuesday July 1996Committee: Rules Committee
Rule 11(1)(c): Inclusion of a Reference to Erskine May Tuesday July 1996Committee: The Forum
13. VOTING Amendment made: In paragraph (1), leave out all the words after "opinion" and insert "That such an affirmative decision may reasonably be deemed to command support across the various traditions in Northern Ireland." Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
11.00 am Mr Tom Robinson: First, I want to pay tribute to the Northern Ireland Ambulance Service, which has some of the best and most experienced staff in the United Kingdom. We are justifiably proud of personnel who have served us faithfully during... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gregory Campbell: I understand that we have overcome the problem with regard to the wording. The Chairman: Yes, indeed. Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: Objection to Language Used in the Forum Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Nesbitt: Everyone agrees that the motion before us contains two elements. We wish to express concern about the education structure in Northern Ireland, and we want the Minister to do nothing until he is aware of our views. My views are quite clear.... Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: The right to speak in this assembly is for everyone, and there is no reason why there should be a time-limit. That is what the Business Committee decided. The day is but a pup, and I want to take a considerable time to set forth the... Monday July 1996Committee: The Forum
[Mr Trimble:] This is an important matter which draws attention to a unique facet of the relationship, within the British Isles, between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. All of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom until 1922 and... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: Ruling on 10-Minute Speech Times Monday July 1996Committee: Rules Committee
[Mr Gregory Campbell:] Hence the version that we have before us. [Editors' Note: The Forum came to consensus on G. Campbell's original motion.] Tuesday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms Sagar: The Women's Coalition has no problem with the assertion that people of British descent in the Irish Republic should have British citizenship rights. Indeed, we have proposed measures aimed at allowing people throughout the island of Ireland... Friday March 1998Committee: Rules Committee
[The Chairman:] The Rules Committee, at its last meeting, agreed these words: "The Union Flag may be flown when the Forum is meeting." [...] Ms McWilliams: I have already recorded the view of the Women's Coalition. We never agreed to the addition of... Tuesday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Hunter: It is a matter of considerable regret that since the partition of the island of Ireland, when what is now the Republic left this kingdom, the Ulster/British community in the South has been consistently ignored by the British Government. In a... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
[Rev Dr Ian Paisley:] The Grand Committee of the House of Commons debated the economy yesterday, and how interesting it was that agriculture was hardly mentioned. The Minister, Mr Ingram, was there to answer questions, but there was no input from the... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: It seems that we shall have to take a vote. This, of course, will be seen in the light of what was accepted by the Rules Committee. Whether or not it should be there, it was accepted. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: It was not agreed by the Rules... Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
A Member: May I — The Chairman: Sorry, but the Question has been put. Rev Dr Ian Paisley: Before the vote is taken, it should be made clear to everybody that this provision will have to go, in whatever form, to the Secretary of State. All Rules have... Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
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[Editors' Note: The Forum Record of Debates indicates that the Rules Committee met five times between the 21 and 28 June 1996. The events of this session are conjectural; although we know the subjects that were discussed and a rough overview of debate,... Tuesday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: The Ulster Unionist Party welcomes the fact that this important issue has been brought to the Forum's attention. Dr Paisley has ably and adequately covered theground, and there is no need to go over it again. Our agriculture spokesman... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: Standing Committee D hopes to report on this subject in the very near future. I want to take this opportunity to outline some of the concerns of Committee members. Agenda 2000 has created many worries for Ulster farmers. The hard-pressed... Friday March 1998Committee: Rules Committee
[Editors' Note: The editors have modelled this amendment as dropped because it appears that the Draft Rules circulated to members did not include this amendment, whether by error or lack of consensus is unclear.] Tuesday June 1996Committee: The Forum
Next event is a bug that won't delete. Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Annex I - Parades Committee Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: Most Members will be aware of a document that has been released today. I refer to the information strategy paper detailing the Government's plans to manipulate the minds of the people of Northern Ireland. Clearly the deal has... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Jim Rodgers: Tomorrow is a big day in Irish football, with the morning clash at Windsor Park between Linfield and Glentoran in the Bass Irish Cup semi-final. Members will be aware of what happened a few weeks ago at the same venue. I urge people to... Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editor's Note: Committee now for political affairs, with new membership.] Thursday October 1997Committee: The Forum
2.15 pm Mr Morrow: For some time the Democratic Unionist Party has been saying that the process at Stormont is nothing but a facade and a bluff. The revelations in the information strategy paper go a long way towards substantiating that assertion. We... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: My first topic will no doubt touch the hearts of many Members. It is the tragic, brutal murder of Cyril Stewart in Armagh last Friday evening when he and his wife, Joan, had been out shopping. They normally went out on a Friday afternoon, so... Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editors' Note: McFarland was a member for Standing Committee B (Education Issues) for the UUP. Note also that there is some discrepancy between our records. The The Activities and Achievements of the Forum: A Report by the Forum lists McFarland as a... Thursday September 1996Committee: The Forum
Point of Order: UKUP Out of Order Friday September 1996Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: Mr Hunter, who, unfortunately, has left the Chamber, said that Mr Empey had had this leaked document — the information strategy paper — in his possession since yesterday and that he — Mr Hunter — had alluded to it on last night's... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: I was very interested to learn that Parliament voted this week to ban caning in independent schools. People send their children to independent schools precisely because they are quite happy with the system of discipline. There have been... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Rights of members to attend the Forum be protected Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editors' Note: The events of this session are conjectural; although we know the subjects that were discussed and a rough overview of debate, the editors do not have a record of the meeting. Description text is taken from the Forum meeting on 4 October... Thursday October 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editors' Note: The events of this session are conjectural; although we know the subjects that were discussed and a rough overview of debate, the editors do not have a record of the meeting. Description text is taken from the Forum meeting on 4 October... Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I want to speak about a different issue, but one which is just as important. On 18 March fishermen from Portavogie and Kilkeel were stopped in waters just north-east of Kilkeel by a fishing enforcement vessel from the Irish Republic which... Friday March 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: Mr Chairman, please accept my apologies. I have only just arrived, having been stuck on the Westlink for three quarters of an hour. It is chock-a-block. I found myself wandering around the Falls Road and all sorts of other places because of... Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editors' Note: The events of this session are conjectural; although we know the subjects that were discussed and a rough overview of debate, the editors do not have a record of the meeting. Description text is taken from the Forum meeting on 4 October... Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
[Editors' Note: By resolving the motion, the Forum agrees the changes to the Committees. We are representing this by referring the updated remit and Terms of Reference to each of the Committees.] Friday October 1996Committee: Standing Committee A
[Editors' Note: These changes came into effect when the Forum resolved the motion.] Thursday October 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
Motion On Existing Committees Becoming Standing Committees Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: Members from the west may find it hard to believe that we in the east have roads that need attention. Indeed, some have been in a poor state for 30 years. Our western Colleagues, who have made a very good case, have my wholehearted support,... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Extend sympathy to the family of Trevor Deeney Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: This is an important debate. I have serious doubts that MrCooper and his organization are doing anything for the Protestant people of Northern Ireland, as I have said to his face. People can apply for jobs only if they know about... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I should begin by saying that I do not mind constructive criticism. Indeed, at the beginning of the debate I said that such comment would be welcome. However, only Mr Gibson, who gave me a pile of literature, and Mr Taylor, from whom we... Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
[Editors' Note: These changes came into effect when the Forum resolved the motion.] Thursday October 1996Committee: Standing Committee C
Motion On Existing Committees Becoming Standing Committees Thursday October 1996Committee: Standing Committee C
[Editors' Note: These changes came into effect when the Forum resolved the motion.] Thursday October 1996Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editors' Note: The events of this session are conjectural; although we know the subjects that were discussed and a rough overview of debate, the editors do not have a record of the meeting. Description text is taken from the Forum meeting on 4 October... Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
[Mr Neeson:] It gives me great pleasure to present this report to the Forum. In doing so I want, first, to thank the Committee Clerk, Ms McKibbin. Once again she has worked at great speed, and it is a tribute to her that we are able to present the... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Motion on the Multi-Party Agreement Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee D
Motion On Existing Committees Becoming Standing Committees Thursday October 1996Committee: Standing Committee D
[Editors' Note: These changes came into effect when the Forum resolved the motion.] Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
NEW VERSION STARTS HERE Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
New Version Starts here Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Next few events need to be deleted - but bug Friday November 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
Minutes of Evidence on Education Administration Thursday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Rev William McCrea: I join those who have expressed appreciation of an excellent Committee Clerk. Ms McKibbin deserves congratulations for the manner in which she carried out her duties. I would like also to thank the Chairman and Vice-Chairman for... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
DUP Amendment: Motion on the Multi-Party Agreement Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee B
Minutes of Evidence on Education Administration (19 September 1996) Thursday September 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
Minutes of Evidence on Education Administration (24 September 1996) Tuesday September 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
Minutes of Evidence on Education Administration (25 September 1996) Wednesday September 1996Committee: Standing Committee B
Minutes of Evidence on Education Administration (26 September 1996) Thursday September 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Bolton: I want to make a point about the reform of the common agricultural policy under Agenda 2000. A high percentage of help for agriculture will be put into a national envelope, which the Government do not have to open. The Committee should make... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Main Question, as amended, put and agreed to. Resolved (resolution subsequently negatived in accordance with Rule 13(1)): That this Forum opposes the Castle Buildings Agreement published on 10 April 1998 and repudiates guaranteed places for IRA/Sinn... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
BUgged last event Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Ian Paisley Jnr: I want to reiterate the points made by my Colleague MrShannon about the Narey report. It is amazing that a person of such so-called calibre should be asked to investigate not only the escape of Liam Averill but also how a gun was... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: This week Ards Borough Council and probably every other council in the land received a document about policing in the future. One proposal is that there be a quota system for recruitment. The RUC, including its Reserve, has a membership of... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: I too wish to comment on the current situation. The word "peace" has been completely debased. It is used so often that it has become meaningless. It is when you try to get people to define peace that you see the muddle created in... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
When treachery takes the stage, secrecy is always its garment. The so-called negotiations at Stormont were not a transparent discussion of the future of our beloved province but, rather, an ultimatum by the two Governments to force on us an arrangement... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Lord Alderdice: Dr Paisley is, I understand, taking on the mantle of leader of the silent majority, although silence has never been his stock-in-trade. Dr Paisley did not get his copy of the Agreement from the 'Belfast Telegraph'. He did not read... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr John White: The Agreement concluded on 10 April 1998 has been falsely portrayed as a Unionist sell-out. Attempts to elicit a "No" vote in the referendum are based on a series of half-truths, fabrications and downright lies which play upon the fears... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Speers:] Willow biomass was pioneered and developed in my area — Loughgall. The work of Malcolm Dawson and others has been of tremendous benefit to farmers and, indeed, to the area in general. Previously, little was known about willow biomass as an... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McBride: I was not in the Forum last week — I was at Stormont doing something that Iand many others thought was important — but I have read the Record of Debates. It must have been a sad day for many Members who were here, for they were talking to... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: Last Friday, 10 April, was Good Friday. Some people suggest that it was a very good Friday. No doubt, for those people it was a very good Friday indeed. Some suggest that they achieved what they have been working for 25 years; others proclaim... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr David Campbell:] I do not intend to deal with the second report in any detail. Willow biomass is grown in many Scandinavian and European countries for energy rather than for food. Conditions in Northern Ireland are such that it can be grown... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Thank you very much. Time is short, so I want questions from Forum Members — not speeches. Members should remember that the more they drag their questions out, the fewer questions can be asked. Mr Empey: I want to ask the Minister a... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Junkin: I want to speak briefly about willow biomass as a renewable source of energy. Members may have heard me speaking before about renewable energy and the burning of domestic waste. The research for this report has given me much satisfaction.... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr McCarthy: I represent a mainly rural constituency. This morning we were discussing the Planning Service's strict criteria when it comes to a farmer applying for planning permission to build a dwelling on his land for his family or a farm worker. The... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: On this the final day of the Forum I should like to pay tribute to the Chairman and the Clerk of the Agricultural Committee, who were vital to the Committee's success. This hardest-working and most productive of the Standing Committees was... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I want to congratulate the Committee on these reports. I trust that they will not gather cobwebs and dust in the pigeon-holes of the Department of Agriculture. There is a lot of very valuable information in them, and they will be a... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon, I will be as terminal with you as I have been with MrSpeers. Mr Shannon: I know that, Mr Chairman, as one who does not speak very often. [Laughter] There are two matters that I want to raise: sources of renewable energy other than willow... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: As the Minister is aware, the biggest single depressive factor on agriculture remains the strength of sterling. Those engaged in agriculture are fully aware that the strength of sterling is also affecting other industries, and so a... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
It is just over 100 years since compulsory education became part of life in Northern Ireland. Then it was the boast of the education system that the chalk, the slate, the table-book and the spelling-book were the order of the day. Now we are in the age... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Trevor Kirkland: I would like to endorse the complimentary remarks that have already been made. Having taken part in the compiling of this report and seen bags of taxpayers' money squandered, I have good reason to be angry — £40 million for... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Coulter: May I thank the Minister and his Department for the wonderful job they have done on dualling the A26. We look forward to its being completed and to the bridge that is to be built. However, it has created a problem in that we now have a... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Rev Dr Ian Paisley: I learned at school of Mark Antony's speech at the burial of Caesar. He said that he had come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. The Minister has come to bury us and praise us at the same time. We are grateful for his kind remarks.... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Gibson: 'Shaping Our Future' was written by an urbanite and, accordingly, makes scant mention of rural matters. As a result of this omission, five of the councils in the west of the province felt compelled to come together and present their own... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
12.15 pm Mr Shannon: The Minister is very welcome, and he will be even more welcome after 22May when we have had a resounding "No" vote in the referendum. The Chairman: That is a statement. Please get on with the question. Mr Shannon: It is a... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: My first question is about planning. I agree with controlled development, but the present planning restrictions are constantly causing hostility, hurt and annoyance. Is it the Minister's intention to transfer responsibility for planning... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Hugh Smyth: I would like to welcome Lord Dubs. Maybe now that I am on my feet I should thank him for being so generous to the local councils, particularly Belfast — but that is for another day. The previous Government told us that something like... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
12.30 pm Mr Hussey: Welcome, Minister, to the wake. But perhaps something else will rise, Phoenix-like, out of this. I wish to refer to waste management, and particularly to the use of the landfill tax, which has put a great burden on individuals and... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Poots: I note what the Minister said about the Chancellor's not manipulating the pound. It would be nice if Dr Mowlam and Tom Kelly were to learn not to manipulate things either. On the subject of the Foods Standards Agency, I was very disappointed... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Junkin: The issue of landfill versus incineration with a 90% reduction in landfill, is not, in my opinion, being pursued with enough vigour by district councils and the Department of the Environment. Could the Minister indicate whether or not... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Stoker:] Before commenting on the report itself I want to express my thanks to the other members of Standing Committee A, who were most helpful in every way. A special word of thanks must go to the Clerk, Ms McKibbin. She went out of her way at... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Morrow: Mr Foster and Mr Gibson have already referred to certain sections of the A4. In my opinion, the section that needs to be dealt with first is that between the Moygashel dual carriageway and the Ballygawley roundabout. The traffic divides... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Taking my lead from a distinguished Member of the Forum, Ipromise that I shall be brief. This report describes my feelings on leaving the position of Chairman as being a mixture of sorrow and pride. We can look back over the last 22... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Speers: My first point concerns the supermarkets that are coming into Northern Ireland in large numbers and the problems that that is presenting to the farming industry. The Agriculture Committee, when visiting various agriculture establishments,... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
[Mr Hugh Smyth:] Mr Chairman, I am sure you will be glad to know that I am not going to say very much. I regret that I was unable to get involved in this study to any great extent. However, I want to thank my Committee for producing another excellent... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
11.30 am Question put: That the proposed paragraph 7(a) of draft Rule 2 be agreed to. The Forum divided: Ayes 51; Noes 23. Ayes: Antony Alcock, May Beattie, Robert Bolton, David Brewster, David Browne, Cecil Calvert, David Campbell, Gregory... Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Foster: On behalf of the Ulster Unionist Party I commend the report to the Forum. It contains 13 recommendations, which people should read carefully. Community care and the home-help service are so important to the many people who are in need. The... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
Mr Calvert: It has been a great pleasure to serve on the Forum's Health Committee. Health is something that concerns us all, yet it is sad that the SDLP did not consider it worthwhile contributing to the tremendous work done by the Committee. After... Friday April 1998Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr McFarland kindly has given me the names of Members who would like to speak. I am glad to hear that they will not be repetitive. There is always a danger of people, with the best of motives, getting up and saying "I am sorry, but I am... Friday October 1996Committee: The Forum
Presentation of Vase to the Chairman Friday April 1998Committee: Standing Committee A
Motion On Existing Committees Becoming Standing Committees Thursday October 1996Committee: The Forum
10.45 am Mr Cedric Wilson: I should like to join those who have commended Standing Committee C for the way in which it dealt with this health issue. Perhaps it is wrong to single people out, but I am probably reflecting the views of the Committee in... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr Sam Foster. Please say something new if you can, Mr Foster. Mr Foster: I think it possible that all has been said. However, I would like to highlight some points. This report is an essential document, and its presentation is in the... Friday February 1997Committee: The Forum
SPECIAL DEBATE (RULE 10(5)) The Chairman: Let us get on with the long-delayed five-minute speeches. Mr Eric Smyth: Is it worthwhile making any speeches? The Chairman: Just so long as we have a quorum. Mr Eric Smyth: That is not what I mean. We... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I wish to speak about the proposed firearms legislation resulting from the Cullen Report. The Government chose to ignore the recommendations in that report and brought in their own proposals with regard to the possession and use of... Friday November 1996Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: I call on Mrs Robinson to wind up. Mrs I Robinson: Sorry, Mr Chairman. My Colleague, Mr McAlister — The Chairman: Is Mr McAlister still here? I am so sorry. Mr McAlister: Yes, I am still here, along with my DUP Colleagues and the... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McCarthy: I congratulate the members of Belfast City Council on the opening of the new concert hall. May it be a symbol of peace and harmony to all of us in the whole community — I wish it every success for the future. I would like to seek, if... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr Shannon: I should like to raise the issue of rates revaluation. This is an issue that many of us feel is of such importance, and such magnitude, that it needs to be addressed, and addressed fairly. The proposed changes, or revaluation of the rates... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
Mr McAlister: I want briefly to speak on two issues concerning the young people in our society for whom I, and I know many others here, have great concern. Firstly, I want to back up what my Colleague said about under-age drinking and in particular... Friday January 1997Committee: The Forum
The Chairman: Mr McCartney has been trying to catch my eye for a long time. Mr McCartney: I was beginning to think, Sir, that your middle name is Nelson. I have a healthy regard for the frankness of the SDLP in this matter. They are Irish... Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Alban Maginness: I look forward to the day when this Forum can consider calmly and dispassionately the whole issue of parades and marching. I look forward to a time when we can seriously address the issues that arise. We have a local problem that... Monday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr David Campbell: I seek guidance from the authors of this amended version. As you are aware, Sir, there are prescribed dates on which the flag of our country is to be flown. Is it the intention of the authors of this provision that if the Forum meets... Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Ms McWilliams: May I draw attention to the Northern Ireland (Entry to Negotiations, etc) Act 1996, section 3(1) of which says "The delegates returned in accordance with Schedule 1 shall constitute a forum for the discussion of issues relevant to... Friday July 1996Committee: The Forum
Mr Junkin: I want to speak on a subject which Mr McCarthy has already mentioned— transport. I shall refer in particular to the humble bus — that product of the need for mass transport for people to go to work, to go to schools and colleges, to avail... Friday November 1996